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Any Paleo failure stories out there?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created April 16, 2011 at 11:08 PM

We've all heard many Paleo success stories; they are found all over the place (on this forum, on most blogs and sites, in discussions, etc). People losing tens of pounds, getting ripped, ridding themselves of allergies and other illnesses, generally feeling better, etc.

But how about Paleo failure stories? It can't be that this is 100% fail-proof. Has anyone experienced or heard of someone experiencing:
- Weight gain or other physical symptoms
- Bad blood results & other tests (cholesterol, triglyceride, hypertension, etc.)
- Loss of energy
- Depression or other psychological symptoms
- etc.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Paleo believer, and have been so for 2 years. I just wonder how come I've never come across failure stories. Nothing in this world is perfect, so why should Paleo be? Share your stories here.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on February 19, 2013
at 04:06 AM

Do more research on IF specifically tailored to females. The info's out there. I think Asprey even had an update on bulletproofexec.com

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on February 19, 2013
at 03:57 AM

lol @ protesting a restaurant over their ingredients... MYOB much?

949d4d02ea7d1abd714cc3347c2c6854

(1021)

on February 18, 2013
at 06:42 PM

This part of the thread is kind of funny in 2013.

9d741bcbe702044635f2ce3078043054

(1435)

on September 16, 2012
at 04:36 PM

Low carb is NOT the same as Paleo, and vice versa. So it may be a failure of "low carb Paleo" (and one that has happened to me as well), but it's not a failure of Paleo in general.

05de181d71c1df6304a03566fe821d4b

(795)

on September 16, 2012
at 07:54 AM

Good to hear, I had the opposite, lowering the carbs totally help. You have to tweak, different things work for different people :)

43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

(419)

on September 16, 2012
at 02:35 AM

Who cares if you're not getting your period? Unless you're trying to get pregnant, it's a non-problem.

7841848bd0c27c64353c583fb7971242

(7275)

on September 16, 2012
at 01:53 AM

Absolute statements are suspect. "If someone decides to alter their eating habits strictly, they will not fail." That's not true for loads of people who have health problems that aren't "fixed" by going paleo, despite strict dietary changes.

Add2c0ce1ddf585c5057c3c0e7ca1a43

on March 31, 2012
at 08:28 PM

Thanks! I am. Today, for example, I've had no protein shakes and only 1/2 an apple. No bacon. Baby steps:)

C79a5b43dfc5749200bd9dcaa6bb0858

on March 30, 2012
at 09:09 PM

Hi wannabehealthy, I think it is best to be honest (like you are) and just work on baby steps. Phase it by waiting until you feel ready to challenge yourself to go the next step. If you know that your indulgences are probably stalling your goals make a plan to remove one thing at a future date and then slowly prepare yourself for it. It's the bite sized approach that will help you be successful with your goals. Too much too soon will just feel like deprivation and that's not what Paleo is about. Best of luck. :-)

C79a5b43dfc5749200bd9dcaa6bb0858

on March 30, 2012
at 09:05 PM

I had to go on BC for a while but now I am able to manage by avoiding super high fat meats (like over eating bacon), too much alcohol and coffee. I still indulge but in moderation and try not to indulge in them all at the same time. It took some time but I was able to make it work for my issues.

C79a5b43dfc5749200bd9dcaa6bb0858

on March 30, 2012
at 09:02 PM

My period went nuts too after I went paleo. I went from a 3 day period to a 7 day period, then the next month dropped down to 6 days, and then the next to 5 until now I'm finally back to 3 days. PMS still sucks and for some reason, perhaps coincidental, I started having horrible pains and ended up with a diagnosis of endometriosis. From what I've read prostaglandins can increase estrogen production which increases endometrial growth, or some such thing. Skip to the Summary below for the short of it: http://www.endo-resolved.com/prostaglandins.html.

C79a5b43dfc5749200bd9dcaa6bb0858

on March 30, 2012
at 08:52 PM

Lance Armstrong doesn't look healthy to me. He looks hungry.

499f188c87c6980742b9ba98caa6f563

(683)

on November 29, 2011
at 07:34 AM

Finally, we have a documented failure! Thanks for the input, Karna. I won't insult you by saying you didn't do it right. That's what the vegans always say. Paleo seems to be part of a downward spiral for you, so trusting to intuition sounds like a good thing for you at the moment. Good luck!

33907fee54e98865a1988e5eef59147e

(480)

on November 29, 2011
at 05:58 AM

disagree with that. he has access to all the knowledge out there, the best science/nutrition, and has won 7 tour de frances to prove it. i think hes doing whatever he needs to do to win those. Besides, and ive raised this before, there is a reason that the paleosphere doesnt account for that virtually no pro athletes are paleo, and the only paleo gurus in the entire world (7 billion people) are a few Dr.s, a few authors, and a few prominent bloggers from the last 15-20 years who have had success helping their patients lose weight. Total it is about a group of 8-10 authors and doctors, thats it

87045f8a1619c15c66b00c533b00df87

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on April 27, 2011
at 01:46 AM

I believe Robb Wolf said once that lack of a period can the result of iodine deficiency, and that a lost of Paleos have b/c iodine's present in a lot of processed foods. Maybe try supplementing with some iodized salt?

C4ed6ba382aed2eefc18e7877999a5de

(1579)

on April 18, 2011
at 10:07 PM

Thanks for the responses. I think part of the problem is the lack of healthy fats in my dining hall. I will increase my calories and see if that helps. I'm not on birth control so that's not the problem.

03f5a69fde4012b827ebdb6d93b71e7a

(2007)

on April 18, 2011
at 06:17 PM

Julia, are you using hormonal birth control? While I agree with the concern here, I did want to point out that I had a similar experience with losing my period entirely even though I was not experiencing any of your other symptoms. Years of being on the pill had made my period very light anyway, and I think the paleo + weight loss just kicked it over the edge. I went off the pill after a couple of months of that in December and have really increased my IF since then, but immediately started having very normal periods.

26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

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on April 18, 2011
at 04:22 PM

If you have no period, and are weak and tired and dizzy, your diet is a failure. Please take care of your body.

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

(4896)

on April 18, 2011
at 03:11 PM

I am glad that you feel so much better, weight loss is not the only indicator of success, especially for women. So many factors get into... oh, and I would never say "try harder" b/c thats a bs. I know that it's like a heresy here, but I am a supporter of "health at every size", and it looks like you are focusing on your health. There is probably some other reasons why your body doesn't want to get rid of fat, but it has nothing to do with you, what you do.

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on April 18, 2011
at 02:39 PM

If you've lost your period it sounds like you need to uptake your calories.

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on April 18, 2011
at 02:37 PM

These are all things that tend to happen in the transitional phase. They should fade. It's a huge change for most people so your body will need a little time to adapt.

344102b6bc599c7c3f1f58ca0ac29513

(451)

on April 18, 2011
at 01:46 PM

Ryah H - no health problems that I know of, I'm otherwise a very healthy person. Dr. K - how does one go about testing for, diagnosing and fixing leptin resistance?

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on April 17, 2011
at 10:43 PM

Yeah, you could mix it up a lot: a week straight of VLC/ketosis (mildly unpleasant perhaps), then a month with just fairly low glucose, then a few weeks doing the cyclic thing like I'm doing now, then back to a paleo-normal fairly low glucose level, and so on.

00617208f2e481c293a2f8ad4d097911

(295)

on April 17, 2011
at 07:56 PM

Yes, makes perfect sense. The idea that normal people are people that thrive on Paleo, and that the paleo diet should work on all normal people, is still circular. But I understand what your saying.

Aebee51dc2b93b209980a89fa4a70c1e

(1982)

on April 17, 2011
at 05:13 PM

A ketogenic diet will not necessarily cause you to lose weight.

Cf626d3fba66c18297b3f1116a920e58

(3417)

on April 17, 2011
at 05:00 PM

(2 of 2) ... so placing them on a Paleo-type diet and observing failure should not at all undermine the apparent effectiveness of the diet for the remaining 95%+ of us. To simplify my stance, I believe that a Paleo-type diet will always "work" if the body is competent to metabolize the nutrients commonly found in Paleo foods, and almost all people are able to do so. My post did seem to reason a little circularly, as you said. Maybe this clarifies my stance?

Cf626d3fba66c18297b3f1116a920e58

(3417)

on April 17, 2011
at 04:53 PM

(1 of 2) Dave, by normal, I literally mean normal -- that which most of the population shares, a typical metabolism not hampered in some way by a genetic disorder. By that definition, yes, this would be someone who thrives on a Paleo diet, but that should be almost everyone unless there is an unusual, inherited or acquired mutation in someone that disrupts the metabolism in some way that consumption of Paleo staples becomes lethal (perhaps someone with phenylketonuria or something similar). So yes, there are non-normal people out there, but they do NOT represent the metabolic norm...

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on April 17, 2011
at 04:19 PM

Lol".............

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on April 17, 2011
at 04:17 PM

Important topic here. If your leptin resistant it won't matter what diet you eat. That is problem one that must be solved

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on April 17, 2011
at 04:15 PM

I like your answer too.....

6ab7cd262d13f83de8b65d6ff1ed63fa

(50)

on April 17, 2011
at 03:38 PM

I have had the first two, but there are combatants to those. 1)Probiotics help me tremendously when it comes to digestion and I'm back on a regular schedule. 2. I find my lips get chapped where the water hitting when I drink. I changed how I purse my lips when I drink and started using lip balm and the chapped lips are just about gone. Note I've only been paleo for 2 weeks.

13c5a9f1678d75b93f269cdcf69f14d5

(2339)

on April 17, 2011
at 03:06 PM

Deliberately? Oct. 2008 Accidentally, sometime around the holidays. He will occasionally eat something, react to it, and if it is a food we'd like to keep, I use a home gluten test kit. Very small amounts of gluten seem to matter. The pepper bacon had to go....and some spiced tea among others. see the gluten zap forum for info on testing

C4ed6ba382aed2eefc18e7877999a5de

(1579)

on April 17, 2011
at 02:22 PM

I've been paleo since November and I started IF maybe a month or 2 ago... I don't know if that's a good time frame or not. It's true that the dining hall doesn't have much in the way of good fats, but I do the best I can and eat until I am full, so I wouldn't think I'd be "starving" myself but maybe it's possible?

2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

(919)

on April 17, 2011
at 02:10 PM

it's all relative - if there weren't any tall people, there wouldn't be any short people

2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

(919)

on April 17, 2011
at 02:08 PM

just as some animals are good converters of foodstuffs into body mass, so it is with humans. It's not a matter of "one size fits all"

00617208f2e481c293a2f8ad4d097911

(295)

on April 17, 2011
at 01:57 PM

Generally I don't recommend doing IF right at the beginning of the switch to Paleo, you're putting your body through a lot of hard changes at the same time. The most common reason for this lack of energy could be the fact that you're not eating enough especially fat, and since your fasting 16-18hours. Why not try upping your good fat intake? If I'm right your dining hall should be following the low fat craze, so what they are offering must be relatively low in fat, and you might be "starving" yourslef. OR it's just the first few weeks, and your body needs to adapt...

C4ed6ba382aed2eefc18e7877999a5de

(1579)

on April 17, 2011
at 01:46 PM

on the other hand, i have kicked my carb cravings, which was the reason i went paleo in the first place... couldn't stand not feeling in control of what i ate

C1c86f42410cd4788bd9c5cf801dcd8f

(2246)

on April 17, 2011
at 01:20 PM

Is there a chance you have any health issues that would be interfering? Thyroid issue or something else maybe? I'm sure you have already done a lot of research on it but I thought I would ask.

C1c86f42410cd4788bd9c5cf801dcd8f

(2246)

on April 17, 2011
at 01:18 PM

I've heard one client complain of the sleep problems as well on s VLC diet as a different one complain of being dizzy (I did suffer it myself as well) after 2 weeks it went away for me, she did 10 days and went back to eating her way...

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22923)

on April 17, 2011
at 01:02 PM

Other than a ketogenic experiment, I'm using ketones only during extended fasts... It's not a great constant state IMO

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on April 17, 2011
at 07:58 AM

Agree with this, have seen other such stories, although I'll agree with Stephen that it does seem to be more about endurance-recovery in the case of lifting or about ability to do more glucose-ish stuff like sports or running.

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on April 17, 2011
at 07:52 AM

Of course you'll have to eat starches, but I personally think starches are our friends. I've been having a starch revolution recently. Squash? Gift from above.

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on April 17, 2011
at 07:51 AM

I guess I already posted a comment on your other thread, but why not write a little more here -- I hope you don't mind if I throw out some ideas in a (hopefully) non-pushy way. How about going ketogenic like Dexter proposes, but in cycles? You get the advantage of periods of ketosis but then also the occasional carb "refeed" which can be seen by your body as a signal that you're not starving and thus it will let go of the fat. I've been doing this along with cutting all dairy (and all grains other than rice of course) and I'm losing weight. (Though losing weight wasn't the goal.)

7767e05a8c4504f6be03f13ee40815cd

(1299)

on April 17, 2011
at 06:50 AM

I'd experimented with ketosis for about a month about 2-3 months prior, so I wasn't completely new to it. I'm almost certain I was in ketosis most of the time during the month in question - I could feel it on my breath, mentally, etc.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 17, 2011
at 04:33 AM

@Anonymous Coward, Thanks. I wanted to say something different about this topic, but it's not always easy to say enough, make sense etc. Thanks for the vote of confidence:)

00617208f2e481c293a2f8ad4d097911

(295)

on April 17, 2011
at 04:04 AM

Anything you can find here: http://paleohacks.com/questions/7058/share-your-paleo-before-and-after

462ed57189bd2b8ffbe2a975186191f9

(492)

on April 17, 2011
at 03:56 AM

I didn't even realize that I haven't suffered from any allergies at all this spring. Damn, I wish I had gone paleo years ago!

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22923)

on April 17, 2011
at 03:31 AM

It's about the process of real food. Not everyone has to sprint in. :)

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22923)

on April 17, 2011
at 03:29 AM

Temporary adaptation to new macronutrient ratios maybe. If lance just kept his ratios but went whole food only, no processed, I bet he'd be even more kickass.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22923)

on April 17, 2011
at 03:27 AM

1 month isn't alot of time to adapt to running on fat if you didn't go ketosis. Not saying you should, but it's not instantaneous. My strength went down alot low carb paleo, then climbed back up and exceeded. Only my endurance/recovery peaked by adding tubers post workout.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on April 17, 2011
at 03:26 AM

Upvoted anyway.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on April 17, 2011
at 03:26 AM

So knowing you're on the path to success is possibly the highest measure of success an individual can achieve? Great word sorcery there. I almost thought you said something until I re-read 6 times wondering what the hell it meant.

00617208f2e481c293a2f8ad4d097911

(295)

on April 17, 2011
at 03:19 AM

Spot on. I'm not sure when the picture was taken, but prior to switching to paleo (2 years ago), I was quite healthy and fit. I did feel better overall, lose some stubborn belly fat, and gain some lean mass after the switch.

00617208f2e481c293a2f8ad4d097911

(295)

on April 17, 2011
at 03:15 AM

Thanks for sharing this Harfatum! First successful failure, so far :)

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on April 17, 2011
at 03:14 AM

When's the last time you ate Gluten? Just wondering.

00617208f2e481c293a2f8ad4d097911

(295)

on April 17, 2011
at 01:39 AM

Here you are talking about the failure of an individual to follow a Paleo diet adequately. What I am trying to uncover is a failure of the diet itself (assuming it is followed correctly).

00617208f2e481c293a2f8ad4d097911

(295)

on April 17, 2011
at 01:35 AM

This stuff absolutely works. We agree. However, I wonder if it ever fails to work in certain circumstances. You say "it works on a normal metabolic genotype", but "normal" is way to vague of a word, and from your sentence it could be defined as "someone that thrives on a paleo diet", which invalidates the argument. Are there "non-normal" people out there? People that do not thrive on Paleo? Why not?

For more Paleo hacks: http://paleohacks.com/questions/33520/any-paleo-failure-stories-out-there#ixzz1Jjwnf2h2

00617208f2e481c293a2f8ad4d097911

(295)

on April 17, 2011
at 01:34 AM

This stuff absolutely works. We agree. However, I wonder if it ever fails to work in certain circumstances. You say "it works on a normal metabolic genotype", but "normal" is way to vague of a word, and from your sentence it could be defined as "someone that thrives on a paleo diet", which invalidates the argument. Are there "non-normal" people out there? People that do not thrive on Paleo? Why not?

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on April 16, 2011
at 11:25 PM

If you are not losing, then you are ingesting something that is sabatoging your desire. Go on a truly ketogenic diet...become a fat burning lady and you will lose weight. http://www.keto.org/summary.htm

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

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on April 16, 2011
at 11:20 PM

Only failure I'm having is that I'm not losing weight. Though my boyfriend found out today that his Blood Pressure has gone down about 20 points!

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344102b6bc599c7c3f1f58ca0ac29513

on April 17, 2011
at 07:35 AM

Interesting that no one here seems to have had any failures, because I sure have.

I feel better on the Paleo diet, but I've been Paleo for two years now, living the 80/20 principle but these days I'm closer to 95/5 because every little slip now puts weight on me like nobody's business. I started out fat at around 215. I never lost any weight but my moods are better and I'm less anxious and hungry so I considered that a win. However, any time I have to relax the rules a little and eat more 50/50 for a spell - Bang - that's another 5 pounds on that will NOT leave and two years later I'm up to about 235 no matter how much I low carb it, no matter which way I shift macronutrient ratios, no matter how much I walk, run, lift weights, sprint tabatas, no how much I think positive, no matter how long I spend in whatever level of ketosis, no matter what.

Before the neolithic foods didn't make me any fatter, they just made me tired and anxious. They do that now AND pack the pounds on in a matter of days, and they just won't leave. And if anyone tells me to try harder, I'm going to climb through the screen and choke them.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on April 17, 2011
at 04:17 PM

Important topic here. If your leptin resistant it won't matter what diet you eat. That is problem one that must be solved

C1c86f42410cd4788bd9c5cf801dcd8f

(2246)

on April 17, 2011
at 01:20 PM

Is there a chance you have any health issues that would be interfering? Thyroid issue or something else maybe? I'm sure you have already done a lot of research on it but I thought I would ask.

2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

(919)

on April 17, 2011
at 02:08 PM

just as some animals are good converters of foodstuffs into body mass, so it is with humans. It's not a matter of "one size fits all"

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

(4896)

on April 18, 2011
at 03:11 PM

I am glad that you feel so much better, weight loss is not the only indicator of success, especially for women. So many factors get into... oh, and I would never say "try harder" b/c thats a bs. I know that it's like a heresy here, but I am a supporter of "health at every size", and it looks like you are focusing on your health. There is probably some other reasons why your body doesn't want to get rid of fat, but it has nothing to do with you, what you do.

344102b6bc599c7c3f1f58ca0ac29513

(451)

on April 18, 2011
at 01:46 PM

Ryah H - no health problems that I know of, I'm otherwise a very healthy person. Dr. K - how does one go about testing for, diagnosing and fixing leptin resistance?

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Cf626d3fba66c18297b3f1116a920e58

(3417)

on April 17, 2011
at 01:23 AM

"It can't be that this is 100% fail-proof."

I don't agree with that -- at least not at face-value. If you are a person with a "normal" metabolic genotype, even saving for some sensitivities or intolerances here and there, the whole of evolution and emerging science suggest that following an ancestral eating plan should lead to the healthy physiology of ancestral humans, assuming other factors like movement are included as well.

No animal's default state is obese, tired, sick, allergic, insensitive, stressed, etc. It seems that an ancestral approach to diet and fitness simulates what promotes general health and prevents metabolic syndrome, and logically so. That's the power of Paleo, that it simply follows from exploiting, or rather obeying, how we evolved, and that's why it works on genetically normal individuals essentially without fail.

Most adherents seem to gauge success as fat loss, but immense genetic diversity exists within any population, especially one as varied as humans. Even if the fat doesn't come ripping away like it often does, then, as another commenter noted, key indicators of health like blood pressure and lipoprotein profile almost always improve substantially.

Side note: This is my first spring eating a Paleo diet. All my friends are mired in allergies, popping pills by the handful. This is my first spring where I'd feel confident breathing out of a scuba tank full of pollen and cat hair.

This stuff works.

462ed57189bd2b8ffbe2a975186191f9

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on April 17, 2011
at 03:56 AM

I didn't even realize that I haven't suffered from any allergies at all this spring. Damn, I wish I had gone paleo years ago!

Cf626d3fba66c18297b3f1116a920e58

(3417)

on April 17, 2011
at 05:00 PM

(2 of 2) ... so placing them on a Paleo-type diet and observing failure should not at all undermine the apparent effectiveness of the diet for the remaining 95%+ of us. To simplify my stance, I believe that a Paleo-type diet will always "work" if the body is competent to metabolize the nutrients commonly found in Paleo foods, and almost all people are able to do so. My post did seem to reason a little circularly, as you said. Maybe this clarifies my stance?

00617208f2e481c293a2f8ad4d097911

(295)

on April 17, 2011
at 07:56 PM

Yes, makes perfect sense. The idea that normal people are people that thrive on Paleo, and that the paleo diet should work on all normal people, is still circular. But I understand what your saying.

00617208f2e481c293a2f8ad4d097911

(295)

on April 17, 2011
at 01:35 AM

This stuff absolutely works. We agree. However, I wonder if it ever fails to work in certain circumstances. You say "it works on a normal metabolic genotype", but "normal" is way to vague of a word, and from your sentence it could be defined as "someone that thrives on a paleo diet", which invalidates the argument. Are there "non-normal" people out there? People that do not thrive on Paleo? Why not?

For more Paleo hacks: http://paleohacks.com/questions/33520/any-paleo-failure-stories-out-there#ixzz1Jjwnf2h2

Cf626d3fba66c18297b3f1116a920e58

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on April 17, 2011
at 04:53 PM

(1 of 2) Dave, by normal, I literally mean normal -- that which most of the population shares, a typical metabolism not hampered in some way by a genetic disorder. By that definition, yes, this would be someone who thrives on a Paleo diet, but that should be almost everyone unless there is an unusual, inherited or acquired mutation in someone that disrupts the metabolism in some way that consumption of Paleo staples becomes lethal (perhaps someone with phenylketonuria or something similar). So yes, there are non-normal people out there, but they do NOT represent the metabolic norm...

00617208f2e481c293a2f8ad4d097911

(295)

on April 17, 2011
at 01:34 AM

This stuff absolutely works. We agree. However, I wonder if it ever fails to work in certain circumstances. You say "it works on a normal metabolic genotype", but "normal" is way to vague of a word, and from your sentence it could be defined as "someone that thrives on a paleo diet", which invalidates the argument. Are there "non-normal" people out there? People that do not thrive on Paleo? Why not?

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07c86972a3bea0b0dc17752e9d2f5642

on April 17, 2011
at 02:11 PM

I've only had failure with conventional "paleo" wisdom. That is: very low carb, very high fat, no potatoes until you are lean, etc. I gained fat steadily and had low energy on VLC paleo, but the basic premise of whole foods, no sugar, no grains, low PUFAs and plenty (but not huge amounts) of healthy animal fats has been the best thing in the world for me emotionally and physically.

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on April 16, 2011
at 11:19 PM

The only failures are with people that want to reinvent the paleo book and miss their bread and pasta and doughnuts. A little bit won't hurt.

Also the failures happen when the difficulties of social pressures of not eating the crap that arrives at potlucks get in the way of good etiquette. Or they cannot give up pasta night.

Eating out a lot and not knowing what kinds of oils are being used in the kitchen can sabatoge paleo. Melissa today is at a meet up at Chipotles in NYC protesting them using soybean oil when cooking their meats.

If someone decides to alter their eating habits strictly, they will not fail. But too many people complain of ailments such as arthritic hands or knees and when I propose they give up bread and pasta...they say they could never do that. Or they complain of being overweight, but they will not give up their bread, cakes, and pies.

06d21b99c58283ce575e36c4ecd4a458

(9948)

on April 16, 2011
at 11:25 PM

If you are not losing, then you are ingesting something that is sabatoging your desire. Go on a truly ketogenic diet...become a fat burning lady and you will lose weight. http://www.keto.org/summary.htm

00617208f2e481c293a2f8ad4d097911

(295)

on April 17, 2011
at 01:39 AM

Here you are talking about the failure of an individual to follow a Paleo diet adequately. What I am trying to uncover is a failure of the diet itself (assuming it is followed correctly).

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

(1702)

on April 16, 2011
at 11:20 PM

Only failure I'm having is that I'm not losing weight. Though my boyfriend found out today that his Blood Pressure has gone down about 20 points!

Aebee51dc2b93b209980a89fa4a70c1e

(1982)

on April 17, 2011
at 05:13 PM

A ketogenic diet will not necessarily cause you to lose weight.

7841848bd0c27c64353c583fb7971242

(7275)

on September 16, 2012
at 01:53 AM

Absolute statements are suspect. "If someone decides to alter their eating habits strictly, they will not fail." That's not true for loads of people who have health problems that aren't "fixed" by going paleo, despite strict dietary changes.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on February 19, 2013
at 03:57 AM

lol @ protesting a restaurant over their ingredients... MYOB much?

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Ce2deb4c58a06e73996d5f1fd3ddaacb

(145)

on November 29, 2011
at 05:50 AM

I ate paleo for 8 months and was really engaged in the process. In general I did not feel any better on paleo than on my normal diet. I actually felt a little worse.

My period became 5 days longer. I had severe PMS. I was low on energy. Acne improved somewhat but never really disappeared. Weight was stable but I did not loose any kilos. The worst part was that I lost my natural sense of eating, meaning that I became obsessed with food; what to eat and what not to eat. I was on the edge of an eating disorder. It was very stressful for me to eat paleo.

I am now in the process of learning to eat by intuition. I feel better eating this way, both physically and emotionally. My skin problems are better now than on paleo. My biggest problem is that after I stopped paleo I have gained weight like crazy. I eat less and move more, but that makes no difference. It is so annoying :-(

499f188c87c6980742b9ba98caa6f563

(683)

on November 29, 2011
at 07:34 AM

Finally, we have a documented failure! Thanks for the input, Karna. I won't insult you by saying you didn't do it right. That's what the vegans always say. Paleo seems to be part of a downward spiral for you, so trusting to intuition sounds like a good thing for you at the moment. Good luck!

C79a5b43dfc5749200bd9dcaa6bb0858

on March 30, 2012
at 09:05 PM

I had to go on BC for a while but now I am able to manage by avoiding super high fat meats (like over eating bacon), too much alcohol and coffee. I still indulge but in moderation and try not to indulge in them all at the same time. It took some time but I was able to make it work for my issues.

C79a5b43dfc5749200bd9dcaa6bb0858

on March 30, 2012
at 09:02 PM

My period went nuts too after I went paleo. I went from a 3 day period to a 7 day period, then the next month dropped down to 6 days, and then the next to 5 until now I'm finally back to 3 days. PMS still sucks and for some reason, perhaps coincidental, I started having horrible pains and ended up with a diagnosis of endometriosis. From what I've read prostaglandins can increase estrogen production which increases endometrial growth, or some such thing. Skip to the Summary below for the short of it: http://www.endo-resolved.com/prostaglandins.html.

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7f4c64d6caca80c74a6c2d91efa3259b

(831)

on April 17, 2011
at 09:24 AM

Without going too far into the realms of philosophical debate here:

Failure is just another form of success. You can't have success without failure or you have nothing to judge your success by.

If you do not fail, you cannot learn to adapt and overcome and finally succeed in whatever it is you are trying to achieve.

So, in the long run, all paleo followers are winners :)

2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

(919)

on April 17, 2011
at 02:10 PM

it's all relative - if there weren't any tall people, there wouldn't be any short people

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 17, 2011
at 02:21 AM

Well, I think this would be a good place to summarize the various problems people have encountered with it that I have read up here:

1) Constipation: I have this one a little bit. I am not buying the "you don't need to poop as much" story that I've read up here. Sounds like a justification. Just like the sick vegan who tells you his poor health is due to "detox symptoms".....three years after he's been on the diet.

2) Chapped Lips. I got this one, too. I just needed to increase Vitamin C. I added a little fruit and added lemon juice.

3) I've read some people started having sleep problems. That's not good.

4) My first week or so into it, I got dizzy. This is apparently a common side of initial ketosis. Need to drink plenty of water and get enough salt and potassium.

6ab7cd262d13f83de8b65d6ff1ed63fa

(50)

on April 17, 2011
at 03:38 PM

I have had the first two, but there are combatants to those. 1)Probiotics help me tremendously when it comes to digestion and I'm back on a regular schedule. 2. I find my lips get chapped where the water hitting when I drink. I changed how I purse my lips when I drink and started using lip balm and the chapped lips are just about gone. Note I've only been paleo for 2 weeks.

2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on April 18, 2011
at 02:37 PM

These are all things that tend to happen in the transitional phase. They should fade. It's a huge change for most people so your body will need a little time to adapt.

C1c86f42410cd4788bd9c5cf801dcd8f

(2246)

on April 17, 2011
at 01:18 PM

I've heard one client complain of the sleep problems as well on s VLC diet as a different one complain of being dizzy (I did suffer it myself as well) after 2 weeks it went away for me, she did 10 days and went back to eating her way...

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43e9d0f324c2fc8b5f283786a1e3bf4f

(419)

on September 16, 2012
at 01:47 AM

Define failure. I still have fibromyalgia and joint pain, but it's better. My energy level and anxiety are better, but I'm still an unhappy person in a mad world. I can achieve a normal body weight if I stay away from grains and dairy, except when I get too busy to eat. It's a diet, not a body and mind transplant.

I got my mom to try paleo too, hoping it would cure her lupus. Newsflash: lupus is a dread, incurable disease. Oh well. I had been so excited that it works for some people with problems like ours. I still wish we had randomized controlled trials on how many people with what sorts of problems this intervention is effective for and in what ways. It's a reflection of corrupt incentives (money for drugs, not lifestyle changes) that this gold standard data does not exist.

Health is a product of genetics, epigenetics, environment, and behavior. You can only control so much of that equation. A bunch of online anecdotes are useful for figuring out how to better experiment with being in control of your own destiny. Their usefulness stops there.

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7767e05a8c4504f6be03f13ee40815cd

(1299)

on April 17, 2011
at 02:16 AM

I had failure to some degree with low-carb paleo and lifting. I did a month of low-carb (besides the night before workouts) and I actually lost ground on my lifts despite the fact that I am still a beginner and I didn't lose any weight over that time. I'm still paleo + dairy, but reintroduction of carbs has helped my lifts immensely.

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on April 17, 2011
at 07:58 AM

Agree with this, have seen other such stories, although I'll agree with Stephen that it does seem to be more about endurance-recovery in the case of lifting or about ability to do more glucose-ish stuff like sports or running.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22923)

on April 17, 2011
at 03:27 AM

1 month isn't alot of time to adapt to running on fat if you didn't go ketosis. Not saying you should, but it's not instantaneous. My strength went down alot low carb paleo, then climbed back up and exceeded. Only my endurance/recovery peaked by adding tubers post workout.

00617208f2e481c293a2f8ad4d097911

(295)

on April 17, 2011
at 03:15 AM

Thanks for sharing this Harfatum! First successful failure, so far :)

7767e05a8c4504f6be03f13ee40815cd

(1299)

on April 17, 2011
at 06:50 AM

I'd experimented with ketosis for about a month about 2-3 months prior, so I wasn't completely new to it. I'm almost certain I was in ketosis most of the time during the month in question - I could feel it on my breath, mentally, etc.

9d741bcbe702044635f2ce3078043054

(1435)

on September 16, 2012
at 04:36 PM

Low carb is NOT the same as Paleo, and vice versa. So it may be a failure of "low carb Paleo" (and one that has happened to me as well), but it's not a failure of Paleo in general.

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13c5a9f1678d75b93f269cdcf69f14d5

(2339)

on April 17, 2011
at 02:52 AM

2.5 years strictly GF and no dairy Paleo, except for ghee to provide K2, and my husbands osteopenia is worse. Failure? I don't think so. He sure feels better than he did, but there's still more to do apparently.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on April 17, 2011
at 03:14 AM

When's the last time you ate Gluten? Just wondering.

13c5a9f1678d75b93f269cdcf69f14d5

(2339)

on April 17, 2011
at 03:06 PM

Deliberately? Oct. 2008 Accidentally, sometime around the holidays. He will occasionally eat something, react to it, and if it is a food we'd like to keep, I use a home gluten test kit. Very small amounts of gluten seem to matter. The pepper bacon had to go....and some spiced tea among others. see the gluten zap forum for info on testing

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3ccab807e2b8bb1d050c3584d9c1dd12

(487)

on April 17, 2011
at 02:49 AM

Judging by your photo....you look like a guy who is already healthy. I've noticed Paleo has weird effects on people are already healthy.

For example if Lance Armstrong started a Paleo diet...I imagine he would have negative side effects...

00617208f2e481c293a2f8ad4d097911

(295)

on April 17, 2011
at 03:19 AM

Spot on. I'm not sure when the picture was taken, but prior to switching to paleo (2 years ago), I was quite healthy and fit. I did feel better overall, lose some stubborn belly fat, and gain some lean mass after the switch.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22923)

on April 17, 2011
at 03:29 AM

Temporary adaptation to new macronutrient ratios maybe. If lance just kept his ratios but went whole food only, no processed, I bet he'd be even more kickass.

33907fee54e98865a1988e5eef59147e

(480)

on November 29, 2011
at 05:58 AM

disagree with that. he has access to all the knowledge out there, the best science/nutrition, and has won 7 tour de frances to prove it. i think hes doing whatever he needs to do to win those. Besides, and ive raised this before, there is a reason that the paleosphere doesnt account for that virtually no pro athletes are paleo, and the only paleo gurus in the entire world (7 billion people) are a few Dr.s, a few authors, and a few prominent bloggers from the last 15-20 years who have had success helping their patients lose weight. Total it is about a group of 8-10 authors and doctors, thats it

C79a5b43dfc5749200bd9dcaa6bb0858

on March 30, 2012
at 08:52 PM

Lance Armstrong doesn't look healthy to me. He looks hungry.

949d4d02ea7d1abd714cc3347c2c6854

(1021)

on February 18, 2013
at 06:42 PM

This part of the thread is kind of funny in 2013.

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05de181d71c1df6304a03566fe821d4b

on September 16, 2012
at 08:30 AM

I think you really don't "fail" at the paleo if done right. Unfortunately this like other diets you have all these quacks that are jumping on the bandwagon, and relaying bad advice. Some people are doing paleo following say an 80/20 rule but eating clean has given their body a break from let say gluten, and then you go on a gluten binge and undo all the good you have done. If you're gluten sensitive, then gluten must be removed completely because the havoc gluten causes lasts months. That being said you still could do your cheat but not with gluten products Then there are other things like on cheat days, consuming stuff high in rancid trans fats. Well trans fats can remain in your system for up to two years from the last time you ingested. People also don't take the time to do it 100% and its hard we are humans. There are so many things that we could be allergic to, casein, nightshades, eggs, watermelon to name a few, and you don't cut those things out. Sometimes people on the paleo diet will eat more "processed" and "feedlot" meats, now they are going all this junk from the processed meat, and an imbalance of the ratio between omega3/6 is thrown way off because of feedlot meats. People need to really read a good paleo book, opt for clean single ingredient foods, 100% grass fed/grass finished meats, free range organic chickens, pastured eggs, pastured pork. the fat profiles of feedlot vs grass fed are so different!

So some people that are doing paleo eat tons of nuts/seeds (full of phytic acid and protease inhibitors, or may have a slight nut allergy), cook with any oil they find, canola/vegetable, pam spray, eat tons of feedlot meats/commercial chicken/eggs and pork products, Then if they are on the 85/15 deal, then after eating all this substandard food they go eat a big mac and fries. See, though they may have done a paleo-ish diet and then they cheat and they don't reap the benefits. They eat prepackaged paleo food (which I don't trust) if you read labels, you see that there are things that I don't think my ancestors had access to, either that or my ancestors were really in the boonies. I believe that these people may not so readily reap the benefits, and then conclude the paleo diet a failure, yet they didn't even give it a chance? Did they try to do an elimination diet, ridding themselves of all possible allergic foods? casein, gluten, nightshades, nuts (even coconut, heaven forbid!), egg, vegetables high in oxalates and waiting a month or so and reintroducing one at a time seeing if there is a adverse affect? or getting tested for such allergens? maybe they have blood glucose dysregulation and a ketogenic paleo would be better?

So... that my take on it, I doubt that illnesses caused by years of fad diets, or following the food pyramid of death, can all be undone in a few weeks or months? For example celiacs with their torn up intestines can take an average of 9.7 years of gluten free living for their intestines to be returned to "normal".

I believe the paleo is a good "template" now just adjust to for what works, but its always better to eat "real" food. I personally don't touch anything that I hadn't prepared myself (Except for these wild caught sardines from wholefoods) I ferment my own vegetables, make my own condiments mayo/ketchup/ceasar salad dressing. I don't do ketchup anymore cause I got rid of nightshades but when I did, I made my own tomato paste from organic tomatoes. I truly make everything from scratch. All my meat is grass fed organic, vegetables organic. I am a male college student most don't even know how to boil water lol. I guess I was lucky, mother was a chef and I used to help in the kitchen a lot. I know money's tight but its cheap for me to eat this way, why?I practice protein restriction, you only need 0.8g of protein per kg of body weight, then because 1 lb of grass fed ground beef cost me $6.99 from there I can get 5-6 servings, so I usually eat to animal meat proteins a day and usually and eggs in the day so that meat last me about 3 days. Still to expensive, go to grass organ meats usually less than $4.99 a lb. Best meal on the go? Avocado they don't need to be organic the skin won't let pesticides through, (carry plastic spoons/knives in your car) Don't have time to prepare food or eat that day? Sound like a good time to do an unplanned intermittent fast. (Also helps save money, if you do it 4 times that's about 52 times a year that a lot of money in your pocket :)

On a curious note, people who have eaten a junky version of paleo still reap benefits? so i guess pseudo-paleo better than the SAD diet any day

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26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

on April 18, 2011
at 04:22 PM

Well, I didn't feel well on very low carb paleo, in ketosis (in particular, my mental health was negatively affected). I consider that a 'failure' as a diet, for me personally.

So I stopped putting my body in ketosis. I still eat 'paleo', but with starch, and feel the best I ever have in my entire life.

1
9ac8a7b68cf079b22de42b703e466e64

(787)

on April 17, 2011
at 04:47 AM

yeah super low-carb paleo left me pretty depressed and lacking of energy. but no failure. just tweaked the carbs, upping them with sweet potatoes, some fruit, and other root vegetables, and now i feel like a beast

05de181d71c1df6304a03566fe821d4b

(795)

on September 16, 2012
at 07:54 AM

Good to hear, I had the opposite, lowering the carbs totally help. You have to tweak, different things work for different people :)

1
77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 17, 2011
at 03:22 AM

What is the definition of success? You probably aren't looking for a philosophical answer, but since you ask us to define failure I think success has also got to be defined.

I am only 3 months in. Lost weight initially, got rid of joint pain. Feel clear. So happy to be off sugar. But not everything I wanted to achieve has appeared through this diet and life style. I don't think I can call Paleo a failure or a success yet. It is a process. I'm happy to be participating in this experiment. It seems to be bringing me in line with what I've always believed about eating real food.

Knowing you are on the right path is a fine feeling, and possibly the highest measure of success an individual can achieve.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on April 17, 2011
at 03:26 AM

So knowing you're on the path to success is possibly the highest measure of success an individual can achieve? Great word sorcery there. I almost thought you said something until I re-read 6 times wondering what the hell it meant.

00617208f2e481c293a2f8ad4d097911

(295)

on April 17, 2011
at 04:04 AM

Anything you can find here: http://paleohacks.com/questions/7058/share-your-paleo-before-and-after

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22923)

on April 17, 2011
at 03:31 AM

It's about the process of real food. Not everyone has to sprint in. :)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on April 17, 2011
at 04:33 AM

@Anonymous Coward, Thanks. I wanted to say something different about this topic, but it's not always easy to say enough, make sense etc. Thanks for the vote of confidence:)

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on April 17, 2011
at 04:15 PM

I like your answer too.....

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on April 17, 2011
at 03:26 AM

Upvoted anyway.

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9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

on April 17, 2011
at 02:10 AM

I feel better, but I'm not losing weight. Well, after the initial 10 pounds, I've been stuck for the last 3 weeks. Unsure if I'm in ketosis or not. shrug

I haven't been too strict on the Whole30 I'm supposed to be doing either, but I've been no-grains no-starch paleo the whole time.

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on April 17, 2011
at 10:43 PM

Yeah, you could mix it up a lot: a week straight of VLC/ketosis (mildly unpleasant perhaps), then a month with just fairly low glucose, then a few weeks doing the cyclic thing like I'm doing now, then back to a paleo-normal fairly low glucose level, and so on.

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on April 17, 2011
at 07:52 AM

Of course you'll have to eat starches, but I personally think starches are our friends. I've been having a starch revolution recently. Squash? Gift from above.

4b97e3bb2ee4a9588783f5d56d687da1

(22923)

on April 17, 2011
at 01:02 PM

Other than a ketogenic experiment, I'm using ketones only during extended fasts... It's not a great constant state IMO

47a42b6be94caf700fce9509e38bb6a4

(9647)

on April 17, 2011
at 07:51 AM

I guess I already posted a comment on your other thread, but why not write a little more here -- I hope you don't mind if I throw out some ideas in a (hopefully) non-pushy way. How about going ketogenic like Dexter proposes, but in cycles? You get the advantage of periods of ketosis but then also the occasional carb "refeed" which can be seen by your body as a signal that you're not starving and thus it will let go of the fat. I've been doing this along with cutting all dairy (and all grains other than rice of course) and I'm losing weight. (Though losing weight wasn't the goal.)

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6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on April 17, 2011
at 01:05 AM

Paleo failure? Imagine you're climbing a tree, and then you accidentally touch an electrical wire...

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on April 17, 2011
at 04:19 PM

Lol".............

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Cc2a43461ec5b2b7ba5d55215ea0f068

on April 17, 2011
at 12:48 AM

Not really here. The weight loss has slowed a bit, but the immune system is much stronger and for that I, my voice teacher and the chorus and the choir are very grateful.

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2507b557331c8a674bc81197531e609a

(4994)

on April 17, 2011
at 12:06 AM

Nope no failure here. No it's not perfect as you say nothing is, but it is based on common sense and science. If you are willing to adapt with the new discoveries and make health choices based on sound scientific evidence, it's not going to go too wrong for a lot of people.

0
7fb5e7849c5d9d8ebdfa9d36786b1fe9

(178)

on February 19, 2013
at 03:54 AM

VLC wrecked me. I thrive on high carb paleo though.

0
77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on February 18, 2013
at 06:09 PM

There are tons of failures. You won't hear it here. The only "success" stories are those who are coming from badly planned vegan diets or those who literally ate big macs and ho hos 24/7.

Ever hear of elite athletes on this diet? In fact the people on Dolce's diet (similar to paleo) all claim the diet was close to useless.

0
089dd41b18fbb95ebb5347cded708d98

(5635)

on January 18, 2013
at 05:57 AM

i hate the word failure, too. i started paleo in august 2012 in hopes of resolving my ulcerative colitis issues. has paleo helped? yes, but SCD has probably helped more. i still had to start TNF inhibitors (humira) because of all the bleeding, weight loss, inflammation. it's very frustrating to think i'm doing everything right for my body, but my body is just resisting. i'm gonna stick to paleo/scd just because i think it's a good diet, but i don't think it can reverse some of the damage done already.

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898324c4cc807cf8c15fd0ddbac31172

on September 16, 2012
at 12:15 AM

I am currently considering myself a paleo failure. I just finished the whole30 and I feel the same even worse in some areas. I still have a very bloated belly, many headaches, stomach pain and extreme fatigue. I was really committed and was inventive with my meals. Towards the end I added winter squashes to try and up my carbs. This helped me stop the diarrhea that the whole30 had caused and allowed me to go back to the bowel movement I was having before. The only good things that I experienced were better blood sugar and my skin looks a little more clear. I want to go back to my old diet (which was based on Sally Fallon's Nourishing Traditions) but I'm afraid to add things back. :(

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Add2c0ce1ddf585c5057c3c0e7ca1a43

on March 30, 2012
at 08:42 PM

Now, I'm not losing lbs, but I've made some changes to my body (maybe an inch off my hips and waist) in 8 weeks, doing crossfit 3X/week.

Am I really paleo? Hmmm, I guess not. I'm trying to combine all the knowledge I've learned everywhere, so here's how my diet looks.

protein whey shakes with spinach, some cream, some raspberries paleo chicken curry turkey and lettuce and 3-4 slices of bacon chicken breast salad walnuts and an apple

Now...have I cheated? 1 night only, I had 1/2 cup of pasta, and 3 cookies. Have I drank?: on 3 nights I had red wine.

Why don't I go TOTAL paleo (translation: no bacon, no cream, no protein shakes)? I think that would just send me into cheating mode, because I feel so deprived. Right now, I can sustain this diet, I have NO CRAVINGS (which is huge in itself), and I feel healthy and energetic. So why change?

Do I need to lose weight? Yes! I could probably benefit from 15 lbs of fat down. I'm about 28% bf.

In my heart of hearts I believe that I could probably lose more weight if I pulled the shakes, the fruit and the bacon. But I think I'd be completely miserable (I was previously a huge grain lover, so I'm feeling this is transition enough.

C79a5b43dfc5749200bd9dcaa6bb0858

on March 30, 2012
at 09:09 PM

Hi wannabehealthy, I think it is best to be honest (like you are) and just work on baby steps. Phase it by waiting until you feel ready to challenge yourself to go the next step. If you know that your indulgences are probably stalling your goals make a plan to remove one thing at a future date and then slowly prepare yourself for it. It's the bite sized approach that will help you be successful with your goals. Too much too soon will just feel like deprivation and that's not what Paleo is about. Best of luck. :-)

Add2c0ce1ddf585c5057c3c0e7ca1a43

on March 31, 2012
at 08:28 PM

Thanks! I am. Today, for example, I've had no protein shakes and only 1/2 an apple. No bacon. Baby steps:)

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A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

on April 18, 2011
at 03:19 PM

I don't expect miracles, so there is no failure. I've been over a year on paleo, so I am not surprised that I still have health issues. Things don't heal over night. I still have allergies (my eye lids have tripled in size), asthma and anxiety. But I am looking forward five, ten years, not weeks or months.

I've hardly lost any fat (but I am not obese) but did put on nice muscles. I still have skin issues (cutting off dairy again), or feel overly tired sometimes... But I don't consider it much a failure, just lack of miracles :)

When I try to think of things that were caused by paleo, I think only occasional constipation... and addiction to dark chocolate and macadamias :P

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C4ed6ba382aed2eefc18e7877999a5de

(1579)

on April 17, 2011
at 01:34 PM

i've had some failure.. i lost a bit of weight which was good (freshman 15 is no fun!) but i also lost my period and am weak/tired much of the time with dizziness upon standing. I IF daily 16-18 hours and have about 2 meals a day with whatever meat/veggies my dining hall has that look innocuous enough. Maybe i'm taking it too strictly? I started out as a 115 lb 5'0 18 year old girl and i'm probably somewhere around 100 lbs now.

00617208f2e481c293a2f8ad4d097911

(295)

on April 17, 2011
at 01:57 PM

Generally I don't recommend doing IF right at the beginning of the switch to Paleo, you're putting your body through a lot of hard changes at the same time. The most common reason for this lack of energy could be the fact that you're not eating enough especially fat, and since your fasting 16-18hours. Why not try upping your good fat intake? If I'm right your dining hall should be following the low fat craze, so what they are offering must be relatively low in fat, and you might be "starving" yourslef. OR it's just the first few weeks, and your body needs to adapt...

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on April 17, 2011
at 01:46 PM

on the other hand, i have kicked my carb cravings, which was the reason i went paleo in the first place... couldn't stand not feeling in control of what i ate

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on April 18, 2011
at 10:07 PM

Thanks for the responses. I think part of the problem is the lack of healthy fats in my dining hall. I will increase my calories and see if that helps. I'm not on birth control so that's not the problem.

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on April 17, 2011
at 02:22 PM

I've been paleo since November and I started IF maybe a month or 2 ago... I don't know if that's a good time frame or not. It's true that the dining hall doesn't have much in the way of good fats, but I do the best I can and eat until I am full, so I wouldn't think I'd be "starving" myself but maybe it's possible?

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on April 18, 2011
at 04:22 PM

If you have no period, and are weak and tired and dizzy, your diet is a failure. Please take care of your body.

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on April 18, 2011
at 02:39 PM

If you've lost your period it sounds like you need to uptake your calories.

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on April 18, 2011
at 06:17 PM

Julia, are you using hormonal birth control? While I agree with the concern here, I did want to point out that I had a similar experience with losing my period entirely even though I was not experiencing any of your other symptoms. Years of being on the pill had made my period very light anyway, and I think the paleo + weight loss just kicked it over the edge. I went off the pill after a couple of months of that in December and have really increased my IF since then, but immediately started having very normal periods.

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on April 27, 2011
at 01:46 AM

I believe Robb Wolf said once that lack of a period can the result of iodine deficiency, and that a lost of Paleos have b/c iodine's present in a lot of processed foods. Maybe try supplementing with some iodized salt?

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on September 16, 2012
at 02:35 AM

Who cares if you're not getting your period? Unless you're trying to get pregnant, it's a non-problem.

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on February 19, 2013
at 04:06 AM

Do more research on IF specifically tailored to females. The info's out there. I think Asprey even had an update on bulletproofexec.com

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on January 18, 2013
at 05:15 AM

I know this posting is old but I am a failure at paleo. It did lose weight but I only did it for two days. The reason I am a failure is because I am a picky eater. I tried salad but I don't like a lot of vegatables. But I brought one and tried adding some fruits for sweetness and I still could not eat the lettuce or the tomatos. It was so nasty to me. I am not a pork eater I been pork free for over 20 years. So that leaves me with fish, chicken and beef. I love chicken breast only and beef. And some kinds of fish I like. I tried to do a bun less hamburger I have maybe 6oz I cooked it on the george Forman. And I ended up getting sick. I don't know if it's because I needed carbs also but I will never eat a bunless hamburger again. I tried other vegatable like sweet potatoes which I love and I got a butternut squash but I never used it. I might use it just to see how it will taste. But I read over some of the comments and I think people fail this diet for different reason. And not every diet is for everyone. What i dislike the most is when people blame the person for the failure like its a perfect fail proof diet and its not. I did nothing wrong i cut off bread and dairy. I only cooked with coconut oil I got from wholefoods. I eat mostly meat some vegatables and fruits. So I know I followed the diet correctly. I researched before buying items to make sure they were ok on paleo. But I lose a total of 40 lbs in 6 months without doing paleo. Eating bread and drinking milk. I even had candy and soda from time to time. I did weekend cheat days. I drunk a lot of water about 2 to 3 liters a day. And I had no vegatable except corn and white potatoes. I decided to do paleo because I wanted to lose weight faster. I was still losing weight with my other diet but I wanted to try to eat more vegatables. But for me the paleo diet did not work. Yea I lost weight but if I can't follow the diet then what good is it to me. By no means am I putting the paleo lifestyle down because it's working for some people. But not everyone is made to do paleo. And not everyone fails because they did something wrong.

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