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flaking and burning skin. help!

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created August 22, 2012 at 3:30 PM

hi

i introduced butter to my diet a long time ago and eat around 100g a day of it. i did this for a couple weeks then introduced 100g creamed coconut and some double cream.

but now i have flaky skin under my eyebrows which sometimes cause me to have burning sensation with a droopy/sagging of the skin over my eye which is annoying.

i have previously consumed lot of dried coconut couple months ago but dont anymore and i had butter for a couple weeks and seeing heavy cream and butter are similar, what could have caused these problems i am having, i am so confused!

thanks

Adb6852b4f2f42904da67708ffcd59f5

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on August 23, 2012
at 07:35 PM

isnt a vitamin A overdose very difficult to do?

74d3afd30ebc0d604d56c6de897bb9a8

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on August 23, 2012
at 04:40 PM

ever noticed how animals in the wild naturally gravitate towards some set amount of protein/fat/carb? humans do too, if you let yourself.

74d3afd30ebc0d604d56c6de897bb9a8

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on August 23, 2012
at 04:40 PM

You can pick any number of your sources for your macronutrient ratios, and I don't know what you consider low carb. here's one calculator below for you, there are many others. until you track it's very easy to overdo the fat. also ditto on the comment below, sounds like you're allergic to coconut oil/coconut products. go by how you feel, not what you think you're supposed to eat. if you're hungry, eat, if not, don't...if you like data then track and make sure you're getting enough vitamins and nutrients from what you're eating. paleodan.com/macronutrient-ratios

Adb6852b4f2f42904da67708ffcd59f5

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on August 23, 2012
at 08:08 AM

hmm interesting, i think i will eliminate double cream and creamed coconut for now and see how it goes because i used to have coconut oil and dried coconut months back and that caused no reaction but i guess i will try. thanks for that!

Adb6852b4f2f42904da67708ffcd59f5

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on August 23, 2012
at 08:04 AM

i just want to maintain my weight to be honest, not really hungry, sometimes i am. so what do you both recommend calories for fat to be? how much ratio wise should fat be of my diet whilst avoiding a low carb diet?thanks

74d3afd30ebc0d604d56c6de897bb9a8

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on August 22, 2012
at 08:33 PM

no totally fine, just wasn't clear on everything that you were doing/why. Agree with HappyNow, please take her advice. It doesn't take that much fat to get to 60-70% of calories! don't overload your body with fat just because you think you're supposed to, but honestly are you that hungry was the question I was asking. richard nikolay liquid fat bomb is crazy and it's NOT for everyday and you're doing that and MORE everyday!

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on August 22, 2012
at 08:20 PM

If the cream is the culprit, eczema could be your problem, dairy is known to aggravate it in some people.

Adb6852b4f2f42904da67708ffcd59f5

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on August 22, 2012
at 08:18 PM

not to mention my doctor is pretty rubbish and has done nothing but cause me problems and problems so i just seek an answer to why i feel like this. sorry for any trouble.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

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on August 22, 2012
at 08:18 PM

Have you plugged your numbers into something like cronometer or fitday to see where you are on nutrients. It sounds like you are aiming for a highfat/lowcarb diet, but may be shooting for volume of fat rather than one that is calorically high fat (which is what is intended). It doesn't actually take all that much fat for me to get to 60-70% of calories, just a steak with the fat on here, a few pats of butter there, some cream in my coffee, calorically it adds up fast.

Adb6852b4f2f42904da67708ffcd59f5

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on August 22, 2012
at 08:17 PM

hi, no your not being harsh, i rush stuff a lot i know because i have always had health problems and i like everything to be fixed. i am still young so still learning and yes i should have maybe put it altogether, sorry about that. if you look at my comments above, i mainly eat ruminate meats, liver,butter, coconut creamed, double cream, vegetables like kale,sweet potato,carrots,spinach, rice mainly. i took biokult to try fix my mild acne and to fix my stools which seems to be working as i dont have diarrhea anymore but its still early days as my stool is yellowish.

Adb6852b4f2f42904da67708ffcd59f5

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on August 22, 2012
at 08:12 PM

my stress and daily life is pretty fine tbh so thats what confused me as i thought a high fat diet was okay as i cannot find anything on paleohacks saying fat is bad, if i need to lower my fat intake, i have no problem in that of course but yh, i eat mainly for calories as i have a very fast metabolism and im young so i need to eat it a lot. fat is cheap and easier as its full of calories.

74d3afd30ebc0d604d56c6de897bb9a8

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on August 22, 2012
at 07:55 PM

I'm sorry I can't explain specifically why this is happening, but is it that you're 100% happy with everything in your life except for this burning/flaking thing (which I would consider pretty significant)? Just that, a stick of butter without fail, every day, seems like a lot as when I ate that much with protein (which it seems like you are eating) I had trouble eating much else...., and on top of that you are eating tons of coconut cream and regular cream? You can consume unlimited fat but are you hungry all the time for fat and more fat or are you eating it because you think you should?

91119f53c3827f5c7fc90b98cab85b04

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on August 22, 2012
at 07:41 PM

dried coconut has a fair amount of sugar and you might have a compromised liver and not giving it a chance to work because you are loading it with too much fat

Adb6852b4f2f42904da67708ffcd59f5

(501)

on August 22, 2012
at 06:41 PM

oh im so sorry. erm i thought there wasnt a limit to how much fat we can consume, its mostly and if not all saturated?

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on August 22, 2012
at 06:41 PM

I feel like I've seen the same concern posted before, but I can't remember if the conclusion was a vitamin A overdose (or vitamin D deficiency), or an eczema flare up from a food allergy.

Adb6852b4f2f42904da67708ffcd59f5

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on August 22, 2012
at 06:40 PM

yes i mainly eat lamb and fish like mackerel, could this be a problem of too much fat? thanks

91119f53c3827f5c7fc90b98cab85b04

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on August 22, 2012
at 06:06 PM

"i have previously consumed lot of dried coconut couple months ago but dont anymore"

Adb6852b4f2f42904da67708ffcd59f5

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on August 22, 2012
at 04:22 PM

thanks, i dont understand the first sentence, what did i stop eating?

Adb6852b4f2f42904da67708ffcd59f5

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on August 22, 2012
at 04:21 PM

hi creamed coconut is 100% pure, Pataks creamed coconut. i had butter no problems but could a small increase of lactose from double cream cause problems?

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7bf306ada57db47547e9da39a415edf6

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on August 22, 2012
at 08:48 PM

You are allergic to coconut. Here is the thread that made me realize I was allergic to coconut: Responding badly to coconut oil and butter. I had not made the link between the scaling over the eyes and coconut oil until I saw this thread. When I took the coconut oil out it diminished. I had had this for years, though it seemed at one point I got rid of it by putting a vinegar solution on it. I probably got it back by introducing coconut into my diet in a big way. Butter doesn't seem to cause this, but I do notice certain butters may encourage acne, which is why I tend to prefer ghee.
I seem to have lost this eyelid thing completely by putting a little cold-pressed hexane free castor oil on it. I did that once, after getting rid of most of it by removing coconut from my diet, so I don't know if the castor oil actually had an effect or if I just applied it at a time when it would seem it did.

Adb6852b4f2f42904da67708ffcd59f5

(501)

on August 23, 2012
at 08:08 AM

hmm interesting, i think i will eliminate double cream and creamed coconut for now and see how it goes because i used to have coconut oil and dried coconut months back and that caused no reaction but i guess i will try. thanks for that!

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74d3afd30ebc0d604d56c6de897bb9a8

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on August 22, 2012
at 08:06 PM

Hardeep, it sounds like you're trying a lot of crazy things, looking back on your questions. from the 100g of butter per day, plus the 100g of coconut, and then how much cream? also you have other questions, about taking biokult and having diarrhea problems? why wouldn't you list all of those symptoms in the same place? also you say you ate 200 g of kale/200 g of carrots per day on an earlier thread? every day? why? why not change things up, why do the same things every day and in such large amounts for the coconut and butter? I think when people here say high fat (and VLC) i imagine more that they are thinking in terms of animal fat, liver, kidney, fatty cuts of beef, fish being the foundations and then butter, and then coconut. don't get me wrong, i think butter and coconut are great sources...

I think if your digestion is not right, it's no surprise you're having other problems....

Perhaps try some things that are easier on your digestion, like bone broth, mushy, well cooked veggies, and slow down on the butter unless you are convinced you need it to feel full. but it sounds like you're going in all directions trying to fix your problems. ? sorry to be so harsh, just don't understand why if you're having all these different problems you wouldn't ask them in the same place.

Adb6852b4f2f42904da67708ffcd59f5

(501)

on August 23, 2012
at 08:04 AM

i just want to maintain my weight to be honest, not really hungry, sometimes i am. so what do you both recommend calories for fat to be? how much ratio wise should fat be of my diet whilst avoiding a low carb diet?thanks

Adb6852b4f2f42904da67708ffcd59f5

(501)

on August 22, 2012
at 08:18 PM

not to mention my doctor is pretty rubbish and has done nothing but cause me problems and problems so i just seek an answer to why i feel like this. sorry for any trouble.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on August 22, 2012
at 08:18 PM

Have you plugged your numbers into something like cronometer or fitday to see where you are on nutrients. It sounds like you are aiming for a highfat/lowcarb diet, but may be shooting for volume of fat rather than one that is calorically high fat (which is what is intended). It doesn't actually take all that much fat for me to get to 60-70% of calories, just a steak with the fat on here, a few pats of butter there, some cream in my coffee, calorically it adds up fast.

74d3afd30ebc0d604d56c6de897bb9a8

(100)

on August 22, 2012
at 08:33 PM

no totally fine, just wasn't clear on everything that you were doing/why. Agree with HappyNow, please take her advice. It doesn't take that much fat to get to 60-70% of calories! don't overload your body with fat just because you think you're supposed to, but honestly are you that hungry was the question I was asking. richard nikolay liquid fat bomb is crazy and it's NOT for everyday and you're doing that and MORE everyday!

Adb6852b4f2f42904da67708ffcd59f5

(501)

on August 22, 2012
at 08:17 PM

hi, no your not being harsh, i rush stuff a lot i know because i have always had health problems and i like everything to be fixed. i am still young so still learning and yes i should have maybe put it altogether, sorry about that. if you look at my comments above, i mainly eat ruminate meats, liver,butter, coconut creamed, double cream, vegetables like kale,sweet potato,carrots,spinach, rice mainly. i took biokult to try fix my mild acne and to fix my stools which seems to be working as i dont have diarrhea anymore but its still early days as my stool is yellowish.

74d3afd30ebc0d604d56c6de897bb9a8

(100)

on August 23, 2012
at 04:40 PM

You can pick any number of your sources for your macronutrient ratios, and I don't know what you consider low carb. here's one calculator below for you, there are many others. until you track it's very easy to overdo the fat. also ditto on the comment below, sounds like you're allergic to coconut oil/coconut products. go by how you feel, not what you think you're supposed to eat. if you're hungry, eat, if not, don't...if you like data then track and make sure you're getting enough vitamins and nutrients from what you're eating. paleodan.com/macronutrient-ratios

74d3afd30ebc0d604d56c6de897bb9a8

(100)

on August 23, 2012
at 04:40 PM

ever noticed how animals in the wild naturally gravitate towards some set amount of protein/fat/carb? humans do too, if you let yourself.

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D41fcf8a3e7f2fa31c7a9c444a505f3f

(362)

on August 22, 2012
at 04:14 PM

Sounds like an allergic reaction to me.

Although it's just a small amount double cream does still contain lactose. Maybe you are reacting to that. Coconut food allergies are quite rare so chances are slim that you might be allergic to the creamed coconut.

Another possibility is guar gum. Check the label of the creamed coconut package and see if it contains guar gum. Allergic symptoms can be itchy eyes, facial redness, swelling and rashes.

Adb6852b4f2f42904da67708ffcd59f5

(501)

on August 22, 2012
at 04:21 PM

hi creamed coconut is 100% pure, Pataks creamed coconut. i had butter no problems but could a small increase of lactose from double cream cause problems?

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on August 22, 2012
at 08:20 PM

If the cream is the culprit, eczema could be your problem, dairy is known to aggravate it in some people.

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74d3afd30ebc0d604d56c6de897bb9a8

(100)

on August 22, 2012
at 05:56 PM

if you only experienced the burning once the coconut came in, why not eliminate that? it can have phytic acid: http://chriskresser.com/another-reason-you-shouldnt-go-nuts-on-nuts

are you eating fatty meats/fish besides butter and cream?

Adb6852b4f2f42904da67708ffcd59f5

(501)

on August 22, 2012
at 06:40 PM

yes i mainly eat lamb and fish like mackerel, could this be a problem of too much fat? thanks

74d3afd30ebc0d604d56c6de897bb9a8

(100)

on August 22, 2012
at 07:55 PM

I'm sorry I can't explain specifically why this is happening, but is it that you're 100% happy with everything in your life except for this burning/flaking thing (which I would consider pretty significant)? Just that, a stick of butter without fail, every day, seems like a lot as when I ate that much with protein (which it seems like you are eating) I had trouble eating much else...., and on top of that you are eating tons of coconut cream and regular cream? You can consume unlimited fat but are you hungry all the time for fat and more fat or are you eating it because you think you should?

Adb6852b4f2f42904da67708ffcd59f5

(501)

on August 22, 2012
at 08:12 PM

my stress and daily life is pretty fine tbh so thats what confused me as i thought a high fat diet was okay as i cannot find anything on paleohacks saying fat is bad, if i need to lower my fat intake, i have no problem in that of course but yh, i eat mainly for calories as i have a very fast metabolism and im young so i need to eat it a lot. fat is cheap and easier as its full of calories.

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91119f53c3827f5c7fc90b98cab85b04

(799)

on August 22, 2012
at 04:14 PM

Couple of possibilities here - perhaps the sugar in the dairy and the coconut fed a candida overgrowth and what you are experiencing are die-off symptoms from having stopped eating it. Also, the eye area is sympathetically linked with the liver and if you are bombarding your liver with more fat than it can handle skin irritations may appear in the eye area as a result of an overburdened liver.

Check for candida using a spit test for starters. Try cutting back on the fat, eliminating sugars and maybe supplement with some biotin and / or molybdenum to assist clearing of the skin and liver. If you suspect you may have any leaky gut or autoimmune issues avoid dairy completely because the sugars will get into the bloodstream and create issues.

Adb6852b4f2f42904da67708ffcd59f5

(501)

on August 22, 2012
at 04:22 PM

thanks, i dont understand the first sentence, what did i stop eating?

Adb6852b4f2f42904da67708ffcd59f5

(501)

on August 22, 2012
at 06:41 PM

oh im so sorry. erm i thought there wasnt a limit to how much fat we can consume, its mostly and if not all saturated?

91119f53c3827f5c7fc90b98cab85b04

(799)

on August 22, 2012
at 07:41 PM

dried coconut has a fair amount of sugar and you might have a compromised liver and not giving it a chance to work because you are loading it with too much fat

91119f53c3827f5c7fc90b98cab85b04

(799)

on August 22, 2012
at 06:06 PM

"i have previously consumed lot of dried coconut couple months ago but dont anymore"

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