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Are you Extremely Judgemental? Do Neolethal Eaters hit your nerve?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created June 09, 2010 at 2:03 AM

I've found that I have to supress the urge to chastise people everywhere for eating poison and for not knowing better!

I have to restrict myself from lecturing on the evils of sugar and wheat

I have to restrain from interrupting someone talking about low fat diet X being the latest greatest

I have to bite my tongue when someone complains about themselves or a loved one with diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol or other easily curable "disease" because when I open my mouth to explain, they say "you're no doctor" "my doctor says otherwise" "no way, studies!!! Show that fat is bad for you" really which ones?

No one wants to listen

no one wants to hear that they've been LIED to their entire lives

no one wants to hear that the government has misinformed them and worse MISTRAINED their doctors...

Anyone else feel like they should be shouting from the rooftops but don't want to have to dodge rotting fruit to do so?

I get people that ask me how I lost 105lbs... Then scoff at me and call me stupid when I say i eat fat instead of carbs/sugar, they insist I'm going to kill myself or that their friend X tried diet Y that they read about on the Internet and now they have disease Z

what do we do? How do we break thru the shell and let them hear the truth?

Edit: additional question... how do we paleosmack our childrens athletic coach, who wants to carb load junk food into all the kids?

Edit: wanted to share a little "sigh" story.

At work, we had a luncheon. only "safe" food was a salad. Lettuce. So im grabbing a plate of lettuce so as not to be the only guy sitting around with nothing. Normally Id just skip the meal. 2 slightly overweight guys suggested I take food (I think it was chicken pot pie). I said, I can't. One insisted, no, you want to, but are avoiding it. I replied: no, Im allergic to wheat. The other quickly replied, oh that makes sense why you're so skinny. /facepalm. If you understand that wheat makes you fat... Why do you eat it? /ragequit.

D31a2a2d43191b15ca4a1c7ec7d03038

(4134)

on May 25, 2011
at 03:30 PM

Pieter, congratulations on the butter victory. All the best with the grain project.

B3c62d89cd47b7d7209b6a99243d0ded

(10778)

on April 04, 2011
at 10:11 PM

I'd rather be healthy.

3b803506ca7d7b5796bc16ee5b9f11d3

(198)

on March 26, 2011
at 01:14 PM

I think M. was being facetious.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on March 23, 2011
at 06:03 PM

And if the corn soy an wheat plantations were reclaimed I think we'd be fine

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on March 23, 2011
at 06:02 PM

I beg to differ. Competition drives down prices, need in the market increases supply. Those producing meat will produce what we demand.

6da9aadfd5e3751311ca11285452c3ce

on January 05, 2011
at 02:07 AM

And the award for reasonable, intelligent discourse goes to...

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

(5838)

on November 17, 2010
at 07:03 PM

A coworker was asking me about the Paleo way of life. I started explaining using simple, basic examples (Panu 12 steps as an example). He then proceeded to tell me I sound like some kid that just discovered religion and how it's the only true way.

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

(5838)

on November 17, 2010
at 06:49 PM

Same here. Co-worker's heckle me, I laugh it off and keep on truckin. Then I see my parents (both overweight) eating "healthy" and wondering why they cant lose weight. I've tried to help, but it's a fine line to walk. I agree with what other people above mentioned, nobody likes figuring out they have been lied to. Whether it be dietary, financial, etc... it all ties in

B3c62d89cd47b7d7209b6a99243d0ded

(10778)

on September 28, 2010
at 08:03 PM

Paul- Thanks for the feedback on the idea!

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on September 28, 2010
at 01:33 PM

Hi Adam, I also recently used "you wouldn't believe me if I told you." Worked well, thanks. I think it sets up the right tone between you and the person you want to give you a chance.

691f120a3e7a1a036845d105d86c99a3

(3641)

on September 14, 2010
at 05:19 PM

amazing how convenient it is to be fat and get cancer after years of processed food, amirite?

0fb8b3d6dcfb279b0f7e050d2d22510f

(4645)

on July 29, 2010
at 02:51 AM

I hope I didn't apply that you or anyone else act like asses but I know some do. I don't like how some paleo blogs are full of arrogance and disdain for others. This is not good for a group ( us) that need to extend our voices beyond the choir.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on July 28, 2010
at 09:55 PM

Oh the coach won't feed my kid crap, but feeding the rest of the team pizza in front of my kid makes me mad... Oh well...

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on July 28, 2010
at 11:55 AM

And don't assume we act like asses either, coercion and explanations ae what's happening, the frustration is internal

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on July 28, 2010
at 11:54 AM

Not anger, frustration, these are friends and colleages that I'd like to see healthy... No grok don't eat that plant it made Duroc sick last week

95ab15c8ef50ff0daf87ccbdd52cd3b8

(2384)

on July 28, 2010
at 11:38 AM

Another famous historical figure said, "Act, but do not reflect on the fruits of the act." Tell people if they ask, but don't get all bent out of shape if they don't hear what you're saying.

95ab15c8ef50ff0daf87ccbdd52cd3b8

(2384)

on July 28, 2010
at 10:46 AM

My answer to "how did you do it?" is "Bacon and eggs every morning."

6f0efd477208f51d145bea6d7272256e

(627)

on July 04, 2010
at 04:51 PM

+1 for NeoLethal!

89e238284ccb95b439edcff9e123671e

(10299)

on June 10, 2010
at 06:17 PM

Really great! This would work on me!

8063ffc4fa6b60a1275171659f8a14f0

(155)

on June 10, 2010
at 02:24 PM

This is the approach I use as well and it really seems to set people at ease. VERY few people want to be preached at about anything let alone something that flies in the face of what they've been 'fed' their whole lives.

F82f7d4dafb6d0ffc4c2ee2a85420786

(484)

on June 09, 2010
at 11:43 PM

Yes, very true and very sad.

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on June 09, 2010
at 08:46 PM

"You've been told many times before, messiahs pointed to the door, but no one had the guts to leave the temple" the who

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on June 09, 2010
at 08:31 PM

Love it. Gonna try it

B3c62d89cd47b7d7209b6a99243d0ded

(10778)

on June 09, 2010
at 05:28 PM

The part of your post that really strikes my own raw nerve are the people who ask what caused the good visible results, and THEN move right to blowing your answer off. They just asked you!

B3c62d89cd47b7d7209b6a99243d0ded

(10778)

on June 09, 2010
at 04:34 PM

@thorsays: thanks for the credit!

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 09, 2010
at 01:47 PM

hot damn, this is a great response. I think its easy for us all to forget this. I mean, there is another thread up here on paleohax about how many of us on these very boards (!) used to be vegetarians andor vegans. That should tell us something right there. Its just very easy to get that tunnel vision, preaching to the converted, etc etc. Im going through this with my own mother a bit right now. Im trying to be subtle, not overwhelm her with info, not scare her, etc.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 09, 2010
at 01:44 PM

"the only time im upset is with my family and the crap they feed the kids" ****This is only thing that sometimes bothers me, too. Other than that i dont really give a hoot what others do. People that know me ask how i keep fit with little to no exercise and i tell them - thats it, simple. But when i see people in my extended family feeding their kids crap, i feel the urge to speakout/recommend a book/etc

08ce57b1bbb3bda8e384234389c36d94

on June 09, 2010
at 01:05 PM

Correction: Galileo said nothing about the shape of the earth and he was not locked up for life. Rather, he proposed that the sun is the center of the universe. Clearly we now know that he was seriously mistaken, the sun is definitely not the center of the universe and the Catholic church had a good case that at the very least he was incorrect and probably uttering blasphemies. As far as we know the earth is the only planet with intelligent life on it so it could be argued that metaphorically the earth indeed is the center of the universe just as the scriptures teach

08ce57b1bbb3bda8e384234389c36d94

on June 09, 2010
at 01:04 PM

Correction: Galileo said nothing about the shape of the earth and he was not locked up for life. Rather, he proposed that the sun is the center of the universe. Clearly we know now that he was seriously mistaken, the sun is definitely not the center of the universe and the Catholic church had a good case that at the very least he was incorrect and probably uttering blasphemies. As far as we know the earth is the only planet with intelligent life on it so it could be argued that metaphorically the earth indeed is the center of the universe just as the scriptures teach.

08ce57b1bbb3bda8e384234389c36d94

on June 09, 2010
at 01:02 PM

Correction: Galileo said nothing about the shape of the earth, rather he proposed that the sun is the center of the universe. Clearly he was incorrect, the sun is not the center of the universe and the Catholic church at least had a good case that he was mistaken. As far as we know the earth is the only planet with intelligent life on it so it could be argued that metaphorically the earth indeed is the center of the universe just as the scriptures teach.

8347d512bca9b034d53da40dab8cd21c

(2517)

on June 09, 2010
at 10:46 AM

I'm with you, Joe. Live by example and those who want the same results will truly want to know how you attained those results.

4145b36f1488224964edac6258b75aff

(7821)

on June 09, 2010
at 10:32 AM

Exactly. Great answer. People need to realize that dietary zealots are a dime a dozen, and that they would have responded to a paleo zealot with disdain prior to discovering paleo themselves.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on June 09, 2010
at 09:06 AM

I let them know that's false, then point out my proteins are stored in muscle and their sugars are stored in that nice spare tire...

70d9359a2086e890a4c3bccb2ba8a8cb

(2254)

on June 09, 2010
at 07:18 AM

"if they ask I tell if they laugh oh well" - I love it!! Rhymes too :)

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on June 09, 2010
at 07:07 AM

Sold my mom pretty quick on all of it. My dad was already fairly healthy in that he avoided most processed junk, got him off soy immediately. still working on grains tho. My daughter loves the fats etc, she's not broken of her sweet tooth yet, although I do not allow her to indulge she still asks about sugar sugar and have to turn her down and give non sweet treats instead

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on June 09, 2010
at 06:56 AM

We pay for studies To create drugs to fix problems that wouldn't exist

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on June 09, 2010
at 06:55 AM

A few of the smarter ones have jumped on board, many are reluctant simply to give up the convenience of processed food

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on June 09, 2010
at 06:54 AM

Except our taxdollars will pay for their healthcare, our costs will go up to manage their illnesses. Billions of our dollars will go to developing drugs to manage their problem, instead of just stopping them from eating poison

03aeff8d87a3b53a449b5b8e9158da98

(3268)

on June 09, 2010
at 02:17 AM

Good question/rant. The complacency of the medical establishment is shocking.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on June 09, 2010
at 02:04 AM

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B3c62d89cd47b7d7209b6a99243d0ded

on June 09, 2010
at 08:30 PM

I sometimes preface my response to "how did you do it?" with a smile and the statement "You would not believe me if I told you."

For some reason, this lets more people actually listen critically, and I'm not sure why humans are wired to believe new-to-them information if they think it is some sort of hidden knowledge.

and Yes yes yes, I sometimes want to shout at people who are about to kill themselves by another (waistline) inch with that next poor/evil/bad food choice... I make myself wait to be asked, it gives me some small chance of being heard.


Now that I am much shrunk from my prior state, those who did not know the bigger me seem to be thinking I always looked like this.

Flattering, yes, but I've lost one of my strong 'proofs' for paleo-based body change.

No, I'm not going to start carrying around a before picture, that would creep out my id AND ego.


Update2: I seem to have gotten a bit younger in my appearance... Most express strong doubts that I am in my 40s. I tell them that I've been aging slower as I eat ia paleo style.

89e238284ccb95b439edcff9e123671e

(10299)

on June 10, 2010
at 06:17 PM

Really great! This would work on me!

8063ffc4fa6b60a1275171659f8a14f0

(155)

on June 10, 2010
at 02:24 PM

This is the approach I use as well and it really seems to set people at ease. VERY few people want to be preached at about anything let alone something that flies in the face of what they've been 'fed' their whole lives.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on June 09, 2010
at 08:31 PM

Love it. Gonna try it

95ab15c8ef50ff0daf87ccbdd52cd3b8

(2384)

on July 28, 2010
at 10:46 AM

My answer to "how did you do it?" is "Bacon and eggs every morning."

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on September 28, 2010
at 01:33 PM

Hi Adam, I also recently used "you wouldn't believe me if I told you." Worked well, thanks. I think it sets up the right tone between you and the person you want to give you a chance.

B3c62d89cd47b7d7209b6a99243d0ded

(10778)

on September 28, 2010
at 08:03 PM

Paul- Thanks for the feedback on the idea!

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0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on June 09, 2010
at 10:08 AM

You said "No one wants to listen".

Can I give an alternative perspective. There is vast amounts of diet and health advice out there, much of it useless and some actually harmful. Plenty of nonsense or advice with no evidence for it is spread even among paleo communities.

Anyone who readily accepts the advice of every person they meet evangelical about their new diet or supplements or whatever, would end up accepting lots of rubbish advice that they get told. In our society now dismissing such offered advice is probably beneficial overall to your health.

Remember than when you try to convince someone about how wonderful your new food knowledge is, you sound exactly like every other vegan, raw-foodist, low-carb, low-fat etc advocate out there. I wonder how many people here were trying to convince their friends how great vegetarianism or low-fat was a few years ago?

Telling people that certain foods are evil is not usually a good to convince people either, it makes you sound too extreme. Remember to keep some perspective. Neolithic foods are not optimal but that does not make them evil. For example my Granddad has reached the age of 90 (so far) eating bread, margarine and sugar in his tea with a healthy heart and has had a healthy life.

If you want to talk to people about food, do it in a more relaxed open way.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 09, 2010
at 01:47 PM

hot damn, this is a great response. I think its easy for us all to forget this. I mean, there is another thread up here on paleohax about how many of us on these very boards (!) used to be vegetarians andor vegans. That should tell us something right there. Its just very easy to get that tunnel vision, preaching to the converted, etc etc. Im going through this with my own mother a bit right now. Im trying to be subtle, not overwhelm her with info, not scare her, etc.

4145b36f1488224964edac6258b75aff

(7821)

on June 09, 2010
at 10:32 AM

Exactly. Great answer. People need to realize that dietary zealots are a dime a dozen, and that they would have responded to a paleo zealot with disdain prior to discovering paleo themselves.

6da9aadfd5e3751311ca11285452c3ce

on January 05, 2011
at 02:07 AM

And the award for reasonable, intelligent discourse goes to...

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08ce57b1bbb3bda8e384234389c36d94

on June 09, 2010
at 03:13 AM

A very famous historical figure once said something I think you should heed:

Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast
ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them
under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

95ab15c8ef50ff0daf87ccbdd52cd3b8

(2384)

on July 28, 2010
at 11:38 AM

Another famous historical figure said, "Act, but do not reflect on the fruits of the act." Tell people if they ask, but don't get all bent out of shape if they don't hear what you're saying.

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89e238284ccb95b439edcff9e123671e

(10299)

on June 09, 2010
at 07:00 AM

I have learned to only give advice when people ask for it. And trust me, I know what you mean and still often feel the urge to preach.

Also, leading by example seems to help, especially for the people I care about and love. My wife was a bit skeptical at first, but bit by bit she changed.

People often thinks the evolutionary approach makes a lot of sense, but in the end they always ask something like: and what about your liver with all that fat? or: don't you have to watch you cholesterol? or: you look fine but you'r still young. or: really interesting, but every week there is a new diet? or... You probably all know these excuses.

Currently trying to convince my parents. They eat butter again!! They lessen their sugar! Next step: grains!

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on June 09, 2010
at 07:07 AM

Sold my mom pretty quick on all of it. My dad was already fairly healthy in that he avoided most processed junk, got him off soy immediately. still working on grains tho. My daughter loves the fats etc, she's not broken of her sweet tooth yet, although I do not allow her to indulge she still asks about sugar sugar and have to turn her down and give non sweet treats instead

D31a2a2d43191b15ca4a1c7ec7d03038

(4134)

on May 25, 2011
at 03:30 PM

Pieter, congratulations on the butter victory. All the best with the grain project.

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on June 09, 2010
at 03:23 PM

I love the whole9 health elevator pitch ('tis a bit of a mouthful though) when trying to let people know how you lost weight, have loads of energy, clear skin etc.

I eat ???real??? food ??? fresh, natural food like meat, vegetables and fruit. I choose foods that are nutrient dense, with lots of naturally-occurring vitamins and minerals, over foods that have more calories but less nutrition. And food quality is important ??? I???m careful about where my meat comes from, and buy produce locally and organically as often as possible.

It???s not a low calorie ???diet??? ??? I eat as much as I need to maintain strength, energy and a healthy weight. In fact, my diet is probably much higher in fat than you???d imagine. Fat isn???t the enemy ??? it???s a great energy source when it comes from high quality foods like avocado, coconut and nuts. And I???m not trying to do a ???low carb??? thing, but since I???m eating vegetables and fruits instead of bread, cereal and pasta, it just happens to work out that way.

Eating like this is good for maintaining a healthy metabolism, and reducing inflammation within the body. It???s been doing great things for my energy levels, body composition and performance in the gym. It also helps to minimize my risk for a whole host of lifestyle diseases and conditions, like diabetes, heart attack and stroke.

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B474f3d2d3d7b796c31d7dc656ae44b5

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on June 09, 2010
at 03:21 AM

live by example ..if they ask i tell if they laugh oh well..im not here to convert people the only time im upset is with my family and the crap they feed the kids but i dont know what its like as i have none of my own so i cant really talk.....people dont respond to preaching usualy and are lazy too,,it usualy takes somthing drastic like disease or obesity to spark somthing in most...just what i think...let them have their S***t and Eat it too...i feel and look better and ill tell them how im doing it if they care thats how i feel

8347d512bca9b034d53da40dab8cd21c

(2517)

on June 09, 2010
at 10:46 AM

I'm with you, Joe. Live by example and those who want the same results will truly want to know how you attained those results.

70d9359a2086e890a4c3bccb2ba8a8cb

(2254)

on June 09, 2010
at 07:18 AM

"if they ask I tell if they laugh oh well" - I love it!! Rhymes too :)

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 09, 2010
at 01:44 PM

"the only time im upset is with my family and the crap they feed the kids" ****This is only thing that sometimes bothers me, too. Other than that i dont really give a hoot what others do. People that know me ask how i keep fit with little to no exercise and i tell them - thats it, simple. But when i see people in my extended family feeding their kids crap, i feel the urge to speakout/recommend a book/etc

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

(5838)

on November 17, 2010
at 06:49 PM

Same here. Co-worker's heckle me, I laugh it off and keep on truckin. Then I see my parents (both overweight) eating "healthy" and wondering why they cant lose weight. I've tried to help, but it's a fine line to walk. I agree with what other people above mentioned, nobody likes figuring out they have been lied to. Whether it be dietary, financial, etc... it all ties in

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95ab15c8ef50ff0daf87ccbdd52cd3b8

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on July 28, 2010
at 11:21 AM

I don't care what other people (aside from close friends and loved ones) eat. I really don't. Their choices are not my problem. If they ask me what I'm doing, I tell them. If they don't choose to believe me, that's not my problem either. Why get frustrated about something I can't control? That's definitely not paleo.

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8e606dbf570848c4bc95f98e974a42ca

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on June 09, 2010
at 06:24 PM

"Reason is not automatic. Those who deny it cannot be conqured by it. Do not count on them. Leave them alone." Ayn Rand

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5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

(11581)

on June 09, 2010
at 12:28 PM

IMO no one can hear what they are not ready to hear. Preaching (even though you are right) will only make them turn off the message. I would absolutely answer questions from people - start with simple answers - don't lay it all out for them at once. Let them know that if they want to know more, you'd be glad to answer any other questions or point them info resource - IF they seem interested in your preliminary answers. If they are hostile, with the "you're going to die" type response, I would just say something like "Well, in my experience, this is working very well for me (I've lost xx pounds)" and leave it at that, unless they follow up with a curious or respectful question. If it's hostile still, you should probably agree to disagree.

I'm giving better advice here than I am sometimes able to follow myself. The urge is strong to try and save/better the lives around us, but I've found over and over that that info overload or preaching just doesn't work. Let them watch what happens to you, and if they become ready to hear, they'll come to you.

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on April 04, 2011
at 07:59 PM

I've never been overweight or had any serious health issues so when I try to explain that there are certain foods I don't eat people can't understand why. I've started saying I'm Paleo for political reasons as I pour a big dollop of heavy cream into my coffee. ('Wheat is murder' is my new catchphrase - thanks Paleosister) I do get the urge to preach but I've come to realise that people who don't want to listen can always come up with an argument against everything so there is no point. On the other hand just generally chatting about my reasons with a bit of humorous self-deprecation thrown in "I know I'm weird but..." has led two of my co-workers to give it a go - one of whom has lost over 30lbs in 5 weeks. The biggest tongue-biting will have to be reserved for my 20 year-old niece who gets home from university this week having just turned vegan. I know there will be nothing I can say to someone newly converted and utterly convinced of their own self-righteousness. I think I'll just put her in the same room as my 16 year-old, anarchist daughter who has just read The Vegetarian Myth and stand well back.

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on June 09, 2010
at 04:00 PM

The paleodiet has now gone viral, and is breaking into the mainstream with articles and coverage in the mainstream press (although it's reported simply as a curiousity). There are also some honest-to-god studies underway which should make knowledge of the diet spread even faster. I bought Cordain's book in 2002 when it was still in hardcover, and started the diet then. It made a lot of sense to me on an intuitive level and I lost over 20 pounds in 2 months. When people asked how I did it and I explained the diet, they were basically dismissive, despite the evidence right before their eyes. In my experience, the single biggest problem people seem to have is with grain-based foods, especially bread.

"But bread is low fat." "it's the staff of life." "there's nothing healthier than pasta, what do you think marathoners eat it for?" "like cavemen? sounds like male-oriented marketing hype to me."

Grains, and foods made from them, are so culturally entrenched that it takes a paradigm shift before people can see the problems with eating them. The people I was talking to had such a problem with the idea that grains were unhealthy that they mentally shut down and didn't hear much of the rest of my explanation. I may as well have been telling them that the earth is flat and I have evidence.

So I stopped explaining. I simply said how much weight I lost, how healthy I now was, and what I ate, and that agricultural foods are so unhealthy that they should be regarded as starvation food only. If they had other questions, I answered them. I have faith that with time, and more and more paleos out there, the word will spread. And so will better health.

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F82f7d4dafb6d0ffc4c2ee2a85420786

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on June 09, 2010
at 05:14 AM

Yes, yes, yes - I feel all those frustrations! I have to try to stop myself from being preachy or arrogant, and I suspect I sometimes don't succeed. Oops. Overall, I think you need to let people ask you, rather than broach it yourself, and try and give fairly topline answers at first, then go onto the science stuff if they ask more.

The guys from Whole9 were on Robb Wolf's show the other week, and said that instead of saying 'you can't eat grains etc', they talk about what they do eat, and how it makes them feel, and some of the benefits.

Sally Fallon from Weston A Price reckons all the dumb, lazy people who keep eating crap will die out, and the healthy people will rule the earth. OK, I am paraphrasing, but seriously, that's what she thinks. And I have to say, when the fat person in front of me at the checkout is buying six bottles of coke and tons of white bread, I think I must agree!

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(22913)

on June 09, 2010
at 06:54 AM

Except our taxdollars will pay for their healthcare, our costs will go up to manage their illnesses. Billions of our dollars will go to developing drugs to manage their problem, instead of just stopping them from eating poison

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(484)

on June 09, 2010
at 11:43 PM

Yes, very true and very sad.

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(1548)

on April 04, 2011
at 07:33 PM

I am judgmental. Especially at those whom I have pointed out how I have done this with very little effort and they say "It's just so hard". Having been obese I can tell you that the effort in eating this way is nothing compared to being 100 pounds overweight and just getting up in the morning to face the day as some sort of land whale. Then there are those who have the mentality that they must suffer to lose weight and by trying to do so they "try" but in an effort to make it miserable they make it too miserable and then say it is too hard.

Now I try really hard to keep to myself unless someone asks about how I lost weight. I do find myself referencing my weight loss a bit because of how it affects my job and attire and other considerations, so that can be a lead in.

I find myself having to hold my tongue and work hard to contain the disgust when I see parents with young kids who are obese to the point of having fat rolls. Having been the fat kid all of my life and just recently in my mid-late 30's finally getting fit this strikes a deep nerve.

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on July 28, 2010
at 09:41 PM

Tell that d*mn coach that they are YOUR children and you , the parent, are legally responsible for their health and upbringing ........... BY LAW !

They must stop trying to derail your family's values. You could sue or just take your kids out of that curriculum .......... after all which is more important? I am sure you can find a pastime to jazz your kids up. Luck, Shirley

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on July 28, 2010
at 09:55 PM

Oh the coach won't feed my kid crap, but feeding the rest of the team pizza in front of my kid makes me mad... Oh well...

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F643ceedde9bbf290f31fc2f814100ed

(486)

on June 09, 2010
at 07:49 AM

What about "vegetarians" that barely exist on cheese pizza and soda telling me I have 5 lbs of meat in my intestines! That's what I have to deal with!

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on June 09, 2010
at 09:06 AM

I let them know that's false, then point out my proteins are stored in muscle and their sugars are stored in that nice spare tire...

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(1165)

on June 09, 2010
at 02:23 AM

Yes, but I don't keep my mouth shut although maybe I should. I think that people that come to Paleo are problem solvers so we see and want to fix other people's problems as well. You are right though about resistance. I'll tell people all about the diet, they'll say "wow, that really does make sense," and then they'll go right on eating the way they always ate. The emphasis on fat seems very hard for people to accept, the dropping of processed food and grains people seem a bit more open to

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on June 09, 2010
at 06:55 AM

A few of the smarter ones have jumped on board, many are reluctant simply to give up the convenience of processed food

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(3641)

on September 14, 2010
at 05:19 PM

amazing how convenient it is to be fat and get cancer after years of processed food, amirite?

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on March 23, 2011
at 05:01 PM

No, if other people ate this way, grassfed meat might be more expensive. Supply and demand and whatnot :)

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on March 23, 2011
at 06:03 PM

And if the corn soy an wheat plantations were reclaimed I think we'd be fine

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on March 23, 2011
at 06:02 PM

I beg to differ. Competition drives down prices, need in the market increases supply. Those producing meat will produce what we demand.

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(198)

on March 26, 2011
at 01:14 PM

I think M. was being facetious.

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(1146)

on March 23, 2011
at 04:16 PM

My family is annoyed by me and at times angered by me because I am EXTREMELY judgmental.

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0fb8b3d6dcfb279b0f7e050d2d22510f

(4645)

on July 28, 2010
at 07:22 AM

No- it is not my place to get anger. I can help explain but in no way do I want to act like a missionary bent on conversion over logic.

SET AN EXAMPLE. When people say- "You look great." Be great, not an ass.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on July 28, 2010
at 11:54 AM

Not anger, frustration, these are friends and colleages that I'd like to see healthy... No grok don't eat that plant it made Duroc sick last week

0fb8b3d6dcfb279b0f7e050d2d22510f

(4645)

on July 29, 2010
at 02:51 AM

I hope I didn't apply that you or anyone else act like asses but I know some do. I don't like how some paleo blogs are full of arrogance and disdain for others. This is not good for a group ( us) that need to extend our voices beyond the choir.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22913)

on July 28, 2010
at 11:55 AM

And don't assume we act like asses either, coercion and explanations ae what's happening, the frustration is internal

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(260)

on June 10, 2010
at 10:23 AM

Would you rather be right or happy??
That's what I like to keep in mind ;-)

Nice thread.

Marc

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(10778)

on April 04, 2011
at 10:11 PM

I'd rather be healthy.

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(20)

on June 09, 2010
at 02:07 PM

We are bombarded with so many health and nutrition "truths" and that makes people defensive about their choices. Many institutions are complicit and it keeping an open mind is difficult.

I just wait until they ask. If they are curius and persist I will copy an article for them or send them to a website. My friends are older, generally accepting and non-judgemental. A vegan friend cooks special meals for me when we are entertained at their house.

My outrage is barely contained when i see what parents allow kids to put in their mouths. When I stop for gas at a convenience store I have to bite my tongue.

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(2269)

on June 09, 2010
at 11:12 AM

Pretty much all the vegetarians/vegans I know are overweight to some extent from mildly to quite obese. WTF, Mountain Dew is vegetarian, right? It is a challenge to refrain from comment, but I do. Last thing I want to do is come off as another strident food activist who turns people off to the message.

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

(5838)

on November 17, 2010
at 07:03 PM

A coworker was asking me about the Paleo way of life. I started explaining using simple, basic examples (Panu 12 steps as an example). He then proceeded to tell me I sound like some kid that just discovered religion and how it's the only true way.

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F643ceedde9bbf290f31fc2f814100ed

(486)

on June 09, 2010
at 04:28 AM

I think it is obvious that homo sapiens are the least intelligent creatures on Earth. Enlightening anyone can be very frustrating. Is it worth your stress? Galileo said the world is round, so they locked him away for the restof his life.

08ce57b1bbb3bda8e384234389c36d94

on June 09, 2010
at 01:02 PM

Correction: Galileo said nothing about the shape of the earth, rather he proposed that the sun is the center of the universe. Clearly he was incorrect, the sun is not the center of the universe and the Catholic church at least had a good case that he was mistaken. As far as we know the earth is the only planet with intelligent life on it so it could be argued that metaphorically the earth indeed is the center of the universe just as the scriptures teach.

08ce57b1bbb3bda8e384234389c36d94

on June 09, 2010
at 01:04 PM

Correction: Galileo said nothing about the shape of the earth and he was not locked up for life. Rather, he proposed that the sun is the center of the universe. Clearly we know now that he was seriously mistaken, the sun is definitely not the center of the universe and the Catholic church had a good case that at the very least he was incorrect and probably uttering blasphemies. As far as we know the earth is the only planet with intelligent life on it so it could be argued that metaphorically the earth indeed is the center of the universe just as the scriptures teach.

08ce57b1bbb3bda8e384234389c36d94

on June 09, 2010
at 01:05 PM

Correction: Galileo said nothing about the shape of the earth and he was not locked up for life. Rather, he proposed that the sun is the center of the universe. Clearly we now know that he was seriously mistaken, the sun is definitely not the center of the universe and the Catholic church had a good case that at the very least he was incorrect and probably uttering blasphemies. As far as we know the earth is the only planet with intelligent life on it so it could be argued that metaphorically the earth indeed is the center of the universe just as the scriptures teach

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