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Can someone sell me on cod liver oil?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created August 06, 2012 at 12:34 AM

I keep hearing Balanced Bites and Cave Girl Eats rave about Green Pasture's CLO/Butter oil blend and I keep thinking I'm going to buy it, but the stuff is flat expensive. I need to be sold. The main reason I'm thinking of buying it is because I've been getting what I'm quite sure is hormonal acne ever since going off the pill. I eat a pretty strict Paleo diet, more strict than 80/20%, and I rarely eat out, so little risk of getting gluten, dairy or bad oils in my diet.

Just a side note, if I buy any brand, the Green Pasture stuff is what I want to buy. While I would certainly appreciate any suggestions for a cheaper brand, I'm not willing to try them. I'm going to "go big or go home".

Thanks everyone!

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on August 07, 2012
at 12:28 AM

@Dragonfly: I've been snarky--maybe I imagine in others what I don't like in myself! Now, what about the sustainability? Does CLO deplete cod fish from the sea? I would rather not participate in that.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on August 06, 2012
at 02:16 PM

Re: "um"...No intention to be snarky, more a gentle--throat-clearing--at least for me when I have a contrary opinion to the prevailing mindset.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on August 06, 2012
at 02:14 PM

Some, but not all cod fisheries have been overfished. http://www.montereybayaquarium.org/cr/SeafoodWatch/web/sfw_factsheet.aspx?gid=14

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on August 06, 2012
at 01:55 PM

I do eat lots of eggs and use both grassfed cream and butter in scant amounts and try to eat only wild caught fish at least 3 times a week. I also eat a lot of veggies high in Vit. A. I don't see Vit. D being an issue now that it's summer, but I do live in Ohio so winters are pretty brutal with little sun. I guess I need to learn how to eat liver from cows, chickens, etc. I would honestly rather eat good food than take a supplement. Not sure how else to solve the hormonal acne though...

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

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on August 06, 2012
at 03:38 AM

Then just take vit D3 supplements. I do. I think there is compelling evidence of significant interactions between vitamins, D, A, and K. At this point, there is good reason to try to get your serum level of vitamin D up somewhere between 40 and 50ng/ml. A reasonably varied whole food, traditional, paleo, whatever diet should provide sufficient vit A.

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on August 06, 2012
at 02:40 AM

I live in a region (and work a job) that precludes getting vitamin D from the sun in sufficient quantities. Also, what do you make of the argument that vitamin A is fine when balanced by vitamin D in the right ratio? For example: http://chriskresser.com/separating-fact-from-fiction-on-cod-liver-oil

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on August 06, 2012
at 02:36 AM

Why do people start statements like this with "Um?" I think it's needlessly snarky, but maybe I'm missing something. However, I'm interested in the word "sustainable" here. What should I know about the sustainability of cod liver oil? That's an argument I am receptive to.

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

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on August 06, 2012
at 02:24 AM

It is equivalent to a supplement since it is high in vit A; remember you're not eating whole cod or even cod livers -- you are eating an oil pressed from numerous cod livers. How is that not a supplement? Also, you don't get vit D principally from food; you get it from the sun.

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on August 06, 2012
at 12:46 AM

Tracking my food in Cronometer, I have found it pretty much impossible to get adequate vitamin D, under almost any circumstances. But I don't eat much liver, and am not a huge fish eater. However, I disagree a bit with characterizing it as a "supplement," since it actually is a food. It's not isolate vitamins (or chemically engineered vitamin/vitamin analogs), it's just cod liver oil and butter.

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

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on August 06, 2012
at 12:38 AM

For someone who eats strict paleo, and gets some liver (or at least eggs) and also some fish, I really don't think cod liver oil is needed, or even good.

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Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

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on August 06, 2012
at 01:21 AM

Um, I don't recommend CLO --of any kind unless you are allergic to liver.

Grassfed/pastured liver is a sustainable food source of Vitamin A.

Eat 3-4 oz of liver a week. Chicken & lambs liver are milder than beef liver. Chicken liver pat?? is yummy!

Also, the A to D ratio in CLO is backwards (from an evolutionary point of view.)

Get your D3 level tested and sun/supplement to 60-80 ng/ml. Carlson's Solar D Gems are good & cheap on iherb.com.

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on August 07, 2012
at 12:28 AM

@Dragonfly: I've been snarky--maybe I imagine in others what I don't like in myself! Now, what about the sustainability? Does CLO deplete cod fish from the sea? I would rather not participate in that.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on August 06, 2012
at 02:16 PM

Re: "um"...No intention to be snarky, more a gentle--throat-clearing--at least for me when I have a contrary opinion to the prevailing mindset.

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on August 06, 2012
at 02:36 AM

Why do people start statements like this with "Um?" I think it's needlessly snarky, but maybe I'm missing something. However, I'm interested in the word "sustainable" here. What should I know about the sustainability of cod liver oil? That's an argument I am receptive to.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32556)

on August 06, 2012
at 02:14 PM

Some, but not all cod fisheries have been overfished. http://www.montereybayaquarium.org/cr/SeafoodWatch/web/sfw_factsheet.aspx?gid=14

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on August 06, 2012
at 02:10 PM

You can get it cheaply the same way I do.

The local Weston A. Price Foundation chapter buys the stuff in bulk. And they get special discounts. So, look up your local chapter leader for WAPF, email them or call them, and I bet you will get the FCLO at a great price. Like I do.

Also, don't forget that you only need a very small amount. The bottle lasts a long, long time.

These WAPF chapters have great benefits. You don't have to be a member. The chapter leaders job is to help local people find the quality local food sources we are all looking for. They probably know of places and opportunities you haven't yet heard of. I hope everyone reading this will contact a chapter leader to see what opportunities for good food you might be missing.

And, the fermented cod liver oil can be important. As you know, it's been used traditionally since the Romans and before. Why? Because even then, getting those vital activator nutrients was a challenge. If it was difficult then, before all this modern pollution and mineral depleted soils, how hard must it be today?

Are you sure that eating a standard Paleo diet today will give you all that you need?

Remember the Polynesians that Weston Price studied. Even though they had abundant food almost effortlessly at hand -- unpolluted, grassfed, mineral rich soils, organic, etc. -- they risked their lives in dangerous efforts to hunt sharks. When asked why they went to all the trouble, the Polynesian responded that they need the shark livers in order to grow healthy children! They would hang the livers up in bags for months to ferment. Then portion out the fermented oil to children, pregnant women, couples ready to conceive, and the elderly.

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on August 06, 2012
at 12:59 AM

I got a bottle of the FCLO and didn't notice much difference in how I felt, at any point. I then bought a bottle of the butter oil, and it was rancid. After a lot of back and forth with the owner, I decided not to support his business anymore. The stuff is just too expensive to risk getting a bad batch and not get reimbursed for it.

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A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on August 06, 2012
at 12:43 AM

I use Green Pastures' CLO/Butter oil, cinnamon tingle gel. I was a little hesitant with the first dose because I assumed CLO would be incredibly nasty tasting. So I was very surprised by how innocuous it was.

It's thick, so the texture bothers me a bit, but there isn't really even a hint of nasty fish taste in this. The only thing I taste is cinnamon. I eat it before I have my morning coffee, swallow it as fast as I can (because the thick texture does bother me a bit--I wish it was a liquid so I could swallow it faster). But the taste is nothing to deal with, in my opinion. (I like cinnamon.)

It may be expensive, but you only need to eat .5 to 1 teaspoon, and it gives a huge hit of vitamin D, A, and Omega-3. One jar provides many doses. I think it's well worth a trial.

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on October 16, 2012
at 04:30 AM

I've been using the Green Pasture CLO (no butter oil) for the past month and I really believe it has helped with my hormonal acne. I was getting breakouts along my jawline and on my temples and recently they have cleared up quite a bit, and the addition of CLO was the only thing I changed. I don't have access to quality organ meats where I am currently living, so it is my main source of vitamin A. I don't know if it is a cure all, but I definitely think it helps and may be worth a shot, especially if you don't eat liver.

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4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

(4359)

on August 06, 2012
at 12:41 AM

For someone, like you, who eats strict paleo, and presumably eats occasional liver (or alternatively eats eggs and cream more regularly) and also eats occasional fish, I really don't think cod liver oil is needed, or even good. In other words, cod liver oil is a vitamin A (and D, to a lesser extent) and omega 3 supplement; don't take it unless you are deficient in both.

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on August 06, 2012
at 12:46 AM

Tracking my food in Cronometer, I have found it pretty much impossible to get adequate vitamin D, under almost any circumstances. But I don't eat much liver, and am not a huge fish eater. However, I disagree a bit with characterizing it as a "supplement," since it actually is a food. It's not isolate vitamins (or chemically engineered vitamin/vitamin analogs), it's just cod liver oil and butter.

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

(4359)

on August 06, 2012
at 03:38 AM

Then just take vit D3 supplements. I do. I think there is compelling evidence of significant interactions between vitamins, D, A, and K. At this point, there is good reason to try to get your serum level of vitamin D up somewhere between 40 and 50ng/ml. A reasonably varied whole food, traditional, paleo, whatever diet should provide sufficient vit A.

B41cdb2253976ba9b429dd608d02c21f

(1495)

on August 06, 2012
at 01:55 PM

I do eat lots of eggs and use both grassfed cream and butter in scant amounts and try to eat only wild caught fish at least 3 times a week. I also eat a lot of veggies high in Vit. A. I don't see Vit. D being an issue now that it's summer, but I do live in Ohio so winters are pretty brutal with little sun. I guess I need to learn how to eat liver from cows, chickens, etc. I would honestly rather eat good food than take a supplement. Not sure how else to solve the hormonal acne though...

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on August 06, 2012
at 02:40 AM

I live in a region (and work a job) that precludes getting vitamin D from the sun in sufficient quantities. Also, what do you make of the argument that vitamin A is fine when balanced by vitamin D in the right ratio? For example: http://chriskresser.com/separating-fact-from-fiction-on-cod-liver-oil

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

(4359)

on August 06, 2012
at 02:24 AM

It is equivalent to a supplement since it is high in vit A; remember you're not eating whole cod or even cod livers -- you are eating an oil pressed from numerous cod livers. How is that not a supplement? Also, you don't get vit D principally from food; you get it from the sun.

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(2177)

on October 16, 2012
at 05:09 AM

Would someone please explain to me why you wouldn't just eat the fish? Buying and eating wild salmon is going to be cheaper than buying FCLO.

The stuff is oxidised......on purpose. It offers quite a bit less nutritional value than just eating the damn fish!!!

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D41bd7b3d3b962eb0146f471eb632f56

on October 16, 2012
at 03:14 AM

I eat liver, sardines, and pastured pork a few times a week, plus 2-3 eggs every day and raw dairy from local, grass-fed cows most days, so I do get Vitamins A and D and Omega-3s, but it's not enough to make a noticeable difference in my acne. I started taking Norwegian Cod Liver Oil from TwinLabs (a cheaper alternative that WAPF recommends), and I've seen improvements. That's my two cents.

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on October 16, 2012
at 03:00 AM

This may not be the relevant, but not sure where else to post. I recently bought the green pastures clo butter blend in cinnamon tingle. It broke me out terribly, but I have very sensitive skin so not all that surprised. I've had only about 3 tsps of it, so basically it's brand new. Hate to see it go to waste especially since it was so expensive. Happy to sell it for cheaper to anyone who is interested.

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