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Do calories only count If you consume grains?

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Created August 12, 2011 at 1:38 PM

Are calories really essential when it comes to what you eat? or do they only count depending on what you eat?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 13, 2011
at 11:15 AM

I am also currently counting my carbs and not the calories. My weight is plumetting. I think the important thing is to consider the source of the calories when counting calories.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 12, 2011
at 10:45 PM

I can eat all the bacon i want and i feel awesome, add some bread and i feel sick and gain a pound.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

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on August 12, 2011
at 07:10 PM

I gained fat while marathon training. While weight training I did gain muscle, but that wasn't what I wanted. I have been tracking for 7 years, so I know exactly how everything affects my body. I was really hoping after maintaining for 3 years that I would be "fixed" and thought Paleo might be the answer to being able to eat more calories, but it hasn't worked that way for me, no matter how many carbs I eat or don't eat. Calories are my final measure for weight loss and gain. Ratios only affect the the body comp. I think I am broken. :(

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on August 12, 2011
at 06:56 PM

I do not understand why the numbers came out as a telephone nr in my browser (Chrome)...

Af9537cfa50562b67979624e9007e12a

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on August 12, 2011
at 06:06 PM

gained fat or gained weight? that is all weird, maybe you are broken as you said huh?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 12, 2011
at 04:45 PM

echoing annie, in that we're all different! if you keep your carbs lower, you can eat more calories. at least i can, with my particular metabolism. this might not work for everyone, but based on the success of even non-paleo low-carb diets, i think it works for many. however, as Unc puts it, "Advice to eat more food in order to lose more weight makes absolutely no sense," and frankly, i don't know who would give that advice!

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

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on August 12, 2011
at 03:34 PM

Sadly, no PKN. I might be able to go an extra 200 or so, but I actually gained weight while training for a 1/2 marathon. Weight training/HIIT helps me maintain easily and reflects in my body comp, but doesn't do as much for me with weight loss.

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at 03:32 PM

Melissa- I would assume your level of exercise would greatly vary your allowable calories though? I find that heavy lifting allows many more calories (and carbs) for up to a couple days post workout.

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on August 12, 2011
at 02:32 PM

Annie, at some point cals always matter, they just may begin to matter at different points depending on the person and diet.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

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on August 12, 2011
at 02:11 PM

Yeah, I am 5'2" and 136lbs and used to be 245lbs. I think I have permanently damaged my metabolism to the point that it doesn't burn as many calories as the "average" person of my size. I was hoping it would fix itself, but I've been maintaining for close to 3 years now and it's not any better. I try to up them and it's always the same result, no matter what ratios I eat.

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on August 12, 2011
at 02:01 PM

I think we are all different. At least two groups anyway. For me, I lost weight with VLC andI am eating literally twice as many calories as when I was HCLF. Around 1200 on HCLF while starving all day and around 2400-2700 on VLC.

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i used to eat between 1200-2000 calories a day on veganism and i gained alot of weight even though i worked out almost everyday, however when i converted to paleo, I eat 2500-4000 calories a day, dont work out much and some how drop 3-4lbs a week. I guess calories vary from person to person.

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on August 12, 2011
at 03:21 PM

Calories always count, but you don't always have to count calories.

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on August 12, 2011
at 02:50 PM

Calories always count. But what you eat can make it easier or harder to eat fewer calories.

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on August 12, 2011
at 10:40 PM

My beloved Dr. Atkins said "Calories matter. Carbs matter more." That's pretty much how my body seems to work.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 12, 2011
at 10:45 PM

I can eat all the bacon i want and i feel awesome, add some bread and i feel sick and gain a pound.

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on August 12, 2011
at 01:55 PM

In my opinion and experience, calories always count. If you want to lose weight, you need to eat less than you burn, it's that simple. Advice to eat more food in order to lose more weight makes absolutely no sense to me.

The trick is how to decrease your calorie intake while still being nourished and not being hungry all the time, which is where the Paleo diet fits the bill for me. It naturally decreases my appetite and makes it easy (unavoidable really) to lose weight. According to FitDay, when I was first losing weight, I was eating as little as 1000-1200 calories per day most days and not really feeling hungry. I am 6'1" and various estimates of my "baseline" calorie burn are in the 2200-2700 range (though I think that is high). During this time I lost about 15 pounds and went down 4 notches on my belt. It's pretty clear that I was burning fat during this time.

I have tried losing weight on other diets, and I am constantly hungry, even when I reach my target weight, and have always eventually fallen off the wagon. With the Paleo diet, I am very comfortable with my appetite after losing 20 pounds, and am looking to lose some more.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on August 12, 2011
at 04:45 PM

echoing annie, in that we're all different! if you keep your carbs lower, you can eat more calories. at least i can, with my particular metabolism. this might not work for everyone, but based on the success of even non-paleo low-carb diets, i think it works for many. however, as Unc puts it, "Advice to eat more food in order to lose more weight makes absolutely no sense," and frankly, i don't know who would give that advice!

6670b38baf0aae7f4d8ac2463ddc37c0

(3946)

on August 12, 2011
at 02:01 PM

I think we are all different. At least two groups anyway. For me, I lost weight with VLC andI am eating literally twice as many calories as when I was HCLF. Around 1200 on HCLF while starving all day and around 2400-2700 on VLC.

Eecc48184707bc26bce631485b5b7e34

(4764)

on August 12, 2011
at 02:32 PM

Annie, at some point cals always matter, they just may begin to matter at different points depending on the person and diet.

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7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

on August 12, 2011
at 01:48 PM

For me, they count no matter what I eat.

I have religiously counted my food for the last 7 years during a 100+lb weight loss. I changed up just about everything during various plateaus and have found that I gain weight if I sustain a diet of 1400 calories for more than one week. It can be zero carb, low carb, low fat, high fat, vegetarian or high protein. It just doesn't matter for me.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on August 12, 2011
at 03:34 PM

Sadly, no PKN. I might be able to go an extra 200 or so, but I actually gained weight while training for a 1/2 marathon. Weight training/HIIT helps me maintain easily and reflects in my body comp, but doesn't do as much for me with weight loss.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on August 12, 2011
at 01:53 PM

i used to eat between 1200-2000 calories a day on veganism and i gained alot of weight even though i worked out almost everyday, however when i converted to paleo, I eat 2500-4000 calories a day, dont work out much and some how drop 3-4lbs a week. I guess calories vary from person to person.

Af9537cfa50562b67979624e9007e12a

(1334)

on August 12, 2011
at 06:06 PM

gained fat or gained weight? that is all weird, maybe you are broken as you said huh?

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on August 12, 2011
at 07:10 PM

I gained fat while marathon training. While weight training I did gain muscle, but that wasn't what I wanted. I have been tracking for 7 years, so I know exactly how everything affects my body. I was really hoping after maintaining for 3 years that I would be "fixed" and thought Paleo might be the answer to being able to eat more calories, but it hasn't worked that way for me, no matter how many carbs I eat or don't eat. Calories are my final measure for weight loss and gain. Ratios only affect the the body comp. I think I am broken. :(

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on August 12, 2011
at 02:11 PM

Yeah, I am 5'2" and 136lbs and used to be 245lbs. I think I have permanently damaged my metabolism to the point that it doesn't burn as many calories as the "average" person of my size. I was hoping it would fix itself, but I've been maintaining for close to 3 years now and it's not any better. I try to up them and it's always the same result, no matter what ratios I eat.

Af9537cfa50562b67979624e9007e12a

(1334)

on August 12, 2011
at 03:32 PM

Melissa- I would assume your level of exercise would greatly vary your allowable calories though? I find that heavy lifting allows many more calories (and carbs) for up to a couple days post workout.

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B14dc4aa1ddefbec3bc09550428ee493

on August 13, 2011
at 02:50 AM

If you keep your carb intake low enough (It doesn't have to be super low either; I try to stay under 100 g) that you are in fat burning mode, you do not need to count your calories. Just listen to your appetite and stop eating when your hunger is satisfied. You will lose weight that way because your body is getting part of its fuel from your fat stores and making you less hungry to eat.

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04f2eae4450112cdedce7235923c646d

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on August 12, 2011
at 06:47 PM

I went down from 135 lbs to 128 lbs in 4 months eating 3500 - 4000 kcal a day (VLC). It has now stalled, and I am no longer loosing weight unless I cut back some calories.

My experience is that I don't need to count kcals unless I want to get single digit body fat. I've also heard Robb Wolf mentioning the same would go for many (overweight) people beginning low/very low carb.

04f2eae4450112cdedce7235923c646d

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on August 12, 2011
at 06:56 PM

I do not understand why the numbers came out as a telephone nr in my browser (Chrome)...

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on August 12, 2011
at 02:44 PM

In my experience, yes. It is really easy for me to gain weight especially when I'm eating crap like grains and too many sugars/carbs. I'm quite short (5'0") and often eat upwards of 2-4k calories a day, but as long as I keep it paleo and low carb, the weight doesn't seem to stick...(I also don't really do much exercise, other than social dancing). As such I don't feel too bad about binging as long as it's not crap. If it's crap food, then for sure that weight will stay for awhile.

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on August 12, 2011
at 01:58 PM

For some keeping carbs below 100 to lose and below 150 to maintain weight works. Some need to go lower... For some it does not work. I only count my carbs currently.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on August 13, 2011
at 11:15 AM

I am also currently counting my carbs and not the calories. My weight is plumetting. I think the important thing is to consider the source of the calories when counting calories.

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