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Do you know anyone who developed a disease on Paleo?

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Created November 01, 2011 at 2:48 AM

Do you know or have heard of anyone developing a serious, life-threatening chronic disease even though they were eating a Paleo diet?
I'm hoping the answer is no and that everyone on Paleo lives a long and healthy life :)

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

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on November 02, 2011
at 07:25 PM

LOL - I hear that too. I hear the side effects might be good body composition, better mental health, and overall improvement in health!

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on November 02, 2011
at 04:06 AM

No no, that aint so. A buddy of mine says he knows a guy what never died, and he showed me the lack of a grave to prove it too.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on November 01, 2011
at 11:36 PM

I'm sorry that happened to you, Julia. After hanging around diet/health boards for quite a few years, I've definitely seen plenty of EDs develop around various strict ways of eating. I'm glad you're recovering!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on November 01, 2011
at 09:25 PM

Garson's therapy is about vegetarian diet. It looks like it helps some people. I don't think its relevant to health humans tbh.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on November 01, 2011
at 05:49 PM

^Alright fine. take medication, rely on that.

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

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on November 01, 2011
at 05:11 PM

Uh, no, it's a viral illness. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infectious_mononucleosis

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

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on November 01, 2011
at 05:11 PM

Uh, no, it's a viral illness.

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on November 01, 2011
at 04:35 PM

I agree. There are other modifiable factors in our lives and surrounding environment that will inevitably cause diseases, some more severe than others. And it goes both ways: you can't attribute getting a disease to Paleo and you can't attribute being having good health to Paleo. This is precisely why I want to go into medicine because it just shows how little we know about our bodies, the reactions within them, and as well as our interactions with the outside world. It's intimidating and fascinating all at the same time.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on November 01, 2011
at 04:33 PM

Oh noes! Pass me the Twinkies.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

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on November 01, 2011
at 04:31 PM

Exactly. Good nutrition undid a few problems I had -- obesity, depression, joint pain, asthma -- but other problems are unfixable (bad vision, bad feet). And many of us ate crap food as kids, or had crap lifestyles, unbeknownst to our well-meaning families. And for some of us, that crap goes back generations. Who knows what damage was done, and how fixable it may or may not be? (And sorry about your mom's melanoma, Melissa.)

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on November 01, 2011
at 04:31 PM

I hear the mortality rate for paleo diets is 100%...

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on November 01, 2011
at 04:27 PM

Likewise if I live to a healthy vital 120, will I be able to credit "Paleo"? Perhaps if I can find a way to compare that life to one of my other parallel lives, including the one where I eat junk, don't exercise, and perhaps enjoy significant genetic advantages? Or my "lucky" life, the one based in sheer serendipity.

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on November 01, 2011
at 04:19 PM

Agreed. My father died of ALS at 51 and there's rampant occurrence of breast cancer on my mother's side (including my mom, who passed away at 53 a few years ago). If I end up with a horrible disease I won't blame paleo for not keeping me healthy. I'm more interested in staving off disability and death as long as possible by the means I have available to me (diet, exercise, stress-management).

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on November 01, 2011
at 01:17 PM

what is mono really? I think it's just being sick from eating seeds of grass, which we aren't designed to eat.

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on November 01, 2011
at 12:34 PM

Mono every six months? It's extremely rare for mono to recur even once.

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3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on November 01, 2011
at 02:58 AM

Even if such a person existed, it wouldn't prove much. People have individual strengths and vulnerabilities, and although diet can cause a lot of problems, and probably cure a few, no dietary regimen can be a prophylactic against all disease. Despite all precautions, people can get hit by disease just like they can get hit by a bus or a piece of falling satellite.

Large populations with differing diets are better for inferring things about health and diet, but obviously even large studies suffer from uncontrolled variables.

E36cb992cf0a5eba8b97a359c15f38b3

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on November 01, 2011
at 04:19 PM

Agreed. My father died of ALS at 51 and there's rampant occurrence of breast cancer on my mother's side (including my mom, who passed away at 53 a few years ago). If I end up with a horrible disease I won't blame paleo for not keeping me healthy. I'm more interested in staving off disability and death as long as possible by the means I have available to me (diet, exercise, stress-management).

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on November 01, 2011
at 04:11 PM

Mercy. I know of no evidence that paleo delivers us from presence in time and space. Nobody us getting out of this alive. Plenty of evidence that smart lifestyle choices can and do extend healthy longevity. Genetics are a big factor as well, but even that's not beyond our reach, because smart lifestyle choices foster pro-longevity gene expression.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on November 01, 2011
at 04:31 PM

I hear the mortality rate for paleo diets is 100%...

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on November 01, 2011
at 04:33 PM

Oh noes! Pass me the Twinkies.

20eefe24d8ccf096096f05b5bce1ea40

(988)

on November 02, 2011
at 04:06 AM

No no, that aint so. A buddy of mine says he knows a guy what never died, and he showed me the lack of a grave to prove it too.

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

(6259)

on November 02, 2011
at 07:25 PM

LOL - I hear that too. I hear the side effects might be good body composition, better mental health, and overall improvement in health!

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9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on November 01, 2011
at 03:00 AM

My mother had stage 0 melanoma. A militant vegan relative told her it was because of the paleo diet. We all thought that was ridiculous. She is in her fifties and has been eating paleo for only a few years. She also suffered from bad sunburns as a child and smoked. Who knows, it could have been stage 2 on another diet?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 01, 2011
at 09:25 PM

Garson's therapy is about vegetarian diet. It looks like it helps some people. I don't think its relevant to health humans tbh.

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on November 01, 2011
at 04:31 PM

Exactly. Good nutrition undid a few problems I had -- obesity, depression, joint pain, asthma -- but other problems are unfixable (bad vision, bad feet). And many of us ate crap food as kids, or had crap lifestyles, unbeknownst to our well-meaning families. And for some of us, that crap goes back generations. Who knows what damage was done, and how fixable it may or may not be? (And sorry about your mom's melanoma, Melissa.)

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8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

on November 01, 2011
at 04:52 PM

None of us can truly be Paleolithic.

We are exposed to outside pollution (light, noise, chemical, etc.), pesticides, insecticides, plastics, household cleaners, electromagnetic radiation, etc even if we live as best we can in our homes. The depletion of minerals in soil and drinking water (in industrial countries to keep the pipes better), also plays a role.

We also have so many generations of ancestors who did not eat in Paleo-inspired fashion and we have inherited those genes (for better, or for worse).

Our genes are varied. All we can hope/hypothesize is to delay, reduce, and (in the best case situation prevent) chronic diseases of civilization - heart disease, obesity, metabolic syndrome/insulin issues, autoimmune, inflammation, etc. There are people that have benefited on ancestral diets by the evidence in biomarkers in medical testing.

Some people will get better and faster results than others. Some people prior to an ancestral approach have damage beyond the point of no return and cannot get the ideal recovery they want. For some doing an ancestral-inspired intervention will alleviate symptoms and diseases better than other approaches but still only do "damage control." But know one can know if they will benefit until they try it for at least 30 days! Certain factors may not improve until months or even a year later!

Ultimately each person has to test 1 variable at a time for about 2-3 weeks (exception, gluten often takes a month or longer to see), and adjust to their individual situation.

Some people can tolerate different thresholds of food.

For some altering one or more of these factors may make a difference:

1) gluten

2) fructose

3) dairy - lactose, casein, etc.

4) eggs

5) nightshades

6) coconut

7) starches - yams, potatoes, plantains, etc. (even small amounts of white rice!)

8) nuts and seeds

9) cooked vs. raw vegetables

10) probiotics - fermented vegetables and/or dairy

11) carbs, fats, and protein

12) supplementation

Faileo (incorrectly done Paleo) usually stems from not titrating various factors to the individual, including the 12 mentioned above.

Melissa's post is enlightening here: http://huntgatherlove.com/content/are-you-faileo-diet

The Jaminets also discuss it in their Perfect Health Diet book.

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2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

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on November 01, 2011
at 04:22 PM

Unfortunately Paleo is not the gift of immortality, it's not going to stop absolutely everybody from getting absolutely every disease. Are there people "on paleo" who are still going to get cancer, heart disease, etc.? Of course! We are all still human and there are other factors like genetics and environment to consider. All you can do is keep learning, keep questioning and keep listening to your body. By eating this way you are improving your chances of not getting degenerative diseases, not eradicating them

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on November 01, 2011
at 04:35 PM

I agree. There are other modifiable factors in our lives and surrounding environment that will inevitably cause diseases, some more severe than others. And it goes both ways: you can't attribute getting a disease to Paleo and you can't attribute being having good health to Paleo. This is precisely why I want to go into medicine because it just shows how little we know about our bodies, the reactions within them, and as well as our interactions with the outside world. It's intimidating and fascinating all at the same time.

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on November 01, 2011
at 04:22 PM

Similar to what Rose and Melissa said... even if somebody "developed a disease while eating Paleo"... how could you ever know if eating Paleo caused it or if it was simply a matter a time due to previous lifestyle/dietary choices.

For example: I eat Paleo. I have some concerns about my personal health. But I ate absolute trash growing up as a kid. I was a product of the highly misguided 1980s. Also, I was fed soy formula from birth. Not until I turned 30 years old did I do a 180 with my diet.

Even if I drop dead tomorrow, would it really be fair to say that it was because I was eating "Paleo"?

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on November 01, 2011
at 04:27 PM

Likewise if I live to a healthy vital 120, will I be able to credit "Paleo"? Perhaps if I can find a way to compare that life to one of my other parallel lives, including the one where I eat junk, don't exercise, and perhaps enjoy significant genetic advantages? Or my "lucky" life, the one based in sheer serendipity.

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on November 01, 2011
at 09:18 PM

I developed an eating disorder while on paleo. I probably had a mental predisposition to it though, and my strictness when beginning paleo kind of set it off. I was technically eating paleo, just a very low-calorie version and probably not enough fats (although I thought I was getting enough...) Slowly recovering now though!

3aea514b680d01bfd7573d74517946a7

(11996)

on November 01, 2011
at 11:36 PM

I'm sorry that happened to you, Julia. After hanging around diet/health boards for quite a few years, I've definitely seen plenty of EDs develop around various strict ways of eating. I'm glad you're recovering!

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on November 01, 2011
at 04:30 AM

I hope not. I went back to eating meat and thanks to hunting season, it's mostly venison.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on November 01, 2011
at 04:13 AM

great question! I think answers to this question prove whether any chronic diseases are anything besides systematic disfunctions solely caused by processed food.

I used to never really go 6 months without getting at least strept throat, usually mono. Since Paleo I just haven gotten sick besides a bug that everyone in campus was getting. But that bug barely effected me compared to other people. ...I also haven't thrown up once since Paleo.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on November 01, 2011
at 05:49 PM

^Alright fine. take medication, rely on that.

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

(7540)

on November 01, 2011
at 05:11 PM

Uh, no, it's a viral illness. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infectious_mononucleosis

13a44ea00b0c9af0b6d0f3d5f5c2cfca

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on November 01, 2011
at 12:34 PM

Mono every six months? It's extremely rare for mono to recur even once.

7d0c3ea9bf8be00b93e6433d8f125ac3

(7540)

on November 01, 2011
at 05:11 PM

Uh, no, it's a viral illness.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 01, 2011
at 01:17 PM

what is mono really? I think it's just being sick from eating seeds of grass, which we aren't designed to eat.

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