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Do you think the label "Paleo" is misleading?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created May 31, 2012 at 2:39 AM

Please share your thoughts on this label "Paleo" and suggest a name for your lifestyle. I personally don't like this term because:

  1. We have no idea what people actually ate in the Paleolithic period. We only have speculations mainly based on studying hunter-gatherer societies and fossils. Also, many people who identify themselves as "Paleo" don't eat like hunter-gatherers. So the label/term is misleading.

  2. This label sounds too much like a fad diet to people without background knowledge. Also, this term will not be taken seriously by the scientific community.

  3. I think what most of us eat are closer to traditional diets promoted by Weston Price. Some of our shared interests with WAPF are bone broth, grassfed products, raw dairy (if tolerated), and whole foods. We share neutrality to non-glutenous sources of carbohydrates such as rice and tubers, and attempts to eliminate food additives, chemicals, etc. Paleo and WAPF have the same view on fats. I think the only striking difference is our emphasis on fitness.

  4. I think the term Paleo does not fully convey our emphasis on biochemistry, physiology and genetics. I think we need a term that demonstrates our evidence-based way of eating/living.

Okay, now when I hear the word "Paleo doctors," it conjures up a picture of a caveman with primitive tools trying to perform surgery...like a quack doctor.

I need a label in order to easily and sufficiently explain what I do to others in case they are interested. I also would like to get the scientific/medical communities interested in it in hope to introduce changes in public health to prevent obesity and related medical conditions. I want to write about "Paleo" in my personal statement for medical school. I would not want to refer to it as just Paleo, which conjures up the wrong image in a lot of people and the term is limiting.

I have heard it being referred to as "evolutionary diet" or as being part of "functional medicine." But these two still are insufficient.

D1728f99db66ff91d695a6df5cd38b02

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on May 31, 2012
at 09:40 PM

trjones- you speak the truth.

D1728f99db66ff91d695a6df5cd38b02

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on May 31, 2012
at 09:38 PM

I actually really like your explanation Blitherakt. I think it should be said I follow paleo-x. This would possibly reduce bickering over 'that's not paleo' because there are a bunch of different ways to go about it. As long as no one invents the paleo-grains+seed oils+high n-6 version. :) It is a complicated system, and I haven't fully appreciated that many different ways can be all still be 'correct' until now.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

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on May 31, 2012
at 07:34 PM

But we need to start somewhere to fix the system.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

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on May 31, 2012
at 07:29 PM

the former, lostgoonie.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on May 31, 2012
at 06:24 PM

@gydle - not true. Look up the picture of red junglefowl. Same guys!

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

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on May 31, 2012
at 06:22 PM

VB good point - but I thought factory farmed chickens bore little resemblance to wild fowl in fact, and in the US that's what most people eat. It also seems that most paleo folk appear to eat a lot of grass-fed beef and/or bacon - not saying everyone, but.. it is considered "paleo".

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on May 31, 2012
at 06:11 PM

Also-- maybe focusing for your label on the whole foods/gluten free/sugar free aspect of paleo would help. I find medical professionals I've dealt with are a little more accepting of how I eat if I say that.

E36cb992cf0a5eba8b97a359c15f38b3

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on May 31, 2012
at 06:09 PM

I generally use "ancestral," "whole foods," or "traditional" when I talk about my diet. People can take from that what they want. Granted, I am not incredibly strict and would generally put myself somewhere between strict paleo and WAPF-ish. It's too complicated to talk about whether I'm "Swiss paleo" or strict or auto-immune protocol or traditionally-prepared-legume-eating/gluten-free/dairy-free/some rice/no fruit/OMGSHUTUP whatever. I'm not really any of those, so whole foods/traditional fits best for terminology.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on May 31, 2012
at 05:03 PM

Paleo crackers? http://paleohacks.com/questions/123049/any-recommendations-for-non-wheat-minimal-crackers#axzz1wSvOwwnK

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on May 31, 2012
at 05:01 PM

+1 for the large font!

Cc3ce03985eac5ebcbb95fc2329f13b0

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on May 31, 2012
at 04:40 PM

I guess my thinking is that, like most things, there's an umbrella term that people further sub-categorize under. Like "Leftist" is an umbrella term, that people further specify by identify as Marxist, Troksyist, Stalinist, etc. Such variations are individual, and no matter how we each qualify our specific terms or ideologies, no one term will provide enough specifics for everything. You'll still have to explain it, answer painful and redundant questions, and risk looking liking an obsessive-compulsive diet cultist, because it so goes against what people are taught a healthy diet entails.

5249df0c1098a8ea4607cc305f0cbdcf

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on May 31, 2012
at 04:16 PM

Whats worse - "literally dying from the f*Cked up system" or the word "Paleo" not being 100% accurate? :-)

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on May 31, 2012
at 03:28 PM

@gydle I do not eat anything coconut. Sheep and chickens evolved very very little. In fact, you cannot tell apart a chicken from a red junglefowl - they are like IDENTICAL. I agree on the "whole foods approach" but there is a store that branded that name already.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on May 31, 2012
at 03:18 PM

Thank you, Matt, for concisely saying what my pissed of rantings were about.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on May 31, 2012
at 02:26 PM

This whole thread reminds me of every meeting at work. Every academic has a "better way" of describing something or arguing something, when they are arguing the same SIDE of the same POINT. Gaaahhhhhhh...

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on May 31, 2012
at 02:26 PM

Limiting? Misleading? Not at all. Referring to paleo with the most breadth, it's a diet that harkens back to a less processed way of eating. Sure we may argue over the details, and that's what a lot of PH is, intellectual masturbation. In the end, you're getting hung up on a word.

35ba1f50dad25c85ac1aa2599fe5c5cb

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on May 31, 2012
at 02:17 PM

But how would scientists and policy makers immediately know what you're talking about right now? Do you mean HFLC? Do you mean a paleo weight loss program that includes intermittent fasting? Do you mean a protocol tweaked to improve an autoimmune disease? Or a eating program intended to heal gut issues? Are you talking about a wholistic approach that includes ideas about movement and rest, or just a diet? The name isn't your main problem, it's the diversity of approaches that go under the umbrella of "paleo".

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

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on May 31, 2012
at 01:53 PM

I am just looking for ideas. I am not arguing. This is personally important to me because I want to take it beyond the individual level. I am raising questions to see if other people have better ideas. How is this question any different/less significant than people asking if their poop is normal?

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

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on May 31, 2012
at 01:40 PM

Paleo is not focused on fat-burning. Maximized fat-burning ability is just the consequence of this lifestyle. Grain-free diet doesn't include our emphasis on whole, unprocessed foods... Haha yeah the "cool" people are missing out. I like the 'real food' approach like Michael Pollan.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on May 31, 2012
at 01:40 PM

What is misleading about it? For fuck's sake, find something else to focus on. Call it George if you like. Paleo is a lifestyle that is easily adapted to the needs of the individual. This whole thread is ridiculous and you have argued with every comment and suggestion people have put forth.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

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on May 31, 2012
at 01:36 PM

For example, when I hear other umbrella terms like "body parts" or "herbs," I know exactly what they are talking about. When I hear "Paleo," I am confused especially on PaleoHacks.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

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on May 31, 2012
at 01:31 PM

Maybe people will stop fighting if we had a less limiting/misleading term. Maybe people fight because Paleo doesn't mean the same to everyone. While Paleo is supposed to be an umbrella term, it sure doesn't sound like it.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

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on May 31, 2012
at 12:22 PM

It's hard to just do my thing when so many people are literally dying from the f*Cked up system, and when I see obese children at age 5-6... Let's not forget the economic impact of obesity.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

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on May 31, 2012
at 12:10 PM

But I am mainly concerned with how to deliver our Paleo practice to a large crowd in hope to influence public health/policy-making. We need more core scientists involved in it in order to introduce Paleo-based strategies for public health. So scientists/policy-makers can hear the term and immediately know what we are talking about.

4ec0fe4b4aab327f7efa2dfb06b032ff

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on May 31, 2012
at 12:09 PM

"Hipster" pretty much has come to mean anything a specific person doesn't like, or feels self-conscious about.

4ec0fe4b4aab327f7efa2dfb06b032ff

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on May 31, 2012
at 12:07 PM

I heard the same thing about crackers on Robb Wolf's podcast this week. I'd like to meet these cracker people. I've never heard anyone in the paleosphere, or paleos I know in real life, eating any kind of crackers and considering it paleo.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

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on May 31, 2012
at 12:07 PM

I am in the second camp as well. I am also trying to see how to promote "paleo" as a preventive measure in public health. We definitely need a frame of reference if we want our way of eating/lifestyle to appeal to the general public (first to scientists) as a preventive medicine strategy.

4ec0fe4b4aab327f7efa2dfb06b032ff

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on May 31, 2012
at 12:05 PM

"Natural" is pretty much a meaningless term. Kashi advertises itself as "natural", despite being mostly made GM soy and wheat. Most people think bread is the most "natural" food in the world.

4ec0fe4b4aab327f7efa2dfb06b032ff

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on May 31, 2012
at 12:04 PM

Coffeesnob, I'd say don't bother. The antipathy towards paleo has little to do with the name and a lot to do with the fact that it effectively goes against dietary dogma that's been drilled in everyone's brain for the past 40 years. Just do your thing, be happy and don't worry about what others are doing. Anything else is pissing in the wind.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

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on May 31, 2012
at 12:02 PM

Oh yeah I remember learning about middens in my bio 101! But my main concern is many "Paleos" don't eat that way, and that's why I think we need a new name. Don't you think having a new name that describes the general Paleo lifestyle would help people to "get it" more quickly? I think a lot of people are turned off by the impression of the term Paleo.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

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on May 31, 2012
at 11:54 AM

I also think the term ancestral diet sounds better than Paleo. But I want to think of it apart from evolution and in terms of studies of living matter, such as biochem, physio and genetics, etc.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

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on May 31, 2012
at 11:48 AM

Now the question is: is the label hipster misleading?

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

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on May 31, 2012
at 11:48 AM

I am on a "listening to my body" diet. I like it--it's got a spiritual kick to it. Hey but I think "Paleos" and hippies (or hipsters...) have a lot in common as well.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

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on May 31, 2012
at 11:43 AM

That's why I got so confused on PaleoHacks. Before coming to this site, I had a clear idea of what Paleo lifestyle was, and then that got all muddled when I saw what other "Paleos" were doing. I agree that we basically use the term Paleo as just a qualifier, which is pretty meaningless if you ask me...

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

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on May 31, 2012
at 11:35 AM

My crackers are bad at answering questions.

Da20058e445fa4c5ce328132379521b3

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on May 31, 2012
at 11:25 AM

I call my crackers "Bob" not "paleo."

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

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on May 31, 2012
at 10:40 AM

I agree with coffeesnob - our paleolithic ancestors didn't eat domestic livestock and most of them didn't eat coconut products, two things that appear to be staples for a lot of the paleo community. I think a "whole foods approach" is a more accurate label.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on May 31, 2012
at 05:52 AM

My "elaborate" cooking techniques are steaming or baking. Nothing added, almost like during Paleo times. That's it. I don't use bacon or nut butters. I use sea salt. My Paleo person had to have some kind of pot for sure and live near the sea. Everything else is almost the same.

A4216f1b1e1f5ab3815bd91700905081

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on May 31, 2012
at 05:44 AM

My coworkers challenge me regularly with "healthy" options, and I ask "can I eat it raw". It generates many quizzical looks.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

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on May 31, 2012
at 05:18 AM

Okay. Let's say we know what Paleolithic ancestors ate. But the way most of us (at least on this site) eat does not resemble their diet. Most of us incorporate elaborate cooking techniques, salt, processed products like bacon and nut butters, etc. in our diet. But I like your emphasis on natural foods apart from a specific macronutrient ratio.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

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on May 31, 2012
at 04:21 AM

Haha I know it's so loud I am getting a headache.

A4216f1b1e1f5ab3815bd91700905081

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on May 31, 2012
at 04:18 AM

If all caps is shouting, increasing the font size by 300% is screaming...

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

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on May 31, 2012
at 04:18 AM

When did I say anything about gluten-free crackers? I've read Cordain's book.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

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on May 31, 2012
at 03:30 AM

Many of us have adopted the term "ancestral diet" or "ancestral eating" and it seems to work well.

5249df0c1098a8ea4607cc305f0cbdcf

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on May 31, 2012
at 03:19 AM

You could always make up a new one, or distill the "paleo" practice into a very brief 1-2 sentence description.

Da20058e445fa4c5ce328132379521b3

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on May 31, 2012
at 03:08 AM

+1 because I don't particularly like the term either. I actually genuinely don't feel the need to label it anything. It's just what I would prefer to eat.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

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on May 31, 2012
at 03:02 AM

I need a better name because I want to be able to effectively communicate my interests in this lifestyle to professional crowds and general public.

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on May 31, 2012
at 01:03 PM

The problem with the paleo label isn't the label, it's folks insistence that X is paleo while Y is not. And then fighting over it.

Paleo is a big umbrella.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on May 31, 2012
at 01:36 PM

For example, when I hear other umbrella terms like "body parts" or "herbs," I know exactly what they are talking about. When I hear "Paleo," I am confused especially on PaleoHacks.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on May 31, 2012
at 03:18 PM

Thank you, Matt, for concisely saying what my pissed of rantings were about.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on May 31, 2012
at 01:31 PM

Maybe people will stop fighting if we had a less limiting/misleading term. Maybe people fight because Paleo doesn't mean the same to everyone. While Paleo is supposed to be an umbrella term, it sure doesn't sound like it.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on May 31, 2012
at 01:53 PM

I am just looking for ideas. I am not arguing. This is personally important to me because I want to take it beyond the individual level. I am raising questions to see if other people have better ideas. How is this question any different/less significant than people asking if their poop is normal?

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on May 31, 2012
at 02:26 PM

This whole thread reminds me of every meeting at work. Every academic has a "better way" of describing something or arguing something, when they are arguing the same SIDE of the same POINT. Gaaahhhhhhh...

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on May 31, 2012
at 02:26 PM

Limiting? Misleading? Not at all. Referring to paleo with the most breadth, it's a diet that harkens back to a less processed way of eating. Sure we may argue over the details, and that's what a lot of PH is, intellectual masturbation. In the end, you're getting hung up on a word.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on May 31, 2012
at 01:40 PM

What is misleading about it? For fuck's sake, find something else to focus on. Call it George if you like. Paleo is a lifestyle that is easily adapted to the needs of the individual. This whole thread is ridiculous and you have argued with every comment and suggestion people have put forth.

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Cc3ce03985eac5ebcbb95fc2329f13b0

on May 31, 2012
at 04:41 AM

Ehn, I have too many other things to worry about than renaming paleo. Most people don't get it anyways, so my explanations are scanty, and they can research it themselves.

But I think they do have more than just speculation about what people ate. They find garbage middens, and have found bodies with perserved stomach contents. Other fossil and perserved remains can show what animals and plants were available.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middens

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

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on May 31, 2012
at 12:02 PM

Oh yeah I remember learning about middens in my bio 101! But my main concern is many "Paleos" don't eat that way, and that's why I think we need a new name. Don't you think having a new name that describes the general Paleo lifestyle would help people to "get it" more quickly? I think a lot of people are turned off by the impression of the term Paleo.

Cc3ce03985eac5ebcbb95fc2329f13b0

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on May 31, 2012
at 04:40 PM

I guess my thinking is that, like most things, there's an umbrella term that people further sub-categorize under. Like "Leftist" is an umbrella term, that people further specify by identify as Marxist, Troksyist, Stalinist, etc. Such variations are individual, and no matter how we each qualify our specific terms or ideologies, no one term will provide enough specifics for everything. You'll still have to explain it, answer painful and redundant questions, and risk looking liking an obsessive-compulsive diet cultist, because it so goes against what people are taught a healthy diet entails.

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F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on May 31, 2012
at 03:56 AM

Good question. I was thinking about it myself.

I agree that the term "Paleo" is misleading, although I disagree with you on the first issue. We know pretty well what food sources were available at that time - paleobotany and paleobiology are just two disciplines, besides anthropology, that actually cover that topic.

If it were up to me, I would call it "Eating naturally" or "The natural food diet", or even "The natural way of eating". Not sure how well it sounds, but I think it reflects the idea more.


Alternative titles:

The Ancestral Diet

Our Species Diet

The Hunter-Gatherer diet

Your Way to Better Health Diet

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

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on May 31, 2012
at 05:18 AM

Okay. Let's say we know what Paleolithic ancestors ate. But the way most of us (at least on this site) eat does not resemble their diet. Most of us incorporate elaborate cooking techniques, salt, processed products like bacon and nut butters, etc. in our diet. But I like your emphasis on natural foods apart from a specific macronutrient ratio.

4ec0fe4b4aab327f7efa2dfb06b032ff

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on May 31, 2012
at 12:05 PM

"Natural" is pretty much a meaningless term. Kashi advertises itself as "natural", despite being mostly made GM soy and wheat. Most people think bread is the most "natural" food in the world.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on May 31, 2012
at 05:52 AM

My "elaborate" cooking techniques are steaming or baking. Nothing added, almost like during Paleo times. That's it. I don't use bacon or nut butters. I use sea salt. My Paleo person had to have some kind of pot for sure and live near the sea. Everything else is almost the same.

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

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on May 31, 2012
at 06:22 PM

VB good point - but I thought factory farmed chickens bore little resemblance to wild fowl in fact, and in the US that's what most people eat. It also seems that most paleo folk appear to eat a lot of grass-fed beef and/or bacon - not saying everyone, but.. it is considered "paleo".

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

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on May 31, 2012
at 10:40 AM

I agree with coffeesnob - our paleolithic ancestors didn't eat domestic livestock and most of them didn't eat coconut products, two things that appear to be staples for a lot of the paleo community. I think a "whole foods approach" is a more accurate label.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on May 31, 2012
at 06:24 PM

@gydle - not true. Look up the picture of red junglefowl. Same guys!

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on May 31, 2012
at 03:28 PM

@gydle I do not eat anything coconut. Sheep and chickens evolved very very little. In fact, you cannot tell apart a chicken from a red junglefowl - they are like IDENTICAL. I agree on the "whole foods approach" but there is a store that branded that name already.

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5249df0c1098a8ea4607cc305f0cbdcf

on May 31, 2012
at 02:50 AM

Call it whatever you want. Primal / Low Carb / Caveman / **

It's a personal thing-- Why do you need a name for it?

5249df0c1098a8ea4607cc305f0cbdcf

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on May 31, 2012
at 03:19 AM

You could always make up a new one, or distill the "paleo" practice into a very brief 1-2 sentence description.

4ec0fe4b4aab327f7efa2dfb06b032ff

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on May 31, 2012
at 12:04 PM

Coffeesnob, I'd say don't bother. The antipathy towards paleo has little to do with the name and a lot to do with the fact that it effectively goes against dietary dogma that's been drilled in everyone's brain for the past 40 years. Just do your thing, be happy and don't worry about what others are doing. Anything else is pissing in the wind.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on May 31, 2012
at 12:10 PM

But I am mainly concerned with how to deliver our Paleo practice to a large crowd in hope to influence public health/policy-making. We need more core scientists involved in it in order to introduce Paleo-based strategies for public health. So scientists/policy-makers can hear the term and immediately know what we are talking about.

5249df0c1098a8ea4607cc305f0cbdcf

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on May 31, 2012
at 04:16 PM

Whats worse - "literally dying from the f*Cked up system" or the word "Paleo" not being 100% accurate? :-)

35ba1f50dad25c85ac1aa2599fe5c5cb

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on May 31, 2012
at 02:17 PM

But how would scientists and policy makers immediately know what you're talking about right now? Do you mean HFLC? Do you mean a paleo weight loss program that includes intermittent fasting? Do you mean a protocol tweaked to improve an autoimmune disease? Or a eating program intended to heal gut issues? Are you talking about a wholistic approach that includes ideas about movement and rest, or just a diet? The name isn't your main problem, it's the diversity of approaches that go under the umbrella of "paleo".

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

(2422)

on May 31, 2012
at 03:02 AM

I need a better name because I want to be able to effectively communicate my interests in this lifestyle to professional crowds and general public.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

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on May 31, 2012
at 12:22 PM

It's hard to just do my thing when so many people are literally dying from the f*Cked up system, and when I see obese children at age 5-6... Let's not forget the economic impact of obesity.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

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on May 31, 2012
at 07:29 PM

the former, lostgoonie.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

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on May 31, 2012
at 07:34 PM

But we need to start somewhere to fix the system.

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4b5be253ac1981c690689cab7e4bf06d

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on May 31, 2012
at 01:35 PM

This is kinda why I define as "Primal." I think it has a better connotation, most people have a gut reaction when they think about "primal foods," MDA has done a great job at incorporating some of the non food items that Paleo is about, and I like raw milk :) It also has a more relaxed version of strict paleo.

But, there is never going to be one word or one movement that can define EVERYTHING that we do. Thats why we have so many versions of paleo/primal/GAPS/WAPF. If someone tells me they eat "Paleo," I ask them specifically what is the main part of their diet. Just the same as someone on "Low Carb" might have different carb levels, or someone on "weight watchers" eats totally different.

Paleo/Primal is a starting point for a deeper conversation about meaning.

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on May 31, 2012
at 11:53 AM

There are two ways to think about it -- believing in the diet because you think that it's best for your body to do what Grok did, or believing in the diet due to the evidence that refined carbohydrates are an evil, evil thing.

I fall in the second camp, personally -- my eating habits tend to fall into the paleo sphere, but I'm not overly concerned with whether Grok had smoked gouda or not.

Either way, you gotta call it something, and paleo is a good enough word, I guess - though when random people do ask how I eat, I refer to it as "low carb, high-fat" as opposed to "paleo", as I assume most people wouldn't have a frame of reference for the term.

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on May 31, 2012
at 12:07 PM

I am in the second camp as well. I am also trying to see how to promote "paleo" as a preventive measure in public health. We definitely need a frame of reference if we want our way of eating/lifestyle to appeal to the general public (first to scientists) as a preventive medicine strategy.

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on May 31, 2012
at 04:25 AM

What I'm getting (largely from reading PH) is that "paleo" is a classification similar to "vehicle", "mammal", or "television".

Within the grouping is a myriad of sub-categories that may, or may not, overlap: GAPS, Primal, Strict Paleo, Paleo + Dairy, Low Carb, Very Low Carb, and so on.

Paleo without a specific sub-qualifier, I think, expresses an ideal that maps to "eat with the knowledge of potential hazard everything you want, when you are hungry, preferring foods that are as close to their optimal conditions, and with as little processing as possible; but screw it and have a beer now and then as long you're willing to pay the potential price."

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on May 31, 2012
at 09:38 PM

I actually really like your explanation Blitherakt. I think it should be said I follow paleo-x. This would possibly reduce bickering over 'that's not paleo' because there are a bunch of different ways to go about it. As long as no one invents the paleo-grains+seed oils+high n-6 version. :) It is a complicated system, and I haven't fully appreciated that many different ways can be all still be 'correct' until now.

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at 11:43 AM

That's why I got so confused on PaleoHacks. Before coming to this site, I had a clear idea of what Paleo lifestyle was, and then that got all muddled when I saw what other "Paleos" were doing. I agree that we basically use the term Paleo as just a qualifier, which is pretty meaningless if you ask me...

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on May 31, 2012
at 04:07 AM

2 when I read it I decided you havnt read much on the topic. "paleo" As a term has been corrupted, people eat gluten free crackers and call it paleo. Read Cordains book.

Largely I don't share my dietary habits in public anymore, because as soon as people hear how I've cut their fav food out of my life they say heck with that. More for me!

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on May 31, 2012
at 11:25 AM

I call my crackers "Bob" not "paleo."

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on May 31, 2012
at 11:35 AM

My crackers are bad at answering questions.

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on May 31, 2012
at 04:18 AM

If all caps is shouting, increasing the font size by 300% is screaming...

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on May 31, 2012
at 05:03 PM

Paleo crackers? http://paleohacks.com/questions/123049/any-recommendations-for-non-wheat-minimal-crackers#axzz1wSvOwwnK

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

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on May 31, 2012
at 04:18 AM

When did I say anything about gluten-free crackers? I've read Cordain's book.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

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on May 31, 2012
at 04:21 AM

Haha I know it's so loud I am getting a headache.

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on May 31, 2012
at 12:07 PM

I heard the same thing about crackers on Robb Wolf's podcast this week. I'd like to meet these cracker people. I've never heard anyone in the paleosphere, or paleos I know in real life, eating any kind of crackers and considering it paleo.

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on May 31, 2012
at 05:01 PM

+1 for the large font!

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on May 31, 2012
at 03:12 AM

If I must call it something - I think I would go down the n=1 / biofeedback train of thought for a name. I hesitate to say the "listening to your body" train of thought because it sounds too hippy dippy for my tastes.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

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on May 31, 2012
at 11:48 AM

Now the question is: is the label hipster misleading?

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

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on May 31, 2012
at 11:48 AM

I am on a "listening to my body" diet. I like it--it's got a spiritual kick to it. Hey but I think "Paleos" and hippies (or hipsters...) have a lot in common as well.

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on May 31, 2012
at 12:09 PM

"Hipster" pretty much has come to mean anything a specific person doesn't like, or feels self-conscious about.

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on May 31, 2012
at 09:40 PM

trjones- you speak the truth.

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on May 31, 2012
at 12:54 PM

How about the "fat-burning diet" or the "grain-free sugar-free diet" or the "natural diet" or "real food diet." I know they don't have that catchy name that is needed to make it go mainstream, but honestly it probably never will.

My experience with saying "ancestral diet" is that it sounds old and boring. "Cool" people do not like that term.

92d67b02a709cad2250f10848f9178e6

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on May 31, 2012
at 01:40 PM

Paleo is not focused on fat-burning. Maximized fat-burning ability is just the consequence of this lifestyle. Grain-free diet doesn't include our emphasis on whole, unprocessed foods... Haha yeah the "cool" people are missing out. I like the 'real food' approach like Michael Pollan.

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