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Been Eating Paleo for 1 Month. Still feel like garbage.

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 24, 2010 at 1:07 AM

-Hi, Ive been eating Paleo for 1 month now and I have days (mostly half days) where I feel fantastic, almost euphoric and days like today where I feel no different than before I started Paleo. My "symptoms" are that I wake up groggy and very stiff with low mental energy. I can remain groggy with low mental energy until late afternoon and the stiffness subsides around noon but last in shoulders and back all day. I still get some foggy headed symptoms but not as bad as before. My body composition has improved but not radically. Im "medically healthy" meaning that conventional med tests say Im okay. Its not psychosomatic as these problems run in my dad's side of the family.

Quick Stats;

30 yr old male

6'1

195ish lb

Some body fat, cant see abs but look "fit" in a t-shirt

Food: Been no cow dairy, no grain, no legumes, under 100 carbs for 30 days

3/12 dropped goats milk and goats yogurt

3/16 went under 50 carbs per day

3/17 dropped whey protein

**Meat is not grass fed. Just bought some grass fed beef last night

-Kept track of food and noticed that I was eating right around 2,400 calories per day. Some days were as high as 3,300 but others as low as 1,900. I seem naturally to default to 2,400 though

Food added

3/14 added 1 gram of fish oil/10 lbs body weight per Robb Wolf directions (temporary until I feel better)

3/17 added egg white protein powder (have been eating eggs all along)

Gym

Compound weights M, W, Fr (edit)

Walks, 1-3 times a week

Sleep; Been sleeping more than ever. Used to sleep 9 hrs a night now sleeping 9.5 to 10.5. Go to bed around midnight and get up around 9-10:30 (I was laid off from my finance job about 6 months ago, I know I sound depressed and I may be a little but depression runs in my family, hence I always have bouts of depression).

Supplements (all are gluten free);

1 gram/10 lb body weight of fish oil

Multi-vitamin

Vitamin D3, 5,000 IUs

B Complex

SAM-E, 600 mg

Phosphatidylserine, 300-400 mg/day

Digestive enzymes - when I eat alot of beef (not needed, I do it for experiment)

Supplements New

Added Magnesium last night, 500 mg before bed

-I guess all I have left is to drop eggs and nuts as well. Robb Wolf mentioned that those can also be inflammatory to the gut. Its going to be really hard to get in 190 grams of protein per day (per Robb Wolf, body weight, not lean mass) without whey, eggs,goats yogurt, goats milk or nuts. Guess its meat all day all the time

Thank you so much for your help and/or any insight you can provide

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on January 15, 2011
at 12:40 AM

Dexter, I agree, you put this very nicely.

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on November 19, 2010
at 07:54 PM

Very well said, Dexter.

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on April 13, 2010
at 09:17 PM

I dropped eggs as well and it has helped alot. I had some scrambled eggs this week and about an hour later got a headache, some body aches. Also realized how sensitive to gluten I really am and that I need to completely avoid it or I will become lethargic and "achy". Basically if I stick to a strict Paleo diet with no eggs (nuts seem to be okay) I feel much much better. Been a long journey but there is a definite light at the end of the tunnel. P.S finally created an official account on this website :-)

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on April 13, 2010
at 07:57 PM

Oh! Just realized this question was pretty old!

C4d4a9db7ee3b315eae97795555a1177

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on March 28, 2010
at 01:10 AM

Im gradually feeling better but still not where Id like to be. Been under 50 carbs for only a few weeks and understand it can take up to a month to adjust so just going to ride it out.

C4d4a9db7ee3b315eae97795555a1177

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on March 28, 2010
at 01:08 AM

Mikael, how much iodine do you take a day and in what form? Ive had my thyroid tested and it came back okay but I understand that these tests can be flawed. I assume if I take some iodine and I feel better than I do indeed have a thyroid issue...?

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on March 25, 2010
at 10:04 PM

@Ryan -- true story: doctor tested me for food allergies for migraines and told me I had no food allergies/sensitivities and no connection to migraines. My migraines were "genetic". I go Paleo and cut wheat out of my diet.....migraines gone. No joke.

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on March 25, 2010
at 10:03 PM

@Ryan My thoughts on this are you should take your health into your own hands. Read it as you will.

C4d4a9db7ee3b315eae97795555a1177

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on March 25, 2010
at 08:22 PM

...and I think that the Paleo approach can help remedy at least a big part of that. I just need to continue to dial it in further. Drank two cans of lite coconut milk (all I had on hand) yesterday and felt amazingly better. Fat=my friend. Once again, I do appreciate your effort to help though

C4d4a9db7ee3b315eae97795555a1177

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on March 25, 2010
at 08:20 PM

I checked out the links. The books seem to cover either learning about love/being more positive or physical habits such as exercise. Ive covered the philosophy part before, done meditation, self help exercises, Im Christian, my half brother who suffers the same is a Jew and my girlfriend is Buddhist. I exercise, have fellowship in groups and get plenty of sunshine (live in LA). I appreciate your help but sometimes it is a chemical imbalance not bad habits or a lack of love in ones life. I think that there must be something that the Neolithic world is throwing my chemical signals off...

C4d4a9db7ee3b315eae97795555a1177

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on March 25, 2010
at 08:08 PM

Im not manic depressive. Manic depressives have periods where they dont need sleep and are very impulsive with big decisions such as spending large amount of money or very risky investments. I always need sleep and am very cautious financially. According to the Amen clinic there are 6 different types of ADD. One of the 6 can mimic manic depressive. I appreciate your help and will take a look at your links

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on March 25, 2010
at 03:33 AM

i can't believe patients don't have access to their own results. i have been very happy with service from directlabs.com. they do all the standard tests for not too much $ and it's a lot easier than going through the system.

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on March 24, 2010
at 08:37 PM

no need to soak the bones, just add the vinegar and start cooking

8564091e3cf82ea53843c0dbcf57857a

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on March 24, 2010
at 08:02 PM

ah geez I keep forgetting cococnut fat. I need to remember that one too thanks! I got better on animal fats, but slowly having more coconut too..

C4d4a9db7ee3b315eae97795555a1177

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on March 24, 2010
at 06:40 PM

I wish I could pick more than one answer. All of them were very helpful. Im going to try and regulate my sleep better and just plow through it. I picked this one as I do notice a marked difference if I eat enough fat, especially coconut milk. All of the issues I listed Ive had since 14 and are genetic as my dad and half brother also have them and we grew up 2,000+ miles apart. Ive been searching for an answer and I do believe that Paleo is the way. Thanks once again!!!

C4d4a9db7ee3b315eae97795555a1177

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on March 24, 2010
at 05:38 PM

:-) Thanks....

C4d4a9db7ee3b315eae97795555a1177

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on March 24, 2010
at 05:31 PM

Hi Patrik. Great site. I did have my thyroid checked and my doctor told me it came back normal. In California the lab cant give you the results but I have a doctors appt early April and plan on asking to see the results to see how the tested and what the numbers were. I know that some on this site mentioned that most labs tyroid tests are bunk. Ill check the thread out you mentioned

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on March 24, 2010
at 05:29 PM

I agree with this one. I pounded a can of trader joes light coconut oil the other day and felt amazing afterwords. Ill have to remember this. I ate some grass fed beef with bacon (and a side of berries) this morning so off to a good fat day

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on March 24, 2010
at 01:38 PM

Hamilton Beach crockpots claim that they do not contain lead.

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on March 24, 2010
at 01:24 PM

Have you been to the doctor, and had a physical examination? Get one.

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on March 24, 2010
at 12:37 PM

Yeah, the ACV is for drawing the minerals out of the bones. I use my crockpot at very low temps, which should minimize and lead danger. The company claims that mine is lead-free, but don't know if you can trust that.

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on March 24, 2010
at 12:31 PM

Just wanted to check- when you talk about apple cider vinegar for broth, you mean to soak the bones before boiling, not as an addition at the end for live cultures, right?

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on March 24, 2010
at 10:18 AM

FWIW, I've been on low-carb since 2008, and on & off I'm in the same situation as you, see my posting at http://www.paleonu.com/panu-forum/post/1042073?lastPage=true

D15d6820ef1545edac65e975cc2d8949

on March 24, 2010
at 10:17 AM

FWIW, I have a similar problem w/ low [mental] energy in the mornings, see my posting at http://www.paleonu.com/panu-forum/post/1042073

Eae21abfabb19c4617b2630386994fd9

on March 24, 2010
at 07:20 AM

With multis there is a lot of trust in a company to manufacture it correctly. Good effects can be found from multis. But a pill can be very different than what is found in nature and you can definitely find some studies with bad effects. Overview: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/features/why-vitamins-are-hard-to-swallow-1900474.html The variety of a multi is not optimal- a male paleo is likely to already have plenty of iron, for example. The safest supplements are natural forms: cod liver oil, bone broth, seaweed. This is an area I am actively researching.

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on March 24, 2010
at 06:54 AM

Yeah, nothing better than heavy lifting in my mind. It is suprisingly hard to find in depth information on protein powders. The basic idea is we are built to digest natural forms of protein that come with fat, etc. The refining process can only possibly make things worse. Maybe I shouldn't be so against them, but at a minimum you have to put a lot of trust in a company not to screw things up. The WAPF on protein bars: http://www.westonaprice.org/Hyperbole-Meets-High-Tech-Slick-Sales-Talk-and-Modern-Energy-Bars.html

C4d4a9db7ee3b315eae97795555a1177

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on March 24, 2010
at 06:02 AM

I was on Starting Strength but do a variation of it. I also do use a foam roller. I may try Sherdog, I used to be a member there. I actually crash if I have higher carbs. I want to go to sleep right after. Ive felt low energy most of my life and trying to tackle it is what brought me to Paleo. I am feeling better though

C4d4a9db7ee3b315eae97795555a1177

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on March 24, 2010
at 05:56 AM

Thanks HealthRediscovery. I actually do enjoy the compound weights. The way you feel after a heavy set is amazing. I dont think it wears me out as I felt this way before I started going to the gym. Just out of curiosity do you have any links that you can provide that say multivitamins and protein powders are bad. I understand that whole food is preferred but didnt know that supplements are bad (especially considering how nutrient depleted our soil is) I dont eat any dairy and Ill try some more fermented foods.

C4d4a9db7ee3b315eae97795555a1177

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on March 24, 2010
at 05:52 AM

I may be as Im always stuffed up but have dropped all dairy, even goats dairy for now. Ive also tested positive to dairy and lactose but it is a somewhat suspect test (long story)

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on March 24, 2010
at 05:03 AM

I agree, Ryan. Stick to it! It looks like you're on track, but you just need to give it more time.

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on March 24, 2010
at 05:02 AM

I agree, Ryan. Stick too it. Looks like you're on track, but you just need to give it more time.

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on March 24, 2010
at 05:01 AM

Melissa, does the lead element of enamel in crock-pots not cause you concern? I stressed about this a few months back and finally caved and bought a cast iron dutch oven instead. I'm still not convinced that the lead content is dangerous enough but I wanted to be safe... What are your thoughts?

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on March 24, 2010
at 04:13 AM

High dose fish oil can also cause low blood pressure, which can make fatigue and depression worse.

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on March 24, 2010
at 04:08 AM

Ryan, are you allergic to dairy? Starting lacto-paleo instead of "pure" paleo would simplify your life at first, making it easier to balance your macronutrients and keep your calories up.

C4d4a9db7ee3b315eae97795555a1177

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on March 24, 2010
at 01:40 AM

I feel better than before changing my diet, especially those half days that I mentioned where I feel euphoric and boundless energy. I am frustrated that I still have crashes and total off days though. I still believe in Paleo, Im just posting to see if anyone has any suggestions that I can use to make it better

C4d4a9db7ee3b315eae97795555a1177

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on March 24, 2010
at 01:39 AM

Compound weights are exercises such as the deadlift, squat, clean and jerk. They are movements that involve more than one muscle group instead of an isolation movement such as a bicep isolation curl. The reason that I mentioned it is that alot of people in the Paleo world such as Mark Sisson, Robb Wolf and even Sleep, Sugar and Survival (reading now) recommends these type of workouts for optimum hormone release and general health.

Eae21abfabb19c4617b2630386994fd9

on March 24, 2010
at 01:31 AM

what is "Compound Weight" ? Do you feel the same now as before changing your diet?

C4d4a9db7ee3b315eae97795555a1177

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on March 24, 2010
at 01:29 AM

Thanks Glenn. Yeah its the same Ryan. I didnt formally register so my number count resets if the computer cookies are cleared. No biggie, Im just happy to have access to this great community. I'll hang in there

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8564091e3cf82ea53843c0dbcf57857a

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on March 24, 2010
at 03:08 PM

Fats, definitely fats. Based on my experience I get those symptoms only when I don't eat enough fats the day before. If you're cutting out dairy and eggs you'll need to start looking at cooking with and eating more animal fats. Lard, tallow, and eating the fatty cuts of meat are best. I would suggest butter or ghee even if you are cutting most dairy products. Also don't only have the premium meat cuts, go for the organ meats too which have a lot more nutrients. Try fish, shellfish and if you're eating chicken make sure to eat the skin. Stay patient too, let yourself rest and adapt to this new diet.

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on March 24, 2010
at 08:02 PM

ah geez I keep forgetting cococnut fat. I need to remember that one too thanks! I got better on animal fats, but slowly having more coconut too..

C4d4a9db7ee3b315eae97795555a1177

(623)

on March 24, 2010
at 05:29 PM

I agree with this one. I pounded a can of trader joes light coconut oil the other day and felt amazing afterwords. Ill have to remember this. I ate some grass fed beef with bacon (and a side of berries) this morning so off to a good fat day

C4d4a9db7ee3b315eae97795555a1177

(623)

on March 24, 2010
at 06:40 PM

I wish I could pick more than one answer. All of them were very helpful. Im going to try and regulate my sleep better and just plow through it. I picked this one as I do notice a marked difference if I eat enough fat, especially coconut milk. All of the issues I listed Ive had since 14 and are genetic as my dad and half brother also have them and we grew up 2,000+ miles apart. Ive been searching for an answer and I do believe that Paleo is the way. Thanks once again!!!

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on March 24, 2010
at 02:37 AM

Ryan, I think your body doesn't know what to do with all the real food you are now eating. It will take some time for your system to keto adapt.

Have some chicken livers fried in bacon fat along with fried onions. Have some beef heart slice thin and pan fried med rare in coconut oil along with a little thyme and basil.

I mention organs because they are loaded with vitamins. Eat real eggs fried in coconut oil or butter or medium chain fatty acid oil. Ditch the whey protein.

Eat real food. Eat your veggies slathered in butter so you will absorb the nutrients better. And microwave a small yam until soft, slice lengthwise and slather with butter. Eat with your meat and fat.

Go for a walk for 30 min everyday day barefooted on real grass. Connecting with the earth does wonders for depression. Do not participate in depression. It serves no purpose. Barefoot on grass is like a massage. Take time to enjoy the experience everyday.

You hang in tough.

This community of paleos all have been in your shoes to one degree or another and we all made it and so will you. Patience and perserverance to power on.

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on November 19, 2010
at 07:54 PM

Very well said, Dexter.

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on January 15, 2011
at 12:40 AM

Dexter, I agree, you put this very nicely.

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on March 24, 2010
at 02:16 AM

If your body is healing I think the last thing you need to do is stress it with excessive protein. Here is my "healing paleo" shopping list:

Once you are eating grass fed you can ditch the fish oil I think. That stuff can suppress the immune system and much of it is of dubious quality. L-lysine might also help you.

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on March 24, 2010
at 04:13 AM

High dose fish oil can also cause low blood pressure, which can make fatigue and depression worse.

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on March 24, 2010
at 12:37 PM

Yeah, the ACV is for drawing the minerals out of the bones. I use my crockpot at very low temps, which should minimize and lead danger. The company claims that mine is lead-free, but don't know if you can trust that.

245c53790116339bcc79fb789f6f9c9d

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on March 24, 2010
at 12:31 PM

Just wanted to check- when you talk about apple cider vinegar for broth, you mean to soak the bones before boiling, not as an addition at the end for live cultures, right?

A89f9751a97c3082802dc0bcbe4e9208

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on March 24, 2010
at 05:01 AM

Melissa, does the lead element of enamel in crock-pots not cause you concern? I stressed about this a few months back and finally caved and bought a cast iron dutch oven instead. I'm still not convinced that the lead content is dangerous enough but I wanted to be safe... What are your thoughts?

Be4b60059db3511771303de1613ecb67

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on March 24, 2010
at 01:38 PM

Hamilton Beach crockpots claim that they do not contain lead.

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on March 24, 2010
at 08:37 PM

no need to soak the bones, just add the vinegar and start cooking

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on March 24, 2010
at 01:44 AM

Some thoughts, none specific to low-energy.

Low carb: You don't have to go very-low carb or low carb at all. Some people consider potatoes to be paleo. Do whatever makes you feel the best. When you feel good, then experiment more. Adapting to low-carb can be difficult and take a lot of time.

Vitamins/supplements: Multi-vitamins are generally considered bad here and elsewhere. Try and figure out what you actually need from it. B-complex and some of the other supplements may not be necessary either.

Egg white protein powder: Protein powder is a protein-rich junk food (nutrients have been processed out of it). Egg whites don't have many nutrients either, the yolk is where it is at.

Dairy: Try letting your milk ferment if it is raw milk. Try not consuming dairy.

Gut health: Try eating more fermented foods.


Update from question clarifications:

Do you enjoy your lifting a lot? Think about doing a sport that you think is really fun. Peforming just the big compound movements can create a lot of tension (and possibly muscle imbalances). Make sure to get rid of tension with opposing exercises, cool-down, stretches, etc.

It is great to see you have been improving. Keep it up! If pure paleo can't get you the rest of the way there, try something else.

Eae21abfabb19c4617b2630386994fd9

on March 24, 2010
at 06:54 AM

Yeah, nothing better than heavy lifting in my mind. It is suprisingly hard to find in depth information on protein powders. The basic idea is we are built to digest natural forms of protein that come with fat, etc. The refining process can only possibly make things worse. Maybe I shouldn't be so against them, but at a minimum you have to put a lot of trust in a company not to screw things up. The WAPF on protein bars: http://www.westonaprice.org/Hyperbole-Meets-High-Tech-Slick-Sales-Talk-and-Modern-Energy-Bars.html

Eae21abfabb19c4617b2630386994fd9

on March 24, 2010
at 07:20 AM

With multis there is a lot of trust in a company to manufacture it correctly. Good effects can be found from multis. But a pill can be very different than what is found in nature and you can definitely find some studies with bad effects. Overview: http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/features/why-vitamins-are-hard-to-swallow-1900474.html The variety of a multi is not optimal- a male paleo is likely to already have plenty of iron, for example. The safest supplements are natural forms: cod liver oil, bone broth, seaweed. This is an area I am actively researching.

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on March 24, 2010
at 05:56 AM

Thanks HealthRediscovery. I actually do enjoy the compound weights. The way you feel after a heavy set is amazing. I dont think it wears me out as I felt this way before I started going to the gym. Just out of curiosity do you have any links that you can provide that say multivitamins and protein powders are bad. I understand that whole food is preferred but didnt know that supplements are bad (especially considering how nutrient depleted our soil is) I dont eat any dairy and Ill try some more fermented foods.

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on March 24, 2010
at 05:47 PM

I don't agree that your body is healing. Extended ketosis is known to cause "mental fog" for some people, especially if doing a lot of endurance related activities. Definitely up your fruit consumption. Also, switching to goat's milk isn't good enough. I recommend dropping all dairy completely.

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on March 24, 2010
at 10:22 AM

I am just going to add something about sleep, as it seems most of the nutrition and exercise elements have been covered by the above answers.

You say:

Been sleeping more than ever. Used to sleep 9 hrs a night now sleeping 9.5 to 10.5. Go to bed around midnight and get up around 9-10:30 (I was laid off from my finance job about 6 months ago, I know I sound depressed and I may be a little but depression runs in my family, hence I always have bouts of depression).

I think in addition to trying the diet and exercise changes above, you should try to go to bed when it gets dark and wake up naturally with the dawn, then get up when you first wake up (do not lie in bed once you are awake). Just try it for a week, that's all, and see how it changes the groggy feeling you have. If you have nothing to do in the morning, try some tai chi or yoga perhaps or spend time making a good protein and fat rich breakfast (don't cut out the eggs!).

Sleep in a completely dark room all night and this may help 're-set' your circadian rhythms. If you need to get up in the night, use a candle to see by (or very low lighting)....sounds kinda 'caveman like' doesn't it?

To keep in balance with this, get plenty of sunshine during the day...this may help remedy the bouts of depression you sometimes get.

You say you are waking up stiff, this maybe because you body is still de-toxing from your SAD diet, which can leave the muscles stiff upon waking. If you have a stiff neck you may also have candida (paleo is a natural anti-candida diet but see here for more details of tried and tested anti-candida foods/remedies). In addition, your muscles may be stiff because they are releasing heavy metals into your system, again from your recent diet improvements - here are some protocols for heavy metal detox.

Remember, it has only been a month; 'be gentle to yourself' is probably the best advice you can hear right now. Time is a great healer.

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on March 24, 2010
at 05:38 PM

:-) Thanks....

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on March 24, 2010
at 03:08 AM

I think part of the issue may be over-training for your current diet.

I know some people who won't train deadlifts more than once a week and the same for squats, but again the other parts of the equations are your goals and your diet intake

If you are trying to recover/build muscle, you'd need to up your calories at least 1000 a day, or add more carbs on weight training days (only in the morning and right arround when you train) if you don't want to feel so out of it, it that is the issue, but than it depends on your specific situation how much you are doing and whats affecting your progress.

Which kind of training are you on? If you are doing something like the Colorado experiment/Tim Ferris/ Body by Science stuff (lift 90% or > of your 1RM 1-6 times per lift 1x-2x per week 5 seconds up 5 seconds down) you should be able to hack it with enough recovery.

If you are doing Olympic lifts, fast cross fit stuff or large amounts of lower weight, than you are going to need carbs. (5x5, 5-3-1, 20 zillion reps of lower weight etc)

also, foam rolling/stretching/yoga/ anything with the lifting?

Maybe post a diet log /training log at sherdog.net forums in the training section, lots of lifters, and lots of low carb/paleo combat athletes there they may be able to point you on the right path more than I can. Only other things aside from the below links I could suggest are check your deficiencies (MG, K, D, ZMA + D helps me a ton with recovery, I see you are taking D and MG, taking them together can help their absorbency, while MG and calcium can block each other apparently).

Oh and hows your water intake? lots of lifters I know of try for 1 gallon or more of water a day, it can also help a ton with recovery.

but yeah like the above posters, more real food, more fat, you don't really need as much fish oil as robb wolf goes for but the athlete studies had it at about 3-4g of combined EPA/DHA per day I think, other things to check are for molecularly distilled fish oil (removes PCB/mercury etc which can be and issue in low quality ones, also fish oils like all PUFA can go bad so keep it in your fridge and bite into one to make sure its not rancid (which can be dangerous!) once in a while, yes this can be a vile experiance)

I also think marks daily apple posted on over-training a while back yup found it, hope some of this helps and good luck!

How to deal with over-training

8 signs you are over-training

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on March 24, 2010
at 06:02 AM

I was on Starting Strength but do a variation of it. I also do use a foam roller. I may try Sherdog, I used to be a member there. I actually crash if I have higher carbs. I want to go to sleep right after. Ive felt low energy most of my life and trying to tackle it is what brought me to Paleo. I am feeling better though

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on March 24, 2010
at 01:22 AM

Ryan (this is the same Ryan that posted before but had to re-register?) Hang in there buddy. Your body is adjusting to some pretty radical changes. I had the same thing. I do some pretty intense workouts, and my training turned to sh-t for several weeks, but it came back. Stay on track.
Don't obsess. Eat real food, relax, sleep, exercise. Repeat. Let us know how you are doing in a few weeks.

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on March 24, 2010
at 05:03 AM

I agree, Ryan. Stick to it! It looks like you're on track, but you just need to give it more time.

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on March 24, 2010
at 01:29 AM

Thanks Glenn. Yeah its the same Ryan. I didnt formally register so my number count resets if the computer cookies are cleared. No biggie, Im just happy to have access to this great community. I'll hang in there

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on March 24, 2010
at 05:02 AM

I agree, Ryan. Stick too it. Looks like you're on track, but you just need to give it more time.

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on September 07, 2013
at 12:44 AM

All good points. Someone once told me 'it's impossible to be depressed if you are moving forward" it's as simple as emptying the dishwasher, polishing your shoes, or clearing out your attic. Since you are unemployed for now, make sure your are doing something every day. if the house is clean enough...volunteer somewhere. But keep moving forward.

And like Art Devany has stressed so often (as did the last commenter)...be patient, be gentle and let it come...it will in time.

Good luck stay strong and keep us posted.

Marc

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on April 13, 2010
at 06:22 PM

I realise that when you become interested in a diet and lifestyle like paleo it is tempting to view everything healthwise as related to it. While it is true they is very important, particularly for mordern western health problems, it is far from the only influence on your health. I am not saying don't change things in an attempt to feel better but be cautious and remember that diet is not the only cause of health problems and so it cannot cure everything.

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on March 24, 2010
at 11:37 AM

I'm inclined to think overtraining and adaptation to a normal diet might be issues here, as well as treating the Paleo diet like a typical American fad diet with calorie counting, wacky supplements, weigh-ins, angst, and unbalanced food choices, etc.

It's a diet in the sense of stuff you eat. Think of it as simply eating the foods you evolved to eat, when you feel hungry, drinking when you're thirsty, getting some fun exercise, and letting your body self-regulate without micromanagement, not a diet in terms of a calorie deprivation-driven controlled starvation regime. It's about eating like a human being, not anorexia lite or some unnatural purpose-specific bodybuilding nutritional regime.

As you can probably tell, my personal experience eating Paleo has been that just eating real food (i.e. Paleo foods) to sate your hunger, without messing around counting calories or supplementing, works just fine. By way of an N=1 experiment, how about taking a week or two break from the weight training, stop taking the supplements, replace your fish oil with actual fish, hide the scales and calorie charts, eat enough Paleo food to sate you when you're hungry, drink when you're thirsty, sleep when you feel like it, and check back in and let us know how you're doing?

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on April 13, 2010
at 07:36 PM

What you describe sounds almost precisely like me before my multiple food allergies were diagnosed (lucky for me, mine are wheat, corn and soy, so paleo is a perfect fit!). You've got most of the major allergens gone already. If I were you, I would ditch the eggs for 2 weeks to a month, then re-introduce. If that doesn't help anything, maybe try the nuts. I am also allergic to nuts, but it is an anaphylactic-type reaction, so for me, it wouldn't produce those symptoms. I don't know if it might in others though!

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on March 27, 2010
at 02:53 AM

How are you doing now? I would add FAT FAT FAT. Coconut Butter is good. I still use some dairy- cheeses, Greek Yogurt for the Fat and Protein. Get sleep and allow your body detox. Let us know how you are doing. I'm diabetioc and a Primal/Paleo diet with Low carg High fat has been the best thing Ive done for myself.

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on March 28, 2010
at 01:10 AM

Im gradually feeling better but still not where Id like to be. Been under 50 carbs for only a few weeks and understand it can take up to a month to adjust so just going to ride it out.

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on March 24, 2010
at 08:46 PM

Congrats on ditching the milk. You could try ghee to see if casein is an issue.

Are you certain you tolerate eggs? Be sure to check the whites and yolks separately.

overtraining is a definite possibility. love the dark room for sleeping idea.

You're taking D, but have you had your levels checked?

Epsom salt baths and/or magnesium supplements (bone broth idea is best for this)

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on March 24, 2010
at 05:00 PM

@Ryan

You might have a thyroid issue. Search here on PaleoHack for thyroid, also check out Diana Hsieh's blog and her experience with thyroid and iodine.

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on March 25, 2010
at 10:03 PM

@Ryan My thoughts on this are you should take your health into your own hands. Read it as you will.

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on March 25, 2010
at 03:33 AM

i can't believe patients don't have access to their own results. i have been very happy with service from directlabs.com. they do all the standard tests for not too much $ and it's a lot easier than going through the system.

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on March 25, 2010
at 10:04 PM

@Ryan -- true story: doctor tested me for food allergies for migraines and told me I had no food allergies/sensitivities and no connection to migraines. My migraines were "genetic". I go Paleo and cut wheat out of my diet.....migraines gone. No joke.

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on March 24, 2010
at 05:31 PM

Hi Patrik. Great site. I did have my thyroid checked and my doctor told me it came back normal. In California the lab cant give you the results but I have a doctors appt early April and plan on asking to see the results to see how the tested and what the numbers were. I know that some on this site mentioned that most labs tyroid tests are bunk. Ill check the thread out you mentioned

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on April 13, 2010
at 07:39 PM

update, please?

still sleeping a ton?

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on April 13, 2010
at 09:17 PM

I dropped eggs as well and it has helped alot. I had some scrambled eggs this week and about an hour later got a headache, some body aches. Also realized how sensitive to gluten I really am and that I need to completely avoid it or I will become lethargic and "achy". Basically if I stick to a strict Paleo diet with no eggs (nuts seem to be okay) I feel much much better. Been a long journey but there is a definite light at the end of the tunnel. P.S finally created an official account on this website :-)

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on April 13, 2010
at 07:57 PM

Oh! Just realized this question was pretty old!

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on March 25, 2010
at 03:32 AM

I might be completely wrong about this, but I'm picking up a very faint signal of mild manic-depressiveness; this is normal in young people who didn't grow up in a family/culture that is psychologically aware, and exacerbated by the SAD of sugar highs and lows.

If you were a sous vide cooker run by a PID controller, I would suggest that the mood swings look a lot like too high a derivative (D) setting -- a lot of overshoot in either direction. Diet can help damp those oscillations, but so can a bit of cognitive-behavioural self-therapy.

Have you tried meditation?

To those suffering from depression I can recommend

http://www.amazon.com/Noonday-Demon-Atlas-Depression/dp/0684854678/

http://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Patterns-Depression-Michael-Yapko/dp/0385483708/

http://www.amazon.com/Learned-Optimism-Change-Your-Mind/dp/0671019112/

Good luck, and remember: happiness = reality – expectations

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on March 25, 2010
at 08:20 PM

I checked out the links. The books seem to cover either learning about love/being more positive or physical habits such as exercise. Ive covered the philosophy part before, done meditation, self help exercises, Im Christian, my half brother who suffers the same is a Jew and my girlfriend is Buddhist. I exercise, have fellowship in groups and get plenty of sunshine (live in LA). I appreciate your help but sometimes it is a chemical imbalance not bad habits or a lack of love in ones life. I think that there must be something that the Neolithic world is throwing my chemical signals off...

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on March 25, 2010
at 08:22 PM

...and I think that the Paleo approach can help remedy at least a big part of that. I just need to continue to dial it in further. Drank two cans of lite coconut milk (all I had on hand) yesterday and felt amazingly better. Fat=my friend. Once again, I do appreciate your effort to help though

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on March 25, 2010
at 08:08 PM

Im not manic depressive. Manic depressives have periods where they dont need sleep and are very impulsive with big decisions such as spending large amount of money or very risky investments. I always need sleep and am very cautious financially. According to the Amen clinic there are 6 different types of ADD. One of the 6 can mimic manic depressive. I appreciate your help and will take a look at your links

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