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Crazy autoimmune flareup after paleo

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created April 19, 2011 at 12:46 PM

OK So I have never in my life had any obvious autoimmune problems in my life, besides the obesity. Now about 2 months in to Paleo, a few days ago I noticed a weird patch of exzcema on my knee, I have a weird raised allergic looking itchy red patch on my chest, stuffy hazy feeling head (I've had to neti twice this week,) and I keep getting mouth ulcers. WTF???!! This only JUST started.

The only thing I can think of is that I had all these problems before but years of SAD had made my body slightly tolerant of the allergens and maybe when I ate out a few days ago (just steak and broccoli) there was cross contamination. Does this sound right???

Just as a background I am a lacto-paleo but I only eat some raw cheese, grassfed butter, and some cream, and then the rest I'm a strict VLC paleo. No 90/10 over here. I flat out don't cheat. I eat 3 meals a day, 2 of which usually have a dark green vegetable with it like asparagus, kale, rappini cooked in grassfed butter, etc; usually a lacto fermented veggie like sauerkraut or pickled beets, usually red meat that's most often grassfed except for breakfast which is usually a little whole cream, 2 eggs cooked in ghee, cod liver oil, and a few times a week I eat some bacon. I eat SOME night shades occasionally like tomato and bellpeppers but I've never had a problem with them. About twice a week I drink a shake with raw grassfed liver (that I've frozen for 14 days,) cream, and a raw pastured egg yolk. We eat chicken about once a week, I drink home made bone broth from marrow bones regularly, and I try to have a salad for lunch at least 4-5 times a week.

As far as supplements go, I take 4000k Carlson D3 which has no soybean oil, Whole foods prenatal (I'm breastfeeding,) 100iu of k-2, and Carlson's Cod liver oil, and usually I take a probiotic but the last 3 weeks I haven't gotten around to buying one.

Anyway, I'm probably going to cut out the dairy starting when I go on vacation on thursday, because my weight has suddenly stalled in the past 2 weeks and see if that helps, but I doubt the allergic flareups are being caused by dairy. I just hate to cut dairy because I'm nursing. I've never been tested for allergies because previous to this I never thought I had any allergies.

Has anyone here experienced this?

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on April 20, 2011
at 04:13 PM

OK, I won't really have access to it during my vacation starting tomorrow so if the flareups go down I'll let you know.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on April 20, 2011
at 04:12 PM

My general physician said they looked allergic. He's very pro- WAPF/Paleo and told me if I put something anti-fungal on my skin it might get worse. I really don't want to eat starches because I have bingeing issues and they seem to trigger it. I'll eat more greens, though.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

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on April 20, 2011
at 07:02 AM

i know it's counter-intuitive, but (based on personal experience only), i'd stay away from kombucha if you had recent candida battles. it really exacerbates things for me (skin-wise too). it sounds like you are eating really well; i'd really encourage you to give your old pro-biotics at least a week before you start adding more carbs and stuff.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on April 20, 2011
at 04:54 AM

yes I will. I figured the fermented veggies and occasional kombucha would be enough. oh well.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on April 19, 2011
at 02:52 PM

I was doing this with Gaps principles in mind. I should've kicked the dairy out though, which is my Next move. I love home made broth and use it almost daily. Again, with the honey. I actually bought some raw honey a few weeks ago and tried it. It made me feel really buzzed and headachey. Probably because I hadn't had any sugar in a while. I'll try the potatoes though, with some coconut oil and see how that works.

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on April 19, 2011
at 01:55 PM

if starch doesn't work, you should look into GAPS/SCD. On those diets you can stay out of ketosis using things like honey.

7b494127ac67e85e572c5222aaee9b4d

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on April 19, 2011
at 01:41 PM

Dr K., do you consider butter ok?

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on April 19, 2011
at 01:34 PM

I'll try lowering my calories. I really can't IF because I'm breastfeeding and I already wake up pretty hungry. I try to push breakfast to about 10AM most days so I get a good 12 hour stretch at night but that's all I'm able to comfortably do. These babies really take it out of ya. :-)

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on April 19, 2011
at 01:31 PM

I Don't eat nuts, but I'm trying to heal my gut from all the antibiotics I was put on during my son's birth 4 1/2 months ago. It really wrecked my digestive system, which is why I'm hesitant to eat starches. I'm afraid it'll flair up my candida again. I could try eating more veggies instead. I know my mom who eats only whole foods does fine with potato and she doesn't have a weight problems. I'll experiment it while I'm visiting family this next two weeks and see how I feel

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on April 19, 2011
at 01:31 PM

I Don't eat nuts, but I'm trying to heal my gut from all the antibiotics I was put on during my son's birth 4 1/2. It really wrecked my digestive system, which is why I'm hesitant to eat starches. I'm afraid it'll flair up my candida again. I could try eating more veggies instead. I know my mom who eats only whole foods does fine with potato and she doesn't have a weight problems. I'll experiment it while I'm visiting family this next two weeks and see how I feel.

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on April 19, 2011
at 01:05 PM

Have you eaten anything new in the past 5-10 days that you weren't eating before? I'd think that if you were eating dairy this whole time that probably isn't it unless you chose a different variant that you weren't eating before. It's possible also, depending on how much you've lost - that your daily RDI has gone down and by eating 3 meals daily you're just eating too much to continue losing. Reevaluate that, try some IF.

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on April 19, 2011
at 12:51 PM

smart move on the dairy.......

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9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on April 19, 2011
at 01:06 PM

I had mouth ulcers last year and they were terrible. I was tested for several autoimmune conditions to no avail. I think personal stress might have been a factor. I eventually got them to go away, and the dietary changes I made were

  • less protein, I eat muscle meat 2-3 times a week instead of every day now, but...
  • I use broth daily
  • more carbs from potatoes
  • discontinued all supplements
  • stopped eating nuts

Which of these things made them go away? I don't know. I'd try ditching the supplements first. Fish oil can be oxidized and cause inflammation. Why not eat fish instead? Why are you VLC? This is a great opportunity to stop being VLC, as you seem to be one of the MANY people (including me) who don't do well on it. Remember, the Inuit are genetically distinct. What are the odds that eating out a few times caused this vs. eating a diet that most paleolithic humans would not have eaten (except for a few tiny morphologically distinct populations in the far north that most of us aren't descended from) and that most humans are probably poorly adapted to?

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on April 19, 2011
at 01:31 PM

I Don't eat nuts, but I'm trying to heal my gut from all the antibiotics I was put on during my son's birth 4 1/2 months ago. It really wrecked my digestive system, which is why I'm hesitant to eat starches. I'm afraid it'll flair up my candida again. I could try eating more veggies instead. I know my mom who eats only whole foods does fine with potato and she doesn't have a weight problems. I'll experiment it while I'm visiting family this next two weeks and see how I feel

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on April 19, 2011
at 01:55 PM

if starch doesn't work, you should look into GAPS/SCD. On those diets you can stay out of ketosis using things like honey.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on April 19, 2011
at 02:52 PM

I was doing this with Gaps principles in mind. I should've kicked the dairy out though, which is my Next move. I love home made broth and use it almost daily. Again, with the honey. I actually bought some raw honey a few weeks ago and tried it. It made me feel really buzzed and headachey. Probably because I hadn't had any sugar in a while. I'll try the potatoes though, with some coconut oil and see how that works.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on April 19, 2011
at 01:31 PM

I Don't eat nuts, but I'm trying to heal my gut from all the antibiotics I was put on during my son's birth 4 1/2. It really wrecked my digestive system, which is why I'm hesitant to eat starches. I'm afraid it'll flair up my candida again. I could try eating more veggies instead. I know my mom who eats only whole foods does fine with potato and she doesn't have a weight problems. I'll experiment it while I'm visiting family this next two weeks and see how I feel.

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9e20abb05f3f6e3cc4bb107f8980aecd

on April 20, 2011
at 03:28 PM

I don't think you should assume your symptoms are autoimmune. Have you tried an antifungal cream on the rashes? That should allow a quick diagnosis. Fungal infections are more common and more dangerous on VLC diets. Mouth ulcers are usually viral and it could be your immune system is depressed by the VLC diet.

What Melissa did is essentially what I would advise - eat more starches and fewer toxins. You may also be deficient in some key nutrients; supplements can help.

Since you say you've had Candida, I would bet the rashes are probably fungal. Lower carb isn't better for Candida: about 600 carb calories a day is best.

Best, Paul

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on April 20, 2011
at 04:12 PM

My general physician said they looked allergic. He's very pro- WAPF/Paleo and told me if I put something anti-fungal on my skin it might get worse. I really don't want to eat starches because I have bingeing issues and they seem to trigger it. I'll eat more greens, though.

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C22b71e29cc2d4019e31cc41b9322edd

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on April 19, 2011
at 01:37 PM

The longer that I've been Paleo (more than a year now), the more sensitive my body is to any foreign things. For example, I very occasionally chew a piece of gum and the aspartame in it gives me red itchy spots on my body, and I get a similar reaction when I eat too many nuts in a given day. If I have any sugar at all, I process it very quickly. I have lots of environmental allergies, but a clean diet seems to have made me more aware of things that trigger them. Do some recording of what you're eating (maybe use Fitday.com) and look at all of your environmental stimuli (drinks, gum, lotions/detergents, seasonal changes, etc.) and you may be able to isolate what's causing it. It's all an experiment of one, no?

Good luck.

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559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

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on April 20, 2011
at 04:00 AM

get back on yr pro-biotic! skin stuff can def be directly correlated to gut flora, and as you say, it's the only thing that has changed.

good luck to you! let us know if you figure it out.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

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on April 20, 2011
at 04:54 AM

yes I will. I figured the fermented veggies and occasional kombucha would be enough. oh well.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on April 20, 2011
at 07:02 AM

i know it's counter-intuitive, but (based on personal experience only), i'd stay away from kombucha if you had recent candida battles. it really exacerbates things for me (skin-wise too). it sounds like you are eating really well; i'd really encourage you to give your old pro-biotics at least a week before you start adding more carbs and stuff.

1da74185531d6d4c7182fb9ee417f97f

(10904)

on April 20, 2011
at 04:13 PM

OK, I won't really have access to it during my vacation starting tomorrow so if the flareups go down I'll let you know.

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