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Did great on 85/15 paleo, having major digestive upset on strict paleo. What gives?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created May 02, 2013 at 8:54 PM

I started eating paleo in January (about 4months ago) and felt amazing. The 15% would be the occasional side of white rice or a little goat cheese). I decided to try a 30-day strict paleo challenge to ween my way off sugar a bit and I'm finding my body protesting in a major way. I am on day 24, and on my third major upset in the 24 days with stabbing upper stomach pain, nausea and loose stool. I've had to come home from work because of the pain. I ate a hardboiled egg and some raw broccoli that I believe set me off this time. As part of this challenge I cut out all processed meats (bacon, sausage, lunch meat), dried fruit, paleo-ized baking/goodies, added sweeteners and cut down to three servings of fruit per day, max. Two weeks in I decided to eliminate nuts, and cut my fruit servings to two per day, max and only berries. My average day is as follows: Breakfast: 2 egg scramble with a big portion of veggies: mushrooms, yams, spinach, bell pepper, zucchini and homemade salsa, with a glass of almond milk. Lunch: three hardboiled eggs, big portion of raw mixed veggies (snap peas, carrots, broccoli), some strawberries, sometimes a can of tuna or some chicken breast on spinach with olive oil and balsamic vinegar. Dinner: always varies, normally a meat/fish of some kind with a side of veggies (a starch and a green) with sometimes a piece of fruit for dessert.

Any suggestions? This pain is unbearable. Have a call into the doctor, even though I hate the idea of taking any medications. Thank you in advance!

38bbf704a00cc9a86cd45eba5a7d91ad

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on May 03, 2013
at 05:03 PM

One of the times I had eaten yellow and spaghetti squash in one meal with a chili (had some spice to it and tomato sauce, etc). And the other, I can't remember exactly what I had eaten but it was at the start of this challenge. The symptoms you described were spot on. Very painful. I have had a history of stomach issues that were mostly cured by eliminating gluten, soy and dairy a year ago. Haven't felt stomach pain like this in a long time. Thanks for your input! I'm going to steer clear of broccoli for the time being.

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on May 03, 2013
at 03:51 PM

I'm thinking the oxalaic acids are causing you pain, turnip greens are one of the lowest oxalaic acid green veggies I've found which is why I recommend them. Yams and sweet potatoes are from different plant families, sweet potatoes can be all sorts of colors, white or orange or sometimes even purple.

38bbf704a00cc9a86cd45eba5a7d91ad

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on May 03, 2013
at 03:00 PM

Thank you for the suggestions!! I have lost weight. I attributed that to the reduction in sugar intake, nuts and carbs like rice. I have had a history of large weight gains/losses prior to paleo. Although they were over longer periods of time. Thank you so much for the recommendations!

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on May 03, 2013
at 02:55 PM

While I agree with what you're suggesting food-wise, calling someone a retard does nothing but make you look like an ass.

38bbf704a00cc9a86cd45eba5a7d91ad

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on May 03, 2013
at 02:55 PM

I think you're right about the spinach. It seems like greens in general are contributing to stomach upset right now. Which is weird to me!! I've never had a problem with them. Ill try turnip greens. When you say sweet potatoes are you talking about white sweet potatoes? I've been using yams, and I know there is an overlap. I appreciate your suggestions! Ill give them a try.

38bbf704a00cc9a86cd45eba5a7d91ad

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on May 03, 2013
at 02:48 PM

I agree entirely. I'm going to cut back on number of ingredients so I can start getting an idea of what works for me and what doesn't. A true elimination diet may be in the close future. Thanks for your input, I appreciate it!

38bbf704a00cc9a86cd45eba5a7d91ad

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on May 03, 2013
at 02:44 PM

Thank you guys for the input. Ill definitely back off on the eggs. They are just a quick protein source for me, but I know there are a lot of other options. Just need to be more prepared! Lazza- that is interesting about the carb consumption bit. Ill give it a little more time and see if I start feeling better. I think it was a lot to change all at once. Thanks!

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on May 03, 2013
at 01:40 PM

5 eggs a day are a lot. Hunter/gatherers would never find that many in the wild to feed their whole tribe -- daily. Ween off that many eggs (or eliminate them completely for 2 weeks to see if you're developing an allergy). And definitely eat fruits and some starch, in moderation. You don't have to go ketogenic to be Paleo.

75d65450b6ff0be7b969fb321f1200ac

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on May 03, 2013
at 11:20 AM

If you have indeed developed an egg allergy you can really only know by COMPLETELY eliminating eggs for a test period (say, 2 weeks). This will be enough time for antibodies targeted to egg protein to fade away. It is really an all or nothing proposition. Yet I have another suggestion - WAIT. It sounds like you've cut back on your carb consumption. This means your gut flora is likely to be evolving, mostly due to yeast die-off. Give yourself six weeks for the turbulence to settle. If still no improvement eliminate eggs. If that doesn't work then see a gastroenterologist.

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on May 03, 2013
at 01:26 AM

It's just hard to say unless you do a true elimination diet. From your comment above I would say that some people do have an issue with the goitrogens in raw vegetables and do better on cooked (the cooking process destroys goitrogens). You could play around with that and see if you feel better/worse.

38bbf704a00cc9a86cd45eba5a7d91ad

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on May 02, 2013
at 10:45 PM

Once I'm done with the 30 days I think I will definitely be going back (mostly, with the exception of the sugar intake) to the way I was eating before. Thank you for the suggestion. Just wondering what could be causing the upset, because it seems odd to me.

38bbf704a00cc9a86cd45eba5a7d91ad

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on May 02, 2013
at 10:43 PM

Thank you for the suggestion. I've never had issues with eggs, that I can remember, however replacing them on occasion with other protein sources wouldnt hurt. I believe it was the broccoli that set me off. I don't really understand that either. But I hadn't had raw broccoli in a while.

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5e5ff249c9161b8cd96d7eff6043bc3a

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on May 02, 2013
at 09:36 PM

If you felt better on 85/15 paleo or whatever, do that. Strict paleo isn't better because it's strict paleo.

5e5ff249c9161b8cd96d7eff6043bc3a

(4713)

on May 03, 2013
at 01:26 AM

It's just hard to say unless you do a true elimination diet. From your comment above I would say that some people do have an issue with the goitrogens in raw vegetables and do better on cooked (the cooking process destroys goitrogens). You could play around with that and see if you feel better/worse.

38bbf704a00cc9a86cd45eba5a7d91ad

(15)

on May 02, 2013
at 10:45 PM

Once I'm done with the 30 days I think I will definitely be going back (mostly, with the exception of the sugar intake) to the way I was eating before. Thank you for the suggestion. Just wondering what could be causing the upset, because it seems odd to me.

38bbf704a00cc9a86cd45eba5a7d91ad

(15)

on May 03, 2013
at 02:48 PM

I agree entirely. I'm going to cut back on number of ingredients so I can start getting an idea of what works for me and what doesn't. A true elimination diet may be in the close future. Thanks for your input, I appreciate it!

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75d65450b6ff0be7b969fb321f1200ac

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on May 02, 2013
at 09:31 PM

Your eating five eggs a day? Perhaps you've developed an egg allergy? Substitute the eggs and see how you get on.

_Lazza

38bbf704a00cc9a86cd45eba5a7d91ad

(15)

on May 02, 2013
at 10:43 PM

Thank you for the suggestion. I've never had issues with eggs, that I can remember, however replacing them on occasion with other protein sources wouldnt hurt. I believe it was the broccoli that set me off. I don't really understand that either. But I hadn't had raw broccoli in a while.

3eca93d2e56dfcd768197dc5a50944f2

(11697)

on May 03, 2013
at 01:40 PM

5 eggs a day are a lot. Hunter/gatherers would never find that many in the wild to feed their whole tribe -- daily. Ween off that many eggs (or eliminate them completely for 2 weeks to see if you're developing an allergy). And definitely eat fruits and some starch, in moderation. You don't have to go ketogenic to be Paleo.

38bbf704a00cc9a86cd45eba5a7d91ad

(15)

on May 03, 2013
at 02:44 PM

Thank you guys for the input. Ill definitely back off on the eggs. They are just a quick protein source for me, but I know there are a lot of other options. Just need to be more prepared! Lazza- that is interesting about the carb consumption bit. Ill give it a little more time and see if I start feeling better. I think it was a lot to change all at once. Thanks!

75d65450b6ff0be7b969fb321f1200ac

(2506)

on May 03, 2013
at 11:20 AM

If you have indeed developed an egg allergy you can really only know by COMPLETELY eliminating eggs for a test period (say, 2 weeks). This will be enough time for antibodies targeted to egg protein to fade away. It is really an all or nothing proposition. Yet I have another suggestion - WAIT. It sounds like you've cut back on your carb consumption. This means your gut flora is likely to be evolving, mostly due to yeast die-off. Give yourself six weeks for the turbulence to settle. If still no improvement eliminate eggs. If that doesn't work then see a gastroenterologist.

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on May 03, 2013
at 03:20 PM

I'm not so sure on the eggs. What were you eating the other times you had problems? Broccoli as well? Broccoli's hard to digest raw, and can cause bloating/gas/cramping/diarrhea in people. Hrm, come to think of it, pretty much the same symptoms YOU'RE talking about isn't it? This is assuming it doesn't have E-coli or salmonella and the like on it from the pickers as well...

Broccoli and other cruciferous veggies are bad for IBS, so if you think you have that, you might want to avoid them for a bit.

38bbf704a00cc9a86cd45eba5a7d91ad

(15)

on May 03, 2013
at 05:03 PM

One of the times I had eaten yellow and spaghetti squash in one meal with a chili (had some spice to it and tomato sauce, etc). And the other, I can't remember exactly what I had eaten but it was at the start of this challenge. The symptoms you described were spot on. Very painful. I have had a history of stomach issues that were mostly cured by eliminating gluten, soy and dairy a year ago. Haven't felt stomach pain like this in a long time. Thanks for your input! I'm going to steer clear of broccoli for the time being.

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74786bbe8254844304a33943290c4d6d

on May 03, 2013
at 02:52 PM

Eat STARCH. Potatoes are not evil.

Starch will seriously aid your digestion, especially if you lower your fat intake.

All that insoluble fiber in your veggies is wrecking havoc on your gut.

I had undiagnosed gallbladder disease for well over ten years before it was finally removed. It was the worst pain of my life. Your symptoms do not sound typical, although I may be wrong.

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on May 03, 2013
at 01:31 PM

Hey Lauren - it sounds like you may be having gallbladder problems. Def check it out with a doctor. Don't let them put you on pepcid or something ... insist on bloodwork. That will reveal if there is a problem worth checking into.

Your problem probably started as you eliminated some of your starches and went even higher on the fat. Have you also lost weight? That will trigger gallbladder issues, esp if you have a past with large weight gain/loss phases.

Some ideas to help you ... take Ox Bile with meals (it's very cheap). It will help you digest the fat and help with the loose stools. It will also take some work load off your gb if that is the problem. Also, especially if you are going to eat broccoli, look into taking enzymes with your meals. Search on here for good brands people like.

If you continue having digestive issues, you may want to look through this website:

http://www.eat-real-food-paleodietitian.com/

38bbf704a00cc9a86cd45eba5a7d91ad

(15)

on May 03, 2013
at 03:00 PM

Thank you for the suggestions!! I have lost weight. I attributed that to the reduction in sugar intake, nuts and carbs like rice. I have had a history of large weight gains/losses prior to paleo. Although they were over longer periods of time. Thank you so much for the recommendations!

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Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on May 03, 2013
at 01:58 AM

It could be the hard boiled eggs, are they cold? The sound of cold hard oiled eggs upsets my stomach slightly just thinking about it. But you seem to indicate you might be in pain? In which case I'd venture to bet the spinach or yams are messing with you, change the spinach to turnip greens, at least lightly steam all your veggies, and prefer to cook a little more thoroughly. If that doesn't do the trick then consider switching up your carb source, to boiled sweet potatoes, potatoes or rice. And remove the skin before you eat your potatoes girl!

38bbf704a00cc9a86cd45eba5a7d91ad

(15)

on May 03, 2013
at 02:55 PM

I think you're right about the spinach. It seems like greens in general are contributing to stomach upset right now. Which is weird to me!! I've never had a problem with them. Ill try turnip greens. When you say sweet potatoes are you talking about white sweet potatoes? I've been using yams, and I know there is an overlap. I appreciate your suggestions! Ill give them a try.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on May 03, 2013
at 03:51 PM

I'm thinking the oxalaic acids are causing you pain, turnip greens are one of the lowest oxalaic acid green veggies I've found which is why I recommend them. Yams and sweet potatoes are from different plant families, sweet potatoes can be all sorts of colors, white or orange or sometimes even purple.

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on May 03, 2013
at 10:45 AM

You didn't go pure paleo. You went pure retard. No where in a Paleo diet (except from Hucksters here) is it recommended to limit your carbs or this stipud ridiculous thing of 2 fruits max. per day.

Paleo is simple- Eat when hungry. Eat fruits, veggies, meats, nuts. Simple as that.

74786bbe8254844304a33943290c4d6d

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on May 03, 2013
at 02:55 PM

While I agree with what you're suggesting food-wise, calling someone a retard does nothing but make you look like an ass.

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