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Do you know of any dedicated ancestral community folks who have met an untimely death?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created December 24, 2011 at 1:05 PM

I was just wondering if you know of anybody who followed a dedicated ancestral diet who has met an untimely end through disease, and if you're willing to share, what the disease was.

Some pertinent details:

  • Their age/gender
  • How long they'd been eating an ancestral diet
  • What was their disease/cause of death - cancer? Heart disease? Being really, really, ridiculously good looking? (Sorry, I couldn't resist an attempt at levity in an otherwise serious question.)

C0fcb48d7da4f76fac17318efd2cd6b8

(4069)

on January 04, 2012
at 01:06 AM

He was eating a steak while driving.

E05b8d2c9ae8a9a92341785f342f131d

(346)

on January 01, 2012
at 10:51 PM

Henry, I believe Melissa was pointing out the limited value of anecdotal evidence, especially of this kind. It made me lol anyway.

E05b8d2c9ae8a9a92341785f342f131d

(346)

on January 01, 2012
at 10:47 PM

Henry, Melissa was making a comment on the value of anecdotal evidence that's so anecdotal it's indistinguishable from urban myth. It made me lol anyway.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on December 28, 2011
at 02:22 PM

99% of supplements contain additives that are allergens/carcinogens. Not to mention the impurities they might have.

3c6b4eed18dc57f746755b698426e7c8

(5152)

on December 28, 2011
at 05:40 AM

The same arugment is carried on by Dr. McDougall (vegan) who only believes in supplementing with B-12 (understandable). Yes, our soils are deplete and lack the minerals that used to be abundant. Also, our vegetables and fruits have been bred for sweetness and size, and may lack the vitamins and minerals during Paleo times. But what really is the effect of supplementing in such large doses? Do we really know? The answer is no.

3c6b4eed18dc57f746755b698426e7c8

(5152)

on December 28, 2011
at 05:36 AM

I remember that. But another reason also cited for causing cancer is all those vitamins and supplements that we take. We really don't know what these isolated capsules containing supposedly unadulterated nutrients / minerals are doing to our body, specifically, wherther, over the long haul, they are not carcinogenic. That's the argument posed by someone like Dr. Harris, who does not believe in taking supplements. Having said that, I myself take a fistful of vitamins and minerals 4 times a day.

D45e43b08cd99a04f5d4294a871e1078

(1010)

on December 28, 2011
at 03:57 AM

^Are you alright Melissa?

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on December 28, 2011
at 01:23 AM

He also wasn't eating carnivorous/paleoZC until later in life.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on December 28, 2011
at 12:43 AM

I heard about this guy who knew the cousin of a friend of mine who died last year after eating paleo for 70 years. The paleo diet has a terrible mortality rate. I hear it's 100%.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on December 27, 2011
at 09:00 PM

I don't know if cancer is inevitable. They say that they often find thyroid and prostate cancers in autopsies of older people who died of other things. I'm hoping some of my 90-101 year old relatives will donate their bodies to science because I'd be curious to know what was lingering in them.

7767e05a8c4504f6be03f13ee40815cd

(1299)

on December 27, 2011
at 08:50 PM

I believe his cancer was most likely due to an HPV infection.

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

(6719)

on December 27, 2011
at 08:38 PM

Regardless of diet, if you live long enough, you will get cancer. He died at 76 years (auto accident) after periods of heavy drug/alcohol use. Thats a hell of a run if you ask me.

D45e43b08cd99a04f5d4294a871e1078

(1010)

on December 27, 2011
at 08:07 PM

Good question, I'm glad the moderators thought so too! I wanted to ask the same question, but phrased as, "has anyone died paleo?"

F5f742cc9228eb5804114d0f3be4e587

(7660)

on December 25, 2011
at 11:40 PM

Bumping because I'm curious. Guessing the radio silence thus far is a good thing! Hard to know though due to a bjillion confounding factors. For example, I just had a weird mole removed, and as I waited for the results (benign), I wondered what I would do if it were melanoma. Would I be upset that my diet hadn't save me? And the answer was "no" mostly because I've been at it just less than a year, and I'm unsure whether that's enough time to undo the damage. Add to that the fact that our environment is toxic (BPA, phthalates, radiation from Japan, etc.) and it's too multifactorial.

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on December 24, 2011
at 06:00 PM

Oh and +1 for Zoolander.

Medium avatar

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on December 24, 2011
at 06:00 PM

I asked something similar to this a while back: http://paleohacks.com/questions/74015/do-you-know-anyone-who-developed-a-disease-on-paleo#axzz1hR9YMgL5

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on December 27, 2011
at 09:06 PM

The Polish doctor, Dr. Jan Kwasniewski has been recommending a high meat/fat, low carb diet for a while now. It is not explicitly Paleo but very close (edit to add: mostly unprocessed food but not anti-grains). A few years back, two of his colleagues died in a close time frame. They died of 2 different intestinal cancers. They had followed his eating advice for a fairly long time frame like 10-12 years. Please forgive me if the details I remember are fuzzy/not exact. Some comments at the time supposed the heavy dependence on Polish cured meats might have been the smoking gun.

I have closely read Hyperlipid for a while and Peter was my first intro to Dr. Kwaniewski's ideas. News of the acolytes dying caused a lot of heart burn for a while.

3c6b4eed18dc57f746755b698426e7c8

(5152)

on December 28, 2011
at 05:36 AM

I remember that. But another reason also cited for causing cancer is all those vitamins and supplements that we take. We really don't know what these isolated capsules containing supposedly unadulterated nutrients / minerals are doing to our body, specifically, wherther, over the long haul, they are not carcinogenic. That's the argument posed by someone like Dr. Harris, who does not believe in taking supplements. Having said that, I myself take a fistful of vitamins and minerals 4 times a day.

3c6b4eed18dc57f746755b698426e7c8

(5152)

on December 28, 2011
at 05:40 AM

The same arugment is carried on by Dr. McDougall (vegan) who only believes in supplementing with B-12 (understandable). Yes, our soils are deplete and lack the minerals that used to be abundant. Also, our vegetables and fruits have been bred for sweetness and size, and may lack the vitamins and minerals during Paleo times. But what really is the effect of supplementing in such large doses? Do we really know? The answer is no.

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on December 28, 2011
at 02:22 PM

99% of supplements contain additives that are allergens/carcinogens. Not to mention the impurities they might have.

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9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on December 27, 2011
at 08:13 PM

Owsley Stanley, who was really a pioneer and popularizer of carnivore diets, even if he was a bit extreme, died in a car accident this year. He had also had cancer, but you know...with someone like that who was a pioneer of LSD and a rock n' roller, there are so many environmental factors that it's hard to say what was caused by diet and what was not.

1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

(6719)

on December 27, 2011
at 08:38 PM

Regardless of diet, if you live long enough, you will get cancer. He died at 76 years (auto accident) after periods of heavy drug/alcohol use. Thats a hell of a run if you ask me.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on December 27, 2011
at 09:00 PM

I don't know if cancer is inevitable. They say that they often find thyroid and prostate cancers in autopsies of older people who died of other things. I'm hoping some of my 90-101 year old relatives will donate their bodies to science because I'd be curious to know what was lingering in them.

7767e05a8c4504f6be03f13ee40815cd

(1299)

on December 27, 2011
at 08:50 PM

I believe his cancer was most likely due to an HPV infection.

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on December 28, 2011
at 01:23 AM

He also wasn't eating carnivorous/paleoZC until later in life.

C0fcb48d7da4f76fac17318efd2cd6b8

(4069)

on January 04, 2012
at 01:06 AM

He was eating a steak while driving.

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05b7714f0b6942fc350e4271c6382c46

(125)

on January 03, 2012
at 02:52 AM

I was really expecting that if I ate this way - I'd live forever! Dangit! :(

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D45e43b08cd99a04f5d4294a871e1078

(1010)

on December 27, 2011
at 08:09 PM

I read somewhere about a woman whos father had been paleo for at least the last thirty years of his life, and that he only got ill shortly before he died, but had been playing golf and been active in that period up until he got ill. I can't find where I read this, but I'm not making it up, why would I?

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on December 28, 2011
at 12:43 AM

I heard about this guy who knew the cousin of a friend of mine who died last year after eating paleo for 70 years. The paleo diet has a terrible mortality rate. I hear it's 100%.

D45e43b08cd99a04f5d4294a871e1078

(1010)

on December 28, 2011
at 03:57 AM

^Are you alright Melissa?

E05b8d2c9ae8a9a92341785f342f131d

(346)

on January 01, 2012
at 10:51 PM

Henry, I believe Melissa was pointing out the limited value of anecdotal evidence, especially of this kind. It made me lol anyway.

E05b8d2c9ae8a9a92341785f342f131d

(346)

on January 01, 2012
at 10:47 PM

Henry, Melissa was making a comment on the value of anecdotal evidence that's so anecdotal it's indistinguishable from urban myth. It made me lol anyway.

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1c67bc28f4e44bbb8770b86df0463df3

on December 27, 2011
at 08:03 PM

Crickets ......

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