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Are doctors warming up to paleo?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created October 11, 2011 at 2:57 PM

Did anyone else see this news story? It was sent to me by fellow member Eedlewee.

Doctors are warming up to Paleo afterall

http://simplepaleonow.com/2011/10/10/doctors-are-warming-up-paleo-afterall/

http://paleorunners.com/2011/10/20/healthwatch-doctors-warming-to-caveman-diet-trend/

11b7b7ba720a5cd43c74a0ef99a16adb

(3448)

on February 14, 2012
at 02:47 PM

Also blame the lawyers. If a doctor goes against "standard medical advice" and tells someone to go on a paleo (or any non-SAD) diet, and then that person dies (say from a heart attack), the doctor is almost certainly going to get sued. Sticking with standard dietary advice is like ordering extra tests, it protects the doctor form the lawyers. Doctors are people too, and nobody likes to stick their neck out (even if they are right) if there's a high risk they are going to get their head chopped off.

C79a5b43dfc5749200bd9dcaa6bb0858

on February 14, 2012
at 02:17 AM

Yay! Happy Happy! And I'd love to hear that song if you guys ever get around to writing it. ;-)

C79a5b43dfc5749200bd9dcaa6bb0858

on February 14, 2012
at 02:07 AM

Thanks for the link Beth. I did a word search on the site and found a bunch of the shows: http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/search/?q=caveman.

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on January 31, 2012
at 07:00 PM

I was under the impression that doctors did not learn ANYTHING about nutrition and disease in medical school.

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on January 31, 2012
at 06:58 PM

I think it humorous that some otherwise smart people (like doctors) consider 1/2 a pound of meat to be a large quantity. That's 8 ounces--or just two 4-ounce servings--a very common recommendation. It's also the equivalent of the meat in two Quarter Pounders, but without the extra ~40 grams of unhealthy wheat carb. 8 ounces is truly a moderate amount of meat.

6714718e2245e5190017d643a7614157

on January 31, 2012
at 06:09 PM

That's great to hear. Sounds like you have a very good doctor.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on January 31, 2012
at 06:05 PM

Lack of retinol, Anonymous Chump? :)

B8592e62f9804ddabae73c1103d6bcb9

(1956)

on January 30, 2012
at 12:17 PM

Ask for a VAP test, then take the results to that second doctor. Take a picture of the look on his face :P

6714718e2245e5190017d643a7614157

on January 27, 2012
at 02:18 PM

It's sad that most doctors don't know anything about cholesterol. Like the general public, many doctors focus on cholesterol levels and not your cholesterol ratio.

6714718e2245e5190017d643a7614157

on January 27, 2012
at 02:15 PM

If people get good info they can make positive changes. There is so much bad info out there it's hard for the general public to figure it out sometimes.

6714718e2245e5190017d643a7614157

on January 27, 2012
at 02:11 PM

That's great to hear about your friend.

6714718e2245e5190017d643a7614157

on January 27, 2012
at 02:53 AM

That's great to hear Jess.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on October 11, 2011
at 09:14 PM

I have a pretty progressive ND who knows and supports that I avoid grains, but who is also into the lipid hypothesis, so I'm keeping the nitty gritty of my dietary habits in the closet for now. If my labs turn out well at next year's check up, I'll come out. If they don't go so well, I can quietly consider my docs avoid saturated fat ideas, and either way I haven't damaged what is an otherwise great patient/doc relationship. I don't feel any need to show all my cards yet.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on October 11, 2011
at 09:06 PM

Oh triple entendre if we if add your name Bristlebeard!

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(248)

on October 11, 2011
at 08:39 PM

Thanks! I'm glad that I could help. I'm definitely trying to get information out to everyone in a timely manner

6714718e2245e5190017d643a7614157

on October 11, 2011
at 08:21 PM

A paleo friend sent it to me this morning via email so I thought it was worth posting here.

Db4ad76f6f307a6f577e175710049172

(2297)

on October 11, 2011
at 05:22 PM

Going against the grain and thinking outside the box is really the meat of Paleo-philosophy.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on October 11, 2011
at 05:18 PM

I like how both "go against the grain" and "think out of the box" have dual meanings here :)

Da3d4a6835c0f5256b2ef829b3ba3393

on October 11, 2011
at 05:00 PM

Ha ha! I'm still laughing at myself. Korion, I read your sentence to be "....almost farted." I was sitting here thinking, "what the hell?" before I figured it out!

1d0497f8781845ab371b479455bfee8e

(11157)

on October 11, 2011
at 04:17 PM

Only a half pound? lol :D

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on October 11, 2011
at 03:32 PM

It's here: http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/video/6336505-healthwatch-caveman-diet-trend-starting-to-catch-fire/

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on October 11, 2011
at 03:31 PM

Mine isn't : last time I told him I eat half a pound of beef every day he almost fainted.

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Medium avatar

on October 11, 2011
at 06:27 PM

A bit strange that the medical establishment has been hesitant to embrace evolution.

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6670b38baf0aae7f4d8ac2463ddc37c0

(3946)

on October 11, 2011
at 03:30 PM

I am fortunate enough to have a Paleo eating doctor. He says that some of the doctors he knows are coming around, but it is very difficult to overcome what they learn about nutrition and disease in medical school. They really have to go against the grain and think out of the box to go for a Paleo type mindset.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on October 11, 2011
at 09:06 PM

Oh triple entendre if we if add your name Bristlebeard!

Db4ad76f6f307a6f577e175710049172

(2297)

on October 11, 2011
at 05:22 PM

Going against the grain and thinking outside the box is really the meat of Paleo-philosophy.

Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

(17969)

on October 11, 2011
at 05:18 PM

I like how both "go against the grain" and "think out of the box" have dual meanings here :)

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on January 31, 2012
at 07:00 PM

I was under the impression that doctors did not learn ANYTHING about nutrition and disease in medical school.

11b7b7ba720a5cd43c74a0ef99a16adb

(3448)

on February 14, 2012
at 02:47 PM

Also blame the lawyers. If a doctor goes against "standard medical advice" and tells someone to go on a paleo (or any non-SAD) diet, and then that person dies (say from a heart attack), the doctor is almost certainly going to get sued. Sticking with standard dietary advice is like ordering extra tests, it protects the doctor form the lawyers. Doctors are people too, and nobody likes to stick their neck out (even if they are right) if there's a high risk they are going to get their head chopped off.

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75b3b900d09e555fc57b74ca24f7a76a

on January 31, 2012
at 05:56 PM

These recommendations actually came from my doctor six years ago:

-Go gluten free

-Eat low-carb

-Avoid vegetable oils, meats high in omega-6 and plants high in omega-6

-Take fish oil and other supplements (based on blood work)

-Have no fear of saturated fats. In fact, eat plenty of beef, lamb and omega-3 eggs!

My doctor is a research doctor at the nearby university who founded the Center for Integrative Medicine there. I was very, very ill when I first went to see him, and following this plan helped so much with my healing. Since that visit six years ago, he has more recently strongly recommended:

-Avoid all grains

-Avoid all beans

It was only after that more recent recommendation that I discovered the Paleo movement. Things he did not help with: discovering my intolerances to dairy and eggs.

6714718e2245e5190017d643a7614157

on January 31, 2012
at 06:09 PM

That's great to hear. Sounds like you have a very good doctor.

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6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on January 27, 2012
at 10:39 AM

Not en masse, but it is happening. I got to have an electric conversation with a friend whom I had always treaded lightly around diet-wise because I knew of her vegetarian leanings. We hadn't seen each other in nearly a year, but I noticed she was just glowing in a new and beautiful way. I mentioned it and she started telling me about this amazing high fat paleo diet her doctor had put her on. I almost burst into tears of joy because I feel like I still spend a lot of time being apologetic around my friends for being such a carnivore. I had goosebumps for the whole visit, and I think we were about to write a song about our love for pastured lamb steaks. Unfortunately, we live far away from each other, so it'll probably be another year before we can share notes in person again, but I look forward to it. I haven't met her doctor, but if I ever meet them, I want to give them a big hug.

6714718e2245e5190017d643a7614157

on January 27, 2012
at 02:11 PM

That's great to hear about your friend.

C79a5b43dfc5749200bd9dcaa6bb0858

on February 14, 2012
at 02:17 AM

Yay! Happy Happy! And I'd love to hear that song if you guys ever get around to writing it. ;-)

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306aa57660d911781231f8090c2a5619

(3808)

on October 11, 2011
at 06:16 PM

My husband's MD (through the VA), at the very least, considers paleo a reasonable dietary choice, and isn't pushing him to eat grains, though he does encourage other, more paleo-friendly dietary modifications for lowering cholesterol (eat more fish, drink some wine). My husband is also friends with another MD who apparently says that there are a fair number of MDs who are starting to quietly, off-the-books, suggest paleo-style dietary changes to their patients, even though it goes against what they're officially supposed to recommend.

6714718e2245e5190017d643a7614157

on January 27, 2012
at 02:53 AM

That's great to hear Jess.

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Medium avatar

on January 31, 2012
at 06:13 PM

I would wager that most MDs could not even say what the Paleo Diet consists of. A plurality have heard of it, no doubt, and what they think they "know" about the diet, would lead them to think it's bad, dangerous, unbalanced. Why would they say this? Because they also "know" fat is bad, especially saturated fat. They "know" grains are great for energy and fiber. They cannot say how they "know" any of this. Meanwhile, a few MDs are tracking ancestral lifestyles, and they've got actual facts dialed in. These are the MDs who do in fact "know" something useful vis-a-vis diet, and the smartest subgroup also knows the Paleo lifestyle is itself an approximation, a work in progress, not the final ("definitive") word about what humans ought to eat, and how we should move and generally spend our days.

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78972387772c994caa78513a83978437

on January 27, 2012
at 10:35 AM

My husband is a medical student and is constantly slipping paleo/low-carb weight loss tips and books to the obese diabetics in the clinics, while the attendings are sure to tell them to 'eat less and exercise more'.. but he has come across a couple of physician scientists that support eating a low-carb/paleo diet and their patients have had amazing results over the years.

6714718e2245e5190017d643a7614157

on January 27, 2012
at 02:15 PM

If people get good info they can make positive changes. There is so much bad info out there it's hard for the general public to figure it out sometimes.

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5cd7ceb59b7a47a6a7818dbf05ebe585

on January 27, 2012
at 10:20 AM

The Doctor(s) i've seen in my area haven't warmed up to it at all

  • One reckons I should be eating a "variety of foods" such as pasta and rice and that i'm "stressed", not because of life situations, but because I don't have enough "sugar in my diet" that being carbs I think.

  • The other reckons (After seeing my blood test results) I should be eating low fat dairy and margarine.

The second doctor also didn't know that there are TWO types of LDL Me: Are you able to tell from this test what type my LDL is, like small and dense or large and buoyant? Doctor: uh...there is only one type of LDL. Me: No there isn't Doctor: Yes there is.. Me: So there is no small dense or large buoyant LDL? Doctor: no Me: ....

Sorry about my rambling but I am sick of my doctor(s) >.>

6714718e2245e5190017d643a7614157

on January 27, 2012
at 02:18 PM

It's sad that most doctors don't know anything about cholesterol. Like the general public, many doctors focus on cholesterol levels and not your cholesterol ratio.

B8592e62f9804ddabae73c1103d6bcb9

(1956)

on January 30, 2012
at 12:17 PM

Ask for a VAP test, then take the results to that second doctor. Take a picture of the look on his face :P

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E57d8e182251b61ccc6ada197c359d7e

on January 27, 2012
at 04:17 AM

My doctor is happy with everything except that is raised my cholesterol. He can't get past the number. I keep denying the drugs as all my ratios are awesome and my inflammation is low. I will convert him he is really good overall.

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Bdf98e5a57befa6f0877f978ba09871c

on January 27, 2012
at 03:47 AM

This is partly why I am glad that I know people in the medical field. Many are open to paleo. My mate, who is becoming an ND, is paleo. I think it is important for those in the medical field to lead by example. Only then can the situation change.

1
Medium avatar

(248)

on October 11, 2011
at 06:51 PM

Hey thanks for starting a conversation about this. It's really interesting to see how the medical community MIGHT be starting to wake up. If anyone wanted to post comments on the blog as well, feel free!

[www.simplepaleonow.com][1]

Medium avatar

(248)

on October 11, 2011
at 08:39 PM

Thanks! I'm glad that I could help. I'm definitely trying to get information out to everyone in a timely manner

6714718e2245e5190017d643a7614157

on October 11, 2011
at 08:21 PM

A paleo friend sent it to me this morning via email so I thought it was worth posting here.

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Da3d4a6835c0f5256b2ef829b3ba3393

on October 11, 2011
at 04:59 PM

My doc isn't aligned with any particular diet, but when I explained what I do to him, he immediately said, "That sounds like a good diet... hard to be critical of that."

I'm going to bring him Paleo Diet information the next time I visit him, whether he likes it or not. You never know, he might buy into it and spread it on to other patients.

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65125edd5aafad39b3d5b3a8b4a36bb7

on January 27, 2012
at 03:58 AM

Well, the term doctor is not particularly descriptive anymore.

It includes a wide variety of health practitioners with widely differing ideas on what proper health care is, with equally differing backgrounds in education and training.

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6371f0ae0c075ded1b8cd30aafd4bf16

on October 11, 2011
at 03:22 PM

I did now. If anyone knows where we can get the eyewitness news video, please post it.

7dc950fc76a046048e683d2a27dced37

on October 11, 2011
at 03:32 PM

It's here: http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/video/6336505-healthwatch-caveman-diet-trend-starting-to-catch-fire/

C79a5b43dfc5749200bd9dcaa6bb0858

on February 14, 2012
at 02:07 AM

Thanks for the link Beth. I did a word search on the site and found a bunch of the shows: http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/search/?q=caveman.

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