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Hack this critique of the paleo diet

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Created April 13, 2013 at 2:26 PM

http://www.nsca.com/uploadedFiles/NSCA/Inactive_Content/Program_Books/PTC_2013_Program_Book/Aragon.pdf

The Paleo Diet - Claims Versus Evidence

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on April 23, 2013
at 06:10 PM

Carbs gave me diabetes but they never made me feel lethargic, moody and unstable. I reduced them to sane levels to get rid of the diabetes, but I would never give them up. I thrive more on what I do. Food is fuel for living.

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on April 23, 2013
at 06:05 PM

I consider Paleo to be more behavioral than dietary. Aragon gets that right away, and points out that Paleo adherents ignore sedentism as the primary Neolithic disease. It's the meat AND the motion. Paleos who think it's all about wonking your diet need to get their heads out of their neolithic asses.

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on April 22, 2013
at 06:51 PM

If it were just "live and let live"....paleo proponents do tend to see things and black and white, good vs evil. Where does the us vs them attitude come from? Paleos are from mars, vegans are from venus, but they both turn their blasters up to full when they land on earth.

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on April 22, 2013
at 03:51 PM

slide 6 and slide 7 mean that either he doesn't understand paleo -- or I don't...

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on April 13, 2013
at 05:36 PM

dont listen to axial, matt.

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on April 13, 2013
at 05:23 PM

You're right that calling stupid things "retarded" is insulting to retarded people. I'd recommend against it.

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on April 13, 2013
at 05:02 PM

Yeah, seriously. They've been acting so threatened lately...

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on April 13, 2013
at 04:08 PM

the most retarded part is his attempt at making coconut oil look bad because of an extremely high omega 6:3 ratio, but coconut oil doesnt have much PUFA to begin with :/

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on April 13, 2013
at 04:07 PM

Ya, just live and let live. I don't see what all the fuss is about.

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on April 13, 2013
at 03:58 PM

So freakin' retarded... these paleo 'rebuttals.' I'm sorry, I'm insulting retards by calling these rebuttals retarded... Misrepresentation and strawmen, why bother trying to dissect these arguments?

What's funny is how they spend all their time railing against paleo principles, and then end up making recommendations that are largely in line with paleo principles.

He advises at slide #42 to "avoid food avoidance", except for gluten and dairy when intolerance/allergy exists (oh, that's the paleo line!). Or "predominating your intake with Predominating??your??intake??with??a??variety??of??whole??and??minimally??refined??foods." Oops, paleo. "Leaving??a??minority??of??the??diet??open??for??indulgences??of??whatever??you??want." 80/20 rule? Paleo doesn't own that rule, but it utilizes it liberally! Or how about: "Ignoring the rules of fad diets & sticking with foods that fit your personal preference and tolerance." Eating foods you tolerate and like, paleo.

What a tard (that includes you too, cliff)

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on April 13, 2013
at 04:08 PM

the most retarded part is his attempt at making coconut oil look bad because of an extremely high omega 6:3 ratio, but coconut oil doesnt have much PUFA to begin with :/

2e6e673ce3eb647407d260d4d57a731b

(1021)

on April 13, 2013
at 05:36 PM

dont listen to axial, matt.

72cf727474b8bf815fdc505e58cadfea

on April 13, 2013
at 05:23 PM

You're right that calling stupid things "retarded" is insulting to retarded people. I'd recommend against it.

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on April 23, 2013
at 02:29 PM

I stopped reading at the part where he claims grains give good glucose control. Complete b*llocks

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on April 13, 2013
at 03:37 PM

I'm not sure what it is with all of the people with an axe to grind against the Paleo diet. This presentation picks exaggerated, straw-man arguments and then counters them, but doesn't really advocate any other diet plan or health regimen.

"Dairy has an acidic instead of alkaline effect on the body and does not protect bone health".

I've never even heard that claim. The reasons that dairy is not considered Paleo (by some) have nothing to do with pH but instead with certain proteins and sugars found in milk that people have problems digesting or tolerating. Truth is that some people have no problem with dairy (I'm one of them).

"Sugar is toxic, and is responsible for the rise of obesity in recent decades."

Again I've never heard that claim. I do think that refined sugar is bad for you and I don't think anyone seriously believes otherwise. But the presentation spends 3 slides trying to make the point that sugar isn't really that bad for you. Really? That's just stupid. How many healthy populations eat a lot of refined sugars?

"Paleo proponents tend to encourage indiscriminate minimization or avoidance of omega 6 sources in an effort to decrease their proportion in the diet."

Again I've never heard this, nobody encourages "indiscriminate minimization", instead the goal is a better omega 3:6 ratio, and there is very wide evidence that this is better for you. The typical SAD diet has minimal omega 3's and way too much omega 6's so the typical person has a lot of room to improve their ratio by better choice of fats.

???Grains, legumes, and nightshade vegetables like tomato, potato, and eggplant contain lectins which cause ???leaky gut??? and adverse autoimmune responses.???

There is no doubt that nightshades cause some people major problems, just like dairy and grains. It is also true that some people have no problem with them. I avoid nightshades because they taste weird to me and I have trouble digesting them and think that years of eating lots of them destroyed my metabolism. So I'm not going to go back to eating them.

So I dunno this just seems like someone who has to join the chorus against the Paleo diet without understanding the reasons why the diet is a good idea nor providing another alternative.

C2450eb7fa11b37473599caf93b461ef

(3225)

on April 13, 2013
at 05:02 PM

Yeah, seriously. They've been acting so threatened lately...

7a6529ea25b655132fe58d793f95547a

(2030)

on April 13, 2013
at 04:07 PM

Ya, just live and let live. I don't see what all the fuss is about.

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(10611)

on April 22, 2013
at 06:51 PM

If it were just "live and let live"....paleo proponents do tend to see things and black and white, good vs evil. Where does the us vs them attitude come from? Paleos are from mars, vegans are from venus, but they both turn their blasters up to full when they land on earth.

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on April 23, 2013
at 03:33 PM

The problem is they're basing their "evidence" most likely on the research articles that have been fundedby the grain and dairy companies. They manipulate the studies and provide false evidence because they want to sell more product, and if america knew the truth then they would be out of business. It's all about the $$$ when it comes to paleo haters. Plain and simple.

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(10611)

on April 23, 2013
at 06:05 PM

I consider Paleo to be more behavioral than dietary. Aragon gets that right away, and points out that Paleo adherents ignore sedentism as the primary Neolithic disease. It's the meat AND the motion. Paleos who think it's all about wonking your diet need to get their heads out of their neolithic asses.

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(10611)

on April 22, 2013
at 06:54 PM

I thought it was a fair critique. Aragon has several useful takeaways from paleo in his conclusions. That doesn't make him a convert, just a pragmatist.

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on April 13, 2013
at 03:35 PM

Most f it is the usual, talking about recreation of paleo instead of healthiest diet possible, which started as a theory about possible evolutionary affects.

I especially like slide 37, where it says the paleo diet is not surprisingly better than many other diets. :)

Also does the other typical critique of thinking paleo is all meat and nothing else.

I like slide 40- talking about how healthiest regions eat Lots of plants, home grown and cooked food, And says none follow a strictly paleo diet. No region follows a paleo diet in great numbers, dude. Duh.

Conclusions slide - No 1 and 2, sure, who cares

No 3 - different diets have different macronutrients characteristics. It's what makes them diets. Does make me curious to see a macro controlled experiment

No 4 - so nice of him

No 5 - Is it so bad to be obsessed about discovering a diet that promotes great health? Also, I think he means he just doesn't have time to find studies that support paleo, or do the whole30 experiment himself!

His recommendation at the end points me to exactly the paleo diet im following. Thanks bud.

Also, I'm glad I have my freedom. You can go eat your peanut butter chocolate oatmeal bars. I will go chow on my steak.

Kthxbai

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on April 23, 2013
at 05:59 PM

This is why I tend to base what I eat upon how my body feels whilst eating a said food. Carbs make me feel lethargic, moody and unstable whereas a fat protein based diet makes me feel constant calm and grounded. I am not a dietician.or nutritonisti have simply been able to build strong body awareness as to what is good for me through experience. I have been eating this way for three years now and have found the following works for ME: low carbohydrates intake (including fruit) makes me leaner with more energy and vitality. When I eat Carbs my depression quickly returns. I don't need a scientific study to back this up. This is how I feel. Instead of proclaiming that this way or that is right I used this energy to see what is right for me and my family. Much love. Rob strong text don't let anybody tell you how to eat. The information is there now on the table and its up to each person which path they choose to tread. I survived on bad food but I thrive on healthy choices for me.

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on April 23, 2013
at 06:10 PM

Carbs gave me diabetes but they never made me feel lethargic, moody and unstable. I reduced them to sane levels to get rid of the diabetes, but I would never give them up. I thrive more on what I do. Food is fuel for living.

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