1

votes

Epicondylitis + other type pain - help from paleo diet?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created December 15, 2011 at 5:58 AM

I have a client, a 30ish male, otherwise healthy who has suffered for 5-6 years now from epicondylitis (medialis) type pain in his both arms. He also has pain in the neck which prevents him from reading sitting by the table. For 2 years he has also had a pain in his other groin.

He hasn't benefited from any of the conventional trick or treatments for epicondylitis (exercise, wrist support, epi support, rest) and I'm beginning to wonder that it's something completely else.

Any ideas? I already planted a seed of maybe trying the paleo diet to reduse inflammation but I would be happy to hear if anyone has anything similar to share?

The situation restrics his level of function so badly he hasn't been able to study (and wouldn't be able to work).

Thanks, if anyone has anything!

D8c04730b5d016a839b3c5b932bf59dd

(823)

on December 29, 2011
at 03:47 AM

Hay, Holly, yep EDS certainly sucks. Nice to run into you here! Magnesium is AMAZING. I could not live without my epsom salts baths. I recently started magnesium supplements too. My intestines aren't crazy about it, but boy my muscles liked it a lot!

25b139cc1954456d9ea469e40f984cd3

on December 16, 2011
at 06:29 AM

Surgery may be an option...

293ba4c95d190bc616b27d85b10d705a

(661)

on December 15, 2011
at 07:23 PM

no problem!! nerve pain is completely debilitating!

Medium avatar

(39821)

on December 15, 2011
at 06:53 PM

Vitamin C for collagen synthesis/repair will probably make the biggest difference.

Ffeed8e7a72936133bfc07ecc5ad54c6

(15)

on December 15, 2011
at 06:36 PM

Thanks Holly, useful advice! I'll see those with him.

293ba4c95d190bc616b27d85b10d705a

(661)

on December 15, 2011
at 01:06 PM

Eds sucks so much!!! :(

Ffeed8e7a72936133bfc07ecc5ad54c6

(15)

on December 15, 2011
at 09:11 AM

They show a little swelling around the epicondylitis area which fits the diagnosis. He also has a little prolapse in C7-TH1 but it's not pressing the nerves. I'll have a word with him again about the cortizone. And interesting to hear about your problem tho not a nice one for you. Just wondering isn't it quite rare that a epicondylitis doesn't get better after 5-6 years...

Ffeed8e7a72936133bfc07ecc5ad54c6

(15)

on December 15, 2011
at 09:07 AM

He's not eating paleo but I suggested it yesterday for the first time. I just have to be careful not to step outside my expertise, I'm an occupational therapist and I work for the city so it's baby steps :-) But reducing inflammation by diet was exactly what I talked with him. Your condition sounds evil too, happy to hear paleo helps! Have to google that. Warm water therapy is worth trying as well!

25b139cc1954456d9ea469e40f984cd3

on December 15, 2011
at 08:34 AM

I have had all of the above, apparently unrelated--tendonitis in elbows; budging disc in neck, torn labrum in hips...not to mention other stuff...

25b139cc1954456d9ea469e40f984cd3

on December 15, 2011
at 08:32 AM

Has he had MRIs? What do they show? Cortisone can be very effective for elbow pain, and if used once (or twice, with 1 year or more in between) is unlikely to make the problem worse provided no tear is visible on an MRI...

Ffeed8e7a72936133bfc07ecc5ad54c6

(15)

on December 15, 2011
at 06:15 AM

He hasn't been able to study since this summer so there are no repetitive movements (such as writing, tennis etc.). He actually isn't able to write by hand or computer but uses a speech recognition program and a neck mouse (which then causes the neck to hurt again).

Ffeed8e7a72936133bfc07ecc5ad54c6

(15)

on December 15, 2011
at 06:15 AM

He has been in physiotherapy where they've done a lot of stuff, none of that helped. He doesn't want the cortizone because that only treats the symptom, not the cause. He doesn't exercise at the moment at all because exercise makes it worse. And he has tried a lot of different stuff, he's really, really committed, but nothing helps. That's why I'm beginning to suspect that it could be something else, especially when there pain in the neck and the groin too. He tells that sometimes it's easy to tell what has caused the pain (like doing the exercises) but sometimes it's plain unexplained.

  • Ffeed8e7a72936133bfc07ecc5ad54c6

    asked by

    (15)
  • Views
    1K
  • Last Activity
    1430D AGO
Frontpage book

Get FREE instant access to our Paleo For Beginners Guide & 15 FREE Recipes!

3 Answers

1
D8c04730b5d016a839b3c5b932bf59dd

on December 15, 2011
at 06:34 AM

So, are you saying he's not yet eating paleo? If he's tried everything else he's willing to try, why not try paleo? 30 days, full on, why not?

I have a genetic condition that makes my collagen not form properly (Ehlers Danlos Syndrome). I love paleo because I get to be as healthy as I can, given that I can't really exercise. Because my ligaments are loose, all my joints spontaneously (totally randomly, actually) dislocate or subluxate (partially dislocate) at their own will. This also causes lots of random pain.

It's frequently mis-diagnosed, or totally unrecognized; in part, because it's rare (1 in 5,000). It's less often recognized in men. My first diagnosis was fibromyalgia.

Other thoughts: Cortisone. Perhaps it would be useful to treat the symptoms to get a break from the pain. That could help diagnose the source, or give him a break so the therapy could work.
Also, warm water therapy pool (as opposed to just exercises). Has he been tested for nerve conduction, etc.? Chiropractic is my other thought. Does wonders to keep me put together.

Ffeed8e7a72936133bfc07ecc5ad54c6

(15)

on December 15, 2011
at 09:07 AM

He's not eating paleo but I suggested it yesterday for the first time. I just have to be careful not to step outside my expertise, I'm an occupational therapist and I work for the city so it's baby steps :-) But reducing inflammation by diet was exactly what I talked with him. Your condition sounds evil too, happy to hear paleo helps! Have to google that. Warm water therapy is worth trying as well!

293ba4c95d190bc616b27d85b10d705a

(661)

on December 15, 2011
at 01:06 PM

Eds sucks so much!!! :(

0
293ba4c95d190bc616b27d85b10d705a

(661)

on December 15, 2011
at 01:17 PM

okay, i have eds so i'll just say what worked for me.

checking rbc magnesium and b vitamins. and vit d

strengthening CORE muscles..otherwise your spine is holding you up,leading to to nerve irritation strengthening my deep neck flexors, chin tucks. foreward head posture is very irritating! stabilizing my shoulders with floor exercises. then my pec muscles are less irritated, and less pressure on ulnar and radial (?) nerves i believe.

293ba4c95d190bc616b27d85b10d705a

(661)

on December 15, 2011
at 07:23 PM

no problem!! nerve pain is completely debilitating!

Ffeed8e7a72936133bfc07ecc5ad54c6

(15)

on December 15, 2011
at 06:36 PM

Thanks Holly, useful advice! I'll see those with him.

D8c04730b5d016a839b3c5b932bf59dd

(823)

on December 29, 2011
at 03:47 AM

Hay, Holly, yep EDS certainly sucks. Nice to run into you here! Magnesium is AMAZING. I could not live without my epsom salts baths. I recently started magnesium supplements too. My intestines aren't crazy about it, but boy my muscles liked it a lot!

0
25b139cc1954456d9ea469e40f984cd3

on December 15, 2011
at 06:08 AM

Have you tried braces, cortisone injections, PRP therapy, shockwave therapy etc.? What is your exercise regimen? Some exercises (tennis, hammer curls) are obvious causes...

25b139cc1954456d9ea469e40f984cd3

on December 15, 2011
at 08:34 AM

I have had all of the above, apparently unrelated--tendonitis in elbows; budging disc in neck, torn labrum in hips...not to mention other stuff...

Ffeed8e7a72936133bfc07ecc5ad54c6

(15)

on December 15, 2011
at 06:15 AM

He has been in physiotherapy where they've done a lot of stuff, none of that helped. He doesn't want the cortizone because that only treats the symptom, not the cause. He doesn't exercise at the moment at all because exercise makes it worse. And he has tried a lot of different stuff, he's really, really committed, but nothing helps. That's why I'm beginning to suspect that it could be something else, especially when there pain in the neck and the groin too. He tells that sometimes it's easy to tell what has caused the pain (like doing the exercises) but sometimes it's plain unexplained.

Ffeed8e7a72936133bfc07ecc5ad54c6

(15)

on December 15, 2011
at 09:11 AM

They show a little swelling around the epicondylitis area which fits the diagnosis. He also has a little prolapse in C7-TH1 but it's not pressing the nerves. I'll have a word with him again about the cortizone. And interesting to hear about your problem tho not a nice one for you. Just wondering isn't it quite rare that a epicondylitis doesn't get better after 5-6 years...

25b139cc1954456d9ea469e40f984cd3

on December 15, 2011
at 08:32 AM

Has he had MRIs? What do they show? Cortisone can be very effective for elbow pain, and if used once (or twice, with 1 year or more in between) is unlikely to make the problem worse provided no tear is visible on an MRI...

Ffeed8e7a72936133bfc07ecc5ad54c6

(15)

on December 15, 2011
at 06:15 AM

He hasn't been able to study since this summer so there are no repetitive movements (such as writing, tennis etc.). He actually isn't able to write by hand or computer but uses a speech recognition program and a neck mouse (which then causes the neck to hurt again).

25b139cc1954456d9ea469e40f984cd3

on December 16, 2011
at 06:29 AM

Surgery may be an option...

Answer Question


Get FREE instant access to our
Paleo For Beginners Guide & 15 FREE Recipes!