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Everyone here seems to be about weight loss. What about autoimmune?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created April 27, 2011 at 1:11 AM

Hey all,

I've been on the Paleo-autoimmune diet for a while now. Getting lonely as everyone seems to be trying to lose the pounds, while I'm struggling to keep them on while supposedly treating my autoimmune-acne problems. I am starting to feel like a nut for doing this diet for non-weightloss purposes.

How is the Paleo lifestyle helping your autoimmune symptoms?

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on November 07, 2011
at 05:28 PM

I hear ya! I suffered daily for a decade with the worst hayfever you could imagine. Paleo cured me of it and even helped my (pretty bad) acne.

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on June 23, 2011
at 06:20 PM

I am living the paleo lifestyle for dealing with my rosacea - which has been working. I can only eat protein, dairy, veggies fruits and nuts. You ARE NOT crazy. You are trying to heal your body and bring yourself to more optimal health.

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on June 23, 2011
at 01:38 PM

Good luck, JAS; I hope you'll keep us posted on your joint pain progress. I found that my RA joint pain nearly disappeared with strict ZC/paleo. And I certainly won't deride you for your opinion on calories-in/calories-out; I share it. I've never lost weight either on anything but low-carb (unless I got down to 500 cals, and it could be argued that that was also low-carb, lol).

Da7dc02f6150d09197a768aff40a11f1

on June 05, 2011
at 10:32 PM

Did eating paleo help get rid of your candida? I'm trying to heal my gut and get all the good bacteria back!

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on May 03, 2011
at 02:07 AM

To be honest, I'm not sure myself. I read about this on MDA (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/gain-weight-build-muscle/). I have yet to start a regular heavy lifting routine, but right now I pretty much stick to the pullups/pushups/sprinting routine that you've listed. I don't know if doing these exercises at high intensity or to failure would induce a hormonal response, but I would imagine it to be much less than a heavy lifting session if it does.

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on May 02, 2011
at 11:26 PM

when does IGF-1 kick in? what kind of heavy lifting? what about pullups/pushups? how about sprinting? what do you think is the best exercise for acne?

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on April 28, 2011
at 03:37 AM

Paleo, minus fruit and nuts (for VLC), no dairy. Did that from Dec/January through early April. Added some mac nuts in early April. No change. I really felt worse after starting Paleo, but with the way it comes and goes it is hard to say. Could be coincidence.

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on April 27, 2011
at 11:10 PM

HIV (and AIDS) are most certainly not autoimmune conditions. Neither are allergies. Do you know what autoimmunity means?

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on April 27, 2011
at 08:34 PM

Ben, I started a hardgainer question.

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on April 27, 2011
at 04:18 PM

Keep us updated! Does this restricted diet help you in regard to acne so far?

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on April 27, 2011
at 03:23 PM

I've never had been above 145 at 6'0". Since cutting wheat and dairy and waiting 6 months, I'm rocking 156 and rising.

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on April 27, 2011
at 03:19 PM

awesome hearing from others who are paleo and into physical culture. Its always amazed me that people think you can't gain weight on paleo.

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on April 27, 2011
at 03:18 PM

Ah yes, and when I tell people I follow an unconventional diet, they also think I'm a nut because I'm not overweight. The common perception of a 'diet' is fundamentally flawed. Oy.

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on April 27, 2011
at 11:23 AM

What sort of diet are you eating? I'm interested in AS since it seems to be as related problem to Crohn's - I tried a super low starch/fiber diet which seems to work for Crohn's. I'd be interested in seeing what you're including/avoiding.

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on April 27, 2011
at 05:45 AM

Oh and I'm 29, gonna be 30 in Sept.!

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on April 27, 2011
at 05:45 AM

I'm with you Ben! I'm a hardgainer, super skinny, have been all my life. I'm doing this for the fat-burning (skinny-fat with a beer gut is not a great way to live!) and then gonna lay on the muscle. Started lifting hardcore a year and a half ago, never saw much results, now with paleo and a Stronglifts 5x5 I'm packin it on! Started at a flabby 142, down to 130, and now back up to 145 I hope, with a low low low BF%.

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Eead82aa93bbcdada0bcd817d0952e58

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on June 23, 2011
at 12:38 PM

I have Lupus/Anti-Phosphilid and sort of gradually made my way to Paleo first from Schwarzbein and her reduced carb/moderate protein and unlimited fats protocol for hormone re-regulation then through MDA last Spring. I had been trying to lose weight as well ever since I gained it after a very serious bout of depression (we're talking hospitalization) that I am still convinced was just a part of the autoimmunity beginning to rear it's head. As a bit of background, I swam competitively from the age of 5 and also had eat issues so generally was under-nourishing while over-exercising for the entirely of my growing years not to mention the various hormones issues that cropped up. So essentially to say I (and the CW diet and training mentality) swam myself into this autoimmune hell-hole would be pretty appropriate.

I am now sort of challenging the foods from the elimination autoimmune paleo diet- It's a bit hard to be strict because I'm a chef so that necessarily involved a decent amount of tasting (although never anything with gluten as I am allergic and pretty much zero grain unless an errant corn kernal sneaks in if I have to taste a soup). Overall, however, my joint pain is pretty much gone and does get aggravated with nightshades (I was a bell pepper worshipper for the longest time ) and when I eat anything with egg- especially straight up, I feel extremely nauseous and I get very tired and achey almost immediately. I should also say my concentration has improved vastly and I'm considered in remission at this point (very low SED rate, complement levels normal, all other labs normal).

As for weight loss, as much as I may be derided for this, the only times I have EVER lost weight has been through a PSMF (so low carb/low fat/moderate protein).You can believe what you want to, but after going through what I have and after reading enough info from Sisson/Schwarzbein/Taubes calories in vs calories out is BS unless your body/hormones are dialed in to a T which in this world with all the environmental factors alone is impossible. Anyways, the first time was with Lyle and refeeds before I'd read GCBC which was hell each time and made me feel like utter shite and my post plan was primal but I allowed in too many grains/sugar exceptions every weekend and I have found my body just cannot tolerate it- period. This past time I did even less exercise during, no refeeds, and lost less lean mass and transitioned extremely slowly to a VLC paleo autoimmune diet and its been 6 weeks since I officially ended the diet and I actually continued to lose weight- about 30# total. Now that I've ramped up my exercise (keep in mind I'm running around a kitchen as well 5 days a week for 7-10 hours) the progress has slowed and I'm working on getting my fat up as I seem to crave that now. I went back to the weight room pretty much lifting the same amount of weight I was before as well. I will say that this extreme type also allows you to be on an elimination diet of sorts so you can naturally see how you respond to foods when you're coming off it-especially in terms of autoimmune reactions. This last time I also finally gave up the calorie counting and weighing myself (it was literally getting me nowhere) and I have not returned- it is extremely freeing.

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on June 23, 2011
at 01:38 PM

Good luck, JAS; I hope you'll keep us posted on your joint pain progress. I found that my RA joint pain nearly disappeared with strict ZC/paleo. And I certainly won't deride you for your opinion on calories-in/calories-out; I share it. I've never lost weight either on anything but low-carb (unless I got down to 500 cals, and it could be argued that that was also low-carb, lol).

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on April 27, 2011
at 02:40 AM

Ankylosing Spondylitis here. Unfortunately, Paleo has done nothing for my autoimmune condition. If anything it is worse. Maybe I just need more time. My husband, on the other hand, has discovered that his lifelong battle with arthritis in his knees was actually a gluten allergy. He has been getting cortisone shots in his knees since he was a kid. The pain disappeared after he removed the gluten.

4145b36f1488224964edac6258b75aff

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on April 27, 2011
at 11:23 AM

What sort of diet are you eating? I'm interested in AS since it seems to be as related problem to Crohn's - I tried a super low starch/fiber diet which seems to work for Crohn's. I'd be interested in seeing what you're including/avoiding.

6670b38baf0aae7f4d8ac2463ddc37c0

(3946)

on April 28, 2011
at 03:37 AM

Paleo, minus fruit and nuts (for VLC), no dairy. Did that from Dec/January through early April. Added some mac nuts in early April. No change. I really felt worse after starting Paleo, but with the way it comes and goes it is hard to say. Could be coincidence.

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on April 27, 2011
at 02:58 AM

I've been paleo for over two years. None of this has been for weight loss. I've never been overweight. I was WAP for years and gradually and naturally moved to a paleo way of living and eating.

In the past six months I have continued strict paleo but greatly increased by calories generally and my carbohydrate in particular. I'm lifting weights and trying to gain weight at 31 years old. Better late than never. Been skinny for too long.

When I was introduced to paleo mostly everyone doing it were NOT doing it for weight loss. Most everyone were athletes or at least athletic and were looking for better ways to fuel activity.

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on April 27, 2011
at 05:45 AM

Oh and I'm 29, gonna be 30 in Sept.!

Medium avatar

(5639)

on April 27, 2011
at 05:45 AM

I'm with you Ben! I'm a hardgainer, super skinny, have been all my life. I'm doing this for the fat-burning (skinny-fat with a beer gut is not a great way to live!) and then gonna lay on the muscle. Started lifting hardcore a year and a half ago, never saw much results, now with paleo and a Stronglifts 5x5 I'm packin it on! Started at a flabby 142, down to 130, and now back up to 145 I hope, with a low low low BF%.

D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

(5242)

on April 27, 2011
at 03:23 PM

I've never had been above 145 at 6'0". Since cutting wheat and dairy and waiting 6 months, I'm rocking 156 and rising.

Medium avatar

(5639)

on April 27, 2011
at 08:34 PM

Ben, I started a hardgainer question.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on April 27, 2011
at 03:19 PM

awesome hearing from others who are paleo and into physical culture. Its always amazed me that people think you can't gain weight on paleo.

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on June 23, 2011
at 02:22 PM

Before paleo: I had acne, eczema, frequent hives and other skin rashes, dust and cat allergies, a long history of frequent upper respiratory infections and inflammation, had struggled with anxiety and depression for many years, had painful/heavy periods with suspected endometriosis, and had just gotten a tentative diagnosis of IBS (I pooped 3-8 times per day and my digestion never felt right). I also weighed between 94-99 lbs at 5'5" for 10 years, despite my best efforts, had problems gaining any stamina or strength, was constantly cold, often had low energy and had several other hypothyroid symptoms.

Now I have none of the above, weigh between 105-109 lbs, and can lift things much heavier than I am. This is some good shit!

I will say that I had to pretty much give up all dairy but cream and butter to have truly good skin. I used to drink milk and eat tons of cheese and yogurt. Now I will have a little cheese - preferably raw - and won't break out, but I don't want to push it. I revel in my clear, smooth, un-medicated skin every day!

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on April 27, 2011
at 10:57 PM

Why on earth would you feel like a nut? You are consciously choosing to eat foods that allow you to achieve a higher quality of life. I'd argue you'd be a nut if you chose the opposite.

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on April 27, 2011
at 03:16 PM

I'm also here for problems with acne. Following the paleo diet has done some great things for my complexion. I still get the occasional breakout but it is very mild compared to what I used to experience. I've also experienced some lean muscle gain by diet alone, just by simply changing the composition of my diet and increasing fat & protein intake. Win/win.

I hope to start lifting heavier things to gain some mass, but I do worry about the increased stress stirring up breakouts. I read the "gaining muscle mass" article on MDA which discusses the role of hormones, including IGF-1, for building muscle. However, Cordain points to IGF-1 as an aggravating factor in the development of acne in "the dietary cure for acne", so this makes me weary of heavy lifting. Looks like I have some experimenting to do!

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on April 27, 2011
at 03:18 PM

Ah yes, and when I tell people I follow an unconventional diet, they also think I'm a nut because I'm not overweight. The common perception of a 'diet' is fundamentally flawed. Oy.

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on May 02, 2011
at 11:26 PM

when does IGF-1 kick in? what kind of heavy lifting? what about pullups/pushups? how about sprinting? what do you think is the best exercise for acne?

A0b8c4cc369f93ee987ce15b1bf323fe

on May 03, 2011
at 02:07 AM

To be honest, I'm not sure myself. I read about this on MDA (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/gain-weight-build-muscle/). I have yet to start a regular heavy lifting routine, but right now I pretty much stick to the pullups/pushups/sprinting routine that you've listed. I don't know if doing these exercises at high intensity or to failure would induce a hormonal response, but I would imagine it to be much less than a heavy lifting session if it does.

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on April 27, 2011
at 03:04 AM

I've never been formally diagnosed with an autoimmune condition however I eat autoimmune paleo. I don't eat nuts/seeds, dairy, eggs, nightshades, gluten and avoid all soy (it's in alot of fish oil supps and dark chocolate). If I stick to this diet I have less aches and pains, back is not as stiff and most importantly I dont get depressed and have a better (but still not great) attention span. I've been to all types of docs from western to eastern and autoimmune paleo has helped me more than any of them.

Is the diet helping your acne? I had acne when I was young and now I view it as a first warning sign that inflammation was accumulating in my body.

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on June 23, 2011
at 05:16 PM

While I don't have autoimmune issues that I'm aware of, I'm in the category of trying to keep weight on. I'm breastfeeding, down to about 20 BMI, and continuing a slow but gradual weight loss despite absolutely no efforts in that direction.

I'm continuing to eat this way because I really do feel better and have more energy despite the weight loss. Plus the baby's dietary sensitivities restrict my diet to near-paleo anyways.

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on April 27, 2011
at 10:50 PM

I'd turned Paleo about a year ago due to Lyme Disease and fix my leaky gut caused by Candida. I already got rid of the Candida by now.

Sometimes I get a distorted view of the Paleo scene sometimes too,by seeing all these pics of people with their ripped bodies and stories of vigorous exercise regimen.

So...you're not a nut! ...well,at least not the only one;)

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on June 05, 2011
at 10:32 PM

Did eating paleo help get rid of your candida? I'm trying to heal my gut and get all the good bacteria back!

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on April 27, 2011
at 03:29 PM

I went Paleo just for the hell of it. I like to try new things. It turned out that it helped my high blood pressure condition and I am no longer on medication. That was a bonus!

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on April 27, 2011
at 04:47 AM

Could you be more specific in what you mean by autoimmune symptoms.

Celiac, AIDS, HIV, allergies (hayfever), Crohns etc are examples of autoimmune problems, is there any particular thing your looking at?

Here is a giant list: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Autoimmune_disease

Unlikely that you have all of them, and a doctor's diagnosis would make more sense. Although I'm not sure how paleo could help things other than celiac disease all that much (maybe n3/n6 issues?).

Note: Adding this to be clear that I think the notion of curing HIV / AIDS with paleo is absolutely absurd, as a bit of an example of how paleo may be overly portrayed as a cure all.

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on April 27, 2011
at 11:10 PM

HIV (and AIDS) are most certainly not autoimmune conditions. Neither are allergies. Do you know what autoimmunity means?

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on April 27, 2011
at 02:31 AM

I'm on paleo for weightloss but I put my husband on it for his arthritis and allergies and he seems to be doing much better. His back feels good enough to excercise again and he isn't snoring like a drunk grizzly bear anymore. We haven't been on it for long enough to really make huge changes but I think it's really doin well for him. A lot of his famil members hav auto immune issues and I'm hoping we can eat the system with this. So far so good.

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on April 27, 2011
at 01:18 AM

I am borderline autoimmune but have weight issues, so I am doing both. After some cheats this week surrounding my birthday 'celebration' I am feeling so sore in my joints and tired. So you're not alone. I know there are others trying to keep weight on or gain weight, and then people like me who have autoimmune issues but are overweight.

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