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Any scientific studies for paleo over veganism or vegetarianism or sad dieters?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created March 21, 2013 at 8:13 PM

There are a bunch of studies in mainstream news showing the health benefits of veganism and vegetarianism over traditional sad diets. Does anyone in the paleohacks community know of any studies showing health or longevity benefits from eating a paleoesque diet? Epidemiological and clinical studies both welcome with preference given to clinical studies.

Please don't troll on me because you disagree with my username. I had this happen before and when I lashed back Travis shut down my question because I wasn't being polite or something. So let's keep this on the up and up please.

A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

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on August 08, 2013
at 11:13 PM

I'm not sure I consider the diabetic diet very similar to paleo given the first (A-level) aspect of it's recommendations includes eating whole grains and low fat dairy, nor is meat specifically recommended at all, but interesting study nonetheless.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on March 22, 2013
at 11:54 PM

My household eats no more meat now than we did on the SAD. The difference is we eat cleaner meat, cleaner veggies, and ditched the grains. We are all healthier for it.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on March 22, 2013
at 02:02 AM

Your questions are legitimate. Your silly accusations and over the top whiny defensiveness are not. I look forward to more questions from you that include neither.

A968017ef27f0a24abf64cc4460463a0

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on March 22, 2013
at 01:37 AM

Varelse, you are entitled to your opinion and I respect that. I assure you however that if my intention was to troll I could create a dozen bogus accounts in 2 minutes and create a script to incessantly flood these boards. That's not my intention, there are dozens of former vegans among you so I'm sure you can appreciate a fellow health versed individuals' perspective/critiques/hard questions when it comes to the paleo diet. My questions are straight forward and legitimate. Authority doesn't define morality, idc if the president of the United States closes my thread, if it's wrong it's wrong.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on March 22, 2013
at 01:22 AM

You know what varelse, you are completely entitled to your opinion and you are right I am on your turf. From the answers I have gathered that there are a bunch of former vegans among you. I'm sorry that my questions come off to you as trolling, I'm trying to formulate artful and tactful questions here that I'd expect a group of followers to be able to answer. Maybe because of that people get defensive but in my eyes I see one of 3 outcomes. 1) my post gets closed 2) nobody can answer my question 3) someone can answer my question and everyone learns something and improves for it.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on March 22, 2013
at 01:15 AM

PS - Travis IS a mod. Who do you think looks at those flagged comments? Puh-leeze.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on March 22, 2013
at 01:09 AM

Travis was perfectly justified in that, what with your comments as Truthy quoted above. You brought this on yourself with that and your username. I also think this question would have gone a lot better for you if you hadn't included the defensive disclaimer, because that looks like you're trying to "start stuff." Additionally, no one trolled you on the previous thread for your username - they let you know it wasn't cool to call people jealous of Durian Rider and sex-hormone deficient. Take responsibility for your own comments.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on March 22, 2013
at 01:07 AM

He was perfectly justified in that, what with your comments as Truthy quoted above. You brought this on yourself with that and your username. I also think this question would have gone a lot better for you if you hadn't included the defensive disclaimer, as no one would have "trolled you" on the other thread if you hadn't "trolled us" by calling us jealous of Durian Rider and deficient in sex hormones. Again, you're on our turf. If a Paleo eater went to a vegan forum and wanted legit scientific studies about the benefits of a vegan diet, I would expect them to behave appropriately.

A968017ef27f0a24abf64cc4460463a0

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on March 22, 2013
at 12:59 AM

In my last question Travis said "hey vegan nitwit... I'll start deleting your accounts on site" to what I thought was a legit question: http://paleohacks.com/questions/186127/is-your-paleo-high-animal-fat-protein-consumption-relatively-low-carb-mark-sisso#axzz2ODf7SZAM . I haven't intentionally trolled anybody, you can see all my answers and questions. Maybe you better understand my defensive stance..

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on March 22, 2013
at 12:30 AM

@lisa, and Atkin's isn't paleo, but it's close enough (dietary studies are indeed like horseshoes and hand grenades...)

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on March 22, 2013
at 12:22 AM

I think anyone posting on a Paleo forum, asking for our diet to be justified whilst not doing your own research, calling themselves Vegan4Life, and then introducing the question defensively doesn't get to whine about not being taken seriously. If you have legitimate questions, that is fine, but your history and defensiveness in addition to your username doesn't reflect sincerity. You're on our turf. Burden of nice is on you.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on March 21, 2013
at 11:47 PM

I think OP's question is pretty clear here - I'm not sure that it's either subject or argumentative. The second paragraph is defensive, but it sounds like it was true, so I can't really fault them for laying it out there.

A968017ef27f0a24abf64cc4460463a0

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on March 21, 2013
at 11:05 PM

truthinessinc, Matt,varelse, I'm sorry you interpret me dissenting as trolling, I assure you my questions however are legitimate. Mathgirl72 I flagged your comment for being offensive to me. I also flagged Matt's. I feel like both of you guys are trying to start something..

A968017ef27f0a24abf64cc4460463a0

(142)

on March 21, 2013
at 11:00 PM

+1 right back at you. Thanks.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on March 21, 2013
at 10:22 PM

Intellectual honesty requires that we tackle the hard questions. I asked them for their studies (which they have not yet provided). So it is fair for them to ask us.

048dd52752c45129c1212bfffb37ca72

(3150)

on March 21, 2013
at 10:20 PM

Being a vegan in a paleo environment must be hard and I guess he just wanted to avoid what just happened. C'mon people we all know how this usually turns out when two so much different cultures encounter. But this is a great question and it deserves some respect. Also we all might learn some interesting things from it.

E36cb992cf0a5eba8b97a359c15f38b3

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on March 21, 2013
at 10:14 PM

I upvoted your question because of your courage to ask, whether trolling or not. Please stick around, and continue to ask these questions politely. A little difference of opinion around here is good, provided nobody starts hurling personal insults.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on March 21, 2013
at 10:08 PM

Flagged my comment for what? Asking YOU a legitimate question? Don't troll and you won't be accused of trolling.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on March 21, 2013
at 10:07 PM

Well, I'm glad we at least agree on a (non LC) paleo diet being "plant heavy."

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on March 21, 2013
at 10:06 PM

The original link had 50 (if I counted correctly!) links to other sources, and there were 8 (or so, if I counted correctly) links to actual studies (at least one of them was behind a pay wall). I saw only one study that was experimentally based - relating to low fat/high fiber and exercise helping women recovering from breast cancer.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on March 21, 2013
at 10:01 PM

When the reference to "a recent report" pointed me to another HP article (which didn't contain a linkable reference to the study they mention), I immediately thought of Fox News' strategy of reporting on stories during their news segments created during their opinion segments. Technically, yes, it's reporting - but it's not fact based news.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on March 21, 2013
at 09:54 PM

Um, if you don't want people to assume things about you based on your username... um, don't use it. Also, would've helped if you hadn't previously trolled with it. Clearly a pattern of argumentative behavior.

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(39821)

on March 21, 2013
at 09:48 PM

How long have you been a vegan?

C28ae8c7a12a730363835acf21e962a2

(715)

on March 21, 2013
at 09:24 PM

the ornish diet isn't vegan. they consume low fat dairy and egg whites, along with a large amount of processed carbs and legumes.

A968017ef27f0a24abf64cc4460463a0

(142)

on March 21, 2013
at 09:21 PM

Thanks cd .

A968017ef27f0a24abf64cc4460463a0

(142)

on March 21, 2013
at 09:20 PM

As former vegans I'm sure you guys can appreciate where I'm coming from then. I can assure you that my motive is NOT to amass an unholy army of the damned.. Lol...

A968017ef27f0a24abf64cc4460463a0

(142)

on March 21, 2013
at 09:19 PM

Thank you, this is the type of stuff I was looking for.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on March 21, 2013
at 09:06 PM

Trololololol...

A968017ef27f0a24abf64cc4460463a0

(142)

on March 21, 2013
at 09:06 PM

Yes it does, probably.

A968017ef27f0a24abf64cc4460463a0

(142)

on March 21, 2013
at 09:05 PM

Lol, the article I gave you has between 20 and 30 citations. You can't ignore all of them because one of them forgot to cite one study..

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on March 21, 2013
at 09:02 PM

Ex-v*gan here myself, I can attest to this.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on March 21, 2013
at 09:01 PM

Furthermore, right from the get go, it talks about "Plant heavy diets...". Since I eat about 80% plant matter, does that make my diet "plant heavy?"

76026e8ef496039d5075440ff731aa0d

(5386)

on March 21, 2013
at 09:00 PM

“So all you vlc paleos hating on Durriander and Graham to you I ask you: are you just hating on them because you are JEALOUS of their “YOUTHFUL VITALITY”. It’s so hard to take anything you say seriously after you write something like this (I bolded the lettering because it’s so WTF it made LOL, then I realised you were serious) …I just want to hear what your agenda is, at least that I could respect, because as of now, I’m waiting for you to jump out of the Paleo bushes and scream “I told you eating meat was wrong!” FYI that would be so anticlimactic. Truth.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on March 21, 2013
at 09:00 PM

that article references this article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/12/vegetarians-live-longer-longevity_n_1961967.html?utm_hp_ref=healthy-living ... which references a study, which not linked to -- please try again.

A968017ef27f0a24abf64cc4460463a0

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on March 21, 2013
at 08:53 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kathy-freston/plant-based-diet_b_1981838.html

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on March 21, 2013
at 08:50 PM

Your bias is showing, specifically in "Like a study correlating higher meat consumption...". Who says that paleo-ers all eat more meat than the average Joe?

A968017ef27f0a24abf64cc4460463a0

(142)

on March 21, 2013
at 08:45 PM

I guess the main thing I want to see is either a clinical or epidemiological study where a group of people see improvements over their sad peers. Like a study correlating higher meat consumption and longevity. Just any studies that really support the paleo meme. Because I posted some studies on another thread and paleo guys tore it apart ( it showed a correlation between veganism and longevity) so I wanted to see if any studies anywhere show a high animal product diet being healthy(ier). Thanks for the studies you just provided.

A968017ef27f0a24abf64cc4460463a0

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on March 21, 2013
at 08:39 PM

This is a legitimate question MathGirl72. I'm not going to engage you because I don't want Travis to close my question for being rude again. But I flagged your comment and I'd appreciate it if you removed it and replaced it with a comment or answer that answers this question.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on March 21, 2013
at 08:21 PM

So you're the only one "allowed" to troll?

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3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on March 21, 2013
at 09:02 PM

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/10/paleolithic-diet-clinical-trials.html

14 healthy participants (5 men, 9 women) completed a 3-week dietary intervention in which they were counseled to eat a "paleolithic diet". After three weeks, the participants had, voluntarily:

  • Decreased their caloric intake from 2,478 to 1,584 kcal
  • Increased their percentage protein and fat, while decreasing carbohydrate
  • Decreased saturated fat, increased dietary cholesterol, decreased sodium intake, increased potassium
  • Lost 2.3 kg (5 lb)
  • Decreased waist circumference, blood pressure and PAI-1

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/10/paleolithic-diet-clinical-trials-part.html

The study design was very interesting. He randomly assigned 29 men with ischemic heart disease, plus type II diabetes or glucose intolerance, to either a "Mediterranean diet" or a "paleolithic diet". Neither diet was calorie-restricted.

But the paleolithic diet trumped the Mediterranean diet in many ways:

  • Greater fat loss in the the midsection and a trend toward greater weight loss
  • Greater voluntary reduction in caloric intake (total intake paleo= 1,344 kcal; Med= 1,795)
  • A remarkable improvement in glucose tolerance that did not occur significantly in the Mediterranean group
  • A decrease in fasting glucose
  • An increase in insulin sensitivity (HOMA-IR)

So in summary, the "Mediterranean diet" may be healthier than a typical Swedish diet, while a diet loosely modeled after a paleolithic diet kicks both of their butts around the block

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2009/02/paleolithic-diet-clinical-trials-part.html

They were 6 males and 3 females, and they represented people of African, European and Asian descent. Participants ate their typical diets for three days while investigators collected baseline data. Then, they were put on a seven-day "ramp-up" diet higher in potassium and fiber, to prepare their digestive systems for the final phase. In the "paleolithic" phase

  • Total cholesterol and LDL dropped, if you care about that.
  • Triglycerides decreased by 35%.
  • Fasting insulin plummeted by 68%.
  • HOMA-IR, a measure of insulin resistance, decreased by 72%.
  • Blood pressure decreased and blood vessel distensibility

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2009/09/paleolithic-diet-clinical-trials-part.html AND http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19604407

Paleo diet to treat Diabetes. The diabetes diet included: distributed meals with increased intake of vegetables, root vegetables, dietary fiber, whole-grain bread and other whole-grain cereal products, fruits and berries, and decreased intake of total fat with more unsaturated fat.

Neither diet was restricted in calories. After comparing the effects of the two diets for 3 months, the investigators concluded that the paleolithic diet:

  • Reduced HbA1c more than the diabetes diet (a measure of average blood glucose)
  • Reduced weight, BMI and waist circumference more than the diabetes diet
  • Lowered blood pressure more than the diabetes diet
  • Reduced triglycerides more than the diabetes diet
  • Increased HDL more than the diabetes diet

The diabetes group looks alot like the AHA/ Vegetarian ideals, and yet all markers were improved with Paleo

I'm bored with the copy and paste, here's a few more you can read on your own:

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2011/01/paleolithic-diet-clinical-trials-part-v.html

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2009/01/tokelau-island-migrant-study.html

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2012/01/paleo-diet-article-in-sound-consumer.html

A968017ef27f0a24abf64cc4460463a0

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on March 21, 2013
at 09:21 PM

Thanks cd .

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A2c38be4c54c91a15071f82f14cac0b3

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on March 21, 2013
at 09:51 PM

Since I didn't think someone with the screen name vegan4life would find the whole "eat vegetables and fruits" part of the paleo diet controversial, the following are controlled trials specifically on meat:

Eating meat improves markers of bone health:

  1. http://jn.nutrition.org/content/133/3/855S.full
  2. http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/89/3/1169.full
  3. http://www.ajcn.org/content/89/5/1357.abstract

Replacing some carbohydrates with red meat lowers systolic blood pressure:

http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/83/4/780.short

Eating fatty fish reduces cardiovascular disease death and death from all causes in heart disease survivors:

http://eurheartjsupp.oxfordjournals.org/content/3/suppl_D/D75.full.pdf

Eating red meat, compared to a meatless diet, reduces markers of colon cancer risk:

http://carcin.oxfordjournals.org/content/30/8/1402.full

So those were a few. I have more saved somewhere on my computer which I might try and turn up.

Also, I upvoted your question and appreciate your polite questioning of our beliefs. I generally feel like it's good to have the non-abrasive alternative viewpoint around, it can be the acoustic foam that keeps us from turning this place into an echo chamber.

A968017ef27f0a24abf64cc4460463a0

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on March 21, 2013
at 11:00 PM

+1 right back at you. Thanks.

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Be1dbd31e4a3fccd4394494aa5db256d

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on March 22, 2013
at 01:02 AM

Lots of people posted links, and I will add my analysis of the possible downsides of a vegan diet (it's not as mean as it sounds!) http://paindatabase.com/ask-kamal-stabby-vegan-diet

One thing I would advise against is using these name-diet (vegan, vegetarian, paleo, Atkins, etc) studies as a source of evidence for their denotations (vegan means no animal products, vegetarian means no meat, paleo means no neolithic foods, etc) because they are always in their connotative form (vegan diets in practice tend to be fruits, vegetables, whole grains, beans etc, paleo diet shuns processed foods, etc) and they don't actually test the denotations. In the case of a vegan diet, they eliminate processed meats, usually fried foods since people aren't going to fast food restaurants or frying chicken, overcooked meat, and they increase many nutrients relative to the other diet. So how do we know that there was a benefit from a vegan diet per se rather than the other things that changed? Does any of that implicate beef stew with vegetables? Is eliminating dairy good or just meat? Vice versa? What if you just ate chicken? Eggs?

And Paleo diets get rid of all sorts of junk, and usually restrict calories quite heavily. But is that evidence against oatmeal?

I guess we have to look at each individual food and do a cost-benefit analysis. That's hard and I would be surprised if anyone has ever done a thorough one, I don't think that a clinical trial and especially a correlative study could tell us the truth. Go to a vegan or paleo site and their pundits are always giving a one-sided story about their ideology of choice in their cost-benefit analyses, oftentimes they don't even address the negatives!

If this post is with the intention of gathering all of the evidence you can to try to put it all together, then that's awesome, good luck. These trials aren't completely useless, but I would just advise against overblowing their results.

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on March 21, 2013
at 09:03 PM

Not for paleo, but there is one RCT comparing Atkins (low-carb) and Ornish (vegan):

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17341711

Long story short, Atkins wins. More weight loss, more improvement in all biomarkers.

RCTs showing benefits of paleo:

http://www.cardiab.com/content/8/1/35

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17583796

Small studies, but impressive nonetheless.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on March 22, 2013
at 12:30 AM

@lisa, and Atkin's isn't paleo, but it's close enough (dietary studies are indeed like horseshoes and hand grenades...)

C28ae8c7a12a730363835acf21e962a2

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on March 21, 2013
at 09:24 PM

the ornish diet isn't vegan. they consume low fat dairy and egg whites, along with a large amount of processed carbs and legumes.

A968017ef27f0a24abf64cc4460463a0

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on March 21, 2013
at 09:19 PM

Thank you, this is the type of stuff I was looking for.

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on March 21, 2013
at 08:54 PM

I wonder if you guys are perhaps biting off more (tofu?) than you can chew. The people here almost invariably are heavy meat eaters, and have at the very least seen the resultant increases in satiety and well-being that come from that. Many, including myself, were formerly vegans and now actually feel truly healthy for the first time. Junk food didn't work, a vegan diet didn't work, but a balanced, highly-nutritious diet comprised of unrefined foods did. Hmmm...how about that?

So you see, you'd have to convince us that a diet that makes us feel terrible is healthier than one that makes us feel great. For example, no amount of RCTs in metabolic wards with dramatically significant results could ever convince me to eat low-carb because it makes me feel terrible. No amount of scare tactics from various charlatans will ever get me to again eat a diet that makes me feel worse than the one I eat now. That applies to frugivory or carnivory.

Anyway, what I'm getting at is that your religion is allocating precious resources in an attempt to stem the threat of this spooky meat-eating cult, but your conversion rate is going to be quite low. As such, I propose something that should be far more easy to accomplish:

Try to convince wild chimpanzees to become vegans. As I'm sure you know and think about daily, they are certainly not. If you are successful in this endeavor, you should start working on lacto ovo vegetarians, standard vegetarians, the institutionalized, the whole-grainers, junk foodists and then once you've amassed this unholy army of the damned, come march through here and put your jackboots to our throats and force us to convert or die.

At least that's what I would do.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on March 21, 2013
at 09:02 PM

Ex-v*gan here myself, I can attest to this.

A968017ef27f0a24abf64cc4460463a0

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on March 21, 2013
at 09:20 PM

As former vegans I'm sure you guys can appreciate where I'm coming from then. I can assure you that my motive is NOT to amass an unholy army of the damned.. Lol...

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(39821)

on March 21, 2013
at 09:48 PM

How long have you been a vegan?

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Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on March 21, 2013
at 08:49 PM

There are a bunch of studies in mainstream news showing the health benefits of veganism and vegetarianism over traditional sad diets.

Oh, do tell? Usually, when I read those studies, I find that they laud eating plants and warn about the dangers of processed meats. This completely jives with the modern paleo diet mindset. Often, the media doesn't even point end readers to the actual studies, which is unfortunate, as readers are left to assume the reporters take on the study is correct.

Epidemiological and clinical studies both welcome with preference given to clinical studies.

There are very few experiment-based studies for any diet, v*gan, paleo, or otherwise. Are they any? I don't know. The usual culprits are labeled as "cost" and "complexity"; I suppose this makes sense, as feeding a large group of people for years in a controlled fashion is nearly impossible.

A968017ef27f0a24abf64cc4460463a0

(142)

on March 21, 2013
at 09:05 PM

Lol, the article I gave you has between 20 and 30 citations. You can't ignore all of them because one of them forgot to cite one study..

A968017ef27f0a24abf64cc4460463a0

(142)

on March 21, 2013
at 09:06 PM

Yes it does, probably.

A968017ef27f0a24abf64cc4460463a0

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on March 21, 2013
at 08:53 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kathy-freston/plant-based-diet_b_1981838.html

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on March 21, 2013
at 09:00 PM

that article references this article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/12/vegetarians-live-longer-longevity_n_1961967.html?utm_hp_ref=healthy-living ... which references a study, which not linked to -- please try again.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on March 21, 2013
at 09:01 PM

Furthermore, right from the get go, it talks about "Plant heavy diets...". Since I eat about 80% plant matter, does that make my diet "plant heavy?"

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on March 21, 2013
at 10:06 PM

The original link had 50 (if I counted correctly!) links to other sources, and there were 8 (or so, if I counted correctly) links to actual studies (at least one of them was behind a pay wall). I saw only one study that was experimentally based - relating to low fat/high fiber and exercise helping women recovering from breast cancer.

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on March 21, 2013
at 10:07 PM

Well, I'm glad we at least agree on a (non LC) paleo diet being "plant heavy."

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on March 21, 2013
at 10:01 PM

When the reference to "a recent report" pointed me to another HP article (which didn't contain a linkable reference to the study they mention), I immediately thought of Fox News' strategy of reporting on stories during their news segments created during their opinion segments. Technically, yes, it's reporting - but it's not fact based news.

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A0c49f398499246c623e6527e9dd5ca2

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on March 21, 2013
at 08:38 PM

I upvoted your question because of your courage to ask this question and in hope to get more answers.

I don't know about any studies of the paleo diet. However, most parts of this diet are verified by a ton of research. Abundant O6 can cause inflammation http://www.umm.edu/altmed/articles/omega-6-000317.htm

Yes SFA raise LDL, however, overall LDL is not proven to be a good indicator of any disease http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/88/10/4525.long

Theres a lot of evidence showing that lektins, lactose, casein, fructose and gluten are not tolerated by a huge proportion of people.

CLA and Omega-3 have huge beneficial effects on overall health. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23475478

http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/02/27/1221997110.abstract

Through googling further you can easily find many more studies about this.

What else are you concerned about?

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on March 21, 2013
at 08:50 PM

Your bias is showing, specifically in "Like a study correlating higher meat consumption...". Who says that paleo-ers all eat more meat than the average Joe?

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on March 22, 2013
at 11:54 PM

My household eats no more meat now than we did on the SAD. The difference is we eat cleaner meat, cleaner veggies, and ditched the grains. We are all healthier for it.

A968017ef27f0a24abf64cc4460463a0

(142)

on March 21, 2013
at 08:45 PM

I guess the main thing I want to see is either a clinical or epidemiological study where a group of people see improvements over their sad peers. Like a study correlating higher meat consumption and longevity. Just any studies that really support the paleo meme. Because I posted some studies on another thread and paleo guys tore it apart ( it showed a correlation between veganism and longevity) so I wanted to see if any studies anywhere show a high animal product diet being healthy(ier). Thanks for the studies you just provided.

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on March 21, 2013
at 08:30 PM

i haven't come across any studies that directly compare paleo and vegetarian/vegan diets, but i did find this study that compared those on a western, meat eating diet to those on a vegetarian diet. after testing the glycation levels in both vegetarians and vegans they found that the veg. subjects actually had higher levels of AGEs then the ones who ate meat. they were expecting opposite results.

Plasma levels of advanced glycation end products in healthy, long-term vegetarians and subjects on a western mixed diet

the reason i'm skeptical of this study is because only 9 of the subjects were vegan out of 41. the majority of the veg subjects were vegetarian and consumed dairy and a considerable amount of grains. also 14 of them were "semi-vegetarians". if anything i think this study shows the negative effects of consuming dairy/grains along with a high intake of natural fructose. it says virtually nothing about consuming a diet high in one or the other separately.

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on August 08, 2013
at 09:53 PM

Not sure if it counts, but Diabetic Diet isn't so far off from paleo, as carbs are controlled. You can check for yourself if you look up "Create your plate" and decide if it is similar enough for you to consider this study significant or not. It was a fairly long study comparing vegan to the diabetic diet.

Admittedly, there is no talk of "healthy meat" or avoidance of packaged food in the diabetic diet, but it does at least show that long term studies on diets can be carried out if someone is willing to bother.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19339401

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on August 08, 2013
at 11:13 PM

I'm not sure I consider the diabetic diet very similar to paleo given the first (A-level) aspect of it's recommendations includes eating whole grains and low fat dairy, nor is meat specifically recommended at all, but interesting study nonetheless.

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