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frying food? cave men didnt fry....

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created April 12, 2012 at 7:37 AM

Hi, I'm very new to paleo. My question is about the need to fry everything...cavemen didn't fry things. All this talk about frying reminds me of the Atkins diet...that has been pretty much blown Out of the water as really unhealthy...or am I wrong and its the " conventional diet people claiming its unhealthy" Really need some clarification, otherwise I'm 80% there to going paleo...I'm coming from the Robb Wolf point of view...

Cheers

Steve McGee

276a5e631b62f8e0793987c0496364bb

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on April 17, 2012
at 07:13 PM

It's hard to interpret intent through nothing more than text. i.e., "Can't tell if joking or asshole..."

06cf0b860450445b9d399fcc1b2a053a

on April 16, 2012
at 02:40 AM

Paleo doesn't mean low-carb, but a lot of people trying to get lean opt to go low-carb, so I think it's relevant.

D45e43b08cd99a04f5d4294a871e1078

(1010)

on April 14, 2012
at 08:07 PM

^Oh, and I only live 2 hours from you

D45e43b08cd99a04f5d4294a871e1078

(1010)

on April 14, 2012
at 08:06 PM

^delicious? Don't we eat to live, not live to eat? Anyway, since your studying diet, what points do you find most important about diet, I'm very curious?

Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

(5198)

on April 13, 2012
at 10:03 PM

You could heat big rocks too. What's our proposed alternative? Is roasting everything really all that different if you're using it's own fat to fry it?

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on April 13, 2012
at 08:03 PM

Another person who believes in magic! Really, too slow to escape the mental hindering of society? Excuse me while I go slurp my raw oysters and grill my deliciously cooked steak.

A3bb2c70384b0664a933b45739bac32c

(951)

on April 13, 2012
at 07:36 PM

It's called having a little fun. Isn't that also part of the Paleo lifestyle?

D45e43b08cd99a04f5d4294a871e1078

(1010)

on April 13, 2012
at 06:41 AM

^Well if she's an archaeologist then she would trust studies rather than her own sense. prove me wrong, try eating raw meat for a week and see if you are still angry. I've been doing it for three months and numerous health benefits have been achieved.

C513f1dba19e01bbd7e0f4f12b243a97

(670)

on April 12, 2012
at 09:54 PM

I have no clue. I imagine that any meat cooked over an open flame is essentially fried, even if fats are not added. If our ancestors were as clever as we are, just without collective intelligence, I think they would have utilised fats for cooking and even fried other things in fat. Pure speculation though!

D12142c8cafb16d9af10b3362cb8fb62

(1590)

on April 12, 2012
at 09:12 PM

There is a lot of bullshit on paleohacks. Not sure if this comes close to a lot of it though.

276a5e631b62f8e0793987c0496364bb

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on April 12, 2012
at 07:26 PM

How the hell did this get so many upvotes? This is exactly the kind of unconstructive, uninviting bullshit that shouldn't be on here.

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on April 12, 2012
at 06:12 PM

^^That must be what I was thinking of.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on April 12, 2012
at 04:24 PM

I don't eat Atkins and never did. However, I'm not aware of any research that suggests stir-fried meat and vegetables are substantially less healthy than steamed. If you like your food with no color and bland feel free to steam.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 12, 2012
at 04:22 PM

My wife is an Archaeologist. Would you like to ask her how untrue this is or should she just give you and "F" on your report?

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on April 12, 2012
at 02:17 PM

No, they used woods. However, he *did* eat boar anus, and parts of the mouth and intestine still full of partially digested food (IIRC), which yeah, he wasn't fond of.

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on April 12, 2012
at 02:14 PM

If I remember correctly, he also thought the food tasted like shit because they used dung for fire fuel.

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on April 12, 2012
at 02:13 PM

I'm a fan of pecan meal for the occasional breading.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on April 12, 2012
at 02:13 PM

There is some historical and modern-tribe use of just frying on the ground (see my comment on this thread). No pans needed! Just lots of yummy dirt.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on April 12, 2012
at 02:11 PM

Good question (even voted it up) for people who may be new to cooking. I just wanted to reiterate: you don't have to bread or batter anything to pan fry (heck, or even deep fry). Also, it's not about "minimizing carbs" it's about "removing grain products" when it comes to things like breading or batter.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on April 12, 2012
at 02:09 PM

Fire was used for cooking as early as 1 million years ago, a recent research study found ( http://news.discovery.com/human/human-ancestor-fire-120402.html ). I think the old estimate was 400,000 years ago. This is unarguably in the paleolithic.

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on April 12, 2012
at 02:03 PM

Ed, if you limited yourself to Paleo cooking methods, you'd probably get bored with your food very quickly. I only ever pan-fry, NEVER deep fry. And if I feel like frying up some chicken livers I will dredge them in egg and seasoned pecan meal (instead of breading) and fry them in some butter on medium-low heat.

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on April 12, 2012
at 02:02 PM

What the heck???

36ba71ea8bc4f736f4113433fde572bd

(347)

on April 12, 2012
at 12:23 PM

Why not consider paleo food preparation techniques? Do you think that food prep method is unimportant relative to ingredient selection? I personally think there's a big question mark there and it may be unwise to dismiss the issue.

36ba71ea8bc4f736f4113433fde572bd

(347)

on April 12, 2012
at 12:20 PM

Sautéing and frying both require pots or pans, which I don't think humans had until fairly recently. Sautéed onions may taste good, but I'm pretty sure that's a Neolithic cooking method... Shrug. I don't know the importance of that fact, but it's something to consider.

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on April 12, 2012
at 12:15 PM

If you check out recipes for paleo fried chicken, or paleo fish-sticks, you'll see some techniques/examples of breading. I think it's normally a nut flour, or maybe a nut flour and coconut flour mix.

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on April 12, 2012
at 12:13 PM

There's a big difference between pan-fried on medium in a bit of butter/lard/tallow and deep frying in high heat. If you see a lot of comments about frying, it's more likely to be pan-frying than deep frying. Matt Lalonde talks about the importance of gentle cooking methods on a couple of podcasts: one with Robb Wolf, and another with Chris Kresser.

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on April 12, 2012
at 09:43 AM

frying doesnt have to mean deep frying. you dont have to batter for bread anything. Put a steak, piece of fish, piece of chicken etc in a frying pan on a hot plate. Nothing wrong with frying. Also, paleo doesnt mean low carb!

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D12142c8cafb16d9af10b3362cb8fb62

(1590)

on April 12, 2012
at 07:53 AM

The Paleo Diet is like Atkins? Noooo....

It's common knowledge caveman drank 600 calories of isolated dairy fat with coffee pre Cortisolfit WOD followed by a round of indoors blogging on iPads about how they ate a cranberry last night with 3 lbs of industrially reared nitrate cured pork and couldn't sleep. Damn neolithic fructose...

D12142c8cafb16d9af10b3362cb8fb62

(1590)

on April 12, 2012
at 09:12 PM

There is a lot of bullshit on paleohacks. Not sure if this comes close to a lot of it though.

276a5e631b62f8e0793987c0496364bb

(1644)

on April 12, 2012
at 07:26 PM

How the hell did this get so many upvotes? This is exactly the kind of unconstructive, uninviting bullshit that shouldn't be on here.

A3bb2c70384b0664a933b45739bac32c

(951)

on April 13, 2012
at 07:36 PM

It's called having a little fun. Isn't that also part of the Paleo lifestyle?

276a5e631b62f8e0793987c0496364bb

(1644)

on April 17, 2012
at 07:13 PM

It's hard to interpret intent through nothing more than text. i.e., "Can't tell if joking or asshole..."

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35a02a2763b86a141dee3f629ae623c7

on April 12, 2012
at 09:32 AM

You don't have to fry everything - but, as Medis says, it is a yummy way of doing things. Grilling, steaming, baking, sauteeing, roasting, broiling, spit-roasting, bbq, griddling, poaching and ceviching are all also perfectly valid ways to cook paleo food (as are any other methods that you care to think of...). Just make sure that whatever you are cooking is real food.

Also, it helps not to think of it as a caveman diet. For many people, it's not about living as a caveman did, but simply about eating evolutionarily appropriate foods (cooked however you wish) and exercising in evolutionarily appropriate ways.

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on April 12, 2012
at 02:03 PM

Ed, if you limited yourself to Paleo cooking methods, you'd probably get bored with your food very quickly. I only ever pan-fry, NEVER deep fry. And if I feel like frying up some chicken livers I will dredge them in egg and seasoned pecan meal (instead of breading) and fry them in some butter on medium-low heat.

36ba71ea8bc4f736f4113433fde572bd

(347)

on April 12, 2012
at 12:23 PM

Why not consider paleo food preparation techniques? Do you think that food prep method is unimportant relative to ingredient selection? I personally think there's a big question mark there and it may be unwise to dismiss the issue.

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C513f1dba19e01bbd7e0f4f12b243a97

(670)

on April 12, 2012
at 09:23 AM

Are you sure cavemen didn't fry things? ;) I can't think of a reason why they wouldn't - fried food is delicious! Seems likely that cooking with fire would automatically mean some food was fried, especially in the fat it was attached to.

As long as the fat is a stable kind, such as ghee, coconut oil, tallow and lard, frying is wonderful. I personally love to fry fatty lamb chops, onions and apples in tallow. It's incredibly good food!

I suppose the fear of frying comes from a) worrying about calories - and it's true, added fats will add calories, especially if you are not used to eating/not-eating based on internal satiety signals and rely on calorie tracking, and b) fear of fat generally, conflating the effect of PUFAs with stable, saturated fats.

The only thing I can see that might be problematic, besides frying adding surplus of calories, is that charred or fried foods are not as easy on digestion as boiled meats. So, drink some more water ;) And enjoy!

36ba71ea8bc4f736f4113433fde572bd

(347)

on April 12, 2012
at 12:20 PM

Sautéing and frying both require pots or pans, which I don't think humans had until fairly recently. Sautéed onions may taste good, but I'm pretty sure that's a Neolithic cooking method... Shrug. I don't know the importance of that fact, but it's something to consider.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on April 12, 2012
at 02:13 PM

There is some historical and modern-tribe use of just frying on the ground (see my comment on this thread). No pans needed! Just lots of yummy dirt.

C513f1dba19e01bbd7e0f4f12b243a97

(670)

on April 12, 2012
at 09:54 PM

I have no clue. I imagine that any meat cooked over an open flame is essentially fried, even if fats are not added. If our ancestors were as clever as we are, just without collective intelligence, I think they would have utilised fats for cooking and even fried other things in fat. Pure speculation though!

Ccacf7567273244733bc991af4ac42ed

(5198)

on April 13, 2012
at 10:03 PM

You could heat big rocks too. What's our proposed alternative? Is roasting everything really all that different if you're using it's own fat to fry it?

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 12, 2012
at 01:47 PM

Frying is an option. Not a law.

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06cf0b860450445b9d399fcc1b2a053a

on April 12, 2012
at 09:35 AM

If it's OK to fry, what do you use for the batter or breading to minimize carbs?

7841848bd0c27c64353c583fb7971242

(7275)

on April 12, 2012
at 12:15 PM

If you check out recipes for paleo fried chicken, or paleo fish-sticks, you'll see some techniques/examples of breading. I think it's normally a nut flour, or maybe a nut flour and coconut flour mix.

6b8d12fc3e43179f9ae1765a4d1a9dc2

(5914)

on April 12, 2012
at 09:43 AM

frying doesnt have to mean deep frying. you dont have to batter for bread anything. Put a steak, piece of fish, piece of chicken etc in a frying pan on a hot plate. Nothing wrong with frying. Also, paleo doesnt mean low carb!

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on April 12, 2012
at 02:13 PM

I'm a fan of pecan meal for the occasional breading.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on April 12, 2012
at 02:11 PM

Good question (even voted it up) for people who may be new to cooking. I just wanted to reiterate: you don't have to bread or batter anything to pan fry (heck, or even deep fry). Also, it's not about "minimizing carbs" it's about "removing grain products" when it comes to things like breading or batter.

06cf0b860450445b9d399fcc1b2a053a

on April 16, 2012
at 02:40 AM

Paleo doesn't mean low-carb, but a lot of people trying to get lean opt to go low-carb, so I think it's relevant.

0
A3bb2c70384b0664a933b45739bac32c

on April 13, 2012
at 07:46 PM

I don't think of Paleo as a caveman diet, it is a mistake. It is more using the caveman as a guide for what we should eat. Part of the guidelines also comes from traditional cultures. Native Americans, for example, used animal fat on flat stones to cook (ever heard of Navaho flat bread?) Also, like some others said, a lot of the time when we say fry it's more of a stir fry or sautee. Either way, it's a great way to add fat to your diet.

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Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

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on April 12, 2012
at 02:07 PM

There was a "No Reservations" where Anthony Bourdain spent time and ate with a gather/hunter African tribe. They fried eggs on the dirt in the bright sunlight, which was pretty awesome. I think it's fair to say that daily cooking in the paleolithic didn't involve tons of fat, but I'm wary guessing that they never used substantial fats when preparing foods.

Today, we have tons more options. I don't think that frying (especially deep frying) is technically paleo (as it's not modeled after the paleolithic), but I think pan-frying is a completely sensible, modern option for Paleo^TM.

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

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on April 12, 2012
at 06:12 PM

^^That must be what I was thinking of.

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on April 12, 2012
at 02:14 PM

If I remember correctly, he also thought the food tasted like shit because they used dung for fire fuel.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on April 12, 2012
at 02:17 PM

No, they used woods. However, he *did* eat boar anus, and parts of the mouth and intestine still full of partially digested food (IIRC), which yeah, he wasn't fond of.

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D45e43b08cd99a04f5d4294a871e1078

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on April 12, 2012
at 09:32 AM

Steve, great question!

answer your own question by eating everything raw for a week, even meat! People on this site cook food because they are too slow to escape the mental hindering of society. Caveman didn't cook food, and they probably were more eccentric, lively, kind, energetic, and smart (different kind of smart) than we are today.

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on April 12, 2012
at 02:02 PM

What the heck???

D45e43b08cd99a04f5d4294a871e1078

(1010)

on April 13, 2012
at 06:41 AM

^Well if she's an archaeologist then she would trust studies rather than her own sense. prove me wrong, try eating raw meat for a week and see if you are still angry. I've been doing it for three months and numerous health benefits have been achieved.

D45e43b08cd99a04f5d4294a871e1078

(1010)

on April 14, 2012
at 08:06 PM

^delicious? Don't we eat to live, not live to eat? Anyway, since your studying diet, what points do you find most important about diet, I'm very curious?

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on April 12, 2012
at 02:09 PM

Fire was used for cooking as early as 1 million years ago, a recent research study found ( http://news.discovery.com/human/human-ancestor-fire-120402.html ). I think the old estimate was 400,000 years ago. This is unarguably in the paleolithic.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 12, 2012
at 04:22 PM

My wife is an Archaeologist. Would you like to ask her how untrue this is or should she just give you and "F" on your report?

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on April 13, 2012
at 08:03 PM

Another person who believes in magic! Really, too slow to escape the mental hindering of society? Excuse me while I go slurp my raw oysters and grill my deliciously cooked steak.

D45e43b08cd99a04f5d4294a871e1078

(1010)

on April 14, 2012
at 08:07 PM

^Oh, and I only live 2 hours from you

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