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Hack my dark circles

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created May 03, 2012 at 10:30 AM

Hi, if I could trade any past or future benefits of paleo to remove the dark circles under my eyes I would, along with any money I have or talents or possibly friends and family, they make me so depressed I have honestly thought about killing myself over them

Every day I wake up, look in the mirror, see them there dark as hell and it just ruins my day, over and over again. They undermine my confidence and I honestly believe they are the reason I've been alone such a long time and that scares the hell out of me

I hoped that paleo would help but what's scaring me is they seem slightly worse

I have them because the skin under my eyes is stupidly thin (I can literally see where the skin drops off) and my eyes are deep set, I have allergies (which have not been cured by paleo) and I am usually pretty tired (also not cured by paleo) so I pretty much have every box ticked on the dark circles check list

Mostly people say there is nothing you can do put I refuse to believe that (though I'm afraid they're probably right)

Is there any way to thicken skin do you think? Our bodies are adaptive so would pressure on the skin make the body thicken it? I'm too afraid to experiment because it is such a delicate area and if they get much worse I honestly don't know what I'll do

I have begun supplementing CLO hoping maybe to thin the skin so the blood will pass through the vessels and not spill out as I've read that can be a cause

Is there a way to strengthen blood vessels?

I read that exercising the muscles under the eyes would fill out the hollows nd help with the shadowing effect, does this seem plausible? or would it simply push the vessels out and make them more prominent?

Is getting a fat graft under the eyes a bad idea?

I do still have some digestive problems and am possibly fixing a 'leaky gut' at the moment so I do have hope that once that's fixed things might improve? (if I even have that)

I've noticed some benefits on paleo so far (I think my body composition has improved, I feel 'lighter', my depression has definitely improved but still lurking somewhere in the shadows)

Although I've definitely inherited them I'm sure they're being exacerbated by something and this gives me hope for some kind of improvement in the future

So does anyone have any thoughts on the ideas I suggested, or can anyone think of anything out of the box that might help?

I would honestly sell my soul to the devil to remove these dark circles

14e5586c70610bdaef9f29efabaafefe

on December 15, 2013
at 04:52 PM

My entire family has dark circles - not just under the eyes, but full circles all around both eyes. My skin around my eyes is a dark cinnamon color and the rest of my face is pale ivory. 6 days of paleo has helped a little. I don't have any suggestions, just posting to say I can realte.

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on May 17, 2012
at 09:30 PM

I'm not telling people to do drugs because weed and opium is natural. I also did not say to drink wine instead of water just because grapes are natural. Or to drink sugary coffee jus because sugar and coffee are natural. I did not say that. So I'm not quite understanding you.

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on May 17, 2012
at 09:27 PM

If you know of any reasons why that is not true, feel free to state them.

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on May 17, 2012
at 09:26 PM

Yes, I believe that, say, fresh cabbage from rich soil is healthier than an old cabbage from soil barely rich enoug, is healthier. I also think it's healhtier than, say, Cornflakes. Yes, I think farm fresh milk from cows eating grass in a sunny pasture is healthier than milk from sick cows from a factory who eat grain and never see the sun.

93b5fc3a75c76817eed3f43831471cec

(140)

on May 15, 2012
at 07:12 AM

Just to add to the concealer debate, a good tip is less is more. IE, if you try to totally obliterate the dark circles, acne blemish, whatever, under a thick plastic layer then it WILL be obvious. If you use less, it will be less so. You might still have dark circles, they just won't be as dark. Yay, makeup tips on paleohacks.

7636e1e02ef91a46f20a42e07b565a4b

(367)

on May 15, 2012
at 06:43 AM

sorry - last but not least, dark circles, I mean. After reading your post I realized that while dark circles are your focus, you're missing the elephant in the room - your depression and suicidal thinking. Get rid of foods that cause histamine release and/or contain histamine because histamine is linked to anxiety and depression, and it's likely causing your dark circles, too.

7636e1e02ef91a46f20a42e07b565a4b

(367)

on May 15, 2012
at 06:39 AM

but not least - well, yes, least of all, because wellbeing should be your absolute top priority - look into diet. If your eyes are itching, too, you have high histamine levels so high histamine foods will worsen things. Try a very basic diet without allergens and possibly without dairy, gluten, eggs, nuts, salicylates, phenols, etc. Beyond a doubt feeling good makes life worth living and while dark circles suck (I have them and I know exactly where they come from - food) feeling good and comfortable in your skin - deep down - is what matters.

7636e1e02ef91a46f20a42e07b565a4b

(367)

on May 15, 2012
at 06:36 AM

Supposedly caffeine applied to the area should help; caffeine causes vasoconstriction. Caffeine internally might help as well owing to TRP channel antagonism. I would very strongly urge you to look into dietary possibilities. Research basic elimination diets, particularly low-histamine. Try ditching dairy, eggs, gluten and other common allergens. Histamine from allergies/sensitivities causes vasodilation = widened blood vessels/increased blood flow = dark circles. Allergies and sensitivities = depression and anxiety = suicidal and self-harm tendencies. For your wellbeing, safety, and last

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on May 15, 2012
at 04:31 AM

Well I *know* this is not an answer to your question, but I think it might add to the conversation anyway, so here it is as a comment: I think darkness under the eyes actually looks kind of cool. I have never thought of it as a shortcoming in someone's face, and I'm not just saying that. It adds character, just like asymmetries do.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on May 07, 2012
at 10:28 AM

You're comparing your farm diet with a diet that isn't specific. This is a classic case of thinking that *"natural is better"*, while that isn't necessarily true. I mean, why do you just assume veggies are healthier than, I don't know, sugar? I don't mean to offend you, I'm just not a big fan of the idea that, the longer you fucked up, the longer you gotta work on your health... *"fresh vegetables (picked 5 minutes ago, grown in rich soil)"* : so just because they are fresh and are straight from nature they **have** to be healthy, right? You seem to completely ignore context.

089881b3dc26f1d4ce66043302169701

(55)

on May 07, 2012
at 10:20 AM

@GurlzLuvSteak & @HuntingBears - if Restylane is how you wanna go, it is a trade name for hyalauronic acid, a super effective humectant that they use in burn units. You don't need the expensive injection if you are willing to use a topical application (100% safe) instead: http://www.makeupartistschoice.com/products/Hyaluronic_Acid_Serum-58-0.html

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on May 05, 2012
at 10:35 PM

I thought it was pretty well understood in the Paleo community that the reason people are so sick nowadays is because we eat SAD. So if one grew up pretty much Paleo, they should be much healthier (like my family). Really, I'm laughing so much, how can eating nutrient dense farm fresh food not be healthier for you than nutrient poor SAD foods? Have you never seen a parent give cheerios to a toddler Every. Single. Day. Really. I'm just... wow.

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on May 05, 2012
at 10:30 PM

*"I just don't understand why you assume your eating on a farm is necessarily better than the SAD"* If you don't understand how eating fresh vegetables (picked 5 minutes ago, grown in rich soil), eating eggs that have very dark orange yolks instead of pale yellow, butter that is deep yellow instead of white, meat and fat from animals that ate their natural diets and spend time outside.... as opposed to SAD... then there's nothing I can tell you that would make you believe otherwise.

00c8eb3f6e6a1884216044ca29cf868a

on May 04, 2012
at 07:25 PM

To add to what Lisa said: it might take a long time. My eyes look better and younger than they used to...but I couldn't tell you when it happened, which means it was likely a long, slow process. I've said it many times and I'll say it again: your body didn't get screwed up in a month, don't expect it to completely fix itself in a month.

E3575e92da86cbf4d7803d3aa09f962a

(35)

on May 04, 2012
at 07:10 PM

(...cont.) It won't be easy at first, but if you stick with it and practice and 'fake it 'til you make it,' you might start noticing those differences you want in your life anyway. If you wait for everything to be 'perfect' before you act on what you want, then you'll be waiting forever. I know - easier said than done, but it's just my two cents.

E3575e92da86cbf4d7803d3aa09f962a

(35)

on May 04, 2012
at 07:10 PM

@HuntingBears - I know this is cheesy and I'm not a therapist, but when you said this, "I would even go as far as thinking my life would be totally different if I didnt have them," it got me thinking. How would your life be different? How much is it that your life would be different, and how much is it that YOU would behave differently? If it's the latter, I would say start behaving that way now anyway (I have a feeling we're mostly talking about confidence). (To be continued in next comment...)

E3575e92da86cbf4d7803d3aa09f962a

(35)

on May 04, 2012
at 07:10 PM

@IfYouSaySo - True, but every guy wearing it on TV would ridiculous if they walked off set and into your living room with that make-up on. You can even tell they're wearing it if you have HD, so I'm not convinced it would be unnoticeable in real life.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on May 04, 2012
at 10:13 AM

I have been wearing it for 14 years now and people are often surprised to find i wear it. a good makeup artist can tell you how to apply it properly. But honestly i don't think dark circles are that big of a deal. I've met boyfriends while not westering makeup and I've dated men who also had them. Dating isn't just for people who look like supermodels.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on May 04, 2012
at 08:46 AM

I just don't understand why you assume your eating on a farm is necessarily better than the SAD. The notion that *natural is better* is pretty flawed. Generalizing anecdotes is not a good practice. You can prove something wrong with your anecdotes, you cannot prove something right. Now take the girl with that blog who started supplementing thyroid hormone and solved all her health issues in a couple of days-weeks. How do you explain that?

99aca1e07394135ea1e040582ce54b4d

(334)

on May 04, 2012
at 07:45 AM

Concealer doesn't really cover dark circles (unless they're very light). In my opinion it is more likely to highlight them.

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on May 04, 2012
at 12:21 AM

I have no problem wearing concealer the problem is its counterproductive as i think people can see it so my confidence dips even further

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on May 04, 2012
at 12:20 AM

I do wear concealer sometimes when i go on a night out but for general day to day i think it is obvious no matter how well applied. I totally agree with the genie comment, I think a similar thing about 5 times a day! I would even go as far as thinking my life would be totally different if I didnt have them :(

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on May 03, 2012
at 10:42 PM

Why wouldn't it. If food a mother eats before and while she is pregnant can make her child healthier or sicker, then I think the 16 years I ate super fresh farm food would have made me more resilient than someone who ate SAD their whole life. It did, actually, I never get sick, even when I was little. When I started eating SAD and got sick for 5+ years, a month of Paleo cured everything, like a miracle. Someone who had eaten shit their whole life probably wouldn't recover as well as I did. I would be in much worse shape if I had eaten SAD all my life.

Ecb90bbbd5a15868b2592d517a4a5e82

(280)

on May 03, 2012
at 10:11 PM

Men absolutely can get away with it, DJ. If the concealer is noticeable, you just need more practice applying it. Every guy on TV is wearing it, for heaven's sake, as does every movie star everytime they step outta the door into the horde or paparazzi. Find your inner George Clooney, as Mark Sisson likes to say.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on May 03, 2012
at 06:34 PM

I don't believe the amount of time you ate bad makes a difference, IMO.

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on May 03, 2012
at 04:58 PM

I'm 24 and have been SAD only in the last 5-6 years of my life, that's a big difference from 26 SAD years. ^^ Well, your mom and brother have them, I assume you grew up eating the same food?

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on May 03, 2012
at 04:43 PM

When I was a kid and when I was fat I didn't have the dark circles either. Calcium reduced them a lot, when I donated blood they came back for a while :D. And then I got a mail of the donation center saying I have low hemoglobin. Since then I started doing Peats diet and I'm not cold anymore, never, unless I drink a lot without salt.

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on May 03, 2012
at 04:42 PM

i have fairly dark skin so possibly have Mediterranean blood as well, i have heard they are prone to circles, I might be willing to get the laser treatment if i knew it worked but its such a risk because its such a delicate area

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on May 03, 2012
at 04:41 PM

@Melissa- that's so cool of you! Danny Roddy's diet is not really focused on hair loss, IMO. @Twinkletoes, probably works because of antihistaminic properties of vitamin C. I noticed a worsening of my stress symptoms (especially allergic reactions) when I stopped my C supplement completely. Now I have way less histamine-related issues while drinking absolute tons of milk and OJ (3 quarts of each each day). My mood is so much better, my energy too, my sleep is finally solved, ... and no downsides yet. @HuntingBears, if you supplement calcium do it with egg shells, its the best option.

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on May 03, 2012
at 04:40 PM

problem is im male so can't really where concealer because its too obvious, I looked at a picture of when i was 18 and you can sort of see them but they have definately gotten much worse, pictures of me as a kid i have very bright eyes, no darkness at all. my mum and brother have them too though, I definitely have allergies as my eyes often itch and i do have some digestive problems, i have heard about the vitamin c thing before but is it a good idea to suppliment vit c? i try to eat vit c foods like broccoli and kiwi, would be willing to suppliment if it would help though

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on May 03, 2012
at 04:36 PM

I will have a look into the GAPS diet as well, thanks

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on May 03, 2012
at 04:36 PM

Well I'm only 26 so haven't been SAD too long i guess, I'm taking l-glutamine, yakult, cut out fruit, relaxing more. I'm predisposed to dark circles as my mum and brother have them, but they have definately become more pronounced over the last 10 years, they just slowly crept up on me until i looked in the mirror one day and realised how dark they were, very depressing i can tell you. I have to say that I've not given this lifestyle a fair shout yet but i really cant see myself going back, i'll probably eat this way my whole life so maybe after a year or so things will have improved

81fca18329e68e227cdfef3857bfef96

(1320)

on May 03, 2012
at 04:10 PM

This runs in my family as well. My father had the laser surgery hinted at to mitigate the issue. Apparently we have poor genes and the capillaries around our eyes tend to 'leak' causing the darkness under our eyes. The laser surgery's intent is to cauterize the capillaries to prevent the 'leaking.' My father was pleased with the results. I honestly did not notice that much difference.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on May 03, 2012
at 02:58 PM

Could you please answer my question - did you ALWAYS have them or you have just developed them some years ago? Thanks!

Ddfdaa75ac9f47e01fc71162dd0d38dc

on May 03, 2012
at 02:09 PM

Usual treatment for this nowadays is Restalayne under the eyes, less risky than surgery. But if dark circles cause thoughts of suicide, you need body image counseling. And a really good concealer, like MUFE's full cover, Jane Iredale's Circle Delete, Cover FX, or even an airbrush. If the cause is poor sleep, get that treated too.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on May 03, 2012
at 12:59 PM

I would take a look at Danny Roddys blog since he developed a program basses on peat. It's meant to pervent hair loss but i will try it for this. I had a family member who did plastic surgery and honestly it didn't work so well, certainly not as well as concealer.

0905a0f8cd1e48f6d39fe625a65b6ef1

(2890)

on May 03, 2012
at 12:20 PM

I have them, too, as did my father. The weird thing is that when I supplement with super high amounts of Vit C, they go away completely. But the amount has to be so high that it gives me serious gastric distress. Weird, I know. But I felt I should say something!

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on May 03, 2012
at 11:56 AM

Thanks for the responses. Would you recommend supplementing calcium? Why do you say CLO will make it worse? What is the premiss of the ray peat diet? Can't seem to find it! Have you thought a fat graft under the eyes? cheers

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on May 03, 2012
at 11:27 AM

The annoying thing is that mine mainly got better when i was fat which makes me think it's my underlying facial structure that is an issue. Cosmetic oral surgeon told me that correcting my jaw deformity would help.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on May 03, 2012
at 11:25 AM

I've had them on every diet I've been on from raw vegan to keto. Never seen any convincing before and afters from diet. But I'm planning one last ditch Peat experiment.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on May 03, 2012
at 10:49 AM

Reducing histamine with calcium, salt, ... is of the utmost importance.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on May 03, 2012
at 10:48 AM

CLO will only make it worse. You can do something about this, absolutely, and that's reduce stress as well as possible. I can't believe I recommend Ray Peat again, but here I go : bright light, calcium, elimination of PUFA and anti-thyroid nutrients (eg. tryptophan), gelatin, ... go a long way in reducing the circles. Most of the time, its a sign of food allergies, but I believe food allergies are not cured by elimination but by addition of pro-thyroid elements (eg. thyroid hormone itself, a tight diet, ...).

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089881b3dc26f1d4ce66043302169701

on May 07, 2012
at 10:09 AM

Yeah, I definitely agree with the people who say you're probably still handling some issues with your digestion. For me, I had little to no improvement, and then something happened and it was like literally overnight my skin cleared up, and dark circles (which people ask about my black eyes) started improving.

There is a phenom cosmetics company that helps people figure out solutions to various aesthetic things. It's called Makeup Artist's Choice http://www.makeupartistschoice.com/ , and I've been a customer for about 2 years. I have only ever gotten extremely professional and honest advice from them, so I recommend that you shoot them an e-mail. They specialize in cosmetic improvements (esp. due to trauma) which is exactly what you need to improve your image while still working on whatever is happening inside you.

What they are best known for, and what I use to fade acne scars, are their acid peels. Normally you need to go to a dermatologist for them and they cost upwards of $500 per treatment, and most people need more than one treatment. Doing it at home sounds scary, but it's way cheaper ($40 for a bottle I've had for 2 years, 6 treatments) and you only run a risk if you don't do it carefully and don't ease into it. I think the TCA 8% peel can actually be used around your eye, but you need to start with very gentle acids and gradually work your way up. They'll advise a regimen for you if you ask. http://www.makeupartistschoice.com/catalog/TCA_Peels-22-1.html

I use this eye cream too, at night, which has vitamin K to help w/ strengthening blood vessels and calming bruising. (Also great for actual bruises!). It's not perfectly clean chemically, but I trust this company 100% based on past experiences and don't use any other products daily so I feel all right about putting it on my skin. http://www.makeupartistschoice.com/products/Vitamin_K_Cream_Dark_Under_Eye_Circles-509-6.html

Aaaand. You can use a caffeine roller (a serum you roll on using a fat pen-shaped applicator with a ballpoint tip), I think Garnier makes one you can get at the drugstore, and that might help. I've never tried it myself because I try to minimize products/chemicals.

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19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on May 03, 2012
at 04:05 PM

I do still have some digestive problems and am possibly fixing a 'leaky gut' at the moment so I do have hope that once that's fixed things might improve? (if I even have that)

Yeah, if you still have digestive problems you probably have leaky gut. Paleo isn't always enough to heal all the damage people caused over the years. Are are you doing to fix leaky gut?

Have you always had dark circles?
Dark circles can be a symptom of food intolerances too.

Maybe do a Gaps diet to heal it? http://www.gapsdiet.com/INTRODUCTION_DIET.html My food intolerances went completely away after doing that, but I grew up eating farm fresh foods and only had 5-6 years of SAD damage. Maybe you can't fully recover if you've been eating SAD your whole life... But try Gaps diet anyway.

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on May 03, 2012
at 04:36 PM

I will have a look into the GAPS diet as well, thanks

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on May 03, 2012
at 04:58 PM

I'm 24 and have been SAD only in the last 5-6 years of my life, that's a big difference from 26 SAD years. ^^ Well, your mom and brother have them, I assume you grew up eating the same food?

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on May 03, 2012
at 06:34 PM

I don't believe the amount of time you ate bad makes a difference, IMO.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on May 04, 2012
at 08:46 AM

I just don't understand why you assume your eating on a farm is necessarily better than the SAD. The notion that *natural is better* is pretty flawed. Generalizing anecdotes is not a good practice. You can prove something wrong with your anecdotes, you cannot prove something right. Now take the girl with that blog who started supplementing thyroid hormone and solved all her health issues in a couple of days-weeks. How do you explain that?

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on May 03, 2012
at 10:42 PM

Why wouldn't it. If food a mother eats before and while she is pregnant can make her child healthier or sicker, then I think the 16 years I ate super fresh farm food would have made me more resilient than someone who ate SAD their whole life. It did, actually, I never get sick, even when I was little. When I started eating SAD and got sick for 5+ years, a month of Paleo cured everything, like a miracle. Someone who had eaten shit their whole life probably wouldn't recover as well as I did. I would be in much worse shape if I had eaten SAD all my life.

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on May 03, 2012
at 04:36 PM

Well I'm only 26 so haven't been SAD too long i guess, I'm taking l-glutamine, yakult, cut out fruit, relaxing more. I'm predisposed to dark circles as my mum and brother have them, but they have definately become more pronounced over the last 10 years, they just slowly crept up on me until i looked in the mirror one day and realised how dark they were, very depressing i can tell you. I have to say that I've not given this lifestyle a fair shout yet but i really cant see myself going back, i'll probably eat this way my whole life so maybe after a year or so things will have improved

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on May 05, 2012
at 10:35 PM

I thought it was pretty well understood in the Paleo community that the reason people are so sick nowadays is because we eat SAD. So if one grew up pretty much Paleo, they should be much healthier (like my family). Really, I'm laughing so much, how can eating nutrient dense farm fresh food not be healthier for you than nutrient poor SAD foods? Have you never seen a parent give cheerios to a toddler Every. Single. Day. Really. I'm just... wow.

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on May 05, 2012
at 10:30 PM

*"I just don't understand why you assume your eating on a farm is necessarily better than the SAD"* If you don't understand how eating fresh vegetables (picked 5 minutes ago, grown in rich soil), eating eggs that have very dark orange yolks instead of pale yellow, butter that is deep yellow instead of white, meat and fat from animals that ate their natural diets and spend time outside.... as opposed to SAD... then there's nothing I can tell you that would make you believe otherwise.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on May 07, 2012
at 10:28 AM

You're comparing your farm diet with a diet that isn't specific. This is a classic case of thinking that *"natural is better"*, while that isn't necessarily true. I mean, why do you just assume veggies are healthier than, I don't know, sugar? I don't mean to offend you, I'm just not a big fan of the idea that, the longer you fucked up, the longer you gotta work on your health... *"fresh vegetables (picked 5 minutes ago, grown in rich soil)"* : so just because they are fresh and are straight from nature they **have** to be healthy, right? You seem to completely ignore context.

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on May 17, 2012
at 09:30 PM

I'm not telling people to do drugs because weed and opium is natural. I also did not say to drink wine instead of water just because grapes are natural. Or to drink sugary coffee jus because sugar and coffee are natural. I did not say that. So I'm not quite understanding you.

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on May 17, 2012
at 09:26 PM

Yes, I believe that, say, fresh cabbage from rich soil is healthier than an old cabbage from soil barely rich enoug, is healthier. I also think it's healhtier than, say, Cornflakes. Yes, I think farm fresh milk from cows eating grass in a sunny pasture is healthier than milk from sick cows from a factory who eat grain and never see the sun.

19acef0aed67ef8dc1118d8e74edb349

(2954)

on May 17, 2012
at 09:27 PM

If you know of any reasons why that is not true, feel free to state them.

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Fc64db6a555559762432d503a1dbad19

(1478)

on May 03, 2012
at 03:07 PM

I dont know if this answers your question, but I have had dark circles my whole life and paleo got rid of them for me. I have no idea why. I can only assume that I was allergic to something I am no longer eating. You said you have allergies have you tried to eat local raw honey to combat some of the allergies? There may be something you are eating that you are allergic to that may be still paleo. I would get a full panel allergy test, so you know what is causing the allergies.

00c8eb3f6e6a1884216044ca29cf868a

on May 04, 2012
at 07:25 PM

To add to what Lisa said: it might take a long time. My eyes look better and younger than they used to...but I couldn't tell you when it happened, which means it was likely a long, slow process. I've said it many times and I'll say it again: your body didn't get screwed up in a month, don't expect it to completely fix itself in a month.

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Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on May 03, 2012
at 02:04 PM

I have genetic ones (Mediterranean blood) and no amount of dietary tweaking has shifted them completely.

Apparently there is laser treatment now for dark circles. Perhaps worth investigating?

In the meantime, probably worth it to get a consult with a makeup artist & get some concealer & learn how to use it.

81fca18329e68e227cdfef3857bfef96

(1320)

on May 03, 2012
at 04:10 PM

This runs in my family as well. My father had the laser surgery hinted at to mitigate the issue. Apparently we have poor genes and the capillaries around our eyes tend to 'leak' causing the darkness under our eyes. The laser surgery's intent is to cauterize the capillaries to prevent the 'leaking.' My father was pleased with the results. I honestly did not notice that much difference.

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on May 03, 2012
at 04:42 PM

i have fairly dark skin so possibly have Mediterranean blood as well, i have heard they are prone to circles, I might be willing to get the laser treatment if i knew it worked but its such a risk because its such a delicate area

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34503e0d0acbea7cfc44d180454571f4

on May 15, 2012
at 05:46 AM

I just wanted to let you know that it IS possible to get rid of dark circles. I did. The bad news is that I don't know what made them go away.

I have always had dark circles under my eyes. If I wore makeup, concealer was the first thing I put on. As I reached my late 40s, I'd look into the mirror and see just the dark circles looking back at me. I was turning into a raccoon.

When I cleaned up my diet, it cleared up tremendously. I almost never bother with concealer anymore, or makeup in general. Don't feel I need it like before.

Rather than looking for a specific cure for this problem, I'd say, keep tweaking the diet and concentrate on healing in general. You may hit upon the right answer.

Best of luck

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A35054c4279bcf6a236d8dbbd1cbe490

on May 15, 2012
at 04:37 AM

HuntingBears, here you go.

Stop caffeine consumption, 100%.
Get 8 hrs of sleep each night between 10pm and 6am. Whether it is considered paleo or not, you need to start taking a greens supplement IMMEDIATELY. My favorite is from Dr. Shulze. 64 oz of water per day 1hr excercise per day Only organic meats and vegetables and eat as much vegetable based fiber as possible.

And lastly, a good refrigerated probiotic to repopulate your digestive tract and fight leaky gut.

Some of this may not be paleo advice, but it is what worked for me.

The hollowness can be addressed by Juvaderm injections. I work in front of the camera in a sleep-deprived, caffeine on demand type environment and have seen colleagues do well with diet/supplement based approach and by injections...but to only do injections isn't getting to the true cause.

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D95fc428af83cdb84706dd85588a7724

on May 04, 2012
at 12:39 PM

I thought that these dark circles were called "allergic shiners". Mine lessened but did not totally disappear when I started to identify allergens.

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99aca1e07394135ea1e040582ce54b4d

on May 04, 2012
at 07:44 AM

I have terrible dark circles which are caused by chronic sinus inflammation - when the inflammation is at its worst, the shadows become very deep. Unfortunately paleo hasn't cured this for me.

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Ba20b502cf02b5513ea8c4bb2740d8cb

on May 03, 2012
at 10:23 PM

I have the same problem...

are you getting 8 hours of sleep? (probably a stupid question, I'm sure that's the first thing you took care of)

how much caffeine are you consuming?

are you staying hydrated?

As far as concealer is concerned, hey if you're secure enough in your masculinity to put a touch of makeup on to conceal those dark circles then why not?

99aca1e07394135ea1e040582ce54b4d

(334)

on May 04, 2012
at 07:45 AM

Concealer doesn't really cover dark circles (unless they're very light). In my opinion it is more likely to highlight them.

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on May 04, 2012
at 12:21 AM

I have no problem wearing concealer the problem is its counterproductive as i think people can see it so my confidence dips even further

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on May 04, 2012
at 10:13 AM

I have been wearing it for 14 years now and people are often surprised to find i wear it. a good makeup artist can tell you how to apply it properly. But honestly i don't think dark circles are that big of a deal. I've met boyfriends while not westering makeup and I've dated men who also had them. Dating isn't just for people who look like supermodels.

93b5fc3a75c76817eed3f43831471cec

(140)

on May 15, 2012
at 07:12 AM

Just to add to the concealer debate, a good tip is less is more. IE, if you try to totally obliterate the dark circles, acne blemish, whatever, under a thick plastic layer then it WILL be obvious. If you use less, it will be less so. You might still have dark circles, they just won't be as dark. Yay, makeup tips on paleohacks.

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E3575e92da86cbf4d7803d3aa09f962a

on May 03, 2012
at 09:43 PM

I'm not sure I can help, but I can totally relate. I also have huge dark circles under my eyes. The skin is so thin that you can see the veins underneath. It's awful and I've always hated this about my face. I can't even count how many times someone has asked me how I got two black eyes. I wish I could use concealer, but as you've pointed out, men just can't get away with it. I regularly think about how, if a genie granted me 3 wishes, the first thing I'd do is fix the skin around my eyes.

I know this doesn't help, but I just wanted you to know there are others like you out there.

E3575e92da86cbf4d7803d3aa09f962a

(35)

on May 04, 2012
at 07:10 PM

@IfYouSaySo - True, but every guy wearing it on TV would ridiculous if they walked off set and into your living room with that make-up on. You can even tell they're wearing it if you have HD, so I'm not convinced it would be unnoticeable in real life.

E3575e92da86cbf4d7803d3aa09f962a

(35)

on May 04, 2012
at 07:10 PM

(...cont.) It won't be easy at first, but if you stick with it and practice and 'fake it 'til you make it,' you might start noticing those differences you want in your life anyway. If you wait for everything to be 'perfect' before you act on what you want, then you'll be waiting forever. I know - easier said than done, but it's just my two cents.

7cf9f5b08a41ecf2a2d2bc0b31ea6fa0

(4176)

on May 04, 2012
at 12:20 AM

I do wear concealer sometimes when i go on a night out but for general day to day i think it is obvious no matter how well applied. I totally agree with the genie comment, I think a similar thing about 5 times a day! I would even go as far as thinking my life would be totally different if I didnt have them :(

E3575e92da86cbf4d7803d3aa09f962a

(35)

on May 04, 2012
at 07:10 PM

@HuntingBears - I know this is cheesy and I'm not a therapist, but when you said this, "I would even go as far as thinking my life would be totally different if I didnt have them," it got me thinking. How would your life be different? How much is it that your life would be different, and how much is it that YOU would behave differently? If it's the latter, I would say start behaving that way now anyway (I have a feeling we're mostly talking about confidence). (To be continued in next comment...)

Ecb90bbbd5a15868b2592d517a4a5e82

(280)

on May 03, 2012
at 10:11 PM

Men absolutely can get away with it, DJ. If the concealer is noticeable, you just need more practice applying it. Every guy on TV is wearing it, for heaven's sake, as does every movie star everytime they step outta the door into the horde or paparazzi. Find your inner George Clooney, as Mark Sisson likes to say.

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9225c8e3ea353a2c604cacd62506047d

on May 03, 2012
at 11:43 AM

Ever thought about low sulphate (sulfate) levels? http://questioning-answers.blogspot.co.uk/2011/04/jaundice-bilirubin-and-autism.html (no advice intended)

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618fc5298c4a96b817c4918c795a875f

(1217)

on May 04, 2013
at 02:59 PM

Deal with your stress. Get exercise in the sun and fresh air. Get good sleep. Continue on your path of eating for health and vitality. The histamine connection others have mentioned is good to look into. BUT...

Your issue is not with your under eye circles - you are fixating on them. Under eye circles are not the reason your life isn't what you want it to be. If you want a better job, a better social life - whatever it is - deal with that directly and don't blame a part of your body. Self confidence doesn't magically happen when everything about our body is perfect, self confidence comes from accomplishment and knowing you are a capable person. If you can move your attention from fixation on externals to doing something you find satisfying and important, your stress will lessen and the circles under your eyes will not seem so devastating.

Also, limiting eye strain by limiting the time spent staring at a computer screen may help. Go out and connect with your friends in real life, laugh, try and have fun!

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F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on May 15, 2012
at 03:49 AM

I have never had dark circles under eyes but then something happened about four years ago and I got them in one week and I could not get rid of them for over four years! I still have them, but they are lighter!

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B23318c968ac589b87131d5b489d6e16

(1294)

on May 04, 2012
at 04:19 PM

Google "allergic shiners" and see if they look like what you have. They are caused by food allergies, but also environmental allergies. Breathing in pollen, dust, mold, cat hair, etc creates an inflammatory response in the sinuses. Is it possible you have pets that you love but you are allergic to?

Def look into the gaps diet. And herbs for allergies like nettles. Also try acupuncture!

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99c4d2a5ff6686132c6f403a3b8e9a80

on May 04, 2013
at 06:59 AM

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