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Are You Attending the March Paleo f(x) Ancestral Momentum conference in Austin?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created February 16, 2012 at 11:12 PM

Just wondering if there are many PaleoHacks going to the Paleo f(x) conference in Austin.

Paleo f(x)

4e71477b1b79dfbe3aa9d6fcbc6aa859

on February 26, 2012
at 12:54 PM

Lex, your assessment of the situation between AHS & PFX is right on. We are sister organizations, we have officially backed each other. We believe they are the academic science-laden theory based side of Ancestral Health while PFX Ancestral Momentum is the Application, Practice, "where the rubber meets the road side" of Ancestral Health. We are Yen & Yang. We believe both sides are needed for our movement to progress & push forward & become more mainstream. To attempt to pit us against each other as competing forces is ridiculous, we are anything but. We are in fact, complimentary.

4e71477b1b79dfbe3aa9d6fcbc6aa859

on February 26, 2012
at 12:43 PM

We still need volunteers if you want to be involved! http://www.paleofx.com/volunteer/

4e71477b1b79dfbe3aa9d6fcbc6aa859

on February 26, 2012
at 03:18 AM

@Melissa, I have to say we are disappointed you won't be available for Paleo FX, I do hope you will be next year. I'd love to speak with you sometime soon to discuss your thoughts further especially after reading your post and comments. I have a few things I'd love to talk you about privately. Email me when you have a chance.

4e71477b1b79dfbe3aa9d6fcbc6aa859

on February 26, 2012
at 03:17 AM

@Melissa, I have to say we are disappointed you won't be available for Paleo FX, I do hope you will be next year. I'd love to speak with you sometime soon to discuss your thoughts further especially after reading your post and comments. I have a few things I'd love to talk you about privately. Email me when you have a chance.

4e71477b1b79dfbe3aa9d6fcbc6aa859

on February 26, 2012
at 03:13 AM

@Melissa, I have to say we are disappointed you won't be available for Paleo FX, I do hope you will be next year. I'd love to speak with you sometime soon to discuss your thoughts further especially after reading your post and comments. I have a few things I'd love to talk you about privately. Email me when you have a chance.

4e71477b1b79dfbe3aa9d6fcbc6aa859

on February 26, 2012
at 02:55 AM

@Shari, when reading all the comments, I actually missed one of your comments, "IN MY OPINION it's completely lame. I don't understand why anyone would want to go...IMO it's cut-rate and half-assed which is why I am not going." Can you explain to me what you think is lame, cut-rate and half-assed? Maybe I can help with your perception because like I said, we are doing everything high class, first rate & top notch. We've not skimped on anything. So I'd really like an opportunity to respond to actual facts you believe you have about our event. Thank you so much for your input. Michelle Norris

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on February 26, 2012
at 02:42 AM

Sure thing! I'll send you an email, Michelle. I appreciate your openness!

4e71477b1b79dfbe3aa9d6fcbc6aa859

on February 26, 2012
at 01:16 AM

Dragonfly, would you be interested in getting in touch with me to work on getting that panel put together for next year? I think that would be so important. I'm sure with the people on the babies/children panel this year, they will touch on pregnancy but not nearly enough. Thank you so much!

4e71477b1b79dfbe3aa9d6fcbc6aa859

on February 26, 2012
at 01:14 AM

Dragonfly, thank you so much for that input. Even as a woman, I didn't think about. We should have had Sarah, Amy, Diane and or Melissa Hartwig on the banner, of course, Robb, Chris, Mark & Jack are the men that said yes to us first & helped us get this off the ground so we went with them to get going. But for next year I will definitely keep this in mind. I worked really hard on putting together the Masterminds panel that I feel certain you will be really interested in for babies & children. I definitely will work on a panel for pregnant women next year and would love to work with you on it.

4e71477b1b79dfbe3aa9d6fcbc6aa859

on February 26, 2012
at 01:07 AM

@Shari, have you had a chance to look at our line-up of speakers recently? With the help of our amazing volunteers, we've been able to get all of them on to our website. We don't agree with all of our speakers, the same goes for AHS (my husband was a speaker last year & will be this year) but again I state the way of progress is through dissension, respectful debate, dialogue & discussion, if we all agreed, what would be the point? Singing to the choir does no one any good. We have to hash out all these theories to get to the relevant "good stuff." We have a helluva a line-up of speakers.

4e71477b1b79dfbe3aa9d6fcbc6aa859

on February 26, 2012
at 12:56 AM

All of the submissions were evaluated thoroughly and all of them were very compelling. It was difficult to make decisions, because not everyone that submitted for a presentation could be given time simply because there was not enough time to do so. However, everyone that submitted "BEFORE" the deadline was given an opportunity to participate on our Masterminds panel discussions on their given topic, if they were inclined to. I doubt that we will be able to do this again next year but this first year, this is how we chose to do things.

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on February 26, 2012
at 12:46 AM

Clearly I am not talking about a committee for a conference. I'm talking about the self-appointed people in the community who are trying to control the branding and image. As far as I know you have not appointed yourself but others posture themselves as protecting paleo as it becomes more mainsteam. I think that's silly.

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on February 25, 2012
at 10:31 PM

Michelle, I was wondering what happened to Dr. Terry Wahls. Thanks for clarifying.

F5f742cc9228eb5804114d0f3be4e587

(7660)

on February 25, 2012
at 09:18 PM

+1, awesome answer.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on February 25, 2012
at 09:12 PM

Not paternal guiding, just picking the best people to represent paleo. I kind of don't know how it's even possible for there to be a conference with no paternal guiding- every one has a committee that makes these decisions.

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on February 25, 2012
at 08:34 PM

@ Shari. I don't want to speak for her but I think she said it well up above "As one of the Austin Paleo FX partners, we aren't looking to exclude anyone as a speaker because of their personal beliefs, we believe the way of progress is through dissension, discussion, dialogue and people choosing for themselves...there is no ONE RIGHT WAY. "

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on February 25, 2012
at 08:20 PM

@ Eclectic. Yay for "dissension, discussion, dialogue!"

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on February 25, 2012
at 08:19 PM

@Melissa. I did not know you were rejected. I love your commentary and it has been very valuable to me personally. However, I still think these conferences, forums and debates are a good thing. Everybody else is listening to Dr. OZ, infomericals and govt. sponsored dietary guidelines. The more opportunity we have to get the word out the less fat, sick kids we'll have in the coming generation (hopefully including mine.) It will take a life of it's own and that is what I prefer. I don't want any paternal guiding is my point.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on February 25, 2012
at 08:13 PM

so you allowed everyone who applied to speak, to speak? for the record, I am not judging PaleoFX, it's AHS that made me mad.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on February 25, 2012
at 07:49 PM

Also, I notice that the banner on your homepage is still the same. On my laptop all I see is a bunch of men. Not a great visual if you want to attract some of *my* clientele. Hopefully my feedback will be useful for future events, if not this one. Smiles!

4e71477b1b79dfbe3aa9d6fcbc6aa859

on February 25, 2012
at 07:42 PM

For us to leave someone out because we don't agree with their message is making a choice for the entire tribe & is not what our partnership is about. We wanted to provide a platform for all the speakers to provide their information about how to implement this lifestyle in daily life and it is up to each of you to decide which one is relevant and applicable to you, personally. We can't make those choices for you. If there's a speaker that you don't like, then don't listen to them speak, no one is forcing you to listen. We believe in allowing you to make your own choice & giving you all options

4e71477b1b79dfbe3aa9d6fcbc6aa859

on February 25, 2012
at 07:38 PM

As one of the Austin Paleo FX partners, we aren't looking to exclude anyone as a speaker because of their personal beliefs, we believe the way of progress is through dissension, discussion, dialogue and people choosing for themselves...there is no ONE RIGHT WAY. Everything is relevant until it is wholly left behind by the tribe, by a means of everyone moving past it. I don't think it is for us to decide someone doesn't have the right message so they can't speak. We don't agree with everyone speaking, it's impossible but each of us must choose for ourselves. We just gave each voice a platform.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on February 25, 2012
at 07:34 PM

...about Primal/Paleo eating/lifestyle. Conferences will need to be family-friendly and perhaps more affordable if you want to reach this particular (powerful) population.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on February 25, 2012
at 07:33 PM

...about Primal/Paloe eating. Conferences will need to be family-friendly and perhaps more affordable if you want to reach this particular (powerful) population.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on February 25, 2012
at 07:32 PM

Thanks, Michelle! I will definitely think about it. I appreciate your response! I work with pregnant moms and think it is essential to have speakers that appeal to the women who are going to have a HUGE impact on what their babies (our next generation) are eating. I am really working on connecting with more mommy bloggers to get the word out.

4e71477b1b79dfbe3aa9d6fcbc6aa859

on February 25, 2012
at 07:29 PM

Yes, I think that the debit column has been missed for sure. Until you attend this event and see it for yourself, you won't really know and understand what has gone into the 60 hour weeks for all of those spending their time to make this happen. We have 50+ volunteers working very hard now and on game day will have 75+ volunteers on the floor. All we ask is...Judge not, what you do not know. Michelle

4e71477b1b79dfbe3aa9d6fcbc6aa859

on February 25, 2012
at 07:21 PM

Dragonfly, I'm Michelle Norris one of the Austin Paleo FX partners. I hope you've had a chance to look at our line-up recently. When we first put our website up, it was just the 4 partners working on the event so we didn't have the bandwidth to put up all the speakers we had. Being a woman, myself, I think we are well represented and I hope you look at it now & see for yourself. Dr. Terry Wahls was planning to speak but had to withdrawal for personal reasons so I think we were reaching for great female coverage. I hope you will reconsider attending.

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(24286)

on February 25, 2012
at 07:07 PM

Oh Michelle my cheap and easy remark wasn't referring to the venue at all so sorry if it seemed like it. Look I have no doubt some very passionate paleo people are behind this venture and truly I wish you well. My opinion is, thought that given some of the speakers you are promoting YOUR version of paleo is not a very good one. Again just my opinion. I think you abdicated your responsibilities of leadership with a few of your choices. That's all. Nevertheless I wish everyone involved success.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on February 25, 2012
at 06:49 PM

Um, they clearly have standards, as I and many others were rejected. Might as well have good ones. Even Paul Jaminent, who is as mild-mannered as you can possibly get, says they chose circus over substance for AHS. Either way, I'm using my academic grant to go to the Anthropology academic conf, not AHS.

4e71477b1b79dfbe3aa9d6fcbc6aa859

on February 25, 2012
at 06:42 PM

And this isn't some huge money-making venture, either since we are paying for many of the speaker's traveling & lodging expenses, as well. We are doing everything high class, top-notch because we want everyone to have an incredible experience and feel the Texas Hospitality. We are all incredibly passionate about the movement and want to see it continue to progress and this is where we felt the disconnect to be, between Theory to Practice and this is how Paleo f(x) Ancestral Momentum - Theory to Practice Symposium was born. I hope that helps shed some light on it for you. Thanks!

4e71477b1b79dfbe3aa9d6fcbc6aa859

on February 25, 2012
at 06:39 PM

Hello, Shari. I'm Michelle Norris, one of the Paleo FX Partners, I've read all the comments & I'm sorry you feel the way you do about Paleo FX. I'm confused about your last comment "Maybe suggest the organizers read that and not be so cheap and easy next year. IMO of course." Not really sure what you mean by that. I think people have a very skewed sense about this symposium. AHS is in a free venue, we are not. We are in a very nice venue & paying for it. We're paying for all attendees' lunch both days of the event by Caveman Cuisine, it's not cheap, processed food. We're not cheap at all.

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on February 25, 2012
at 06:15 PM

@ Matthew. That's probably true. lol

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(19245)

on February 25, 2012
at 06:14 PM

I'm sure that won't put people off going. Controversy tends to increase demand.

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on February 25, 2012
at 06:07 PM

@ Matthew. But that really does not justify de-legitimizing an entire conference.

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(19245)

on February 25, 2012
at 06:04 PM

BaconHealsChic, there is no ultimate knowledge. The best everyone can do is stick with what is real, there is always plenty to argue about. However if it becomes acceptable to make stuff up and just spread nonsense around everyone loses out.

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on February 25, 2012
at 05:59 PM

Listen. I never liked this idea of "stewarding" the paleo movement as it evolves. This stewardship has turned into an excuse to outlaw individuals and their ideas. I don't happen to agree with those people either. I just don't really think anybody should label themselves the keepers of the ultimate knowledge. It does not sit well with me and I think it is not worthwhile to anything.

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on February 25, 2012
at 05:52 PM

@Melissa, I *think* I agree with you, but I've never been to a food sci conference or an ARA conference or fancy food show. So....I'd just have to imagine the difference.

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on February 25, 2012
at 05:52 PM

@ Jocelyn. Yes. I agree with you. I think the conference is a good thing.

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on February 25, 2012
at 05:50 PM

@ Melissa. Yes. I completely agree with that. I disagree that the movement has been degraded by inviting certain people to conferences to be speakers. I don't think the movement has been degraded.

D87073ff07bbf4fb35d64ec9ea51b8e2

(100)

on February 25, 2012
at 05:50 PM

I attended one of the volunteer recruiting events and my interpretation of what they intend the conference to be is more on the practice end of things and not so much on theory. I don't think that's a bad thing at all. Yes, implementation of the theories.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on February 25, 2012
at 05:41 PM

BHC, it's like the difference between a food sci conference and the American Restaurant Association conference or a fancy food show.

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on February 25, 2012
at 05:36 PM

@ Jocelyn. Yes. It's theory to practice--that does not necessarily mean it is less academic. The theories are the same. ????

D87073ff07bbf4fb35d64ec9ea51b8e2

(100)

on February 25, 2012
at 05:33 PM

Actually, the PaleoFX promoters have openly said that this is a more practical implementation of paleo and the AHS events are more academic. They're going to do some cooking workshops and much more opportunity to workout in the sunshine.

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on February 25, 2012
at 05:32 PM

@ Melissa and just to clarify...you make a large assumption this was directed at you specifically. My frustration with it originated months ago and it had nothing to do with you at that time.

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on February 25, 2012
at 05:27 PM

Thanks. I will read.

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on February 25, 2012
at 05:26 PM

@ Melissa. I understand why you deleted my question and I respect it. I think you're conflating my argument that we don't need to be protected from a select group of gatekeepers with an opinion about academic conference standards. That being said...IMHO there is no reason to label PFX as the less academic-oriented then AHS--especially before it has even taken place.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on February 25, 2012
at 05:11 PM

um, that's not a paleohack, which is why your question was deleted. And it's not really on topic here. Maybe you should start a blog or a google plus or something. But I'll bite since you are clearly targeting me. IHMO PaleoFX is the less academic-oriented cousin of AHS and is exactly where the more peripheral pop-culture less-strictly science stuff should be. AHS wants to be an academic conference. Are you saying academic conferences shouldn't have standards?

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on February 25, 2012
at 04:40 PM

Yes, Emily Deans is going. I'm going to be in Sweden, so I am not going, which is too bad since I always wanted to visit Austin and March is a good time to go.

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on February 25, 2012
at 04:04 PM

@ Jocelyn http://huntgatherlove.com/content/what-bleep-do-we-know-about-carbs

D87073ff07bbf4fb35d64ec9ea51b8e2

(100)

on February 25, 2012
at 03:27 PM

Hello Shari Bambino, where is this post by Melissa HGL? Do you have a link by any chance? I'd love to read it. Thanks!

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on February 25, 2012
at 01:41 PM

I think it is a fantastic opportunity for us to grow as a community. That's why I volunteered as well.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on February 25, 2012
at 01:26 PM

Thanks, T. Lex! Appreciate your responsiveness!

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on February 25, 2012
at 06:48 AM

Hey Meeps -- nope, not a member of the meetup group, just a local who's planning on attending

F5f742cc9228eb5804114d0f3be4e587

(7660)

on February 25, 2012
at 06:14 AM

Agree on all points. Especially the for-profit portion. What do people want for nothing? Stay home for free and be a hater on your computer all by yourself while the rest of us have an awesome time. Or better yet, start your own damn Paleo conference.

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on February 25, 2012
at 05:55 AM

LOL! Melissa HGL had an interesting blog post on this very subject this week. Maybe suggest the organizers read that and not be so cheap and easy next year. IMO of course.

F9c172df4c32f7efb16ed586d142bdad

on February 25, 2012
at 05:30 AM

Thanks for the comment, Shari. Would you mind recommending some non-lame speakers so that I can recommend them to the organizers for next year?

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on February 25, 2012
at 05:16 AM

(continued from above) I understand your point completely, btw; it would be completely wrong to give the utterly kick-ass paleo women luminaries a back seat to the men. But if you look at the current line-up, I don't think that's happened. I feel bad if one of the banners gave that impression. So, I urge you reconsider attending. I'll also bring up Melissa McEwan, et al with the organizers as possible speakers for next year. (And please suggest other women speakers as well, if there are others you'd like to see!) Thanks for the comments, and be well.

F9c172df4c32f7efb16ed586d142bdad

on February 25, 2012
at 05:14 AM

Hi Dragonfly, I'm one of the PaleoFX volunteers. Reading your response made me super-bummed. The current banner on our facebook page and other social media features Sarah Fragoso, and she's a headliner. Melissa Hartwig, Nora Gedgaudas, and Krista Scott Dixon are also headliners. And kick-ass ones at that. And there are tons of awesome women on the mastermind panels: Diane Sanfilippo, Dr. Amy Myers, Amy Kubal, Diana Rodgers, Dr. Emily Deans, and more, more, more. (Keep in mind there are more mastermind panelists of any gender than main speakers of any gender.)

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on February 25, 2012
at 04:38 AM

If you're excited about it then I'm happy for you. I just expressed my opinion that IN MY OPINION it's completely lame. I don't understand why anyone would want to go but thankfully I'm not in charge of figuring that out. IMO it's cut-rate and half-assed which is why I am not going. Not sure what else to say. I hope everyone who attends get something out of it and has a great time.

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on February 25, 2012
at 04:11 AM

Likewise - I'm volunteering some of my time because I want to see this happen. I'm semi new to the paleo world and it has changed my life. I want to help bring this positive change to other Americans too. It doesn't seem to be a money making operation with such cheap ticket prices. If you think this is expensive, you don't know anything about conferences. In my line (tech), a one-day conference can easily be $1,000-1,500. PaleoFX is multiple days. I am truly excited about PaleoFX and how it will impact health and fitness in our country and I'm inviting all of my friends and family.

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on February 25, 2012
at 03:48 AM

I'm a volunteer for PFX and see the organizers every week, and I can tell you for a fact that it's not a money-making venture. Or if it is, they're not very good at it :) Between the venue (north end of the UT stadium), professional A/V crew, free paleo lunches for all attendees, hotel arrangements ($$$ since it's SXSW), and transportation, the costs are well over $100,000 for just the big stuff, not counting all the other stuff required to pull of a convention. You can do the math for ~100,000 = $250*x to see that x = labor of love. Austin's a good place :)

F5f742cc9228eb5804114d0f3be4e587

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on February 17, 2012
at 10:04 PM

Who is the wise-ass downvoter around here? Seriously folks. If you're gonna downvote, have the wherewithal to leave a comment about it.

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on February 17, 2012
at 06:39 PM

I'll be there!!!

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on February 17, 2012
at 02:42 PM

I think it sounds like a good premise as well, but it also seems over priced. I could afford and justify may $50 or even $75 but not $250. I'm bummed to miss out.

C79a5b43dfc5749200bd9dcaa6bb0858

on February 17, 2012
at 02:37 PM

malapert - Are you one of the local Primal group? You guys doing anything special in conjunction with the conference? I can't afford the sticker price but would like to still be involved if I can.

C79a5b43dfc5749200bd9dcaa6bb0858

on February 17, 2012
at 02:35 PM

+1 for stating something obvious and not being afraid to voice your opinion. Once you pointed it out, I too thought it peculiar. I'm sure it's just a coincidence but that doesn't make it less true.

0607529af9b78bb5b178f7ffabdc4693

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on February 17, 2012
at 04:11 AM

Aw c'mon y'all... come to Austin! SXSW going on too! But seriously, I'm glad the question got asked... haven't seen much discussion about it here and wondered what the general consensus was. I suppose that there may be political/social currents that flow above my participation grade, but it's interesting that there's a negative perception/perception of competition. Was looking forward to people comin' to visit.

F5f742cc9228eb5804114d0f3be4e587

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on February 17, 2012
at 04:08 AM

Really? I was thrilled about its premise that it's about putting all this theoretical knowledge to use in a practical sense. And they're not competing with AHS, they're affiliated. I just signed up for a two-hour MovNat workshop too. I'm stoked.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on February 17, 2012
at 03:14 AM

Why the downvote? Inquiring minds want to know!

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D5ef6397b5e2fd6fe5f093da5e3d403b

(742)

on February 25, 2012
at 05:41 PM

I volunteered at the AHS and I am also volunteering at PFX. What I have seen from the PFX staff so far has blown me away in terms of organizing, delegating and creating a chain of command. These people know what they are doing and this event is going to be amazing. If anyone stays away because they don't like a particular speaker (review the AHS lineup before you judge, cough cough, Don Matez, cough cough) they will be missing out. PFX was designed to be a sister/companion to the AHS. For those of you not there, the AHS was all lectures. I learned one hell of a lot, but a lot of it wasn't applicable to me. When I wasn't interviewing the speakers, I was sitting down, watching presentations. At PFX, people will be shown various ways to actually LIVE a Paleo lifestyle by people who do it every day, plus they'll have cooking demos and actual meals served. I wish that more people could attend, if only to see vibrant examples of our community. We are too new and too small to be dividing ranks already.

F5f742cc9228eb5804114d0f3be4e587

(7660)

on February 25, 2012
at 09:18 PM

+1, awesome answer.

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F9c172df4c32f7efb16ed586d142bdad

on February 25, 2012
at 05:46 AM

Three quick points about "AHS vs PFX":

(1) The Ancestral Health Society is a sponsor--and unofficial sister organization in a sense--of PaleoFX. AHS focuses on rigorous discussion at an often academic level; PFX focuses on marrying theory to practice. These organizations can co-exist and both make a contribution. Why wouldn't you want both to exist?

(2) The ancestral health community has more than enough people to pack both conferences and then some. The number of people that browse Mark's Daily Apple in a given hour would pack both conferences. There's a huge demand for these conferences, and unless you want to see an AHS conference in a stadium, the growth of additional conferences is only natural--it reflects a healthy and positive growth in the paleo movement.

(3) There's nothing wrong with for-profit! Mark Sisson, Rob Wolf, Sarah Fragoso, etc. make profit by selling their books or supplements or coaching services. So long as the end-product adds value to their customer's lives, why not yay for them?

Of course, I'm a PFX volunteer who makes no money, so I should perhaps be dismissed as a crass and biased opportunist who's only in it for the money.

F5f742cc9228eb5804114d0f3be4e587

(7660)

on February 25, 2012
at 06:14 AM

Agree on all points. Especially the for-profit portion. What do people want for nothing? Stay home for free and be a hater on your computer all by yourself while the rest of us have an awesome time. Or better yet, start your own damn Paleo conference.

4e71477b1b79dfbe3aa9d6fcbc6aa859

on February 26, 2012
at 12:54 PM

Lex, your assessment of the situation between AHS & PFX is right on. We are sister organizations, we have officially backed each other. We believe they are the academic science-laden theory based side of Ancestral Health while PFX Ancestral Momentum is the Application, Practice, "where the rubber meets the road side" of Ancestral Health. We are Yen & Yang. We believe both sides are needed for our movement to progress & push forward & become more mainstream. To attempt to pit us against each other as competing forces is ridiculous, we are anything but. We are in fact, complimentary.

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7902478a959b4befc97985146152e29e

on February 25, 2012
at 05:36 AM

It's sad to see a few community members bickering over whether PFX is a good idea or not, and whether it is too costly or not worth the price. I am excited to have such a great opportunity to work with, meet, and have fun with others in this movement. It's a great opportunity to learn from each other and help those interested really get a feel for the great things this lifestyle can bring to each individual. I volunteered because I believe it makes a difference. While it may seem a high price, I still had to be a part of it! There is certainly nothing wrong with having more than one annual Paleo event. We should have many. It brings more opportunity for learning, living well, and meeting others! I hope some of you here will reconsider. I think community is so important. It grows the message and everyone's health. I'll be there. Austin is a fantastic place, and I'm ready to learn and have some fun with like-minded people!

8cd3a64586dc36b46e7fc630907dfb73

(20)

on February 25, 2012
at 01:41 PM

I think it is a fantastic opportunity for us to grow as a community. That's why I volunteered as well.

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5a30a21286d25fa75b35990bc0293e79

on February 25, 2012
at 07:16 PM

Yes, like it or not we do live in a Capitalist society, and there is a HUGE difference between an organization's operating as a not-for-profit vs a for-profit. Being a for-profit sounds sexy, of course -- until one considers the substantial downside. Venues the size we needed for such an event are not cheap by any means, nor is feeding every attendee, volunteer and speaker. Top-notch A/V production costs are immense for an event this magnitude and ambitious schedule. Let's not even begin to discuss the intangibles -- hotel costs, transportation...the list goes on and on. The fact of the matter is that if the majority of speakers were not paying their own way, this event would never get off the ground in the first place. So yes, there is a lot of money flying around, and anyone doing some elementary, barstool, back-of-the-napkin math can calculate approximately 500 tickets sold at roughly $200/pop, and add to that sold vendor space and conclude that the organizers of PFX12 are pulling-off the scam of the century. Right. What the nay-sayers conveniently fail to address, though, are all of those aforementioned expenses. It comes down to simple accounting; credits AND debits.

But hey, for all those who choose to boycott this awesome event because there's an outside possibility that someone might actually make a dime, I have no hate for you. All I ask is that you make that decision fully informed, and that those back-of-the-napkin calculations also include a debit column as well.

Keith

4e71477b1b79dfbe3aa9d6fcbc6aa859

on February 25, 2012
at 07:29 PM

Yes, I think that the debit column has been missed for sure. Until you attend this event and see it for yourself, you won't really know and understand what has gone into the 60 hour weeks for all of those spending their time to make this happen. We have 50+ volunteers working very hard now and on game day will have 75+ volunteers on the floor. All we ask is...Judge not, what you do not know. Michelle

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on February 25, 2012
at 01:25 PM

I'm personally very excited about this conference. There are so many great speakers in attendance, and not to mention many people that I greatly respect who are participating in panel discussions. Not everyone is the typical 'Paleo' headliner either. Here are two examples of people who will be in attendance who are not as well known but have contributed a lot of great things to the real food movement:

Paul Jaminet - Has taken a ton of flack for his safe starches recommendation, but has contributed a huge deal of information to the 'ideal diet' recommendation. I'm glad that there are scientists like him to argue in favor of carbohydrates, because sometimes I think people are so quick to eliminate them that they don't realize the repercussions that can cause. (I personally had this experience so I'm thankful for Paul's work!)

Judith McGeary - I actually didn't know until just recently that Judith would be attending this event. She's a lawyer that works with groups like the Farm to Consumer Legal Defense Fund, and is fighting to protect our access to real food, and to protect the farmers who provide this food for us. She's a brilliant speaker (I've seen her at the WAPF conferences), extremely passionate about her work, and very motivational. I'm so happy she'll be there, since I think she's amazing!

These two attendees are not stereotypical Paleo figureheads, but I think they contribute a lot to the conversation about where Paleo is going. Paul is focusing on providing information about what constitutes an ideal diet, and Judith is drawing our attention to the bigger problems of food access and farmer's rights.

So yes, seeing Robb Wolf and Mark Sisson and a bunch of other guys as headliners might give you an immediate sense of the general theme of this conference, but I think it's a bit short sighted to not really take an in-depth look at all the different creative minds that are being brought together for this event.

I had so much fun at the Weston Price conference and got to meet a bunch of awesome, brilliant, real-food scientists, practitioners, and philosophers, and I can only imagine that PaleoFX is going to be just as great an experience.

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F5f742cc9228eb5804114d0f3be4e587

(7660)

on February 17, 2012
at 03:23 AM

Yup, I'll be there. Looking forward to it.

F5f742cc9228eb5804114d0f3be4e587

(7660)

on February 17, 2012
at 10:04 PM

Who is the wise-ass downvoter around here? Seriously folks. If you're gonna downvote, have the wherewithal to leave a comment about it.

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D87073ff07bbf4fb35d64ec9ea51b8e2

on February 25, 2012
at 02:19 PM

Looks like a great lineup to me. Who else would you need to make it worth the trip?

http://www.paleofx.com/speakers/

PaleoFX12 Speaker Lineup

Robb Wolf

Mark Sisson

Chris Kresser L.Ac

Dr. Jack Kruse MD

Sarah Fragoso

James Fitzgerald

John Welbourn

Sean Croxton

Diane Sanfilippo

Lane Sebring MD

Keith Norris

Melissa & Dallas Hartwig

Dr. Amy Myers

Erwan Le Corre

Dave Asprey

Nora Gedgaudas

Dean Dwyer

Amy Kubal RD

David Lee Nall

Diana Rodgers

Dr. Ron Rosedale

Darryl Edwards

Roger Dickerman

Skyler Tanner

Angelo Coppola

Dr. Emily Deans

Neely Quinn

Eva Twardokens

Shannon L. Ford

Paul Jaminet

CJ Hunt

Jimmy Moore

Dr. Daniel Kalish

Marissa Pellegrino

Melissa Joulwan

Bill Staley & Hayley Mason

Michelle Tam

Dr. Ruthie Harper

Dr. Will Mitchell

Dr. Shilpi Bhadra Mehta

Dr. Grayson Wheatley

Joe Johnson

Julie & Charles Mayfield

Steven Sashen

Kevin Cottrell

Michelle Norris

Ken O'Neill

Liz Wolfe

David Pendergrass

Krista Scott-Dixon

Emily Talley

Judith McGeary

Dan Pardi

Beverly Meyer

Benjamin Palmer

Abel James

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15d83f76aaa6b0e38d662c20c6e097ad

(1012)

on February 25, 2012
at 10:24 PM

The timing in my life right now doesn't allow me to attend, but if I could have I surely would have. Many of my friends are not only organizing it, but volunteering and that is an incredible thing. Anything our community can do to come together and share information and help spread the word of healthy living through Paleo/Primal life is amazing.

To those who think the lineup above is not impressive, you obviously don't get it and should stop talking about what you don't know. I wish I could be there, and I know my friends will keep me updated and post plenty of content on their blogs, and facebook and maybe even here with the Hacks.

Promote change, don't oppose it!! It's gonna happen weather you like it or not!

5
Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on February 16, 2012
at 11:42 PM

Nope. Tempting, since it's only a 12 hour drive, but when I looked at the banner and saw only men I changed my mind.

So many women have influenced me on this journey: Melissa McEwen, Emily Deans, Sally Fallon, Denise Minger, Peggy Emch... It just feels wrong that none of them are "headliners".

(Yes, I know there are women presenting, but that's not my point.)

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on February 17, 2012
at 03:14 AM

Why the downvote? Inquiring minds want to know!

C79a5b43dfc5749200bd9dcaa6bb0858

on February 17, 2012
at 02:35 PM

+1 for stating something obvious and not being afraid to voice your opinion. Once you pointed it out, I too thought it peculiar. I'm sure it's just a coincidence but that doesn't make it less true.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on February 25, 2012
at 01:26 PM

Thanks, T. Lex! Appreciate your responsiveness!

F9c172df4c32f7efb16ed586d142bdad

on February 25, 2012
at 05:16 AM

(continued from above) I understand your point completely, btw; it would be completely wrong to give the utterly kick-ass paleo women luminaries a back seat to the men. But if you look at the current line-up, I don't think that's happened. I feel bad if one of the banners gave that impression. So, I urge you reconsider attending. I'll also bring up Melissa McEwan, et al with the organizers as possible speakers for next year. (And please suggest other women speakers as well, if there are others you'd like to see!) Thanks for the comments, and be well.

D87073ff07bbf4fb35d64ec9ea51b8e2

(100)

on February 25, 2012
at 10:31 PM

Michelle, I was wondering what happened to Dr. Terry Wahls. Thanks for clarifying.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on February 25, 2012
at 04:40 PM

Yes, Emily Deans is going. I'm going to be in Sweden, so I am not going, which is too bad since I always wanted to visit Austin and March is a good time to go.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on February 25, 2012
at 07:49 PM

Also, I notice that the banner on your homepage is still the same. On my laptop all I see is a bunch of men. Not a great visual if you want to attract some of *my* clientele. Hopefully my feedback will be useful for future events, if not this one. Smiles!

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on February 26, 2012
at 02:42 AM

Sure thing! I'll send you an email, Michelle. I appreciate your openness!

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on February 25, 2012
at 07:32 PM

Thanks, Michelle! I will definitely think about it. I appreciate your response! I work with pregnant moms and think it is essential to have speakers that appeal to the women who are going to have a HUGE impact on what their babies (our next generation) are eating. I am really working on connecting with more mommy bloggers to get the word out.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on February 25, 2012
at 07:33 PM

...about Primal/Paloe eating. Conferences will need to be family-friendly and perhaps more affordable if you want to reach this particular (powerful) population.

F9c172df4c32f7efb16ed586d142bdad

on February 25, 2012
at 05:14 AM

Hi Dragonfly, I'm one of the PaleoFX volunteers. Reading your response made me super-bummed. The current banner on our facebook page and other social media features Sarah Fragoso, and she's a headliner. Melissa Hartwig, Nora Gedgaudas, and Krista Scott Dixon are also headliners. And kick-ass ones at that. And there are tons of awesome women on the mastermind panels: Diane Sanfilippo, Dr. Amy Myers, Amy Kubal, Diana Rodgers, Dr. Emily Deans, and more, more, more. (Keep in mind there are more mastermind panelists of any gender than main speakers of any gender.)

4e71477b1b79dfbe3aa9d6fcbc6aa859

on February 26, 2012
at 01:16 AM

Dragonfly, would you be interested in getting in touch with me to work on getting that panel put together for next year? I think that would be so important. I'm sure with the people on the babies/children panel this year, they will touch on pregnancy but not nearly enough. Thank you so much!

4e71477b1b79dfbe3aa9d6fcbc6aa859

on February 26, 2012
at 03:17 AM

@Melissa, I have to say we are disappointed you won't be available for Paleo FX, I do hope you will be next year. I'd love to speak with you sometime soon to discuss your thoughts further especially after reading your post and comments. I have a few things I'd love to talk you about privately. Email me when you have a chance.

Ce41c230e8c2a4295db31aec3ef4b2ab

(32564)

on February 25, 2012
at 07:34 PM

...about Primal/Paleo eating/lifestyle. Conferences will need to be family-friendly and perhaps more affordable if you want to reach this particular (powerful) population.

4e71477b1b79dfbe3aa9d6fcbc6aa859

on February 25, 2012
at 07:21 PM

Dragonfly, I'm Michelle Norris one of the Austin Paleo FX partners. I hope you've had a chance to look at our line-up recently. When we first put our website up, it was just the 4 partners working on the event so we didn't have the bandwidth to put up all the speakers we had. Being a woman, myself, I think we are well represented and I hope you look at it now & see for yourself. Dr. Terry Wahls was planning to speak but had to withdrawal for personal reasons so I think we were reaching for great female coverage. I hope you will reconsider attending.

4e71477b1b79dfbe3aa9d6fcbc6aa859

on February 26, 2012
at 01:14 AM

Dragonfly, thank you so much for that input. Even as a woman, I didn't think about. We should have had Sarah, Amy, Diane and or Melissa Hartwig on the banner, of course, Robb, Chris, Mark & Jack are the men that said yes to us first & helped us get this off the ground so we went with them to get going. But for next year I will definitely keep this in mind. I worked really hard on putting together the Masterminds panel that I feel certain you will be really interested in for babies & children. I definitely will work on a panel for pregnant women next year and would love to work with you on it.

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2644801f427cc7d50cec28d9e50ec19b

on February 25, 2012
at 12:58 PM

I'm thrilled about fx! I'll be there. Both ahs and fx are about spreading good science.

All of us paleo-types are at the forefront of grassroots movement to revolutionize healthcare in our country. More conferences, symposiums, flash mobs, interviews, please, in all cities. Getting this stuff on the ground, out to the public, is strong medicine.

I'm extremely proud of our coordinators for their hard work and dedication in putting this on- it's a huge task given all that Austin has going. I love Austin, and I love our community of sweet, friendly, smart, and (of course) good-looking Paleo-people. Whoop!

3
A1081af52b61372dbb3ed572d88968f4

(425)

on February 25, 2012
at 12:40 PM

Yep. My wife and I are coming together. I'm a bit more into the geeky stuff and would likely enjoy AHS. But Paleo is something my wife and I live together so just super fabulous that for all the great conferences I attend professionally, there's this one that we can do and learn together. I love the strong focus on application that everyone can get into!

...oh, and it's also wonderfully convenient being just 2 hrs from our home. Hope everyone else comes to enjoy some of our Texas hospitality.

0
4e71477b1b79dfbe3aa9d6fcbc6aa859

on February 26, 2012
at 12:55 PM

Lex, your assessment of the situation between AHS & PFX is right on. We are sister organizations, we have officially backed each other. We believe they are the academic science-laden theory based side of Ancestral Health while PFX Ancestral Momentum is the Application, Practice, "where the rubber meets the road side" of Ancestral Health. We are Yen & Yang. We believe both sides are needed for our movement to progress & push forward & become more mainstream. To attempt to pit us against each other as competing forces is ridiculous, we are anything but. We are in fact, complimentary.

0
7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on February 25, 2012
at 04:40 PM

Personally I think this is kind of ridiculous. There is so much effort in the paleohacks community to massage the paleo brand and image--to protect us and the lay community from the quacks and the Kruse.

Has it crossed anybody's mind that we don't need this protection? I can read. I know how to think. I have faith that others do too.

Why do some people not have that faith? Do you really think we've become adults, raised families and adopted philosophies blindly? Do we need others to screen our exposure to branding and image?

Last I checked we live in free society with exchange of ideas and those who are permitted to have an opinion and voice it. Questioning the validity of a person's rationale and science is fine...but boycotting and criticizing a Paleo function because of one person's name on the roster? Vilifying rants on starch or VLC? Give me a break. Look back through history in any genre...people don't always agree--even in science. The discourse is what exposes the truth--not protectionism.

I like the spirited discussion. I love the colorful personalities. The cultish, demagoguery though and elitist type approach to make this into some kind of fraternity is off-putting.

Just state your opinion and share your experience--not protect the paleo image and try and control the message. Please don't try and facilitate my evolution. I'll get there on my own.

D87073ff07bbf4fb35d64ec9ea51b8e2

(100)

on February 25, 2012
at 05:52 PM

@Melissa, I *think* I agree with you, but I've never been to a food sci conference or an ARA conference or fancy food show. So....I'd just have to imagine the difference.

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on February 25, 2012
at 06:15 PM

@ Matthew. That's probably true. lol

4e71477b1b79dfbe3aa9d6fcbc6aa859

on February 26, 2012
at 03:18 AM

@Melissa, I have to say we are disappointed you won't be available for Paleo FX, I do hope you will be next year. I'd love to speak with you sometime soon to discuss your thoughts further especially after reading your post and comments. I have a few things I'd love to talk you about privately. Email me when you have a chance.

D87073ff07bbf4fb35d64ec9ea51b8e2

(100)

on February 25, 2012
at 05:33 PM

Actually, the PaleoFX promoters have openly said that this is a more practical implementation of paleo and the AHS events are more academic. They're going to do some cooking workshops and much more opportunity to workout in the sunshine.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on February 25, 2012
at 06:04 PM

BaconHealsChic, there is no ultimate knowledge. The best everyone can do is stick with what is real, there is always plenty to argue about. However if it becomes acceptable to make stuff up and just spread nonsense around everyone loses out.

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on February 25, 2012
at 05:52 PM

@ Jocelyn. Yes. I agree with you. I think the conference is a good thing.

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on February 25, 2012
at 08:20 PM

@ Eclectic. Yay for "dissension, discussion, dialogue!"

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on February 25, 2012
at 05:11 PM

um, that's not a paleohack, which is why your question was deleted. And it's not really on topic here. Maybe you should start a blog or a google plus or something. But I'll bite since you are clearly targeting me. IHMO PaleoFX is the less academic-oriented cousin of AHS and is exactly where the more peripheral pop-culture less-strictly science stuff should be. AHS wants to be an academic conference. Are you saying academic conferences shouldn't have standards?

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on February 25, 2012
at 05:50 PM

@ Melissa. Yes. I completely agree with that. I disagree that the movement has been degraded by inviting certain people to conferences to be speakers. I don't think the movement has been degraded.

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on February 25, 2012
at 05:26 PM

@ Melissa. I understand why you deleted my question and I respect it. I think you're conflating my argument that we don't need to be protected from a select group of gatekeepers with an opinion about academic conference standards. That being said...IMHO there is no reason to label PFX as the less academic-oriented then AHS--especially before it has even taken place.

4e71477b1b79dfbe3aa9d6fcbc6aa859

on February 25, 2012
at 07:38 PM

As one of the Austin Paleo FX partners, we aren't looking to exclude anyone as a speaker because of their personal beliefs, we believe the way of progress is through dissension, discussion, dialogue and people choosing for themselves...there is no ONE RIGHT WAY. Everything is relevant until it is wholly left behind by the tribe, by a means of everyone moving past it. I don't think it is for us to decide someone doesn't have the right message so they can't speak. We don't agree with everyone speaking, it's impossible but each of us must choose for ourselves. We just gave each voice a platform.

4e71477b1b79dfbe3aa9d6fcbc6aa859

on February 26, 2012
at 12:56 AM

All of the submissions were evaluated thoroughly and all of them were very compelling. It was difficult to make decisions, because not everyone that submitted for a presentation could be given time simply because there was not enough time to do so. However, everyone that submitted "BEFORE" the deadline was given an opportunity to participate on our Masterminds panel discussions on their given topic, if they were inclined to. I doubt that we will be able to do this again next year but this first year, this is how we chose to do things.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on February 25, 2012
at 05:41 PM

BHC, it's like the difference between a food sci conference and the American Restaurant Association conference or a fancy food show.

D87073ff07bbf4fb35d64ec9ea51b8e2

(100)

on February 25, 2012
at 05:50 PM

I attended one of the volunteer recruiting events and my interpretation of what they intend the conference to be is more on the practice end of things and not so much on theory. I don't think that's a bad thing at all. Yes, implementation of the theories.

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on February 25, 2012
at 06:07 PM

@ Matthew. But that really does not justify de-legitimizing an entire conference.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on February 25, 2012
at 08:13 PM

so you allowed everyone who applied to speak, to speak? for the record, I am not judging PaleoFX, it's AHS that made me mad.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on February 25, 2012
at 06:14 PM

I'm sure that won't put people off going. Controversy tends to increase demand.

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on February 25, 2012
at 05:32 PM

@ Melissa and just to clarify...you make a large assumption this was directed at you specifically. My frustration with it originated months ago and it had nothing to do with you at that time.

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on February 25, 2012
at 05:59 PM

Listen. I never liked this idea of "stewarding" the paleo movement as it evolves. This stewardship has turned into an excuse to outlaw individuals and their ideas. I don't happen to agree with those people either. I just don't really think anybody should label themselves the keepers of the ultimate knowledge. It does not sit well with me and I think it is not worthwhile to anything.

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on February 25, 2012
at 08:19 PM

@Melissa. I did not know you were rejected. I love your commentary and it has been very valuable to me personally. However, I still think these conferences, forums and debates are a good thing. Everybody else is listening to Dr. OZ, infomericals and govt. sponsored dietary guidelines. The more opportunity we have to get the word out the less fat, sick kids we'll have in the coming generation (hopefully including mine.) It will take a life of it's own and that is what I prefer. I don't want any paternal guiding is my point.

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on February 26, 2012
at 12:46 AM

Clearly I am not talking about a committee for a conference. I'm talking about the self-appointed people in the community who are trying to control the branding and image. As far as I know you have not appointed yourself but others posture themselves as protecting paleo as it becomes more mainsteam. I think that's silly.

7c9f81d68c78de1a31eab9c91c17b4b8

on February 25, 2012
at 05:36 PM

@ Jocelyn. Yes. It's theory to practice--that does not necessarily mean it is less academic. The theories are the same. ????

4e71477b1b79dfbe3aa9d6fcbc6aa859

on February 25, 2012
at 07:42 PM

For us to leave someone out because we don't agree with their message is making a choice for the entire tribe & is not what our partnership is about. We wanted to provide a platform for all the speakers to provide their information about how to implement this lifestyle in daily life and it is up to each of you to decide which one is relevant and applicable to you, personally. We can't make those choices for you. If there's a speaker that you don't like, then don't listen to them speak, no one is forcing you to listen. We believe in allowing you to make your own choice & giving you all options

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on February 25, 2012
at 06:49 PM

Um, they clearly have standards, as I and many others were rejected. Might as well have good ones. Even Paul Jaminent, who is as mild-mannered as you can possibly get, says they chose circus over substance for AHS. Either way, I'm using my academic grant to go to the Anthropology academic conf, not AHS.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on February 25, 2012
at 09:12 PM

Not paternal guiding, just picking the best people to represent paleo. I kind of don't know how it's even possible for there to be a conference with no paternal guiding- every one has a committee that makes these decisions.

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98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

on February 17, 2012
at 03:31 AM

No thanks. I'm sticking with AHS. When I first heard of PaleoFx and the line-up I wasn't impressed. Hopefully they've added to it by now? Honestly it seems like a money making venture to me and perhaps not in the best interest of the community (at this point anyway) I'm not sure we are ready to be competing with ourselves just yet.

C79a5b43dfc5749200bd9dcaa6bb0858

on February 17, 2012
at 02:42 PM

I think it sounds like a good premise as well, but it also seems over priced. I could afford and justify may $50 or even $75 but not $250. I'm bummed to miss out.

F5f742cc9228eb5804114d0f3be4e587

(7660)

on February 17, 2012
at 04:08 AM

Really? I was thrilled about its premise that it's about putting all this theoretical knowledge to use in a practical sense. And they're not competing with AHS, they're affiliated. I just signed up for a two-hour MovNat workshop too. I'm stoked.

D87073ff07bbf4fb35d64ec9ea51b8e2

(100)

on February 25, 2012
at 05:27 PM

Thanks. I will read.

B57f7ce9fa211baf8d3b4203c6e0d1e8

on February 25, 2012
at 03:48 AM

I'm a volunteer for PFX and see the organizers every week, and I can tell you for a fact that it's not a money-making venture. Or if it is, they're not very good at it :) Between the venue (north end of the UT stadium), professional A/V crew, free paleo lunches for all attendees, hotel arrangements ($$$ since it's SXSW), and transportation, the costs are well over $100,000 for just the big stuff, not counting all the other stuff required to pull of a convention. You can do the math for ~100,000 = $250*x to see that x = labor of love. Austin's a good place :)

98bf2ca7f8778c79cd3f6c962011cfdc

(24286)

on February 25, 2012
at 07:07 PM

Oh Michelle my cheap and easy remark wasn't referring to the venue at all so sorry if it seemed like it. Look I have no doubt some very passionate paleo people are behind this venture and truly I wish you well. My opinion is, thought that given some of the speakers you are promoting YOUR version of paleo is not a very good one. Again just my opinion. I think you abdicated your responsibilities of leadership with a few of your choices. That's all. Nevertheless I wish everyone involved success.

4e71477b1b79dfbe3aa9d6fcbc6aa859

on February 25, 2012
at 06:39 PM

Hello, Shari. I'm Michelle Norris, one of the Paleo FX Partners, I've read all the comments & I'm sorry you feel the way you do about Paleo FX. I'm confused about your last comment "Maybe suggest the organizers read that and not be so cheap and easy next year. IMO of course." Not really sure what you mean by that. I think people have a very skewed sense about this symposium. AHS is in a free venue, we are not. We are in a very nice venue & paying for it. We're paying for all attendees' lunch both days of the event by Caveman Cuisine, it's not cheap, processed food. We're not cheap at all.

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on February 25, 2012
at 05:30 AM

Thanks for the comment, Shari. Would you mind recommending some non-lame speakers so that I can recommend them to the organizers for next year?

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on February 25, 2012
at 03:27 PM

Hello Shari Bambino, where is this post by Melissa HGL? Do you have a link by any chance? I'd love to read it. Thanks!

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on February 25, 2012
at 04:38 AM

If you're excited about it then I'm happy for you. I just expressed my opinion that IN MY OPINION it's completely lame. I don't understand why anyone would want to go but thankfully I'm not in charge of figuring that out. IMO it's cut-rate and half-assed which is why I am not going. Not sure what else to say. I hope everyone who attends get something out of it and has a great time.

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on February 25, 2012
at 04:04 PM

@ Jocelyn http://huntgatherlove.com/content/what-bleep-do-we-know-about-carbs

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on February 25, 2012
at 05:55 AM

LOL! Melissa HGL had an interesting blog post on this very subject this week. Maybe suggest the organizers read that and not be so cheap and easy next year. IMO of course.

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on February 25, 2012
at 04:11 AM

Likewise - I'm volunteering some of my time because I want to see this happen. I'm semi new to the paleo world and it has changed my life. I want to help bring this positive change to other Americans too. It doesn't seem to be a money making operation with such cheap ticket prices. If you think this is expensive, you don't know anything about conferences. In my line (tech), a one-day conference can easily be $1,000-1,500. PaleoFX is multiple days. I am truly excited about PaleoFX and how it will impact health and fitness in our country and I'm inviting all of my friends and family.

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on February 25, 2012
at 06:42 PM

And this isn't some huge money-making venture, either since we are paying for many of the speaker's traveling & lodging expenses, as well. We are doing everything high class, top-notch because we want everyone to have an incredible experience and feel the Texas Hospitality. We are all incredibly passionate about the movement and want to see it continue to progress and this is where we felt the disconnect to be, between Theory to Practice and this is how Paleo f(x) Ancestral Momentum - Theory to Practice Symposium was born. I hope that helps shed some light on it for you. Thanks!

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on February 25, 2012
at 08:34 PM

@ Shari. I don't want to speak for her but I think she said it well up above "As one of the Austin Paleo FX partners, we aren't looking to exclude anyone as a speaker because of their personal beliefs, we believe the way of progress is through dissension, discussion, dialogue and people choosing for themselves...there is no ONE RIGHT WAY. "

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on February 26, 2012
at 01:07 AM

@Shari, have you had a chance to look at our line-up of speakers recently? With the help of our amazing volunteers, we've been able to get all of them on to our website. We don't agree with all of our speakers, the same goes for AHS (my husband was a speaker last year & will be this year) but again I state the way of progress is through dissension, respectful debate, dialogue & discussion, if we all agreed, what would be the point? Singing to the choir does no one any good. We have to hash out all these theories to get to the relevant "good stuff." We have a helluva a line-up of speakers.

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on February 26, 2012
at 02:55 AM

@Shari, when reading all the comments, I actually missed one of your comments, "IN MY OPINION it's completely lame. I don't understand why anyone would want to go...IMO it's cut-rate and half-assed which is why I am not going." Can you explain to me what you think is lame, cut-rate and half-assed? Maybe I can help with your perception because like I said, we are doing everything high class, first rate & top notch. We've not skimped on anything. So I'd really like an opportunity to respond to actual facts you believe you have about our event. Thank you so much for your input. Michelle Norris

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on February 26, 2012
at 03:13 AM

@Melissa, I have to say we are disappointed you won't be available for Paleo FX, I do hope you will be next year. I'd love to speak with you sometime soon to discuss your thoughts further especially after reading your post and comments. I have a few things I'd love to talk you about privately. Email me when you have a chance.

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