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Extreme Paleo AutoImmune protocol: mostly drinking fat for calories, plus some meat. Is this OK?

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Created December 01, 2012 at 9:21 AM

I am now going to go with full Autoimmunity paleo protocol. I am well supplied with grass fed organic butter which I am turning into ghee and organic lard. Having considered what are my meal options and how limited choice I have I am starting this:

Breakfast: 60g of lean conventional/grass fed/organic meet 60g of melted ghee with lard (40g+20g) = 80 calories from protein + 540 calories from fat

Lunch: 90g of lean conventional/grass fed/organic meet 70g of melted ghee with olive oil (40g+30g) = 120 calories from protein + 630 calories from fat

Dinner: 60g of lean conventional/grass fed/organic meet 70g of melted ghee with olive oil, or lard (40g+30g) = 120 calories from protein + 630 calories from fat

This gives me total of 2120 calories, of which approx. 15% are coming from protein and 85% from fat. Occasionally I will have more meat, thus more protein on some days, plus some carbs from plantains and yams, therefore I think fat will usually be more realistically around 75-80% of my calories.

I know I may be missing some nutrition here, e.g. vitamins, minerals etc. and I don't want to eat a a pound of vegetables a day not to irritate the digestive tract even more. I will probably be having liver once or twice per week and hoping I will be able to add yolks in a few weeks, or a month.

What do you guys think about this? I know it sounds a bit crazy to just eat meat and drink fat, but after all you can look at it as "high tech" paleo.

Please, comment on what you think may be a reasonable addition to this diet while keeping gut irritating foods as low as possible, staying AI paleo and be well nourished at the same time. BIG THANKS!

7210c6f103ccb6767e972a0d084b29af

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on December 02, 2012
at 09:05 PM

So sorry to read about you not getting any better with AI protocol. My stomach gets bad mostly when I eat lots of fruits (apples, citrus fruits etc), so I am staying away from those. I always suffered from gastric reflux, but it resolved when I stopped eating carbs. Broth and vinegar/lemon? Is it really necessary for the broth? I only put chicken bones with some meat on them, and some veggies. Cooking in pressure pot instead of slow cooking seems to work better. Also, have you checked infections? I've been on Marshall Protocol for 5 years in the past and I think it's worth looking into.

7210c6f103ccb6767e972a0d084b29af

(56)

on December 02, 2012
at 09:01 PM

Thanks, glad to know not trying this alone. Honestly, I don't know how are people getting all their daily fat intake from food only. If you take if from meals, i.e. meats, eggs, dairy etc. you'll eat along much more protein than what is recommended, wild guess around 2g/kg of body weight, so starting to just drink pure fat and separately eating lean mean helps tremendously. It just looks funny when I make my lunch at work - 70g of lean meat and 70g of fat - and all that fits in a small bowl yet it packs some 700 calories :)

7210c6f103ccb6767e972a0d084b29af

(56)

on December 02, 2012
at 08:55 PM

I feel like my main problem is (unconfirmed) histamine intolerance and generally weird reactions of body to food. Went through lots of pain in the summer. Main symptoms: shortness of breath and rapid heart beat after nearly each food which later grew into horrible month long joint pains. One of the reasons after going paleo seemed to be I started eating tons of high-histamine food (easily a pound of sauerkraut a few times per week). Since drastically reducing variety of my food, things got much better, also worsened now after adding eggs. Anyway - adding well cooked vegetables now.

7210c6f103ccb6767e972a0d084b29af

(56)

on December 02, 2012
at 08:51 PM

I am especially concerned with the raw vegetables. Before going high-fat paleo (and before knowing about paleo at all) I was for 2-3 years on low carb diet very high in meat and mostly raw veggies and I think it did me no good. Therefore I am very careful with veggies now, only eating cooked or steamed ones. Also was eating one and a half pound of steamed broccoli+cauliflower puree daily from July until October used as a carrier for fat, so might have overloaded with fiber a bit.

7210c6f103ccb6767e972a0d084b29af

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on December 02, 2012
at 08:47 PM

OK, took the comment seriously and made lots of chicken broth. I agree I need some minerals and vitamins, and since I always make it with veggies (carrots, celery, squash etc) I get some of them as well. Using pressure pot and boiling for 65 minutes, so far no adverse reactions like last time when cooking for 3 hours in normal pot.

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on December 02, 2012
at 11:47 AM

Northern Indians would boil up bones in a hole in the ground by dropping seriously hot rocks (from a fire) into the liquid causing it to boil. I don't know how long it took them (they were primarily after the fat), but if we can get more out of the bones - why not??

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on December 02, 2012
at 01:12 AM

... and here: http://www.carbsmart.com/my-5-low-carb-mistakes-and-how-nutritional-ketosis-rescued-me.html

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on December 02, 2012
at 01:11 AM

Check out what Jimmy Moore is doing with his Nutritional Ketosis experiment, he's running at about the same ratio of fats and protein you're aiming for. http://livinlavidalowcarb.com/blog/n1

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(56)

on December 01, 2012
at 10:33 AM

Also, I am reading bone broth should be cooked for at least 24-48 hours to get the nutrients out. Mine took 3 hours. Also wondering how 24 hour cooking can be paleo.

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on December 01, 2012
at 10:29 AM

Tried bone broth from chicken (slowly cooked according to GAPS protocol) some time ago and had huge allergic reaction. Probably due to high histamine content...? I have no access to organic, grass fed bones :(

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on December 02, 2012
at 02:38 PM

I totally eat like this. It has been the best thing for my energy level, digestion, skin and general health. Make sure though that you consume some organ meats, beef bone broth if chicken affects you, gelatin etc. Also many have recommended a vitamin c supplement. I also consume some coconut milk (but it seems to make my stomach ache). Theres always room for variance and to reevaluate. Try what works best and work from there.

7210c6f103ccb6767e972a0d084b29af

(56)

on December 02, 2012
at 09:01 PM

Thanks, glad to know not trying this alone. Honestly, I don't know how are people getting all their daily fat intake from food only. If you take if from meals, i.e. meats, eggs, dairy etc. you'll eat along much more protein than what is recommended, wild guess around 2g/kg of body weight, so starting to just drink pure fat and separately eating lean mean helps tremendously. It just looks funny when I make my lunch at work - 70g of lean meat and 70g of fat - and all that fits in a small bowl yet it packs some 700 calories :)

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on December 01, 2012
at 07:39 PM

Why do you think Vegetables will irritate your digestive tract? I think they would make a great addition; choosing the right ones of course. No nightshades or startchy veggies

7210c6f103ccb6767e972a0d084b29af

(56)

on December 02, 2012
at 08:51 PM

I am especially concerned with the raw vegetables. Before going high-fat paleo (and before knowing about paleo at all) I was for 2-3 years on low carb diet very high in meat and mostly raw veggies and I think it did me no good. Therefore I am very careful with veggies now, only eating cooked or steamed ones. Also was eating one and a half pound of steamed broccoli+cauliflower puree daily from July until October used as a carrier for fat, so might have overloaded with fiber a bit.

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on December 01, 2012
at 09:48 AM

What I think of this?

Where's the bone broth?!

7210c6f103ccb6767e972a0d084b29af

(56)

on December 01, 2012
at 10:33 AM

Also, I am reading bone broth should be cooked for at least 24-48 hours to get the nutrients out. Mine took 3 hours. Also wondering how 24 hour cooking can be paleo.

7210c6f103ccb6767e972a0d084b29af

(56)

on December 01, 2012
at 10:29 AM

Tried bone broth from chicken (slowly cooked according to GAPS protocol) some time ago and had huge allergic reaction. Probably due to high histamine content...? I have no access to organic, grass fed bones :(

7210c6f103ccb6767e972a0d084b29af

(56)

on December 02, 2012
at 08:47 PM

OK, took the comment seriously and made lots of chicken broth. I agree I need some minerals and vitamins, and since I always make it with veggies (carrots, celery, squash etc) I get some of them as well. Using pressure pot and boiling for 65 minutes, so far no adverse reactions like last time when cooking for 3 hours in normal pot.

535fafe8afe6923870905c707c4f4454

(720)

on December 02, 2012
at 11:47 AM

Northern Indians would boil up bones in a hole in the ground by dropping seriously hot rocks (from a fire) into the liquid causing it to boil. I don't know how long it took them (they were primarily after the fat), but if we can get more out of the bones - why not??

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B1076248dde479773e75044818e1878c

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on December 02, 2012
at 03:15 PM

Thanks for this post. I'm in the same shoes with the autoimmune disorder Ankylosing Spondylitis. I've been on autoimmune protocol for about 1 1/2 years, but unfortunately, I'm no better off at this point. When my symptoms are bad, I pull back and eat almost straight meat, and that helps. Everything else seems to aggravate my symptoms, but I struggle since eating only meat makes me look deathly skinny. No matter how much meat and lard you eat, it doesn't put on a single pound.

Broth also triggers my symptoms...even when I try using lemon juice instead of vinegar (vinegar too rough on stomach). I'm wondering if it's the liquid fat causing issues with gastric reflux?

Currently, I can eat the following when my symptoms are somewhat under control: winter squashes, summer squash, bok choy, lettuces, green onions (green part only), carrots, celery, green herbs (cilantro, basil, oregano, rosemary, etc.), lemon, lime, blueberries (very small portions). Note that I can't tolerate sweet potatoes (ah, that would put SO much weight back, but I'm in awful pain later). I also can't tolerate dark leafy greens like Kale. When I tried to supplement the recommended items from the Balanced Bites book, I ended up in an immediate flare: zinc carsonine, magnesium (citrate destroys my stomach, but even the other magnesiums ruined me), any probiotics, and L-Glutamine. It's completely discouraging to be so reactive to everything. I've been in tears quite often just wishing my stomach were well enough to add the nutrients it needs to get to the next step. I would love the paleo world to do more research on helping people in the worst shape. I stay hopeful we're going to figure this out, but I definitely understand the extreme protocols and trying anything!

I know people reading this post may scratch their heads and say we're going overboard, but when you go through torturous pain all the time, you are willing to try and do anything just to relieve your symptoms. Keep us updated on your progress! Good luck!

7210c6f103ccb6767e972a0d084b29af

(56)

on December 02, 2012
at 09:05 PM

So sorry to read about you not getting any better with AI protocol. My stomach gets bad mostly when I eat lots of fruits (apples, citrus fruits etc), so I am staying away from those. I always suffered from gastric reflux, but it resolved when I stopped eating carbs. Broth and vinegar/lemon? Is it really necessary for the broth? I only put chicken bones with some meat on them, and some veggies. Cooking in pressure pot instead of slow cooking seems to work better. Also, have you checked infections? I've been on Marshall Protocol for 5 years in the past and I think it's worth looking into.

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on December 02, 2012
at 12:48 AM

I would add certainly add some vegetables and fruit. I'm not sure what type of digestive problems you experience or the nature of your autoimmune disease -- what types of plants you add and how they are cooked would depend on what you can tolerate. For example, I know people with some of the connective tissue diseases like lupus are told to avoid onions, garlic, and sprouts (for a reason that I can't remember!) I know that people with some types of arthritis avoid the nightshade vegetable family. Those with Ankylosing Spondylitis might cut out all of the higher-starch fruit and veggies. Some with Crohn's or colitis need to cook their veggies well and avoid too much fiber, and may also need to stop conuming fruit with seeds.

I'm sure that avoiding ALL plants will do much more harm than good. Would it be possible to include some well-cooked dark green leafies?

7210c6f103ccb6767e972a0d084b29af

(56)

on December 02, 2012
at 08:55 PM

I feel like my main problem is (unconfirmed) histamine intolerance and generally weird reactions of body to food. Went through lots of pain in the summer. Main symptoms: shortness of breath and rapid heart beat after nearly each food which later grew into horrible month long joint pains. One of the reasons after going paleo seemed to be I started eating tons of high-histamine food (easily a pound of sauerkraut a few times per week). Since drastically reducing variety of my food, things got much better, also worsened now after adding eggs. Anyway - adding well cooked vegetables now.

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on December 01, 2012
at 07:46 PM

If it seems to negatively effect your digestion you may want to look into adding vegetables.

Just my thoughts.

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