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Did you change from WAPF to paleo? Paleo to WAPF? Why?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created April 14, 2011 at 12:21 AM

Seems like there is a lot of crossover. Did you change? Why? Experiences? alt text

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on December 03, 2011
at 04:03 AM

It's actually geared towards women of child bearing age. :-)

Da3d4a6835c0f5256b2ef829b3ba3393

on November 30, 2011
at 10:53 PM

Now if we can just get Dr. Harris to post some more. He needs to get that Porshe sold and get some more posts out!

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

(6259)

on November 22, 2011
at 05:01 PM

My family eats Archevore/Perfect Health Diet Paleo. Love bone broths, fermented foods, and organ meats of WAPF. Paleo shares 80% with WAPF. In the past 5 conferences of 1200ish people they look like the rest of America. Too many WAPF are obese and overweight - they lose credibility. I think grains and legumes can be prepared but many WAPF are addicted to carbs. They are eating SAD levels of carbs and grains and so aren't losing weight even with all the pastured meat and dairy! They have GAPS (Gut and Psychology syndrome) followers who basically eat closer to Paleo, and they look slimmer!

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

(6259)

on November 22, 2011
at 04:50 PM

My family eats dairy in Paleo. I like the bone broths, fermented foods, and organ meats of WAPF. We share 80% in common with them. In the past 5 conferences of 1200ish people they look like the rest of America. Too many WAPF are obese and overweight - they lose credibility. I think grains and legumes can be prepared but many WAPF are addicted to carbs. They are eating SAD levels of carbs and grains and so aren't losing weight even with all the pastured meat and dairy! They have GAPS (Gut and Psychology syndrome) followers who basically eat closer to Paleo, and they look slimmer!

499f188c87c6980742b9ba98caa6f563

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on November 16, 2011
at 01:15 PM

Hello, I'm PW Tubers and I'll be your accountant this quarter. Pure White Tubers? Peeled and Whittled Tubers? Surely now Post-Workout -- that's PWO.

37f4b3c51afbd92d259afaa171270874

(1219)

on April 16, 2011
at 04:11 PM

LOL! Aaron, you forgot the reduction sauces! I see you are no foodie :P

21e8ad2e1dcdb3a7c439b261f7efd9f0

on April 16, 2011
at 02:43 PM

I think the "significant changes in blood chemistry" thing is pseudo science. Until serrious facts are brought, this Is a dogma, from Torah and Qrun. By the way... Cows are sacred, for hindis. Ouch...

03fa485bfd54734522755f47a5e6597e

(3944)

on April 15, 2011
at 04:02 PM

One thing that may make them seem farther apart than they are is that if you spend time on a WAPF-driven discussion group (like the NT-discussion Yahoo group), a large part of the discussion is about grains -- soaking versus fermenting versus sprouting, to whey or not to whey, etc. (The other large topic is dairy in its various forms.) So it can seem like they're eating grain left and right. But that may only reflect the greater complexity in making grain edible. After all, how much discussion can you have about how to cook a steak? Heat it and eat it!

B3c62d89cd47b7d7209b6a99243d0ded

(10778)

on April 15, 2011
at 11:07 AM

I really hope you'll stay and learn and play with us here at PH. I'll admit that our policies are not the first thing you'll find when you land here.

B3c62d89cd47b7d7209b6a99243d0ded

(10778)

on April 15, 2011
at 11:05 AM

Not Kidding... We delight in trying to have intelligent discourse, and have more stringent policies than most of the web on self-promotion. http://paleohacks.com/questions/10373/meta-what-are-patrik-paleohacks-policies-when-it-comes-to-self-promotion ... Roy, I do see that you did point out your own site in your profile, and that is exactly right. I'm going to give you +1 for coming back and answering the question. In your first version above, you gave a great introduction of yourself and your work, but did not answer the question... There is an edit function if you want to change it.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on April 14, 2011
at 11:59 PM

Technicality-- "lipophobic" literally is fear of fat or rejection of fat. Of course, I presume you are using "lipidphobic" to differentiate these human people from the chemicals that can't dissolve in fat.

77732bf6bf2b8a360f523ef87c3b7523

(6157)

on April 14, 2011
at 11:27 PM

Nice catch, Paul. Also, minor quibble -- the open quotes on "Real Food" should be, well, open quotes.

C9367c2312e95492f0e34b88bbe55d82

on April 14, 2011
at 08:22 PM

To specifically answer the question, I went from WAPF to paleo to the original diet. My books are donated to public and university libraries, and their content is mostly available for free on the web. I self fund university research in the area of illness prevention, and lecture for free. Advertisement? You must be kidding.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on April 14, 2011
at 08:12 PM

Paul you are right, that arrow should start at paleo 2.0. I'll modify it when I get home.

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on April 14, 2011
at 08:02 PM

Wait, the real problem with the figure is that it suggests that lipidphobic paleo is somehow more authentically a recreation of paleolithic eating because it is to the left of lipidphilic paleo on the "amount of 'neolithic foods'" axis. But of course many of us think, including Melissa, that lipidphilic paleo is more authentic with respect to the question of fat consumption in the paleolithic.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on April 14, 2011
at 06:43 PM

Archevore pack#5299 reporting for duty SIR!

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on April 14, 2011
at 06:40 PM

Whoops, misread the arrows/blocks and directionality. I see that you don't mean any of those have more fat than the other ones. I do hope you realize that the color scheme is a strong stimulus for eating those little flecked Easter candy eggs.

B3c62d89cd47b7d7209b6a99243d0ded

(10778)

on April 14, 2011
at 06:06 PM

I really like your writing and approach to health research, but this answer comes across as an advertisement to me, and not really an answer to the question.

Medium avatar

(3029)

on April 14, 2011
at 04:50 PM

I agree with Aaron B. It depends a lot on how damaged you are coming into it. But I really believe in personal experimentation. I went totally gluten free for six months and then reintroduced good sourdough rye bread from a bakery. I eat a lot less grains than I did in the past, but for me, I don't see the benefit of cutting it out 100%. There is some stress in that too. On the other hand, I'm sure it's the right thing for some people to do. People shouldn't get uppity. It ain't healthy.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on April 14, 2011
at 04:39 PM

Also, the figure is pretty. But maybe you could make the lipidphobic paleo look less pretty, like adding some flames or blood or something?

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on April 14, 2011
at 04:35 PM

sally mentioned in an article somewhere that mary enig is not big on pork because she is jewish, but that she bends on that rule a bit since sally likes pork.

03fa485bfd54734522755f47a5e6597e

(3944)

on April 14, 2011
at 04:32 PM

That's interesting, because I always guessed that maybe one of the authors avoided pork for religious reasons. Which is totally fine, of course. I just would have preferred if the book said, "Hey, one of us doesn't eat pork, so you won't find any in here," rather than offering a very thin scientific reason. If not for that one paragraph, you'd think they forgot one of humanity's favorite meat animals even existed!

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on April 14, 2011
at 04:29 PM

Another way that it is cool- Archevore sounds like a creature from Jurassic Park. Oh no, Jeff Goldblum is surrounded by a pack of Archevores!!

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on April 14, 2011
at 04:26 PM

Suggestion: You don't really need to abbreviate "Amt", since there seems to be enough room and there aren't other similar abbreviations. Also, does WAPF have more fat than paleo 2.0? I would think it would have less, percentage wise, because of throwing some beans and grains in there.

03fa485bfd54734522755f47a5e6597e

(3944)

on April 14, 2011
at 04:25 PM

Yeah, you can't hate too much on a book that has full sections on organ meats and raw meat. How many cookbooks printed in the last 50 years can say that?

77732bf6bf2b8a360f523ef87c3b7523

(6157)

on April 14, 2011
at 03:44 PM

And by that I mean, I don't have any helpful suggestions on how to make it better. =)

77732bf6bf2b8a360f523ef87c3b7523

(6157)

on April 14, 2011
at 03:34 PM

Melissa, I wasn't criticizing so much as anticipating one of the many ways your fine diagram will be misinterpreted, since we are, after all, on the innerwebs.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on April 14, 2011
at 03:30 PM

lol David, I used Powerpoint! Apparently my powerpoints are impressive enough that my anth professor called me in to help with his presentation for the annual phys anth conference. So I'll be credited on the last slide of his talk on the endocasts of homo floresiensis.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on April 14, 2011
at 03:29 PM

Jae, that's why the arrow stops at the "lipophobe" point :P If you have another suggestion to how to portray it let me know. I have more graphics on my "my own eating plan" section of my site http://huntgatherlove.com/content/start-here-post

65125edd5aafad39b3d5b3a8b4a36bb7

(6082)

on April 14, 2011
at 03:28 PM

WAPF gets really uppity when you suggest that people shouldn't eat grains at all, period.

65125edd5aafad39b3d5b3a8b4a36bb7

(6082)

on April 14, 2011
at 03:26 PM

Melissa, what software do you use to make your charts? It looks fabulous

37f4b3c51afbd92d259afaa171270874

(1219)

on April 14, 2011
at 03:01 PM

I think you are correct that someone will initially gravitate to what interests them in making the transition. I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing. My favorite part of the book at first take was the raw meat appetizers section, which I was heavily into at the time and was constantly annoying grain heavy WAPF folks about this, lol

37f4b3c51afbd92d259afaa171270874

(1219)

on April 14, 2011
at 02:57 PM

By the way I am not anti-chocolate, anti-coffee (though I can't drink it) or anti-alcohol for that matter, all of which I think characterize Sally Fallon's views.

37f4b3c51afbd92d259afaa171270874

(1219)

on April 14, 2011
at 02:56 PM

Oh yes, I am familiar with that quote and the entire book actually, having bought multiple copies for family/friends. We had a interesting discussion about this on a list that Sally is a part of, and she said that part of the discussion was related to her co-author (who is Jewish), but also (IIRC) that she drew no conclusions as to whether those changes were significant. I do know she is a big fan of lard.

77732bf6bf2b8a360f523ef87c3b7523

(6157)

on April 14, 2011
at 02:23 PM

Your diagram will give some readers the impression that there is a natural progression from lipophobe to lipophile Paleo to WAPF, as people become more intelligent about their food choices. I don't think that's what you intended (right?) but I think some people will (mis)interpret it that way.

03fa485bfd54734522755f47a5e6597e

(3944)

on April 14, 2011
at 02:02 PM

I stand corrected. I should make clearer whether I'm talking about the NT cookbook or the latest recommendations from WAPF. Glad to see WAPF is taking that stand, because someone eating the SAD who discovers NT might conclude that the first things he needs to stock up on are almonds, Rapadura, and a variety of whole grains.

03fa485bfd54734522755f47a5e6597e

(3944)

on April 14, 2011
at 01:51 PM

Other substances they declare harmful, like white sugar and white flour, show up in a few recipes, but not a single one contains pork. That's a pretty big omission to base on one test that never proved anything, or even established what it was *trying* to prove. (Maybe Kurt Harris or one of the other doctors here can tell us whether "phase contour and dark field microscopy" are real science or something more akin to detecting the soul with Kirlian photography; I have no idea.) But again, I like the NT book and use it a lot. Just not for pork recipes.

03fa485bfd54734522755f47a5e6597e

(3944)

on April 14, 2011
at 01:45 PM

"... contamination. However, in fairness it must be noted that many groups noted for longevity, such as the inhabitants of Soviet Georgia and Okinawa, consume pork meat and lard in their diet on a daily basis. Lard is an excellent source of vitamin D." Footnote 117 says: "Using both phase contour and dark field microscopy, Dr. Pinto studied the blood profiles of patients....test subjects voluntarily discontinued pork consumption after initial blood asseys" so the tests couldn't be continued or followed up to see what the observed changes meant, if anything.

03fa485bfd54734522755f47a5e6597e

(3944)

on April 14, 2011
at 01:36 PM

The NT book is anti-pork. Here's everything it has to say about pork: "Investigation into the effects of pork consumption on blood chemistry has revealed serious changes for several hours after pork is consumed. (117) The pork used was organic, free of trichinosis, so the changes that occurred in the blood were due to some other factor, possibly a protein unique to pork. In the laboratory, pork is one of the best mediums for feeding the growth of cancer cells. The prohibition against pork found in the Bible and the Koran thus may derive from something other than a concern for parasite ..."

37f4b3c51afbd92d259afaa171270874

(1219)

on April 14, 2011
at 01:28 PM

Is WAPF really anti-pork? WAP certainly isn't.

37f4b3c51afbd92d259afaa171270874

(1219)

on April 14, 2011
at 01:25 PM

Sally Fallon is pretty anti-chocolate, and the WAPF conference has long offered gluten free meals and acknowledged some folks can't handle dairy.

37f4b3c51afbd92d259afaa171270874

(1219)

on April 14, 2011
at 01:23 PM

Paleo doesn't offer organ meats?

37f4b3c51afbd92d259afaa171270874

(1219)

on April 14, 2011
at 01:21 PM

Yeah legumes are a monster to say the least in terms of properly preparing them, best left alone by all camps IMO (except lentils)

37f4b3c51afbd92d259afaa171270874

(1219)

on April 14, 2011
at 01:20 PM

Yeah legumes are a mofo to say the least in terms of properly preparing them, best left alone by all camps IMO (except lentils)

37f4b3c51afbd92d259afaa171270874

(1219)

on April 14, 2011
at 01:18 PM

WAPF is officially on record as saying PUFA's should make up no more than 4% of the diet. You will be hard pressed to keep PUFA lower even on a strict paleo diet. Chris Masterjohn is on record as pointing out our actual need for PUFAs is even lower than that in his special report on PUFAs. The nut and flour replacement issue seems to be a huge issue in **both** camps, at least on the ground. Granted, dogmatic paleos (generally speaking) want to ditch honey, which is an interesting position indeed, but all in all on the "big three" officially I think there is very little difference.

37f4b3c51afbd92d259afaa171270874

(1219)

on April 14, 2011
at 01:08 PM

How do WAPF & Paleo differ? Depends on how you view WAPF. If WAPF is taken to mean the group that is seeking to extend the work of Dr. Price, then there is really little difference. Dr. Price observed groups that easily fit within "paleo" parameters. The difference then would be the groups he observed who fall outside of dogmatic paleo, i.e. who incorporate grains & dairy. If WAPF is taken to mean the current emphases of the Foundation, then there is a greater difference, but not a big one metabolically (if at all), provided someone tailors the approach to their own unique constitution.

Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

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on April 14, 2011
at 01:00 PM

This pretty much sums up my own feelings, as often it seems to me that both groups are capable of their own forms of tunnel vision, which are based on emotional investment in an ideology rather than anything more objective.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

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on April 14, 2011
at 12:09 PM

They are not that big......unless your paleo dogmatic

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

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on April 14, 2011
at 12:08 PM

Fat is scary delicious!

03fa485bfd54734522755f47a5e6597e

(3944)

on April 14, 2011
at 12:07 PM

WAPF doesn't avoid any of the big three, though it may reduce them. It's fine with grains, including gluten, as long as you soak/sprout them. On sweeteners, it only excludes the artificial ones and (mostly) table sugar, allowing natural sweeteners like honey and maple syrup. It says nuts are great, which can leave you with pretty high PUFA levels, especially if you start replacing grains with nut flours in an attempt to do WAPF grain-free and keep eating breads and desserts. Pretty big differences, even if your definition of paleo includes dairy. Both far better than SAD, of course.

1f24d4895246892ef4ee4d79b7f9eeeb

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on April 14, 2011
at 11:02 AM

The Big 3: Sugar, Flour, PUFA?

F9a0b72f38860d7601afd5a45bb53394

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on April 14, 2011
at 04:10 AM

I just plain love that new word he invented. It is awesome.

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on April 14, 2011
at 03:14 AM

Wow, I have no idea how you added that graphic to this forum. Very nice Melissa. Do you have other graphics on a blog? My Great Aunt is very interested in Paleo & I wanted to show her some nice graphics.

E2b9c679315c7c9c7265783dde89f350

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on April 14, 2011
at 02:36 AM

+1 for pretty :-)

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on April 14, 2011
at 02:25 AM

nice.............but colors are way too eastery

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on April 14, 2011
at 01:54 AM

I made a fancy graph

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on April 14, 2011
at 01:41 AM

I respect Dr Harris enough to call his plan what he wants, it's closest to my approach so the easiest to refer to.

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on April 14, 2011
at 01:39 AM

You've adopted the new monicker!?

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on April 14, 2011
at 12:51 AM

They are really on a spectrum paleo --->> paleo + dairy = primal/paleo 2.0 -----> primal + grains/legumes = WAPF

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on April 14, 2011
at 12:50 AM

dairy and fermented grains/legumes

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(198)

on April 14, 2011
at 12:45 AM

How does WAPF differ from Paleo? just (fermented) grains?

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Medium avatar

(3029)

on April 14, 2011
at 06:09 AM

I don't really see the contradiction. Most people are calling it Paleo when they don't eat grains. But Weston Price found huge discrepencies in the diets of traditional cultures around the world. The Massai don't (didn't?) eat grain, for instance.

I think the take home message is, if you're going to eat grains, prepare them how traditional cultures prepared them. If you choose not to eat grains, it doesn't mean that it's somehow not WAPF.

I guess I've never been big on labels.

Medium avatar

(3029)

on April 14, 2011
at 04:50 PM

I agree with Aaron B. It depends a lot on how damaged you are coming into it. But I really believe in personal experimentation. I went totally gluten free for six months and then reintroduced good sourdough rye bread from a bakery. I eat a lot less grains than I did in the past, but for me, I don't see the benefit of cutting it out 100%. There is some stress in that too. On the other hand, I'm sure it's the right thing for some people to do. People shouldn't get uppity. It ain't healthy.

65125edd5aafad39b3d5b3a8b4a36bb7

(6082)

on April 14, 2011
at 03:28 PM

WAPF gets really uppity when you suggest that people shouldn't eat grains at all, period.

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

(6259)

on November 22, 2011
at 04:50 PM

My family eats dairy in Paleo. I like the bone broths, fermented foods, and organ meats of WAPF. We share 80% in common with them. In the past 5 conferences of 1200ish people they look like the rest of America. Too many WAPF are obese and overweight - they lose credibility. I think grains and legumes can be prepared but many WAPF are addicted to carbs. They are eating SAD levels of carbs and grains and so aren't losing weight even with all the pastured meat and dairy! They have GAPS (Gut and Psychology syndrome) followers who basically eat closer to Paleo, and they look slimmer!

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

(6259)

on November 22, 2011
at 05:01 PM

My family eats Archevore/Perfect Health Diet Paleo. Love bone broths, fermented foods, and organ meats of WAPF. Paleo shares 80% with WAPF. In the past 5 conferences of 1200ish people they look like the rest of America. Too many WAPF are obese and overweight - they lose credibility. I think grains and legumes can be prepared but many WAPF are addicted to carbs. They are eating SAD levels of carbs and grains and so aren't losing weight even with all the pastured meat and dairy! They have GAPS (Gut and Psychology syndrome) followers who basically eat closer to Paleo, and they look slimmer!

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on April 14, 2011
at 05:13 AM

I started WAPF 5 years ago and just moved to Paleo a month ago. Melissa... the first time I even heard about paleo was from you at the WAPF conference in November! We met at the Real Food Media booth. When I met you (and then John Durant the next day) I "knew" paleo was right for me, but not pleased about the 'no grains' thing. :) Took me a few months to come to terms with that and prepare myself to make the switch.

For me, if I'd heard about Paleo 5 years ago my head would have spun off. WAPF is a much easier transition from SAD. And that transition was NOT easy at all, especially with a family to drag along behind me.

I like WAPF because of their focus on lacto-fermented veggies and fruits, which was just amazing to me. I have incorporated homemade beet kvass, sauerkraut, kimchi and ginger carrots into my daily paleo meals, which has really helped my digestion! Without Nourishing Traditions, I wouldn't be eating fermented veggies with my meat, which I think is part of why Paleo is successful for me now. Thank-you Sally Fallon Morell!

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03fa485bfd54734522755f47a5e6597e

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on April 14, 2011
at 12:24 PM

We found WAPF/NT first, but have transitioned to more of an archevore diet. There's a lot of crossover, so we still use many recipes from the NT book; we just stay out of the breads/desserts sections. As others have pointed out, their emphasis on fermented foods and organ meats is great. (Their anti-pork stance is less great.)

I suspect that if you were raised from birth on a WAPF/NT diet, even including soaked grains -- and you lived a traditional lifestyle otherwise, rising and sleeping with the sun, getting plenty of sunshine and fresh air, living without modernity's stresses, etc. -- you'd probably be fine. If I had kids, I'd probably allow them more of a WAPF/NT diet, as long as they seemed very healthy.

But very few people are in that situation; most of us are trying to fix decades of metabolic damage from neolithic foods and stresses (and we don't even know if complete repair is possible), and we don't have the option to leave our cubicles and cell phones and other stressors behind to go devote our days to hunting and gathering and sitting in the sun. So we can't necessarily get away with soaking grains to get rid of some of the harmful contents; we need to avoid all of them.

03fa485bfd54734522755f47a5e6597e

(3944)

on April 14, 2011
at 01:36 PM

The NT book is anti-pork. Here's everything it has to say about pork: "Investigation into the effects of pork consumption on blood chemistry has revealed serious changes for several hours after pork is consumed. (117) The pork used was organic, free of trichinosis, so the changes that occurred in the blood were due to some other factor, possibly a protein unique to pork. In the laboratory, pork is one of the best mediums for feeding the growth of cancer cells. The prohibition against pork found in the Bible and the Koran thus may derive from something other than a concern for parasite ..."

03fa485bfd54734522755f47a5e6597e

(3944)

on April 14, 2011
at 01:51 PM

Other substances they declare harmful, like white sugar and white flour, show up in a few recipes, but not a single one contains pork. That's a pretty big omission to base on one test that never proved anything, or even established what it was *trying* to prove. (Maybe Kurt Harris or one of the other doctors here can tell us whether "phase contour and dark field microscopy" are real science or something more akin to detecting the soul with Kirlian photography; I have no idea.) But again, I like the NT book and use it a lot. Just not for pork recipes.

03fa485bfd54734522755f47a5e6597e

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on April 14, 2011
at 04:32 PM

That's interesting, because I always guessed that maybe one of the authors avoided pork for religious reasons. Which is totally fine, of course. I just would have preferred if the book said, "Hey, one of us doesn't eat pork, so you won't find any in here," rather than offering a very thin scientific reason. If not for that one paragraph, you'd think they forgot one of humanity's favorite meat animals even existed!

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on April 14, 2011
at 04:35 PM

sally mentioned in an article somewhere that mary enig is not big on pork because she is jewish, but that she bends on that rule a bit since sally likes pork.

03fa485bfd54734522755f47a5e6597e

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on April 14, 2011
at 01:45 PM

"... contamination. However, in fairness it must be noted that many groups noted for longevity, such as the inhabitants of Soviet Georgia and Okinawa, consume pork meat and lard in their diet on a daily basis. Lard is an excellent source of vitamin D." Footnote 117 says: "Using both phase contour and dark field microscopy, Dr. Pinto studied the blood profiles of patients....test subjects voluntarily discontinued pork consumption after initial blood asseys" so the tests couldn't be continued or followed up to see what the observed changes meant, if anything.

37f4b3c51afbd92d259afaa171270874

(1219)

on April 14, 2011
at 01:28 PM

Is WAPF really anti-pork? WAP certainly isn't.

37f4b3c51afbd92d259afaa171270874

(1219)

on April 14, 2011
at 02:56 PM

Oh yes, I am familiar with that quote and the entire book actually, having bought multiple copies for family/friends. We had a interesting discussion about this on a list that Sally is a part of, and she said that part of the discussion was related to her co-author (who is Jewish), but also (IIRC) that she drew no conclusions as to whether those changes were significant. I do know she is a big fan of lard.

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on April 16, 2011
at 02:43 PM

I think the "significant changes in blood chemistry" thing is pseudo science. Until serrious facts are brought, this Is a dogma, from Torah and Qrun. By the way... Cows are sacred, for hindis. Ouch...

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A89f9751a97c3082802dc0bcbe4e9208

(13978)

on April 14, 2011
at 01:43 AM

I discovered WAPF just days or weeks before I discovered primal/paleo. I read "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration" in the evenings while I was perusing the "Definitive Guides" on Mark Sisson's website in the mornings.

I basically view them as both better than SAD. I think grains/dairy can be okay for some people IF they are prepared properly (according to WAPF) and IF they are real ancient grains or real raw and/or fermented/cultured dairy from heritage cows. Jury's still out for me on legumes.

I do better on low-carb, low-protein, high fat paleo. But when I do consume grains and dairy, I try to ensure that they are properly prepared from good sources.

37f4b3c51afbd92d259afaa171270874

(1219)

on April 14, 2011
at 01:21 PM

Yeah legumes are a monster to say the least in terms of properly preparing them, best left alone by all camps IMO (except lentils)

37f4b3c51afbd92d259afaa171270874

(1219)

on April 14, 2011
at 01:20 PM

Yeah legumes are a mofo to say the least in terms of properly preparing them, best left alone by all camps IMO (except lentils)

4
C8521a858edd480815a55f683afff86a

(2065)

on April 15, 2011
at 03:01 PM

I started out WAPF and discovered paleo through a WAPF nutrition blog. The author was questioning/giving up grains and did a post about why. I had never, ever read anything like it and I gave up grains that day. She had a link to Kurt Harris' blog and I went from there. Unfortunately I went too far (for me) and ended up eating VLC with bad results.

I feel more like a WAPF eater because they emphasize food quality first, pastured meats etc. and the importance of organs/whole animal and fermented foods. These things are not universally found in paleo dieting. I also like that they are out there as advocates for sustainable farming. Also, I am beginning to feel like it may be more useful to study the traditional societies of more recent times than speculate about paleo man.

4
4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

on April 14, 2011
at 01:21 AM

I started in WAPF and moved to Archevore.

I found I did better without grains/legumes even prepared.

Through extensive self experimentation I found I responded well to raw grassfed dairy and PW Tubers.

I respect the heck out of WAPF and consider it an awesome starting point for soft transition off of SAD.

I used Nourishing Traditions to transition my mom off SAD. She's also an "Archevore" Paleo2.0 eater now too, a fact I'm overjoyed with

F9a0b72f38860d7601afd5a45bb53394

(3618)

on April 14, 2011
at 04:10 AM

I just plain love that new word he invented. It is awesome.

A89f9751a97c3082802dc0bcbe4e9208

(13978)

on April 14, 2011
at 01:39 AM

You've adopted the new monicker!?

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on April 14, 2011
at 01:41 AM

I respect Dr Harris enough to call his plan what he wants, it's closest to my approach so the easiest to refer to.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on April 14, 2011
at 04:29 PM

Another way that it is cool- Archevore sounds like a creature from Jurassic Park. Oh no, Jeff Goldblum is surrounded by a pack of Archevores!!

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on April 14, 2011
at 06:43 PM

Archevore pack#5299 reporting for duty SIR!

499f188c87c6980742b9ba98caa6f563

(683)

on November 16, 2011
at 01:15 PM

Hello, I'm PW Tubers and I'll be your accountant this quarter. Pure White Tubers? Peeled and Whittled Tubers? Surely now Post-Workout -- that's PWO.

Da3d4a6835c0f5256b2ef829b3ba3393

on November 30, 2011
at 10:53 PM

Now if we can just get Dr. Harris to post some more. He needs to get that Porshe sold and get some more posts out!

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Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

(7304)

on April 14, 2011
at 10:49 AM

I started off paleo, and a very strict paleo at that. But the more I learned, the more I started thinking that things like dark chocolate and high quality dairy were not bad foods. So I include white rice and a few things that aren't strictly paleo, but don't seem harmful. This is probably more in line with WAPF, but I wouldn't identify with them because I'm still using paleo reasoning in determining my food choices and I don't agree with some of their positions (gluten grains ok when sprouted, raw milk is magic, etc.)

That being said, my paleo is probably closest in line to an archevore way of eating.

37f4b3c51afbd92d259afaa171270874

(1219)

on April 14, 2011
at 01:25 PM

Sally Fallon is pretty anti-chocolate, and the WAPF conference has long offered gluten free meals and acknowledged some folks can't handle dairy.

Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

(6433)

on April 14, 2011
at 01:00 PM

This pretty much sums up my own feelings, as often it seems to me that both groups are capable of their own forms of tunnel vision, which are based on emotional investment in an ideology rather than anything more objective.

37f4b3c51afbd92d259afaa171270874

(1219)

on April 14, 2011
at 02:57 PM

By the way I am not anti-chocolate, anti-coffee (though I can't drink it) or anti-alcohol for that matter, all of which I think characterize Sally Fallon's views.

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1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

on April 14, 2011
at 03:02 AM

I started WAPF and moved to Primal/archevore/paleo 2.0 relatively quickly. I just don't do well on grains. I think perhaps when I have lost the weight I need to lose I might be able to maintain with legumes, but overall I think grains make my stomach sick no matter how they are prepared.

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Dd017a9b1f2d6a9c220859f780da09c5

on April 14, 2011
at 01:44 AM

I started out WAPF-like (biggest difference being I didn't really drink milk nor did I ferment my grains), then abandoned grains to become paleo + dairy / primal (still don't drink milk, but do consume dairy products - butter/cream/kefir/some cheese)..

there's definitely a lot of overlap between the two.. especially in terms of meat and fats (at least with the high-fat version of paleo/primal that i do)..

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Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on April 14, 2011
at 01:13 AM

I disagree with the questions premise.....the differences are minute on an isometabolic level......on an esoteric level there is a difference. For health and longevity both have the goods.....so is it really a question or just a feeling.......? Both avoid the big three so either will get you to the promised land of a doctor free life

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on April 14, 2011
at 12:09 PM

They are not that big......unless your paleo dogmatic

03fa485bfd54734522755f47a5e6597e

(3944)

on April 14, 2011
at 12:07 PM

WAPF doesn't avoid any of the big three, though it may reduce them. It's fine with grains, including gluten, as long as you soak/sprout them. On sweeteners, it only excludes the artificial ones and (mostly) table sugar, allowing natural sweeteners like honey and maple syrup. It says nuts are great, which can leave you with pretty high PUFA levels, especially if you start replacing grains with nut flours in an attempt to do WAPF grain-free and keep eating breads and desserts. Pretty big differences, even if your definition of paleo includes dairy. Both far better than SAD, of course.

1f24d4895246892ef4ee4d79b7f9eeeb

(373)

on April 14, 2011
at 11:02 AM

The Big 3: Sugar, Flour, PUFA?

37f4b3c51afbd92d259afaa171270874

(1219)

on April 14, 2011
at 03:01 PM

I think you are correct that someone will initially gravitate to what interests them in making the transition. I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing. My favorite part of the book at first take was the raw meat appetizers section, which I was heavily into at the time and was constantly annoying grain heavy WAPF folks about this, lol

03fa485bfd54734522755f47a5e6597e

(3944)

on April 14, 2011
at 02:02 PM

I stand corrected. I should make clearer whether I'm talking about the NT cookbook or the latest recommendations from WAPF. Glad to see WAPF is taking that stand, because someone eating the SAD who discovers NT might conclude that the first things he needs to stock up on are almonds, Rapadura, and a variety of whole grains.

37f4b3c51afbd92d259afaa171270874

(1219)

on April 14, 2011
at 01:18 PM

WAPF is officially on record as saying PUFA's should make up no more than 4% of the diet. You will be hard pressed to keep PUFA lower even on a strict paleo diet. Chris Masterjohn is on record as pointing out our actual need for PUFAs is even lower than that in his special report on PUFAs. The nut and flour replacement issue seems to be a huge issue in **both** camps, at least on the ground. Granted, dogmatic paleos (generally speaking) want to ditch honey, which is an interesting position indeed, but all in all on the "big three" officially I think there is very little difference.

03fa485bfd54734522755f47a5e6597e

(3944)

on April 14, 2011
at 04:25 PM

Yeah, you can't hate too much on a book that has full sections on organ meats and raw meat. How many cookbooks printed in the last 50 years can say that?

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C491ff8ce20d5c17f8f7ff94392a9570

(1617)

on April 14, 2011
at 06:03 PM

Started low carb, went to low-to-moderate carb paleo, then to moderate carb whole foods with WAPFish overtones. I tried to get back into paleo this year but started experiencing the same negative side effects I had last time around, so I think I might just throw in the towel, stop thinking of myself as paleo, and eat what I know works for me right now. Which is pretty WAPFish I guess, but maybe could be considered paleo 2.0. Health >> ideology.

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63c01bfc2dcb311b5eba76108c8a2efe

(20)

on April 14, 2011
at 02:02 PM

I started on a low fat diet high in complex carbohydrates. After 5 years of that I had full on metabolic syndrome and no energy despite following the Government's dietary and exercise recommendations to a tee.

I started researching metabolic syndrome as my fasting glucose continued to creep up. I ran across Cordain's strict lipid-phobic paleo and decided to do a one month challenge. I already cooked most of my meals, so the transition was simple for me. After two weeks I felt fantastic, but I needed to understand why/how it worked, and why I had never heard of any of this before.

I read some paleo books, then Good Calories Bad Calories, then WAPF materials, then the primal blueprint, and finally started reading all of the wonderful blogs (Panu/Archevore, The daily Lipid, Hyperlipid, Segan Martinez, Hunt Gather Love, Mark's Daily Apple, etc) I have pretty much moved to the Archevore/primal diet with occasional Rice (SUSHI!) and Masa. No beans, wheat, or sweeteners.

I respect low-fat paleo as it started this adventure for me, but it's no fun to live off of protein and fiber alone! If you add some fat and make meal delicious and nutritious.

I've been on this diet for months and I am pretty content with it, but this is by no means a dogma - I read constantly and am happy to experiment with new information, so keep posting!

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E35e3d76547b18096a59c90029e7e107

(15613)

on April 14, 2011
at 12:05 PM

Great chart!

I would consider myself pretty strongly un-WAPF and strongly 'PaNu' (although by this I mean the position that I was before reading PaNu).

I take the distinctive feature of PaNu to be taking one's lead from the hard science, biochemistry and thus choosing foods mimic the metabolic effects of those we adapted to on that basis. WAPF I presume take their lead more from foods traditionally consumed by 'healthy cultures' even where the healthy cultures are post-agricultural and hence the belief that legumes, grains or dairy, properly prepared are sufficiently tolerable to be widely recommended. Plain Paleo, presumably just means, taking one's starting point from what was eaten in the paleolithic; Cordain seems to be a plain paleo, in this sense, though you could also be a lipophilic paleo (preferring meat-fat to dairy-fat).

I consider myself more PaNu in that I am inclined to privilege metabolic evidence even over paleo reasoning and much less WAPF, in that I'm inclined to be sceptical of how good, certain traditionally tolerable foods are. This is summed up in another of KH's dictums, regardless of his current position, that 'tolerated isn't optimal.' Clearly either of these two positions could be more liberal than the plain Paleo position I've outlined above, e.g. you could allow eating non-Paleo butter either because you think it's metabolically equivalent (or even metabolically superior to Paleo foods), or because you know that healthy cultures eat lots of it. Interestingly though, I think PaNu reasoning could make you either more or less tolerant of foods though. While it might allow you to include butter on metabolic grounds, it could also lead you to be more sceptical of food accepted by plain Paleos/WAPF traditionalists, or indeed certain 'whole foods' in general, on the basis that they seem tolerable, but metabolically suboptimal. This is pretty much my position, though KH has made it clear from his new 'Archevore' writings, that he's moving away from this position and towards a more 'whole foods' model.

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03b67d2b8e9e878147cb3f225c864207

(761)

on April 14, 2011
at 04:18 AM

I think the two main things that WAPF offers that strict Paleo prescription often doesn't include are fermented foods and organ meats. Strict paleo + fermented foods and organ meats is ideal.

37f4b3c51afbd92d259afaa171270874

(1219)

on April 14, 2011
at 01:23 PM

Paleo doesn't offer organ meats?

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9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on April 14, 2011
at 12:37 AM

I've been a total waffler. I started paleo and then I moved more towards WAPF because I was making poverty-level wages and couldn't afford much good food. Then I moved back towards paleo when I got a "real job." Lately I've moved towards WAPF because of last year's blood pressure fiasco (I collapsed from really low blood pressure). My blood pressure issues have resolved with a more WAPF-style diet, but some skin issues came back. I feel like I'm playing whack a mole with health issues, but really I just need to ID what I"m sensitive to a little better.

3b803506ca7d7b5796bc16ee5b9f11d3

(198)

on April 14, 2011
at 12:45 AM

How does WAPF differ from Paleo? just (fermented) grains?

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on April 14, 2011
at 12:50 AM

dairy and fermented grains/legumes

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on April 14, 2011
at 12:51 AM

They are really on a spectrum paleo --->> paleo + dairy = primal/paleo 2.0 -----> primal + grains/legumes = WAPF

37f4b3c51afbd92d259afaa171270874

(1219)

on April 14, 2011
at 01:08 PM

How do WAPF & Paleo differ? Depends on how you view WAPF. If WAPF is taken to mean the group that is seeking to extend the work of Dr. Price, then there is really little difference. Dr. Price observed groups that easily fit within "paleo" parameters. The difference then would be the groups he observed who fall outside of dogmatic paleo, i.e. who incorporate grains & dairy. If WAPF is taken to mean the current emphases of the Foundation, then there is a greater difference, but not a big one metabolically (if at all), provided someone tailors the approach to their own unique constitution.

03fa485bfd54734522755f47a5e6597e

(3944)

on April 15, 2011
at 04:02 PM

One thing that may make them seem farther apart than they are is that if you spend time on a WAPF-driven discussion group (like the NT-discussion Yahoo group), a large part of the discussion is about grains -- soaking versus fermenting versus sprouting, to whey or not to whey, etc. (The other large topic is dairy in its various forms.) So it can seem like they're eating grain left and right. But that may only reflect the greater complexity in making grain edible. After all, how much discussion can you have about how to cook a steak? Heat it and eat it!

37f4b3c51afbd92d259afaa171270874

(1219)

on April 16, 2011
at 04:11 PM

LOL! Aaron, you forgot the reduction sauces! I see you are no foodie :P

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9a5e2da94ad63ea3186dfa494e16a8d1

on December 01, 2011
at 01:58 AM

I ate the WAPF diet for about 6-7 months, and enjoyed the food, and really jived with the nutritional theory and science, but did not lose weight or gain muscle or really feel any different vs. a SAD diet.

When I switched from that diet to Paleo, which basically meant dropping grains and eating more protein for breakfast, I immediately lost weight and felt better. I jusr can't handle the grains, even prepared "traditionally".

Adding intense, strength-based exercise really made a big difference too, and that is not really mentioned in the WAPF schtick.

I don't mean to sound sexist, but the WAPF diet seems geared towards middle aged women.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on December 03, 2011
at 04:03 AM

It's actually geared towards women of child bearing age. :-)

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2c8c421cf0e0c462654c7dc37f8b9711

(2729)

on July 23, 2011
at 03:07 AM

I started out Weston Price, then cut out grains and dairy to help me lose weight. I stumbled across Robb Wolf's podcast and became convinced that grains shouldn't be a part of a healthy diet, so I turned paleo. I still incorporate all the good stuff of WAPF (tons of fermented veggies, organ meat, bone broth, raw grassfed butter when I can get it), just leave out the bad stuff (grains-- even sprouted--, other dairy, all sugars and sweeteners. Okay I lied. I still eat raw cheese sometimes.)

1
77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 20, 2011
at 02:46 PM

It all started with Atkins (1st time in 1987!) I was still in the grip of "fat is bad" and felt it couldn't be healthy or sustainable for me. Flash forward to 2006 and The Omnivore's Dilemma which began a reading jag of books that changed my way of thinking about what effects food has on my body, the environment, politics etc.

All that reading led to WAPF via Nourishing traditions, which I immediately adopted. Full circle with Lierre Keith, The Healthy Skeptic blog and Paleo (hacks).

I would love to read peoples stories regarding their history with learning about health and changing their diets to reflect the wisdom they've gained.

1
91c2e2a35e578e2e79ce7d631b753879

on April 14, 2011
at 03:40 PM

Well, it really all depends - our diet is sort of a combination of both.

I buy (very expensive) sprouted grain bread for my teenage son, who is the only member of our household who eats grains of any sort, and when we eat nuts (only occasionally) and legumes (rarely) I soak and prepare them as instructed in Nourishing Traditions. I cook with small amounts of honey and maple syrup, but have a 2 lb. bag of evaporated cane juice that's been hanging around for months; if I've used 1/4 cup of it, I'd be surprised. I have yet to ferment any fruits or vegetables, but that's on my list of things to do this summer once our CSA co-op deliveries begin. We try to buy local produce grown on small, local, organic farms as much as we can. We freeze and preserve as much as we can.

We only eat grass-fed/finished beef, pastured pork (we're sourcing an entire Berkshire in a couple of months), pastured poultry and eggs and lamb. We eat organ meats a couple of times a month - mostly beef liver, but I have both beef tongue and heart in the freezer I am screwing up my courage to prepare. I cook with a lot of lard and tallow. We don't have access to raw dairy (yet) but we only buy vat pasteurized, non-homogenized milk and butter from a local farm whose cows are entirely grass-fed. I try to buy only raw milk cheese. The dairy is for my husband and son; I'm avoiding it now due to what I suspect is a casein sensitivity.

Have I mentioned that most of my family thinks I'm nuts?

1
61b801de5dc345b557cd4623d4a4f26b

(2682)

on April 14, 2011
at 03:17 PM

I started out eating the SAD diet and at some point went the South Beach Diet route. That worked well, except I was hungry a lot. I slipped back into the SAD diet. I tried a couple elimination diets (no dairy, no added sugar, that type of thing), but didn't notice much difference

I eventually moved towards a low/no processed foods diet. I saw the biggest change after this move. My food tasted better and I felt better and started dropping pounds. From there I cut out wheat/gluten and began limiting sugar as well.

I suppose if I had to put myself and my eating habits in a category, it would be closest to Archevore. As some have said earlier, I like his reasons for why he eats the way he does. It is logical to me to follow science instead of "what people used to eat." I like Grok and all, but I didn't stop eating processed foods b/c Grok didn't eat them. I stopped eating processed foods b/c they're full of crap that's not really food. 8)

1
E2b9c679315c7c9c7265783dde89f350

on April 14, 2011
at 03:00 AM

I'm in the experimenting stage. I consider myself closer to WAPF in ideology, but I usually eat about 80/20 Primal. I have no digestive problems with soaked legumes, but I never liked beans much anyway. I don't eat much sugar when I'm off gluten (except for an incredible coconut flour chocolate cake that I make- which isn't often), and I'm currently in the middle of the gluten experiments, which are suggesting that gluten be mostly permanently removed from my diet- even when fermented.

I don't really track though, so even though I think I fall pretty close to Primal/Lacto-Paleo most of the time, I still prefer to label myself as a WAPFer. I think because the definition is so much looser that I don't have to worry about losing my identity when I have an off week. That's why I only answer when I feel like my knowledge or experience justifies my speaking up, and why I don't ask questions here. I appreciate that Patrik wants to keep this site focused, and I don't want to contribute to unnecessary broadening of the subject.

On the other hand, without actually fully going Paleo myself, I've converted at least one friend, and have several others looking into it. :-)

0
77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 30, 2011
at 08:08 PM

The thing I like least about paleo anything is what jerks people seem to be on the forums (see Adam Crafter's comment above as an example) and I've seen several more instances of this all across this website. Is there a good reason for this random hostility? Not to take sides, but I've never seen anything like this on a WAPF site. Why so rampant on this site?

0
77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 16, 2011
at 11:14 AM

I started eating a paleo 2.0 diet in 2004 after making the decision to eat meat for the first time in 10 years. A few years later I tried to re-introduce soaked, fermented oats after learning about WAPF, but horrible symptoms including dizziness, fatigue, headaches, and allergies returned within days after re-introducing the grains. I now eat mostly non-starchy veggies, grass-fed meat, organ meat, fish, bone broths, butter, and coconut oil. To my surprise, this way of eating has lowered my LDL cholesterol to 45.

0
D10ca8d11301c2f4993ac2279ce4b930

(5242)

on July 23, 2011
at 03:47 AM

I changed from WAPF to Paleo. WAPF is great and still respect there advice on many topics more than a lot of paleo folks. I think they have a less theoretical lens with which to view dietary advice. However, I was pretty darn wheat intolerant / possibly celiacs and I just wasn't getting the results I needed until Robb kicked my butt into ditching the grains, legumes and dairy for a month. A lot of paleo folks would shun my occasional consumption of quinoa, buckwheat, oatmeal (gf of course), brown rice and millet. It doesn't make me feel bad and makes being good company easier. The stress WAPF puts on nutrient dense food has definitely made my version of the paleo diet more nutrient dense than most. Also I really feel strongly about best practices in farm and WAPF promotion of traditional farming techniques is really unparalleled. Overall, WAPF didn't work for me because of a sensitivity that they don't stress too heavily but now that I know that I have it, bob back and forth between Paleo and WAPF communities (and Ray Peat's jazz).

0
C9367c2312e95492f0e34b88bbe55d82

on April 14, 2011
at 03:44 PM

After twenty years of research in the fields of anthropology, paleopathology, ethnobotany, zoopharmacognosy, and primatology, some of the conclusions I came to are: Price's work has been mischaracterized, and Cordain's work is not indicative of an early paleo diet. So, following clues from nature, I recorded my observations in the form of "The Original Diet," supported by hundreds of references and the ABC test (Available Before Civilization). Some call it paleo on steroids. I also recorded how nature intended us to detoxify, which includes eating certain soil components.

I am an advisory board member of PPNF, and author of several books on nature-based primary illness prevention.

Roy Mankovitz

B3c62d89cd47b7d7209b6a99243d0ded

(10778)

on April 15, 2011
at 11:05 AM

Not Kidding... We delight in trying to have intelligent discourse, and have more stringent policies than most of the web on self-promotion. http://paleohacks.com/questions/10373/meta-what-are-patrik-paleohacks-policies-when-it-comes-to-self-promotion ... Roy, I do see that you did point out your own site in your profile, and that is exactly right. I'm going to give you +1 for coming back and answering the question. In your first version above, you gave a great introduction of yourself and your work, but did not answer the question... There is an edit function if you want to change it.

B3c62d89cd47b7d7209b6a99243d0ded

(10778)

on April 15, 2011
at 11:07 AM

I really hope you'll stay and learn and play with us here at PH. I'll admit that our policies are not the first thing you'll find when you land here.

B3c62d89cd47b7d7209b6a99243d0ded

(10778)

on April 14, 2011
at 06:06 PM

I really like your writing and approach to health research, but this answer comes across as an advertisement to me, and not really an answer to the question.

C9367c2312e95492f0e34b88bbe55d82

on April 14, 2011
at 08:22 PM

To specifically answer the question, I went from WAPF to paleo to the original diet. My books are donated to public and university libraries, and their content is mostly available for free on the web. I self fund university research in the area of illness prevention, and lecture for free. Advertisement? You must be kidding.

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Be4b60059db3511771303de1613ecb67

(1137)

on April 14, 2011
at 11:05 AM

I was eating along WAPF guidelines for about 3 years when I learned about my gluten/casein intolerance. In addition, I never did very well on any form of sugar (sugar high, sugar crash) So I switched to eating along Primal Blueprint guidelines. My body is doing much better now.

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