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Does anyone here follow a high carb paleo diet?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created February 23, 2011 at 5:46 PM

If so, why? What is your experience on it, and what constitutes the bulk of your carbohydrate intake. Obviously those with weight issues don't, but how about others with a "healthy metabolism"

Bfa1c9eacfc94a1b62f3a39b574480c6

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on July 27, 2012
at 05:34 AM

Recently I've been kind alike Nance. Some meat n fat for breakfast and then some clean, evolutionary appropriate starch and some fruit as desired for most of the day (maybe some protein), and I feel like I run happier and a bit leaner?

Dfada6fe4982ab3b7557172f20632da8

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on December 16, 2011
at 04:38 PM

Not during an ice age.

0ecdb1a4bdfd5e5957eaa2a1a90ea2fe

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on July 08, 2011
at 07:43 PM

Right, Joan. Which is why I said some may disagree ... chocolate versus vanilla ... or Robb Wolff vs. Loren Cordain, as the case may be ;-)

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on July 07, 2011
at 08:09 AM

Fruit has been falling off trees for millenia.

8c5533ffe71bd4262fedc7e898ead1ba

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on July 07, 2011
at 08:08 AM

Wow, why so low fat? Mine is 50%, I don't think I could survive on 20%. Sure shows we are all different!

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on July 07, 2011
at 06:58 AM

Enough to be eating 300 g of carbs a day? That doesn't seem based on reality to me. What are these high carb plant foods that you think they could have gathered during the winter months?

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on July 06, 2011
at 12:57 PM

Yes, I did low-starch for two years, part of a SCD-like diet. It's possible I killed off whatever population was causing the issue at the time. I don't have the same IBS symptoms I used to have, which was gas, bloating, and really bad diarrhea.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on July 06, 2011
at 12:57 PM

cool, now i shoot for equal %age of daily cals from carbohydrate and protein, too. I'm doing a 40-40-20 share of protein-carb-fat right now and its working very well. just thought i'd let you know

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on July 06, 2011
at 12:39 PM

That's interesting. I have AS and started on paleo because of Carol Sinclair's "IBS Low-Starch Diet" book, which claims starch is a contributing factor to both IBS-CD and AS (the whole kleb bacteria thing). You've obviously been OK eating starch. Have you ever tried low or no starch?

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on July 06, 2011
at 12:12 PM

Your thinking isn't based on reality. Plant food grows year round in most places.

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

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on July 06, 2011
at 11:52 AM

Starchy tubers could have been eaten by some HG's fairly consistently. I would also disagree that lower is necessarily better when it comes to carbs.

B14dc4aa1ddefbec3bc09550428ee493

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on July 06, 2011
at 11:17 AM

To answer the question more directly, no, I don't eat high carb. I range between about 60-100 g per day with a goal of going up to around 150 g for weight maintenance.

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on July 06, 2011
at 09:59 AM

and, my paleo diet consists of both rice and potatos... just sayin...

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on July 06, 2011
at 05:36 AM

Low-carb is lame. It's a myth and maybe even a crime to think that you can't lose weight eating even a ton of carbs. Carbs will create a healthy metabolism.

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on July 06, 2011
at 04:10 AM

I eat a lot of fruit. Several times per week, I start my day with a fat/protein breakfast and for the rest of the day I eat fruit as desired. I'm gradually losing weight (much still to go) and feel terrific. I eat raw veggies too, but mostly fruit.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on July 05, 2011
at 10:59 PM

Never had palpitations, generally my meals treat me very well. I eat a lot of salt with the potatoes which balances out the potassium. I would just try to build up to it, maybe try something besides potatoes if they keep giving you problems. I did the 811 raw vegan diet at one time which I credit for giving me the amazing ability to scarf down mounds of food without any discomfort.

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on July 05, 2011
at 10:10 PM

I am also extremely active, I play a lot of soccer and have a very active job, I rarely, if ever, sit down. On top of that, I am looking to gain at least 15 pounds of muscle. I am trying to aim for a similar amount of calories and ideally, similar macros, but I always fall short. I have tried eating close to five pounds of potatoes daily, but I began feeling weird palpitations, maybe it was due to the high potassium intake. Have you felt similar symptoms before?

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on July 05, 2011
at 09:21 PM

When you answer someone directly like this, it's usually considered better form to post it as a quick comment underneath rather than start a separate answer. :)

Efc949694a31043bfce9ec86e8235cd7

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on July 05, 2011
at 08:32 PM

"Moderation in all things, including moderation." - Petronius :)

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on July 05, 2011
at 08:16 PM

yeah, that's where I get lots of my carbs

Eea4c0f072bb5caa74c1fbe6dfab5f46

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on February 25, 2011
at 05:43 PM

It depends on which "paleo" you're describing: The science, the fad or the practices of isolated peoples -- both the Kitavans and Polynesians ate somewhere in the vicinity of like 60% starchy carbs? So what's really "paleo"?

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on February 24, 2011
at 09:32 PM

Robin, you're so right! My mom uses this one on me all the time: "A little wheat, in moderation, is fine! Why won't you eat my lasagna!?" lol

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on February 24, 2011
at 02:43 AM

@Matthew - don't start me! Moderation: a much abused word! "Everything is OK in moderation" is the excuse for just about every dietary evil out there :)

0adda19045a3641edac0008364b91110

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on February 24, 2011
at 12:28 AM

I use to consume about 500 grams and never gained a pound.

0adda19045a3641edac0008364b91110

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on February 24, 2011
at 12:27 AM

High carb as in the bulk of diet consisting of carbohydrate. Anywhere from 50-60%.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

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on February 23, 2011
at 08:06 PM

Moderation? I think that is too sensible to ever catch on :)

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on February 23, 2011
at 07:45 PM

What are you considering high carb? I do ~75 grams per day which is about 20% of my food intake.

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Ac1e55cf06c2180f4008ff01953d10dd

on February 23, 2011
at 07:36 PM

I do have potatoes, sweet potatoes, bananas and apples on a regular basis, as well as squash, carrots, etc. I think of my diet as balanced since I do have lots of meat, fish and eggs. I was able to lose some twenty pounds (all I needed to) on this diet, over a four month period. I feel great and I recommend a moderate carb, moderate fat and protein diet to everybody!

7e65e7c3794834b3526b77f92cabee55

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on February 24, 2011
at 02:43 AM

@Matthew - don't start me! Moderation: a much abused word! "Everything is OK in moderation" is the excuse for just about every dietary evil out there :)

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

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on February 23, 2011
at 08:06 PM

Moderation? I think that is too sensible to ever catch on :)

61b801de5dc345b557cd4623d4a4f26b

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on February 24, 2011
at 09:32 PM

Robin, you're so right! My mom uses this one on me all the time: "A little wheat, in moderation, is fine! Why won't you eat my lasagna!?" lol

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on July 05, 2011
at 08:16 PM

yeah, that's where I get lots of my carbs

Efc949694a31043bfce9ec86e8235cd7

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on July 05, 2011
at 08:32 PM

"Moderation in all things, including moderation." - Petronius :)

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7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

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on July 06, 2011
at 02:08 AM

I eat high-carb. Not sure of percentage of calories because I don't track that closely but for sure at least half my calories usually come from starchy foods. I eat a ton of sweet potatoes, white potatoes, and white rice a few times a week. Also squash, parsnips, carrots, etc. I feel great eating this way, have lots of energy, maintain my weight and everything. Higher fat just makes me feel tired and heavy and gross, and my stomach HATES it. I think it also works well for me because I'm small and don't need huge amounts of calories. I can see how it would be hard to get like 4000 cal/day of mostly starch without adding a lot of fat. I'm really active, have a physical job, and walk or bike everywhere so I really don't see any reason to worry about my carb intake. Plus I think panicking over insulin and small amounts of carbs (if you're healthy, I mean) has turned into a sort of Paleo CW (to use a term I hate) and it annoys me since I sometimes see the same types of people making fun of non-paleo people who worry about small amounts of saturated fat.

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667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on July 06, 2011
at 01:41 AM

I eat high carb. 40% of my calories are from carbohydrate. All starch. Sweet potatoes and white potatoes and the carbs in yogurt and cottage cheese.

Gram wise I usually do about 200-250 grams of carb per day.

I eat this way because i am trying to gain strength and gain weight. I am trying to grow so Im eating a lot.

I feel great on it: energy throughout the day, don't need to sleep more than 8 hours (but on LC I routinely slept 9), digestion is solid, eating is very enjoyable again, etc.

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E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on July 05, 2011
at 08:25 PM

Right now my macro nutrient ratios break down to about 55% carbs 35% fat 15% protein. I eat around 4500-5000 cals so I usually get around 600g carbs mainly from white potatoes.

I find this works great for my lifestyle which is extremely active. I usually end up walking at least 10 miles a day due to being car less plus lots of surfing which usually entails a couple miles of biking followed by a 4 hour surf session. On top of this I lift weights and do other random stuff. Probably end up burning about 1000 cals on a typical day. I'm also trying to gain an additional 20-25 pounds(I'm currently ~175 6'2").

If you live an active lifestyle lots of carbs are the way to go imo, if not YMMV.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on July 05, 2011
at 10:59 PM

Never had palpitations, generally my meals treat me very well. I eat a lot of salt with the potatoes which balances out the potassium. I would just try to build up to it, maybe try something besides potatoes if they keep giving you problems. I did the 811 raw vegan diet at one time which I credit for giving me the amazing ability to scarf down mounds of food without any discomfort.

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

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on July 05, 2011
at 10:10 PM

I am also extremely active, I play a lot of soccer and have a very active job, I rarely, if ever, sit down. On top of that, I am looking to gain at least 15 pounds of muscle. I am trying to aim for a similar amount of calories and ideally, similar macros, but I always fall short. I have tried eating close to five pounds of potatoes daily, but I began feeling weird palpitations, maybe it was due to the high potassium intake. Have you felt similar symptoms before?

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9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on July 05, 2011
at 08:20 PM

I listed some good starches here: http://paleohacks.com/questions/31667/what-are-some-nutritious-starch-options/31668#31668

The ones I eat include yams, sweet potatoes, plantains, bananas, berries, and chestnuts. I get around 100 grams of carbs a day. I try to use resistant starch and some fermented starch. It amazes me that the ave American gets like 300 grams!

I have IBS-CD and this starch seems to be important for getting rid of the "roller coaster" digestion issues that I get if my diet is too high or low in fat or vegetable fiber.

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on July 06, 2011
at 12:39 PM

That's interesting. I have AS and started on paleo because of Carol Sinclair's "IBS Low-Starch Diet" book, which claims starch is a contributing factor to both IBS-CD and AS (the whole kleb bacteria thing). You've obviously been OK eating starch. Have you ever tried low or no starch?

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on July 06, 2011
at 12:57 PM

Yes, I did low-starch for two years, part of a SCD-like diet. It's possible I killed off whatever population was causing the issue at the time. I don't have the same IBS symptoms I used to have, which was gas, bloating, and really bad diarrhea.

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on July 06, 2011
at 09:33 PM

I seem to have a healthy metabolism (in that I've always been thin and lean) and am active, but too many carbs, paleo or not (I have by far the worst reaction to wheat though) still mess me up. My dad and I are both thin, lean people with a history of reactive hypoglycemia symptoms (but no testing of actual blood sugar levels, or official diagnosis). We both react horribly to any sort of fasting (migraine, shaking, brain fog, inability to speak clearly), I never felt well in ketosis, and both of us have had lifelong problems with 'crashing' after eating lots of carbs.

I really should get a blood sugar meter.

I say I eat moderate carbs, I don't log my intake any more but I'm pretty sure I get about 100-150g carbs most days since I eat a consistant diet. And when I've gotten more cardio than usual I will make an effort to eat more... but I simply can't eat too many grams of carbs, especially in one sitting, or I 'crash'. 2-4 hours after too many carbs I get extreme exhaustion and sleepiness, sweating, and generally feel rather ill. This went on my whole life. With a more moderate carb intake I NEVER feel sleepy anymore, until I lay down in bed at night.

Most days I walk and ride my bike a few miles (lots of hills around here) since I don't drive, and do power yoga or lift weights. Plus at work I am constantly walking, lifting, carrying, shelving items, and cutting giant blocks of hard cheese which isn't always easy. I would think that would be enough to burn up lots more carbs than the 200g max I take in.

Suggestions welcome!

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B14dc4aa1ddefbec3bc09550428ee493

on July 06, 2011
at 11:14 AM

I guess my understanding of what constitutes a paleo diet is different from many. My understanding is that it's low to moderate carb by default because paleo man was a hunter gatherer and wasn't eating a lot of high carb foods because he didn't have access to them. He certainly didn't eat them year round like we do today. Unless you are an athlete or do hard physical labor I think you are probably better off healthwise to eat fewer, not more carbs.

B14dc4aa1ddefbec3bc09550428ee493

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on July 06, 2011
at 11:17 AM

To answer the question more directly, no, I don't eat high carb. I range between about 60-100 g per day with a goal of going up to around 150 g for weight maintenance.

B14dc4aa1ddefbec3bc09550428ee493

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on July 07, 2011
at 06:58 AM

Enough to be eating 300 g of carbs a day? That doesn't seem based on reality to me. What are these high carb plant foods that you think they could have gathered during the winter months?

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

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on July 06, 2011
at 12:12 PM

Your thinking isn't based on reality. Plant food grows year round in most places.

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

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on July 06, 2011
at 11:52 AM

Starchy tubers could have been eaten by some HG's fairly consistently. I would also disagree that lower is necessarily better when it comes to carbs.

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on July 07, 2011
at 08:09 AM

Fruit has been falling off trees for millenia.

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on December 16, 2011
at 04:38 PM

Not during an ice age.

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on July 06, 2011
at 09:16 AM

Not sure your definition of "high" carb. I definitely eat way less carbs than when I was vegan. But I eat more calories as carbs (~30%) than protein (~20%) though I'm hoping to make those two more equal in the coming month.

My carbs are vegetables (incl. sweet potatoes) and fruit.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on July 06, 2011
at 12:57 PM

cool, now i shoot for equal %age of daily cals from carbohydrate and protein, too. I'm doing a 40-40-20 share of protein-carb-fat right now and its working very well. just thought i'd let you know

8c5533ffe71bd4262fedc7e898ead1ba

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on July 07, 2011
at 08:08 AM

Wow, why so low fat? Mine is 50%, I don't think I could survive on 20%. Sure shows we are all different!

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on July 06, 2011
at 03:54 AM

I eat anything I thrive on. I am grateful to be lactose tolerant, and free of celiac disease and gluten allergies. I'm here because I consider paleo to be a behavior. I am active and I stay hungry, and that's 95% of paleo IMHO.

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on July 05, 2011
at 08:40 PM

I eat sweet potatoes regularly, and bananas, occasionally, mostly because I do heavy lifts with HIIT about 4 times a week. In the beginning of the diet I was purposely LC but I found that it interrupted my sleep. I also eat a little white rice when its served at restaurants, since its just starch. When bread is served, I take a bite or two, but my rule is that there has to be almost as much butter as bread. Sometimes I buy sweet potato chips, which are fried in seed oil, but I only eat them with liver pate, which I find to be an acceptable tradeoff. Fwiw, I never count how many grams I'm consuming, nor do I pay attention to macro nutrient ratios, but I know that a medium sized sweet potato has about 30 grams of carbs, so eating one a day doesn't really put me in the high carb paleo category, even though it feels like it, because a whole sweet potato looks pretty big in mashed form.

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on February 23, 2011
at 09:56 PM

I have a balanced "paleo" type diet, with about 750-1000 calories per day from potatoes, wild rice, buckwheat, and fruits and other vegetables.

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on February 23, 2011
at 08:14 PM

I think it's a good idea to scale your carb intake upward with an increase in glycogen depletion. If you suddenly have an increase in high-draw activity (in general or for a day) then, assuming you want to keep your glycogen tank topped off, you'll want to have a commensurate increase in starch intake. Clean (low-fructose) starches include white potatoes and rice. You'll know if you're overshooting because fat loss will stall or reverse. Adjust accordingly.

It's definitely possible that you could ingest 3-400g of carbs and not gain a gram of fat if you actually have the activity to balance it out.

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on February 24, 2011
at 12:28 AM

I use to consume about 500 grams and never gained a pound.

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on February 23, 2011
at 07:22 PM

Well primarily the Paleo diet is not really high carb. But if you ate plenty of vegetables and fruit, it wouldn't exactly be that low the carb intake.

Or you could eat starchy tubers which are natural - sweet potatoes, bananas?

Potatoes are natural too, but they wouldn't be on a low carb diet.

What kind of foods were you exactly proposing to add to this "high carb" paleo diet?

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on February 25, 2011
at 05:43 PM

It depends on which "paleo" you're describing: The science, the fad or the practices of isolated peoples -- both the Kitavans and Polynesians ate somewhere in the vicinity of like 60% starchy carbs? So what's really "paleo"?

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0ecdb1a4bdfd5e5957eaa2a1a90ea2fe

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on July 05, 2011
at 08:14 PM

Jay, a Paleo diet does not consist of wheat or rice and usually not even potatoes, although some experts will disagree on this one ... just sayin ...

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on July 06, 2011
at 09:59 AM

and, my paleo diet consists of both rice and potatos... just sayin...

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on July 05, 2011
at 09:21 PM

When you answer someone directly like this, it's usually considered better form to post it as a quick comment underneath rather than start a separate answer. :)

0ecdb1a4bdfd5e5957eaa2a1a90ea2fe

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on July 08, 2011
at 07:43 PM

Right, Joan. Which is why I said some may disagree ... chocolate versus vanilla ... or Robb Wolff vs. Loren Cordain, as the case may be ;-)

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