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Do you see any flaws within the paleo diet?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created April 01, 2013 at 1:29 AM

For example, even though people have supposedly evolved eating meets and vegetables or whatever, does that mean that vegetarianism is wrong for human consumption?

I just think that, even though I follow and appreciate the paleo diet to an extent, a diet on beans, rice and meat and other non-paleo diets aren't horrible at all, as long as the person can feel good digesting them. (remember how people may say that certain foods are estrogenic and goitrogenic, since this is the reason some might shoot other types of diets and foods down)

I also may think that although we may have evolved to eat some things for sure, like meat, we can't just say "this is the correct way" since no one living today has been living back then.

We also forget that, disregarding the agricultural period 10,00 years ago, we have had some room for change and what not. It's not impossible at all. I don't even think it matters how short of a period or how long. From the time when there lived cavemen to now, change is more than possible. idk some thoughts.

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on August 21, 2013
at 04:14 AM

Yeah I've seen this a lot. There is also a misinterpretation that paleo is all or mostly meat. Thanks for the answer!

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on August 20, 2013
at 11:48 AM

to think that one can draw a line in the sand, and everything paleolithic is good whereas everything neolithic is bad is irrational and biologically implausible. Don't paint yourself into that box. You are better than that.

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on August 20, 2013
at 10:40 AM

I'm intolerant to peanuts

Bfddc0ab925c8ea0e0c2e87198514907

on August 20, 2013
at 10:39 AM

From my subjective perspective, I think that excess meat consumption causes my belly fat to increase. The best way to fight it is to fast.

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on August 20, 2013
at 10:38 AM

True, supplements aren't paleo. They may be valid medicine though, and that might be important and create a loophole.

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on August 20, 2013
at 09:15 AM

While I agree with pretty much everything you say, including legumes and dairy in your diet is pretty definitively not paleo, in the sense that paleolithic people didn't eat them. One can be pedant about other foods as well (cavemen didn't have grain-fed beef), but a more appropriate label would be primal.

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on August 20, 2013
at 02:28 AM

how about those taking lots of supplements and calling themselves paleo? They remind me of the fish eating vegetarians of yesteryear.

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at 04:25 AM

In all my honesty, I have no idea... there is no scientific proof behind my ideas on peanuts. It just kind of makes sense to me that people would eat anything that grows, and if it wasn't edible, they would find the way to make it edible.

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at 01:50 AM

LOVE your answer. how are we to define something that we have not lived to even have seen? it gets confusing... i don't blame people who are vegan who say stuff like "humans haven't evolved to eat meat, look at our human anatomy and our teeth ffs." we can't blame anyone for their conclusions... and with this paleo thing.. i love it. it's a great way to achieve optimal health... but sometimes i think we may go overboard just a little.

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at 01:47 AM

thank you. carbohydrates all day. :]

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ha! that's funny and totally relatable.. my parents aren't too fond of my twice a month visit to the farmer's market.

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at 01:44 AM

thank you! i agree.

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i've seen others vilifying fruit... someone said that it can add belly fat (forgot what it's called, viscal or something). i'd love to see a debate on that... thanks for answering. i like fruit.

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for 1 and 2, i'd love some articles or an explanation. i'm open to these possibilities... i agree with paying attention to the quality of meat and it isn't over-emphasized because factory farms are no joke. it's just not.... nothing is RIGHT about conventional meat. Food Inc pls. thank you for the comment!

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thank you for the answer! veganism also led me here.

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at 01:36 AM

oh yes! lifestyle* i meant that. I guess that... I'm so used to using the 'paleo diet' just to emphasize the eating part. Thanks for the answer. I agree with resetting their systems, and paleo is (seemingly) a certain way to find out intolerances and what not.

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thank you for the comment! :]

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on April 02, 2013
at 07:24 PM

I especially agree with the peanuts. Is there a safe peanut butter though?

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on April 02, 2013
at 06:38 PM

@ Unlce Long Hair - amendment: home grown peanuts.

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at 04:24 PM

Er...I'm with I'm with Raquel on this one.

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on April 02, 2013
at 04:23 PM

I'm with Raquel on this one.

Bfddc0ab925c8ea0e0c2e87198514907

on April 02, 2013
at 03:52 PM

Peanuts make me throw up

Bfddc0ab925c8ea0e0c2e87198514907

on April 02, 2013
at 03:52 PM

I completely agree. Potatoes too. I'm a caveman; just try and stop me eating fruits and tubers.

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on April 02, 2013
at 03:42 PM

I actually haven't seen anyone vilifying fruits and berries. Fruit juice, yes.

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on April 02, 2013
at 02:58 PM

Read this and tell me if you still feel the same way about peanuts. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/09/us/09peanuts.html?ref=peanutbutterrecall2009&_r=0

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on April 01, 2013
at 06:01 PM

I agree. Great answer!

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on April 01, 2013
at 06:00 PM

@ Matt - I mean people on the Paleo diet?

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on April 01, 2013
at 06:00 PM

@Christina - what if we soak them and then roast them?

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on April 01, 2013
at 05:59 PM

@Matt, do people eat ALL organs or just the liver?

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at 03:54 PM

Quality of meat is actually OVER-emphasized in paleo circles. The difference between optimal and sub-optimal sources is miniscule.

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on April 01, 2013
at 12:12 PM

I agree with everything, except the peanuts. Just too many mycotoxins imo.

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at 06:53 AM

Sound advice, I wholeheartedly agree with you

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06ca9c524c28bc3fba95d4d90f8f43c6

on April 01, 2013
at 02:47 AM

The biggest flaw is in the belief of something as a "diet" instead of a "lifestyle". A Diet implies it is an offshoot of what is normal. A key fallacy is the notion that there aren't food sources that are available to modern humans that can't provide nutritional value. I view a paleo template as the best starting point for one to "reset" their systems and THEN begin to assess tolerance and benefit of different food sources.

The stress associated with trying to determine if something is "paleo" or not will drive a person's stress level through the roof! The mere fact one is cognizant enough of their dietary choices to even ask questions like that puts them ahead of the majority of the population in regards to health.

Matt
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F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on April 01, 2013
at 06:01 PM

I agree. Great answer!

52ad7ee5eef0d7339d0977bd7a2ceb8a

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on April 03, 2013
at 01:36 AM

oh yes! lifestyle* i meant that. I guess that... I'm so used to using the 'paleo diet' just to emphasize the eating part. Thanks for the answer. I agree with resetting their systems, and paleo is (seemingly) a certain way to find out intolerances and what not.

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on April 02, 2013
at 06:01 PM

After reading a few of these responses, I think the biggest flaw is that people try to define "Paleo".

High carb, low carb -- who cares. Do what works for you.

Some legumes should be permitted -- Who do you want to permit it? If it works for you eat them.

People who drink/eat Dairy are not paleo -- When did you become the paleo police?

For me paleo is about finding the optimal diet for your lifestyle. How could there be a flaw in that?

52ad7ee5eef0d7339d0977bd7a2ceb8a

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on April 03, 2013
at 01:50 AM

LOVE your answer. how are we to define something that we have not lived to even have seen? it gets confusing... i don't blame people who are vegan who say stuff like "humans haven't evolved to eat meat, look at our human anatomy and our teeth ffs." we can't blame anyone for their conclusions... and with this paleo thing.. i love it. it's a great way to achieve optimal health... but sometimes i think we may go overboard just a little.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

(26217)

on August 20, 2013
at 11:48 AM

to think that one can draw a line in the sand, and everything paleolithic is good whereas everything neolithic is bad is irrational and biologically implausible. Don't paint yourself into that box. You are better than that.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

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on August 20, 2013
at 09:15 AM

While I agree with pretty much everything you say, including legumes and dairy in your diet is pretty definitively not paleo, in the sense that paleolithic people didn't eat them. One can be pedant about other foods as well (cavemen didn't have grain-fed beef), but a more appropriate label would be primal.

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on April 01, 2013
at 11:36 AM

A big problem I see is the vilifying of fruits and berries. I think those foods are fine. Sure some of them have high sugar, but if they are good for you. And I will eat them... insulin spike be damned.

52ad7ee5eef0d7339d0977bd7a2ceb8a

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on April 03, 2013
at 01:43 AM

i've seen others vilifying fruit... someone said that it can add belly fat (forgot what it's called, viscal or something). i'd love to see a debate on that... thanks for answering. i like fruit.

Bfddc0ab925c8ea0e0c2e87198514907

on April 02, 2013
at 03:52 PM

I completely agree. Potatoes too. I'm a caveman; just try and stop me eating fruits and tubers.

72cf727474b8bf815fdc505e58cadfea

on April 02, 2013
at 03:42 PM

I actually haven't seen anyone vilifying fruits and berries. Fruit juice, yes.

Bfddc0ab925c8ea0e0c2e87198514907

on August 20, 2013
at 10:39 AM

From my subjective perspective, I think that excess meat consumption causes my belly fat to increase. The best way to fight it is to fast.

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on April 01, 2013
at 04:05 AM

Yes, I see some flaws within the Paleo diet.

  1. First of all, safe consumption of some raw meat and fish should be emphasized.

  2. Secondly, peanuts are unjustly vilified.

  3. Consumption of tubers/starchy vegetables and roots should be highlighted. In fact, it should be a part of every meal.

  4. It is important that rather than consuming too much meat, the Paleo diet followers chose the quality of meat more carefully: liver, heart, adrenal glands (raw), kidney, brain, sweetbreads, bone marrow. All those parts should be consumed in moderation, actually, rarely, but on a regular basis.

  5. Rather than meat, seafood and fish should be the main staples of the Paleo diet.

  6. Moderate consumption of fermented / sprouted ancient grains and legumes should be allowed.

That's my take on the changes / additions I would make to the Paleo diet.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on April 01, 2013
at 05:59 PM

@Matt, do people eat ALL organs or just the liver?

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on April 01, 2013
at 06:00 PM

@ Matt - I mean people on the Paleo diet?

Eccdc4a151a251107ade4d052c3978df

on April 01, 2013
at 12:12 PM

I agree with everything, except the peanuts. Just too many mycotoxins imo.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on April 01, 2013
at 03:54 PM

Quality of meat is actually OVER-emphasized in paleo circles. The difference between optimal and sub-optimal sources is miniscule.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on April 01, 2013
at 06:00 PM

@Christina - what if we soak them and then roast them?

783275f7d7d5fd8de47977d42fc5f97d

(170)

on April 01, 2013
at 06:53 AM

Sound advice, I wholeheartedly agree with you

Bfddc0ab925c8ea0e0c2e87198514907

on April 02, 2013
at 03:52 PM

Peanuts make me throw up

3b031bce7c181c10452ee202e2b54dc6

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on April 02, 2013
at 07:24 PM

I especially agree with the peanuts. Is there a safe peanut butter though?

52ad7ee5eef0d7339d0977bd7a2ceb8a

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on April 03, 2013
at 01:42 AM

for 1 and 2, i'd love some articles or an explanation. i'm open to these possibilities... i agree with paying attention to the quality of meat and it isn't over-emphasized because factory farms are no joke. it's just not.... nothing is RIGHT about conventional meat. Food Inc pls. thank you for the comment!

9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

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on April 02, 2013
at 02:58 PM

Read this and tell me if you still feel the same way about peanuts. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/09/us/09peanuts.html?ref=peanutbutterrecall2009&_r=0

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on April 02, 2013
at 06:38 PM

@ Unlce Long Hair - amendment: home grown peanuts.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on April 03, 2013
at 04:25 AM

In all my honesty, I have no idea... there is no scientific proof behind my ideas on peanuts. It just kind of makes sense to me that people would eat anything that grows, and if it wasn't edible, they would find the way to make it edible.

Bfddc0ab925c8ea0e0c2e87198514907

on August 20, 2013
at 10:40 AM

I'm intolerant to peanuts

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on September 07, 2013
at 12:44 AM

Sometimes I feel that paleo can get really stressful if you let the perfect be the enemy of the good, and I had this problem for a long time, I have come to terms with it now and am much more happier in general. Of course grass-fed/organic/fresh/non-farmed fish/fermented dairy/etc... is optimal, but for most people it isnt 100% ideal (espeically for me being a student). I think alot of blogs emphasise these points quite alot and for the general community it can be overwhelming, especially for the beginner. one of the most important steps in my paleo lifestyle was finding a farmers market, dang did i save a bunch...

52ad7ee5eef0d7339d0977bd7a2ceb8a

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on April 03, 2013
at 01:46 AM

ha! that's funny and totally relatable.. my parents aren't too fond of my twice a month visit to the farmer's market.

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on August 20, 2013
at 11:13 AM

Not with the diet per se, but it can be very easy for modern people to misapply the principles and make unhealthy choices like processed meat with shit-tonnes of additives or fruit that has been cultivated to have ten times as much sugar as it's supposed to. That said, the vilification of fruit is also a problem in paleo communities (again, not with the diet in principle). I think this stems from a tendency to discount the primary of an individual's unique ancestral lineage in determining what kind of diet is best for them. We can find basic commonalities among all humans (meat & veg) but a large proportion of what's best for you will depend on your unique lineage. n=1, y'all!

So yeah, the biggest problem as I see it is one of compromise: trying to making ancestral eating as feasible as possible in a modern context.

52ad7ee5eef0d7339d0977bd7a2ceb8a

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on August 21, 2013
at 04:14 AM

Yeah I've seen this a lot. There is also a misinterpretation that paleo is all or mostly meat. Thanks for the answer!

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on April 01, 2013
at 12:59 PM

It really depends on the individual... paleo is really about eating natural foods as much as possible, and avoiding junk...I personally find things like dairy and fruit to be fine in average amounts, yet plain tea is seen as ok to have but oh my GOD one cup of tea dries out my skin and makes it all red and inflamed....on a personal level I miss brown bread in fairness hahaha It was my main carb-I've never had issues with wheat but I don't think it can be good for you and so limit it :s I think the details of what amount to eat of x food should be left to the individual to decide...so long as its not heavily processed garbage, you should be able to make that decision with wisdom :)

52ad7ee5eef0d7339d0977bd7a2ceb8a

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on April 03, 2013
at 01:44 AM

thank you! i agree.

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on April 01, 2013
at 03:43 AM

I'm not sure if there is any "perfect diet" for absolutely everyone. I believe we all have varying levels of tolerance and sensitivities. Someone could tolerate something for years, then slowly fall apart or they may be just fine. We don't know what works for everyone, we only know what works for us.

'Paleo people' have certain things in common and it seems to work for us. Even then we have our differences like with dairy or carb/starch tolerance.

If something works, that's great. If it stops working, you can still do further experimentation. I stuck with veganism too long even when the evidence was against the ideology. But, hey, it lead me to Paleo, which is working far better than anything so far, so the experience wasn't in vain.

I'm still tweaking my diet and paying close attention to it's effects. All I want is a simple diet that will give me health, energy, and no pain. I'll take tasteless, plain, spartan, and utilitarian if that means the end of lethargy and allergic reactions. But this is my goal, other people's goals may include great taste and variety and that's just as valid.

There is no right or wrong when it comes to something as personal as diet. Nothing is true; everything is permitted. ;)

52ad7ee5eef0d7339d0977bd7a2ceb8a

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on April 03, 2013
at 01:38 AM

thank you for the answer! veganism also led me here.

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Bfddc0ab925c8ea0e0c2e87198514907

on April 02, 2013
at 03:53 PM

People eating dairy and calling themselves paleo.

Also, people shunning carbohydrates as a macronutrient and calling themselves paleo.

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on April 02, 2013
at 04:24 PM

Er...I'm with I'm with Raquel on this one.

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on April 02, 2013
at 04:23 PM

I'm with Raquel on this one.

52ad7ee5eef0d7339d0977bd7a2ceb8a

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on April 03, 2013
at 01:47 AM

thank you. carbohydrates all day. :]

Bfddc0ab925c8ea0e0c2e87198514907

on August 20, 2013
at 10:38 AM

True, supplements aren't paleo. They may be valid medicine though, and that might be important and create a loophole.

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on August 20, 2013
at 02:28 AM

how about those taking lots of supplements and calling themselves paleo? They remind me of the fish eating vegetarians of yesteryear.

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on April 01, 2013
at 01:40 AM

I think that a good diet is: whatever a person feels happy and healthy eating

For me that is most defiantly paleo right now.. and hopefully forever, but both my parents are fit and healthy and they eat breads and whole-grains.

I also know people who follow a vegan diet who are happy with life and as fit and healthy as the rest of us.

(I bet these people would be happier and feel more satisifed after each meal following a paleo diet... but thats just my opinion :P) What works for everyone is different.

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at 01:33 AM

thank you for the comment! :]

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on August 19, 2013
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The fact we don't practice horizontal recruitment.

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