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Atkins and (low carb) Paleo

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 10, 2011 at 3:22 PM

I would like to understand the similarities and differences between the Atkins and low carb paleo diet, as practised by many. I see two important differences: that paleo stresses the value of pasture raised (if possible also organic) meat, dairy and eggs and also that paleo puts a great value on the Omega 3 versus Omega 6 balance. Beyond those two valuable differences, it seems to me that those who practice low carb paleo follow a diet almost identical to Atkins. Am I right or are there other important differences?

0408fb6c082971b0559503b77eb9483c

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on August 03, 2012
at 02:35 PM

comparable. When I moved things to higher quality meat after we got the little ranch, the balance shifted dramatically. But the numbers for me have been similar on atkins and paleo. But I did a more or less "natural atkins"

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

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on March 11, 2011
at 09:50 AM

I don't know Dudley :D "FYI low carb paleo means paelo with a rather low limit on the carbs consumed, perhaps50 or 100 grams per day." This is the definition of the OP. Ben, it's painful :D

D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on March 11, 2011
at 03:13 AM

Yes, when I did Atkins in 2005/2006 I found myself eating a lot of the marketed meal bars with a host of questionable ingredients (soy, weird sweeteners, etc.). Little did I know. Now I truly appreciate the value and taste of a real food breakfast - like an epic omelette! :)

2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

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on March 10, 2011
at 08:49 PM

Surely 100g of carbohydrates is not LC, Ikco ?

A8d95f3744a7a0885894ee0731c9744c

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on March 10, 2011
at 06:54 PM

Arguing semantics is fun ;-)

Ac1e55cf06c2180f4008ff01953d10dd

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on March 10, 2011
at 06:45 PM

it is an interesting question. I suspect that for a similar level of carbs consumed the paleo folk would have much better trigs, bc of the high omega 3 content in our diet. In the cholesterol, ldl, etc I am not sure if (low carb) paleo would be that much better than Atkins, though...

Ac1e55cf06c2180f4008ff01953d10dd

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on March 10, 2011
at 05:16 PM

yup though low carb paleos don not have tubers, sooo?

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

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on March 10, 2011
at 05:10 PM

Dude :D This is still about CARBOHYDRATES being the ONLY difference therefore the only question is what is the view of Atkins on carbohydrates and they you compare that to the view of "Paleo low carb". Your answer is here "Atkins says starches are bad period." By Michael. I'm done. See ya.

Ac1e55cf06c2180f4008ff01953d10dd

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on March 10, 2011
at 05:01 PM

very good answer, though low carb paleo folks do not have tubers (even the athletic, not overweight guys) so the first difference becomes irrelevant for them. The second about the quality of fats is extremely important, and this one I mentioned, indirectly through the omega 3/omega 6 balance that is lost in the corn oil Atkins!

Ac1e55cf06c2180f4008ff01953d10dd

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on March 10, 2011
at 04:56 PM

what about tubers?

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

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on March 10, 2011
at 04:38 PM

Well this difference is the same no matter if you are "Paleo" or "low carb Paleo"

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

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on March 10, 2011
at 04:37 PM

OK, I'll play. How much vegetables (spinach/cauliflower/broccoli/brussels sprouts) do you need to eat to get 100g of carbohydrates ? For spinach the answer is 3kg (6 pounds) for cauliflower it's 2kg, ... Vegetables as a group aren't as big source of carbohydrates.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

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on March 10, 2011
at 04:33 PM

Ham, bacon, butter, processed or semi-processed foods attitude is the same if you are "paleo" or "low-carb paleo".

Ac1e55cf06c2180f4008ff01953d10dd

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on March 10, 2011
at 04:28 PM

that is interesting, and I agree ideally tough many low carb paleo folks are quite soft on ham, bacon, butter, all processed or semi-processed foods...

Ac1e55cf06c2180f4008ff01953d10dd

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on March 10, 2011
at 04:26 PM

since carb loaded foods are a great part of vegetables there is a huge difference between a diet that is low carb and one that is not.

Ac1e55cf06c2180f4008ff01953d10dd

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on March 10, 2011
at 04:25 PM

since carb loaded foods are a great part of vegetavles there is a huge difference between a diet that is low carb and one that is not.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

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on March 10, 2011
at 04:21 PM

Is the only difference between paleo and low-carb paleo is the carbohydrate consumption then the differences between Atkins and low-carb Paleo are the same as with Atkins and Paleo (minus the carbohydrate consumption). I can't image giving you an answer how low-carb Paleo differs from Atkins, without that answer being also true for just "Paleo". I'll hope you'll find your answer but I'm having a hard time understanding what exactly do you search for, therefore I'll this matter to others.

Ac1e55cf06c2180f4008ff01953d10dd

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on March 10, 2011
at 04:08 PM

FYI low carb paleo means paelo with a rather low limit on the carbs consumed, perhaps50 or 100 grams per day. Yuup there was not an answer concerning my specific question in that thread. I downvoted you bc you suggest to close it, which I think should be restricted to absolutely identical questions, not to those that are somehow connected. That is why I mentioned the father of Logic...

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

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on March 10, 2011
at 04:01 PM

If you have looked at the thread and didn't find your answer, then my bad. I'll leave my post intact so it will be clear about what we speak. I still think that since you are asking about specifics of a "low carb Paleo" you first need to define "low carb Paleo". Which school/version ? What does it allow, what is forbidden, etc. Who the Hellenes be, ya know ? And I smiled a bit on the downvote :D

Ac1e55cf06c2180f4008ff01953d10dd

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on March 10, 2011
at 03:52 PM

You are wrong, I must say because that question was about differences between paleo and Atkins, and mine is about differences between low carb paleo and Atkins. Since Atkins is low carb the most obvious answer to that previous question was that paleo does not have to be low carb (although it may!). This question is more specific, about low carb paleo. As you know, all Greeks are humans but not all humans are Greek, as Aristotle taught us long ago...

Ac1e55cf06c2180f4008ff01953d10dd

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on March 10, 2011
at 03:49 PM

You are wrong, I must say because that question was about differences between paleo and Atkins, and mine is about differences between low carb paleo and Atkins. Since Atkins is low carb the most obvious answer to that previous question was that paleo does not have to be low carb (although it may!). This question is more specific, about low carb paleo. As you know, all Greeks are humans but not all humans are Greek, as Seneca used to say...

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Dc6407193ba441d1438f6f0c06af872b

on March 10, 2011
at 04:55 PM

As I see it, there are two huge differences:

  • Carbs: Paleo allows sweet potatoes and other starchy tubers for people who are not overweight and who exercise a lot. Potatoes could even be okay if you peel them. Atkins says starches are bad period.

  • Fats: Atkins says fat is good. Paleo says basically all vegetable/seed oils are bad (except coconut oil and, if not used for cooking, olive oil). So Atkins says mayo is great, Paleo says it's awful. Gigantic difference.

There are smaller differences, e.g. Paleo prefers less dairy and focuses more on grass-fed, organic, unprocessed, etc. Paleo discourages sugar-alchohols and artificial sweeteners, etc. But the very main thing is, for God's sake, back away from the corn oil!

Ac1e55cf06c2180f4008ff01953d10dd

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on March 10, 2011
at 05:01 PM

very good answer, though low carb paleo folks do not have tubers (even the athletic, not overweight guys) so the first difference becomes irrelevant for them. The second about the quality of fats is extremely important, and this one I mentioned, indirectly through the omega 3/omega 6 balance that is lost in the corn oil Atkins!

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A8d95f3744a7a0885894ee0731c9744c

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on March 10, 2011
at 03:38 PM

I think you hit it on the nose when you mentioned quality. The quality of the protein and fats are vastly different between Atkins and LC Paleo. Personally, I wouldn't venture into the LC realm unless I knew I was getting great O3:O6. Gotta watch that inflammation!

I also think (correct me if I'm wrong) that Atkins is only LC for a portion of the diet, in order to reintroduce good carbs. Some LC Paleo folks live that way.

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8f4ff12a53a98f3b5814cfe242de0daa

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on March 11, 2011
at 03:08 AM

In most dietary studies the Atkins diet usually produces the best lipid profile (vs. Ornish, Zone, USDA recommendations, etc). Notably in the Standford AtoZ diet study.

You usually don't hear about cholesterol spiking as much on Atkins as paleo (tends to be more olive oil, nuts, and cooking things in US trad oils). Atkins usually ends up pretty close to Mediterranean actually. Since Paleo would say that having a cholesterol over 300 is okay (and in general not worth paying attention to), asking which produces a better profile does not mean much if you are jumping into paleo however.

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on March 10, 2011
at 06:29 PM

As I understand it, eating Atkins means eating anything at all as long as the carb count comes below a certain level. So you might eat specially formulated low carb versions of neolithic foods. Paleo is about avoiding neolithic foods that have been shown to cause problems, so you would not eat that low carb pasta because you'd be avoiding gluten.

D30ff86ad2c1f3b43b99aed213bcf461

on March 11, 2011
at 03:13 AM

Yes, when I did Atkins in 2005/2006 I found myself eating a lot of the marketed meal bars with a host of questionable ingredients (soy, weird sweeteners, etc.). Little did I know. Now I truly appreciate the value and taste of a real food breakfast - like an epic omelette! :)

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on March 10, 2011
at 04:27 PM

A major difference between Atkins and low-carb Paleo is that Atkins advocates their bars and shakes, etc., which are all full of chemicals and artificial sweeteners. Paleo is the way to go if you want to be rid of your "sweet tooth."

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

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on March 10, 2011
at 04:38 PM

Well this difference is the same no matter if you are "Paleo" or "low carb Paleo"

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on March 10, 2011
at 04:25 PM

I think that another difference is that paleo is about eating real foods, not processed foods. Atkins has a whole line of their food and it's full of chemicals and extra fiber and sugar alcohols etc.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

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on March 10, 2011
at 04:33 PM

Ham, bacon, butter, processed or semi-processed foods attitude is the same if you are "paleo" or "low-carb paleo".

Ac1e55cf06c2180f4008ff01953d10dd

(3524)

on March 10, 2011
at 04:28 PM

that is interesting, and I agree ideally tough many low carb paleo folks are quite soft on ham, bacon, butter, all processed or semi-processed foods...

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on March 10, 2011
at 07:14 PM

One thing that seems missing here is that Atkins is fine with grains as long as you are on maintenance levels or are eating 'low carb' breads and things. There was a discussion of low carb tortillas earlier and I think this is a major place Atkins and Paleo part ways. Paleo is anti-grains in all amounts and at all carb levels. That said you could probably be Paleo on the Atkins diet but not all people on Atkins would be considered Paleo.

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Ddc6e183c60193575bbc43455bdbd113

on March 10, 2011
at 06:38 PM

Lipid results of your typical Atkins follower vs. lipids of paleo follower?

Has anyone looked into this? Just curious, as paleo followers seem to have elevated cholesterol (as in my case).

Ac1e55cf06c2180f4008ff01953d10dd

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on March 10, 2011
at 06:45 PM

it is an interesting question. I suspect that for a similar level of carbs consumed the paleo folk would have much better trigs, bc of the high omega 3 content in our diet. In the cholesterol, ldl, etc I am not sure if (low carb) paleo would be that much better than Atkins, though...

0408fb6c082971b0559503b77eb9483c

(308)

on August 03, 2012
at 02:35 PM

comparable. When I moved things to higher quality meat after we got the little ranch, the balance shifted dramatically. But the numbers for me have been similar on atkins and paleo. But I did a more or less "natural atkins"

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84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

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on March 10, 2011
at 03:40 PM

I feel that when we play with labels the first (and usually the hardest) thing is to define those labels. In my opinion "paleo" per se doesn't exist (although the argument could be that Paleo is Cordain's version), there are just different schools so it's really hard to talk about "paleo" when going in the specifics.

This question is very similar if not equal to the one I link below, so good luck and I vote for a close. Reason: duplicate thread.

And if anyone has anything more to say about this topic, please use the thread linked below.

http://paleohacks.com/questions/4034/whats-the-difference-between-atkins-and-the-paleo-diet#axzz1GCRiSfx1

Ac1e55cf06c2180f4008ff01953d10dd

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on March 10, 2011
at 03:49 PM

You are wrong, I must say because that question was about differences between paleo and Atkins, and mine is about differences between low carb paleo and Atkins. Since Atkins is low carb the most obvious answer to that previous question was that paleo does not have to be low carb (although it may!). This question is more specific, about low carb paleo. As you know, all Greeks are humans but not all humans are Greek, as Seneca used to say...

Ac1e55cf06c2180f4008ff01953d10dd

(3524)

on March 10, 2011
at 03:52 PM

You are wrong, I must say because that question was about differences between paleo and Atkins, and mine is about differences between low carb paleo and Atkins. Since Atkins is low carb the most obvious answer to that previous question was that paleo does not have to be low carb (although it may!). This question is more specific, about low carb paleo. As you know, all Greeks are humans but not all humans are Greek, as Aristotle taught us long ago...

Ac1e55cf06c2180f4008ff01953d10dd

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on March 10, 2011
at 05:16 PM

yup though low carb paleos don not have tubers, sooo?

2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

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on March 10, 2011
at 08:49 PM

Surely 100g of carbohydrates is not LC, Ikco ?

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

(2399)

on March 11, 2011
at 09:50 AM

I don't know Dudley :D "FYI low carb paleo means paelo with a rather low limit on the carbs consumed, perhaps50 or 100 grams per day." This is the definition of the OP. Ben, it's painful :D

Ac1e55cf06c2180f4008ff01953d10dd

(3524)

on March 10, 2011
at 04:08 PM

FYI low carb paleo means paelo with a rather low limit on the carbs consumed, perhaps50 or 100 grams per day. Yuup there was not an answer concerning my specific question in that thread. I downvoted you bc you suggest to close it, which I think should be restricted to absolutely identical questions, not to those that are somehow connected. That is why I mentioned the father of Logic...

Ac1e55cf06c2180f4008ff01953d10dd

(3524)

on March 10, 2011
at 04:56 PM

what about tubers?

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

(2399)

on March 10, 2011
at 04:37 PM

OK, I'll play. How much vegetables (spinach/cauliflower/broccoli/brussels sprouts) do you need to eat to get 100g of carbohydrates ? For spinach the answer is 3kg (6 pounds) for cauliflower it's 2kg, ... Vegetables as a group aren't as big source of carbohydrates.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

(2399)

on March 10, 2011
at 04:01 PM

If you have looked at the thread and didn't find your answer, then my bad. I'll leave my post intact so it will be clear about what we speak. I still think that since you are asking about specifics of a "low carb Paleo" you first need to define "low carb Paleo". Which school/version ? What does it allow, what is forbidden, etc. Who the Hellenes be, ya know ? And I smiled a bit on the downvote :D

A8d95f3744a7a0885894ee0731c9744c

(3761)

on March 10, 2011
at 06:54 PM

Arguing semantics is fun ;-)

Ac1e55cf06c2180f4008ff01953d10dd

(3524)

on March 10, 2011
at 04:26 PM

since carb loaded foods are a great part of vegetables there is a huge difference between a diet that is low carb and one that is not.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

(2399)

on March 10, 2011
at 05:10 PM

Dude :D This is still about CARBOHYDRATES being the ONLY difference therefore the only question is what is the view of Atkins on carbohydrates and they you compare that to the view of "Paleo low carb". Your answer is here "Atkins says starches are bad period." By Michael. I'm done. See ya.

Ac1e55cf06c2180f4008ff01953d10dd

(3524)

on March 10, 2011
at 04:25 PM

since carb loaded foods are a great part of vegetavles there is a huge difference between a diet that is low carb and one that is not.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

(2399)

on March 10, 2011
at 04:21 PM

Is the only difference between paleo and low-carb paleo is the carbohydrate consumption then the differences between Atkins and low-carb Paleo are the same as with Atkins and Paleo (minus the carbohydrate consumption). I can't image giving you an answer how low-carb Paleo differs from Atkins, without that answer being also true for just "Paleo". I'll hope you'll find your answer but I'm having a hard time understanding what exactly do you search for, therefore I'll this matter to others.

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