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Are paleo people obsessive nut jobs? (Did cavemen cool broth in ice bath in sink? )

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created February 11, 2013 at 5:19 PM

My co-worked called me an obsessive paleo nut-job because I mentioned I put my pot of scolding hot bone broth outside on the balcony (35 degrees) to cool it off, so I didn't heat up the fridge. Even after 2 hours outside, it was still really hot. I kept the lid on (which I'm sure kept the heat in, but I didn't want random pigeon nasties floating and landing in an uncovered put of broth).

He told me he just let's it just cool off on the stove (lid off) for a couple hours, then into the fridge (even if still warm), and he's never been sickened by the increased temperature inside the fridge.

He said I'm over-thinking things.

Thoughts?

  1. Are my paleo peeps a bunch of obsessive over-thinkers like me, and

  2. Can I let the broth cool down naturally, without going through the hassle of filling the sink with ice, or cooling outside (which I could only do in winter anyway)?

Thanks, Mike

Ef9f83cb4e1826261a44c173f733789e

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on February 13, 2013
at 12:38 PM

I keep the stock pot lid on. It's not really sealed though because it has a tiny hole for a vent.

4debe57f81d507bcb844f10b2ef38a83

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on February 12, 2013
at 05:24 AM

And then cracking the bones for the marrow... :)

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on February 12, 2013
at 03:29 AM

Probably could set it in large bowl an drip water into the bowl, that's how I thaw frozen meats typically.

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on February 12, 2013
at 01:29 AM

The trick is probably to figure out a way to keep adding water to the sink to keep the temp gradient in the desired direction.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

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on February 11, 2013
at 09:28 PM

And this is why I come to PH. Thanks!

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

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on February 11, 2013
at 08:39 PM

Do you keep the lid sealed tight to keep it sterile as mentioned above?

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4debe57f81d507bcb844f10b2ef38a83

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on February 11, 2013
at 05:38 PM

Fast cooling is a standard safe food-handling procedure. According to health departments across the country, this is perfectly sensible--in fact, they require foods to be brought to a cool temperature quickly, without giving them much time in the danger range where bacteria can grow. They recommend cooling in a shallow container to let the heat dissipate quickly.

My sister-the-nurse, however, reasons that a covered sterile container stays sterile. She will let a pot of soup, broth, or chili cool completely on the back of the stove overnight with the lid on. Makes sense to me, and I have read of other people doing this. Just just don't peek the last several minutes before the heat is turned off.

9f54852ea376e8e416356f547611e052

(2957)

on February 11, 2013
at 09:28 PM

And this is why I come to PH. Thanks!

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Ef9f83cb4e1826261a44c173f733789e

on February 11, 2013
at 06:22 PM

I let things cool on the porch also.

Allowing broth to cool outside seems pretty smart to me if the temperature is right. It's free refrigeration that requires no energy. It has nothing to do with being paleo or obsessive, it's just smart.

7fc82eebafd44badc73c520f44660150

(3275)

on February 11, 2013
at 08:39 PM

Do you keep the lid sealed tight to keep it sterile as mentioned above?

Ef9f83cb4e1826261a44c173f733789e

(13635)

on February 13, 2013
at 12:38 PM

I keep the stock pot lid on. It's not really sealed though because it has a tiny hole for a vent.

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on February 11, 2013
at 05:45 PM

Cool water in the sink is probably nearly as effective as ice-water. Get it to room temperature in 20-30 minutes then into the fridge.

Nothing paleo about food poisoning and poor food handling.

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on February 12, 2013
at 01:29 AM

The trick is probably to figure out a way to keep adding water to the sink to keep the temp gradient in the desired direction.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on February 12, 2013
at 03:29 AM

Probably could set it in large bowl an drip water into the bowl, that's how I thaw frozen meats typically.

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on February 11, 2013
at 05:52 PM

I find it incredibly hard to believe that our paleolithic ancestors even ate bone broth, considering the Ancient Greeks didn't even have utensils.

They probably prepared foods much like modern Khun! and Bushmen do. Just build a fire and place meat directly into it. Cooking tubers in underground hearths.

4debe57f81d507bcb844f10b2ef38a83

(398)

on February 12, 2013
at 05:24 AM

And then cracking the bones for the marrow... :)

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