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Benefits of 100% paleo for gluten tolerant people

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 05, 2011 at 4:38 PM

I personally never had a real problem with grains. Even after going paleo for a long time I still can feel great after eating a big plate of fettuccine for example.

I remember Robb Wolf mentioning that some people are genetically adapted to eating grains. And also I remember him saying once that although you can get a lot of benefits by going 100% paleo, if you're not sure that you will be able to maintain this diet later on (for example, you're going to military), it's better to include some little grains once in a while.

I still gravitate towards paleo because I'm looking for optimal health, longevity, energy.

So, the questions is what's the better way to go: 1 Eat 100% strict paleo although I seem to have no problem with grains. Pros: some additonal benefits (what kind of?) Cons: what if I lose my tolerance later on? OR 2 Eat some rice or things like that once a week or once a month Pros: not risking going too far from conventional wisdom as I don't need to. Cons: I might be missing some benefits (as some say it takes 30days 100% paleo to get all the benefits).

So, ideally I would to hear from those who can also tolerate grains pretty well not regular paleo-eaters. What's your experience, what's your decision and why?

Background. I'm perfectly healthy 26 years old doing weightlifting twice a week & yoga once a week. Around 75kg at about 179cm, never was overweight

Thank you very much!

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on June 06, 2011
at 03:25 AM

I think 100% paleo is much more sustainable when you include carbs and fruit. But, for some, what you're doing is probably just fine.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 05, 2011
at 11:42 PM

and I've had a "change of heart from considering reactions from airborne grain?" What!? For people who are very sick, they probably have a sever autoimmune response to something. Think Peanut allergy. And I didn't call it gluten, I called it grains, and if I did, it was just so people would know what I'm talking about because people are familiar with that false term. How have I had a change of heart? it's actually very consistent.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 05, 2011
at 11:28 PM

To all -Gluten is some tiny casing in the part of a seed. This casing (or whatever you call it, nonetheless is a part) exists in most seeds, including rice, sorghum, corn, millet, and all those *non gluten containing grains. If you wanna eat *gluten-free products, go ahead, they are still seeds of grass that your body isn't designed to eat. I'm saying that removing grains is a lot better for your health than just removing "gluten grains." and what does "half in the bag" mean? "gluten-free" is an industry, a selling point, be more concerned about the effects of eating seeds. Understand?

34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

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on June 05, 2011
at 08:03 PM

Maybe he was half in the bag when making this comment - it doesn't make any sense to me either. Gluten isn't real? seriously..

Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

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on June 05, 2011
at 06:40 PM

Oh, and you've certainly had a change of heart for someone who seemed so concerned about airborne gluten molecules just a week or so ago.

Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

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on June 05, 2011
at 06:40 PM

I've read this comment twice now and I still don't understand it. Anyone else successfully deciphered it?

Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

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on June 05, 2011
at 06:39 PM

Oh, and you've certainly had a change of heart for someone who seemed so concerned about airborne gluten molecules just a week or so ago.

Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

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on June 05, 2011
at 06:38 PM

Oh, and you've certainly had a change of heart for someone who seemed so concerned about airbourne gluten molecules just a week or so ago.

Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

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on June 05, 2011
at 06:38 PM

I've read this twice now and I'm still not sure what it means.

34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

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on June 05, 2011
at 06:20 PM

Down a bit I think Shirley's answer seems about right. If you are going to eat grains I'd just take it easy on them and make sure your consumption of them is not excessive. I never had a problem with grains or gluten when I was younger but now at 39 I've developed an autoimmune disorder that I think is grain related.

34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

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on June 05, 2011
at 06:12 PM

+1 for my favorite answer here

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on June 05, 2011
at 05:30 PM

Gluten is a very specific protein found in select grains in the triticale family - wheat, barley rye, spelt, kamut, etc. Duh.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 05, 2011
at 05:18 PM

Oh dear: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1692935/

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 05, 2011
at 05:25 PM

Have you taken grains out for at least 30 days to test your gluten tolerance theory? I didn't think I had a problem with gluten either and 30 days w/o gluten proved me wrong.

I do eat brown rice here and there without trouble. I feel similar to your views about keeping a bit of the bad in my diet so I don't have a complete bodily function break down if I choose to eat something outside of the paleo realm.

My suggestion is to self-experiment and track for a month then re-introduce foods. To me, eating paleo isn't about being 100% dogmatic about it but eating as clean as possible 80% of the time.

Some here will disagree with me and that's fine but I feel that 100% paleo is not sustainable for ME. Hey - I like a nice wheaty beer or a plate of spaghetti now and again. I just don't eat it all the time. Kind of like not eating a huge bowl of sugar all the time :)

34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

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on June 05, 2011
at 06:12 PM

+1 for my favorite answer here

02736efa3fda31740e8890eed0cb663d

(1813)

on June 06, 2011
at 03:25 AM

I think 100% paleo is much more sustainable when you include carbs and fruit. But, for some, what you're doing is probably just fine.

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E7be2ce38158357f5dacae07b43d1b29

on June 05, 2011
at 05:42 PM

Many of the problems with gluten and wheat germ agglutinin (WGA) cause slow degenerative problems (like destruction of myelin sheath around the spinal cord) so you won't notice anything until the damage catches up with you.

I have a friend who began having severe inflammation problems in her late 40s, and now has to avoid gluten and a lot of other things (like other things with lectins) and it took several years before she started getting any better and she still has a long way to go. I'm not saying all of her problems are caused by a lifetime of eating grains alone (probably a lot of chemicals in our environment, mold and other things, too) but it's clearly a big factor in how she feels now.

At 26, you eat the stuff and feel great. After years of that, at 40, you might feel fine after eating it, but begin to notice all kinds of general malaise, loss of coordination, brain fog, etc. and start to wonder why you're feeling off. You might look for a disease or an immediate solution, when it's just years of damage and the body has then until begun to become inflamed enough to start being problematic. Like heavy metal toxicity - you could eat something with mercury in it every day and feel just fine, even for years, but eventually, everything will be haywire and repair very difficult.

As humans, we tend to get very caught up in looking for an immediate response from consuming A or B, whether it's supplements, drugs or food. The reality is that we live a lot longer than in the moment or over the course of a month, and we can do a lot of long term harm to our bodies that we don't notice until we're much older.

For example: "they" were right: listening to loud rock music constantly has damaged my hearing...

Anyway, here is a good list of research about it. It's all very technical but might give you a starting place to learn about what different things in grains and wheat can do: http://www.greenmedinfo.com/category/toxic-ingredients/wheat-germ-agglutinin-wga

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on June 05, 2011
at 05:34 PM

I would say there's only one way to find out. I cut grains, but still eat potatoes and fruit - as much as I can which isn't a ton considering I get 60% cals from fat. I noticed huge improvements (weight loss, energy, skin), and if I have something with wheat in it now I feel like crap.

The main reason a person who can tolerate grains should cut them, is (to quote Mark Sisson) there's nothing in a whole grain your body needs that it can't get from a more nutrient dense source.

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on June 05, 2011
at 05:32 PM

Most modern pasta, bread, white rice, etc. are just empty calories. They have been "fortified" with some vitamins and minerals, but without that, they are the nutritional equivalent of cardboard. And you can get the "fortification" in other ways (supplements or "real" foods).

Forgetting about gluten for a moment, unless you're trying to fatten up or slow down your metabolism, I don't see the benefit of eating any significant % of your diet as empty calories. It's just filler, and a lost opportunity to nourish yourself. Some people are naturally thin with a very high metabolism (like my wife), perhaps too much so, and these calories are a way for them to keep their weight up. If you are one of these people then maybe you don't need to worry, but most people aren't this way.

I think that this is more true when you get older. When I was 26 (fifteen years ago), I could probably have eaten anything and felt "ok". I was vegetarian for 3 years around that time, which is a diet that I think is really bad for me, but I did okay for a year or two. When you're young, things don't affect you as much. If you don't have any health issues that are specifically addressed by a Paleo diet (gluten intolerance, IBS, allergies, diabetes, etc) then you might not notice much of a difference.

On the other hand, there is a pretty long list of benefits that people have cited... decreased dandruff, eczema, body odor, digestive issues, improved energy, sex drive, mood...

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 05, 2011
at 06:07 PM

Youth often equals the ability to tolerate a lot of things that are not so great for you. Damage may be being done while you "tolerate" gluten. No fear mongering, but it can catch up with you. Which is why you'll hear a lot of folks saying they wish they had found this diet earlier in life. Eat grains if you tolerate them and it helps you socially (going out etc.) But get the most nutrition out of them you can and limit them. Get rid of the worst toxicity by preparing grains properly and enjoy them for as long as you can.

I do believe that you can become less tolerant of grains if you cut them out completely. I always thought I tolerated them well until I went off them and improved some health issues. However, when I tried grains after cutting them I got fairly bad symptoms. Now I limit grains to a once weekly exposure and they don't make me feel bad at all.

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on June 05, 2011
at 05:17 PM

my brother is just like you. i think you nailed it with your "eat rice or something every week or so" just to keep your system from being totally alienated from grains. I don't eat them at all - feel much better. My brother is eating bagels, this and that, feeling fine performing awesome , looking good etc.

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on June 05, 2011
at 04:59 PM

a. gluten is a made up term, grains (which don't forget are seeds of grass) are causing the problem. DUH! Paleo is about what your body is designed to eat if everything wasn't mixed up concoctions. That's my two cents on the topic, most importantly that gluten isn't real, but seeds of grass is.

Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

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on June 05, 2011
at 06:40 PM

I've read this comment twice now and I still don't understand it. Anyone else successfully deciphered it?

Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

(6433)

on June 05, 2011
at 06:38 PM

Oh, and you've certainly had a change of heart for someone who seemed so concerned about airbourne gluten molecules just a week or so ago.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 05, 2011
at 11:28 PM

To all -Gluten is some tiny casing in the part of a seed. This casing (or whatever you call it, nonetheless is a part) exists in most seeds, including rice, sorghum, corn, millet, and all those *non gluten containing grains. If you wanna eat *gluten-free products, go ahead, they are still seeds of grass that your body isn't designed to eat. I'm saying that removing grains is a lot better for your health than just removing "gluten grains." and what does "half in the bag" mean? "gluten-free" is an industry, a selling point, be more concerned about the effects of eating seeds. Understand?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 05, 2011
at 11:42 PM

and I've had a "change of heart from considering reactions from airborne grain?" What!? For people who are very sick, they probably have a sever autoimmune response to something. Think Peanut allergy. And I didn't call it gluten, I called it grains, and if I did, it was just so people would know what I'm talking about because people are familiar with that false term. How have I had a change of heart? it's actually very consistent.

E7be2ce38158357f5dacae07b43d1b29

on June 05, 2011
at 05:30 PM

Gluten is a very specific protein found in select grains in the triticale family - wheat, barley rye, spelt, kamut, etc. Duh.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 05, 2011
at 05:18 PM

Oh dear: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1692935/

Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

(6433)

on June 05, 2011
at 06:40 PM

Oh, and you've certainly had a change of heart for someone who seemed so concerned about airborne gluten molecules just a week or so ago.

Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

(6433)

on June 05, 2011
at 06:38 PM

I've read this twice now and I'm still not sure what it means.

34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

(4171)

on June 05, 2011
at 08:03 PM

Maybe he was half in the bag when making this comment - it doesn't make any sense to me either. Gluten isn't real? seriously..

Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

(6433)

on June 05, 2011
at 06:39 PM

Oh, and you've certainly had a change of heart for someone who seemed so concerned about airborne gluten molecules just a week or so ago.

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