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Does the Paleo community embrace homosexuality/bisexuality?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created May 11, 2012 at 10:36 PM

I have many homosexual and bisexual friends who are vegan and interested in the paleo/primal way of life, but were turned off by all of the threads (on other paleo/primal forums, mind you) about diet/biology/genetics/bodyfat/hunting/boobs (you name it), in regards to the basic and seemingly only function of humans: reproduction.

As a bisexual woman, childless, happily married to a man, I try to steer them towards other positive paleo conversations about health, mental well-being, etc., but they couldn't get past all the "breeding" fooforah.

How can I reassure them that "paleo" is open and accepting?

I think that their problem is that there are many prominent and famous gay vegans and the vegan community is very vocal about supporting gay rights. No, I don't think sexual-orientation has anything to do with diet, but I also know that, unfortunately, in their view, hunting and meat-eating is linked to certain anti-gay, right-wing nut-jobs.

40b242249739aace3d136d1e7f120ae7

on December 22, 2013
at 03:17 PM

Oh please. Communities form around ideas and lifestyles, no matter big or small. Paleo followers have our forums (already a form of community in itself), we come to each other for advice and ideas, we generally have similar political views about food (we're aware of Monsanto and BigAgra), and yes we ARE a "community". Homophobia/racism/sexism has everything to do with communities. The OP was asking about the paleo COMMUNITY, not the paleo diet.

40b242249739aace3d136d1e7f120ae7

on December 22, 2013
at 03:11 PM

100% Correct, it's funny how people holler about how homosexuality threads are irrelevant to paleo (a passive aggressive form of trying to censor something) but then the ongoing "what are you attracted to, guys?" question is going hot right now.

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on May 11, 2012
at 10:46 PM

Re-read the part where I talk about all of the paleo threads that link health and diet to "reproduction."

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on May 11, 2012
at 10:45 PM

Paleo is a choice if you want to be paleo you can be paleo. I am straight as it gets and I still battle with convincing people its a good thing. Obviously its open and accepting to the paleo community...

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on May 11, 2012
at 10:45 PM

Well, from reading I've done, homosexuality/bisexuality has definite "uses" evolutionarily speaking... and it's certainly something we see in many cultures and even other species...

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82b2aff892ca37c7a358f6a219ee4b5a

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on May 11, 2012
at 10:44 PM

Honestly what does this have to do with being paleo?

26b0f1261d1a0d916825bd0deeb96a21

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on May 11, 2012
at 10:46 PM

Re-read the part where I talk about all of the paleo threads that link health and diet to "reproduction."

82b2aff892ca37c7a358f6a219ee4b5a

(105)

on May 11, 2012
at 10:45 PM

Paleo is a choice if you want to be paleo you can be paleo. I am straight as it gets and I still battle with convincing people its a good thing. Obviously its open and accepting to the paleo community...

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on December 22, 2013
at 02:51 PM

There's no such thing as a Paleo Lifestyle Guide that says what those who eat a Paleo, or Paleo like diet (primal, bulletproof, perfect health diet, etc.) should follow morally. (Morally in the sense of whether or not to treat other fellow humans as equals.)

In the sense that there is an intersection between those who follow religious dogma to the point of believing that the earth is literally 5000 years old, that dinosaur bones are the devil trying to trick man, who claim a paleo diet is false because there's no such thing as evolution - those folks are anti-gay because "the bible says so" - then, you can have some correlation of intolerance. Beyond that it's an open field of the full spectrum.

tl;dr - there's no correlation between eating paleo and tolerating other humans, any more than there is between eating paleo and owning a TV, being republic, democrat, libertarian, objectivist, socialist, communist, anarchist, or monarchist... preferring the color blue vs green vs octarine, prefering cats to dogs, growing a beard vs shaving, driving a specific brand of car/motorcycle/bike, etc.

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on December 22, 2013
at 10:34 AM

In my mind, I don't think that there exists such a thing as "the paleo community". There exists a paleo diet, (with many, many variations), perhaps a paleo lifestlye which goes along with that, and which may or may not include folks of varying sexual orientations. Being homophobic (or for that matter its opposite: homophilic?) has nothing to do with one's Blood Sugar level or what is in one's stomach at the moment being digested. It appears to be an ingrained psycho-emotional attitude, much like racial prejudice. I don;t recall having ever read anything degrading on this forum vis-??-vis someone's sexual orientation. Should "the Paleo Community" create positive advertising in relation to sexual orientation?

40b242249739aace3d136d1e7f120ae7

on December 22, 2013
at 03:17 PM

Oh please. Communities form around ideas and lifestyles, no matter big or small. Paleo followers have our forums (already a form of community in itself), we come to each other for advice and ideas, we generally have similar political views about food (we're aware of Monsanto and BigAgra), and yes we ARE a "community". Homophobia/racism/sexism has everything to do with communities. The OP was asking about the paleo COMMUNITY, not the paleo diet.

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on December 22, 2013
at 10:30 AM

As a childless women with no plans to have any, I don't find the talk about reproduction at all alienating. Whether or not I'm going to have children myself, I'd be disappointed to find out that everyone else had decided not to and that the species was about to die out! I think it's a wonderful thing that people are putting real thought into what it takes to carry and raise a child in a way that's optimally healthful. Take a look at how many people churn out kids by accident, don't look after themselves at all during pregnancy much less think of the baby they're carrying (I was floored by the junkfood diet of a pregnant woman that I work with recently, and unfortunately there ARE still idiots out there who continue to smoke throughout), then decline to breastfeed and immediately put the kid on factory 'milk'. It's frightening.

I think whether you're gay, straight, have children or not, plan to or not, we should be pleased that this kind of conversation is happening. It affects us all and the people we love.

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on December 22, 2013
at 10:07 AM

As a lesbian paleo person and instructor in college classes on LGBTQ issues, I want to add my two cents.

I like the question:

"How can I reassure them that "paleo" is open and accepting?"

Having read the above responses and some other posts on this site, my response is that you cannot assure LGBTQ people that the paleo community is open and accepting.

Many people on this website make assumptions about sexuality and gender based on their interpretation of paleo lifestyle. The question of "natural" sexual behavior has been used against LGBTQ people to justify many forms of exclusion and mistreatment, historically and currently. That's also true of some posts here.

I love that people on this forum are supportive, inquisitive and innovative about health. I would tell my friends about that unique and valuable aspect of this site.

To the people who ask "why is this post relevant?" I ask: Why are people on this site eager to vote up posts that generalize about the gender and sexuality of cave dwellers and eager to vote down or even censor a question about homosexuality?

40b242249739aace3d136d1e7f120ae7

on December 22, 2013
at 03:11 PM

100% Correct, it's funny how people holler about how homosexuality threads are irrelevant to paleo (a passive aggressive form of trying to censor something) but then the ongoing "what are you attracted to, guys?" question is going hot right now.

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40b242249739aace3d136d1e7f120ae7

on December 22, 2013
at 03:26 AM

To all the people here who are all "THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PALEO!!"... actually yeah, it does matter because paleo isn't just a lifestyle/foodchoice but also a community thanks to like-minded people coming together. It matters how welcome certain minorities feel within a community, and minorities who definitely could've benefitted from the wisdom of this community may be put off due to the implied hostility or the feeling of being 'left out'. That's why a lot of female gamers complain about male-oriented videogames, non-twinkie gays feel left out of the gay community, and gay/bisexual/non-white/low income people might feel left out of the paleo groups.

Things like this matter, don't pretend it doesn't, and I've seen A LOT of racial/class struggles across all "communities" and Paleo isn't immune from people's natural instinct to fight eachother.

For the answer (I know there's probably a lot of interested gay people googling "gay and paleo community" so for their sake I am reviving this thread for a while), I find that paleo people, military, and hunter types are actually more tolerant than other groups, believe it or not. They don't have the luxury to be hypocrites like "liberals" who go "but I went to a liberal college, I can't possibly be homophobic". However, you shouldn't care if a community "includes" you in or not, because when you're a minority you don't have the luxury of waiting for someone to fit you in. You have to just walk in and get what you need, because no one else will do it for you. You don't need to tell everyone that you're gay, but if you're queer, then you're here, and people better get used to it.

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on May 11, 2012
at 10:51 PM

With the recent endorsement from The President concerning marriage and same sex couples, I'm sure more people than ever are trying to figure out how they feel without being told how the SHOULD feel from every news outlet on the planet. To me, homosexuality is normal in the animal kingdom (which some people just can't except that we are animals) and has existed since the dawn of humans, so at least to me, homosexuality is old, Old...OLD news...and what could be more Paleo than that. Truth.

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on May 11, 2012
at 10:48 PM

I would think it would be more about the "diet" and one's overall health then their sexual preference. This question [in my mind at least] is like if someone asked the vegan community or the video game industry if they were okay with the LGBT community....what does it have to do with anything relating to it?

And last time I checked, it's completely natural to be gay/bisexual. I'm sure there were gay cavemen/women. From a "natural" point of view, there would be no conflict.

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on May 11, 2012
at 10:47 PM

I agree, what does that have to do with Paloe. But I would hope/guess that the caveman was not as judgmental as we are now.

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