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Cold Therapy can be effective- is it Paleo?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 19, 2011 at 11:34 PM

There are a few questions somewhat related to this, but none dead on. Cold therapy has been shown to be helpful for fatloss. I am wondering if you guys think this is a paleo thing or a weird hack. When I think paleo I think African planes. How often did it get cold? Doesn't it stay pretty hot there? Is it cold at night? Are the rivers cold? What possible evolutionary reason could there be for this effect? I would think cold => need insulation => fat gain. But I guess not.

Thoughts?

Alex

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on June 20, 2011
at 02:11 PM

Mark Sisson has a write up on it http://www.marksdailyapple.com/cold-water-therapy/ And there are some pretty good comments after the article.

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on June 20, 2011
at 01:24 PM

I've written extensively about UCP 1 and 3 so it's out there if you choose to read it. We have been told not post links to our own stuff so I no longer do that. Jake science is not vague when you get it. It is the answer to this question. Uncoupling proteins are huge factors in why a paleo diet actually works

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on June 20, 2011
at 12:57 PM

You got it dude.

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on June 20, 2011
at 12:34 PM

Why *not and "would save me time" damn iPhone autocorrect!

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on June 20, 2011
at 12:34 PM

Why no just add links to explanations of terms when posting things? That would've me time and make me upvote you. I appreciate the answer but a little less vague science would be better.

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on June 20, 2011
at 11:55 AM

ben has a habit of that PaleoPax. Im immune to it because it's the expected response. And I do think most people know what it is. And as Paleo Pax points out if you don't you can always look it up if your interested. If youre not like, ben, then you wont. And that is fine too.

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on June 20, 2011
at 04:25 AM

If I had to guess, I'd say "from PaleoPax" with the link) was removed.

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on June 20, 2011
at 04:05 AM

Hey Kamal, just curious, what did you edit?

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on June 20, 2011
at 03:49 AM

I agree with ben, but no need to be rude brother. to be quite honest, everyone on here does know what UCP1 and UCP3 are. Or at least they can after a quick google :)

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on June 20, 2011
at 01:40 AM

You think most of us here know what UCP1 and UCP3 are? If you care about answering a question why not simply make an effort to communicate to the readers.

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on June 20, 2011
at 01:17 AM

I'm pretty sure the reason for extra energy expenditure (leading to fat loss) in the presence of cold is that the body maintains its temperature by making its mitochondria "leaky" using the protein thermogenin in brown adipose tissue (BAT). Basically this decreases the efficiency of turning stored energy into energy that can be used by the body (ATP) - making more heat per calorie used. Babies are born with almost 25% BAT because there are a lot more factors that make them more susceptible to cold than adults. Most BAT in adults is located on the shoulders and the back of the neck, that's why cold showers that focus on those areas are most effective.

So in the short term, exposure to cold increases the body's mobilization of fat stores to create heat leading to weight loss. This is a very resilient strategy to immediate changes. This actually is more suggestive of a warm evolutionary milleiu as opposed to a creature like a whale or seal that has evolved to live in cold and has fat as insulation.

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on June 23, 2011
at 03:30 PM

i take cold showers because i like them

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on June 20, 2011
at 12:43 PM

Can't help but think cold showers would have a limited effect on overall fat loss if it only works on the brown fat in the chest and neck. Besides, I don't know about you, but after having an invigorating cold shower I feel a bit hungry!

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on June 20, 2011
at 01:36 AM

UCP1 and UCP3 were present in paleolithic man's biochemistry therefore I see no reason why not to consider them part of the lifestyle. Now, do I think paleo man used the methods for your intended purposes? No I don't.

There is zero question that our biochemistry supports it.....and I think part of our current spontaneous evolution is how we think. How we think can effect our DNA and since we now know of distinct biochemical pathways to hack this system I see no reason for you not to pursue this.

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on June 20, 2011
at 12:34 PM

Why *not and "would save me time" damn iPhone autocorrect!

1ec4e7ca085b7f8d5821529653e1e35a

(5506)

on June 20, 2011
at 12:34 PM

Why no just add links to explanations of terms when posting things? That would've me time and make me upvote you. I appreciate the answer but a little less vague science would be better.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 20, 2011
at 01:40 AM

You think most of us here know what UCP1 and UCP3 are? If you care about answering a question why not simply make an effort to communicate to the readers.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 20, 2011
at 11:55 AM

ben has a habit of that PaleoPax. Im immune to it because it's the expected response. And I do think most people know what it is. And as Paleo Pax points out if you don't you can always look it up if your interested. If youre not like, ben, then you wont. And that is fine too.

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on June 20, 2011
at 03:49 AM

I agree with ben, but no need to be rude brother. to be quite honest, everyone on here does know what UCP1 and UCP3 are. Or at least they can after a quick google :)

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25472)

on June 20, 2011
at 01:24 PM

I've written extensively about UCP 1 and 3 so it's out there if you choose to read it. We have been told not post links to our own stuff so I no longer do that. Jake science is not vague when you get it. It is the answer to this question. Uncoupling proteins are huge factors in why a paleo diet actually works

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on June 20, 2011
at 01:11 AM

For me this is more about evidence backed lifestyle choices, not recreating a prehistoric lifestyle. Since the initial evidence for cold increasing brown fat deposits looks good, that is what matters to me

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on June 19, 2011
at 11:51 PM

Sand/Desert has nothing to keep it warm at night.

When the sun goes down the temperature drops and drops fast. So while it may not get as cold as other places in the world. The temperature difference is by every definition extreme between day and night.

Although I can not really go into any more detail or specifics on your question.

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