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Anti-paleo testimonials?

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Created September 27, 2010 at 10:40 PM

While I consider biochemical and evolutionary science to be the most compelling argument for eating Paleo, something that I also find super compelling is the abundance of success stories out there. But the devils advocate in me has always wondered about the other side. There's just got to be people out there who tried paleo but quit--and not necessarily because they failed (re: Melissa's "faileo"), but because they felt crappy or didn't like it.

For example, I have one friend who tried paleo but is attributing his continued blood pressure problems to the diet. I have some more suggestions for him, but he's adamant.

So my question is this: do you know people, either in real life or via the internet, who have sincerely tried paleo and swear that its ineffective/harmful/stupid/etc? And why do you think that is? Did they just not do it properly, or was it truly bad for them, or did they just not feel any benefits worth raving about and therefore quit?

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on April 20, 2012
at 10:39 PM

Haha.. Jenny J, I hear what you are saying... I need to ease up on myself a little. The furthest I've strayed is a steak in a restaurant while on vacation out of town (after carefully reviewing the allergen guide to ensure no gluten or dairy in the seasonings). Out hotel room had a full kitchen and we made the rest of our meals.

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on April 20, 2012
at 10:07 PM

I wonder what causes this? My boyfriend totally finds this too- he feels crappy if he doesn't eat some gluten-free restaurant food or the like every once in a while.

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on April 20, 2012
at 10:05 PM

Seriously some people's "cheat meals" on here make me scratch my head and say seriously? You ate stew at a restaurant? I would be proud of myself if I stuck that close. I go on a Indian food binge every month or so, and I still consider myself "pretty good". Maybe giving myself too much credit...

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on April 20, 2012
at 09:44 PM

"I pretty much just eat the real food I feel like eating until I'm full." That's exactly what I do too. In my case, that happens to be fresh fruit, vegetables and fatty meat plus modest quantities of cream, home-made yogurt and water kefir. But if it were something else then that's what I'd be eating.

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on May 03, 2011
at 02:04 AM

Thanks Joshua, I'm going to have to try that! (by the way, I looked at your website...strongman, eh? I used to lurk at Jesse Marunde's website and the gripboard many years ago.)

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on May 03, 2011
at 01:22 AM

Kamal, my new favorite food is an extra rare prime rib thats been refrigerated overnight, then seared in coconut fat or tallow until crispy on the outside the next day. It got rid of my "crispy chicken skin" blues... and it ends up being the perfect "black and blue" steak. There's always an option for decadent foods even on so called "level two paleo"... POWERUP!

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on April 05, 2011
at 04:22 AM

Type 1 diabetics must take insulin. They just cannot produce insulin, which is needed for protein and carb, and it will lead to excessive blood sugar if insulin is not added. So controlling with diet was never an option there.

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on April 05, 2011
at 03:02 AM

Yeah, my boyfriend said he had the same experience...

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on April 05, 2011
at 02:45 AM

Great point, Nicole!

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on March 05, 2011
at 11:40 AM

surely you could obtain a 2:1 carb/protein ratio eating paleo. Always feeling hungry isn't good.

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on December 15, 2010
at 02:47 PM

Thanks Nicole, I think "guilt, shame, and blame" are totally vile concepts. I eat 2 squares of Lindt 85% dark chocolate every day and feel like I'm having a party. I don't feel like I'm cheating. It is just what I do and have never had greater success with a lifestyle than I am having with paleo.

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on September 29, 2010
at 10:06 PM

I hate the term "cheat meal". It's not cheating! You're making a conscious decision to eat some foods you don't eat on a regular basis. Calling it cheating makes it like a moral judgement or something.

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on September 29, 2010
at 10:03 PM

I eat a lot higher carb than most people here, but I wouldn't call it long-term yet. I hesitate to ever say "detox symptoms" because that's the excuse of the vegans and fruitarians ALWAYS. Feel like crap? You're still detoxing. Or cheating.

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on September 29, 2010
at 08:20 AM

Kamal: My mother is an at-home baker/pastry chef. 'nuff said.

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on September 29, 2010
at 12:03 AM

@Diane - No, it's not a paleo diet at all. Grains, beans, etc. are not eliminated. Sorry, should have been clearer on that. @Tim - I don't think it's really a high fish diet either. It's really more of the classic low-fat MacDougal diet really, just add in a serving of fish here and there.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on September 28, 2010
at 10:30 PM

Yeah, low blood pressure has been my problem too.

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on September 28, 2010
at 06:21 PM

Ikco: when I can fast for 16 hours yet withstand the smell of freshly baked chocolate chip cookies, then the game will be won.

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on September 28, 2010
at 05:53 PM

I read that and don't think they're mostly downfalls at all. Your body fat being a little bit higher is possibly healthier. Percentages we desire of body fat for aesthetics and health are not always equal. As far as being hungry, that's an issue of the macronutrient breakdown and calories you consume and can be fixed with some adjusted meal planning most likely. This is where a coach on your specific foods can help. Tolerance to "bad" foods decreasing is a sign of improved health & defense mechanisms that are no longer battling a constant influx of "bad" foods so the reaction feels stronger

4a1966b5bc00a9aefd3abd63b9913284

on September 28, 2010
at 05:49 PM

Here's the thing I was talking about with the genetic predisposition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Familial_hypercholesterolemia

4a1966b5bc00a9aefd3abd63b9913284

on September 28, 2010
at 05:48 PM

Genetically converting all fat to cholesterol doesn't sound likely, but having a genetic predisposition to now allowing circulating blood cholesterol to properly enter into cells IS a legitimate issue. The diet he put her on is a paleo diet, just not with added luxuries many of us enjoy like avocado or coconut. A paleo diet doesn't dictate what you must eat 100% of the time, but rather is a guide for what not to eat. If what she does works for her and she enjoys the diet/lifestyle, then don't change it. As long as she gets the nutrients she needs, she should be aok.

4a1966b5bc00a9aefd3abd63b9913284

on September 28, 2010
at 05:46 PM

There are MANY factors to why a person wouldn't feel well beyond diet that can include things like environmental toxins or a problem that stemmed from exposure to toxins over a lifetime. Edema (the swelling) and numbness can often be related to impaired detox pathways. Paleo often would help this, but it may exacerbate the issue if his body begins to self-detox and he feels the pain as a result... it often gets worse before it gets better when toxins release back into circulation after having been stored away for a long time.

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on September 28, 2010
at 04:57 PM

Kamal, time shall help. All of my favourite foods and no more than memories for me and posses no emotional or physical attachment whatsoever.

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on September 28, 2010
at 03:22 PM

Low blood pressure, I think. He also experiences numbness in his legs, ONE swollen foot, periodic numbness on the right half of his body, and panic attacks.

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on September 28, 2010
at 02:28 PM

Basically, sounds like he was eating mostly protein. Good way to get 'rabbit fever' as the innuit called it. The body requires fat in order to maintain health.

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on September 28, 2010
at 02:23 PM

i've never heard of a style of eating that would be "low fat paleo". Im supposing it'd be just lean, lean meat and vegetable/fruits with non-fatty dressings?

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

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on September 28, 2010
at 02:09 PM

Seems like once the autoimmune attack on the beta cells gets going, it's hard to stop. Paleo might help slow it down and paleo very likely will make it easier to balance the injected insulin that you will have to take as a type 1, but it doesn't cure all maladies.

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on September 28, 2010
at 02:06 PM

I suspect this problem may be greater in those who don't cheat sorta regularly. The body, digestion, and gut flora adapt to what you eat regularly. I you don't eat sugar/grain for a long time, by the time you finally do, the body will probably not be ready for it. WHereas if you eat, say 3% unhealthy during the week, you are still slightly adapted to digest the unhealthy. For those who may find themselves not in a position to have many food choices, this could be a concern.

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(24543)

on September 28, 2010
at 02:01 PM

Stephen- it's been several months of roughly paleo, and two months of 95% paleo. Unfortunately, dessert is and has always been my favorite thing in the world, so it doesn't look like the craving will ever fully go away.

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on September 28, 2010
at 01:47 PM

thanks for the replies. I will say that for some reason my mind always defaults to "omega 6=vegetables, omega 3=meat" basically. I mean i fully realize that the soycorn feed of ruminants etc messes that up but its stuck in my head:) I do prolly take in more n6 animal fat than may be optimal but i am good amount being strict with avoidance of veg/nut fats to at least allow me some wiggle room, yknow? I got my sardine-consumption strong and regular which hopefully helps.

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on September 28, 2010
at 01:43 PM

i love this reply. I have never been a bodybuilder but i understand the point. Also, although i follow paleo all the way and dont have any personal issues with it, i do believe that if you follow paleo for a good long time that when you do eat sugar, alcohol, bread, etc that it hits you hard. The effects are greater i believe. It doesnt make me want to stop but i think it beseaches longterm commitment.

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on September 28, 2010
at 01:02 PM

Wow, but conversely, I don't think I would cheat if it meant I would die!

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on September 28, 2010
at 12:29 PM

what kind of blood pressure probs? low or high?

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on September 28, 2010
at 12:11 PM

How long have you gone without, took about 6 months of no sugar or cheats to break my cravings, then took 2 "tests" to find out I really don't care for it anymore

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on September 28, 2010
at 12:09 PM

200+g of starches? Not interested in high sugarfruit personally tho, others may be

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on September 28, 2010
at 07:29 AM

@Ben, no need to avoid it, it's just a matter of balance. e.g. assuming your o3:o6 is balanced beforehand from grassfed meat all week, then half a roast chicken a week would add around 10g omega6 to balance out, so you'd need to have one day eating salmon to balance it out to a 1:1 ratio.

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on September 28, 2010
at 03:43 AM

I guess she could do nothing but fish, fruit, and veggies. She better like fruit and veggies though, or it would get really old really fast!

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on September 28, 2010
at 03:40 AM

What counts as high carb?

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on September 28, 2010
at 01:37 AM

Heh, just a high fish paleo diet then? Did the strict diet cut out fake fats/veggie oils, grains and sugars as well? A high seafood/fish diet could certainly be paleo!

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on September 28, 2010
at 01:13 AM

I imagine there are people for whom low carb doesn't work, I bet a high carb paleo would do great, if love to have some long discussions with some long term high carb paleo people :)

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on September 28, 2010
at 12:37 AM

No, don't rethink it! It's just that almost everything I truly enjoy is high omega 6, so I had to make an effort to cut some of it out. Otherwise it would be roasted chicken for dinner, burrito bowl with avocado for lunch, almonds for a snack, etc. If you, too, were an omega 6 addict, it might be worth it to cut some out.

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on September 28, 2010
at 12:06 AM

I never regard my whole roasted chicken to be unhealthy, or unpaleo or whatever, due to its omega 6 load. I know chicken fat does indeed have a good amount of 6 but if i eat no nuts, nut oils, or veg oils and grass fed meat almost all the time, should i rethink my weekly roasted chicken?

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81b6c5dc72256a82e32eb78017bf6e3c

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on September 28, 2010
at 12:22 PM

I think everything works differently depending on the person. Before I went paleo, my body worked wonderfully on the 2:1 carb to protein ratio many bodybuilders (the old school folk, if you will) use. That, of course, included oats and dairy (and more fruit than I take in these days). Now that I've eaten paleo for a year I have noticed changes, and not all good. My body fat percentage rests much higher than it did before, despite also having more lean muscle mass. Also, I am almost always hungry. My body's tolerance for "bad" foods is zero. So, thefew days I choose to eat poorly are hell. Sugar makes me noticeably swell up - and it takes longer than most to get re-regulated. I'm not going to argue that I haven't seen benefits as far as physical performance, but I'd say there are some downfalls.

62ed65f3596aa2f62fa1d58a0c09f8c3

(20807)

on September 28, 2010
at 02:06 PM

I suspect this problem may be greater in those who don't cheat sorta regularly. The body, digestion, and gut flora adapt to what you eat regularly. I you don't eat sugar/grain for a long time, by the time you finally do, the body will probably not be ready for it. WHereas if you eat, say 3% unhealthy during the week, you are still slightly adapted to digest the unhealthy. For those who may find themselves not in a position to have many food choices, this could be a concern.

4a1966b5bc00a9aefd3abd63b9913284

on September 28, 2010
at 05:53 PM

I read that and don't think they're mostly downfalls at all. Your body fat being a little bit higher is possibly healthier. Percentages we desire of body fat for aesthetics and health are not always equal. As far as being hungry, that's an issue of the macronutrient breakdown and calories you consume and can be fixed with some adjusted meal planning most likely. This is where a coach on your specific foods can help. Tolerance to "bad" foods decreasing is a sign of improved health & defense mechanisms that are no longer battling a constant influx of "bad" foods so the reaction feels stronger

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on September 28, 2010
at 01:43 PM

i love this reply. I have never been a bodybuilder but i understand the point. Also, although i follow paleo all the way and dont have any personal issues with it, i do believe that if you follow paleo for a good long time that when you do eat sugar, alcohol, bread, etc that it hits you hard. The effects are greater i believe. It doesnt make me want to stop but i think it beseaches longterm commitment.

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(1132)

on March 05, 2011
at 11:40 AM

surely you could obtain a 2:1 carb/protein ratio eating paleo. Always feeling hungry isn't good.

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on September 27, 2010
at 11:00 PM

I think there are elements of the paleo diet that can be applicable to all. Such as: grassfed meats, lots of veggies, little to no sugar, etc. However, each person is so unique that it's hard to say that 1 particular way of eating will work for all. Especially if you get too detailed (No dairy for everyone, no legumes, even if properly prepared, etc). I do think that there will always be people who won't do well on a seemingly healthy way of eating. It's hard to blame the paleo diet, though, since we don't have food logs, blood test results, etc.

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on April 20, 2012
at 08:54 PM

I tried a strict low carb paleo diet for about 2 months - no potatoes, no rice, very little fruit. Everything I read said I would go through an "adjustment" phase where I felt like crap, but then I'd come out the other side after a few weeks - but it never happened. I started to get weird mood swings very similar to blood sugar highs/lows, was really low energy, couldn't get through my workouts, and felt seriously hungry all the time. I figure if something makes you feel like shit for 2 months, it's probably because it makes you feel like shit - not because you're detoxing or need to be more regimented or whatever.

I still eat paleo, except that I eat as much rice, starchy tubers and fruit as I want, when I want, and I probably don't eat as much meat as some paleo eaters. I don't track calories or macronutrients, I don't take supplements, and I don't have "cheat days." I pretty much just eat the real food I feel like eating until I'm full. This is what works for me - I feel good, my health is good, my energy is good - I think that's the important thing. Not being "super paleo."

Everyone's body is different - eating real food is the main point. The rest is just tinkering to see what's going to work for you.

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on April 20, 2012
at 09:44 PM

"I pretty much just eat the real food I feel like eating until I'm full." That's exactly what I do too. In my case, that happens to be fresh fruit, vegetables and fatty meat plus modest quantities of cream, home-made yogurt and water kefir. But if it were something else then that's what I'd be eating.

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on September 27, 2010
at 11:03 PM

Not exactly anti-paleo, but related: I have not grown to love meat and shrug off bread/sugar. It may come with more time, but many testimonials hinted that this happens.

If I wasn't eating for health, I would still go straight to McDonalds and get a Big Mac meal with a hot-fudge sundae. Sure, I get less hungry than before. But when I get hungry, I would totally choose Doritos over pemmican if health had nothing to do with it. Almost thirty years of lapping up sugar and salt will do that to you, I guess :(

Not to mention that the paleo foods that I liked most before eating paleo (bacon, barbecued pulled pork, rotisserie chicken with crispy skin, almonds) have the highest amounts of omega 6! Damn you, level 2 paleo!

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on September 28, 2010
at 12:06 AM

I never regard my whole roasted chicken to be unhealthy, or unpaleo or whatever, due to its omega 6 load. I know chicken fat does indeed have a good amount of 6 but if i eat no nuts, nut oils, or veg oils and grass fed meat almost all the time, should i rethink my weekly roasted chicken?

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on September 28, 2010
at 12:11 PM

How long have you gone without, took about 6 months of no sugar or cheats to break my cravings, then took 2 "tests" to find out I really don't care for it anymore

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on September 28, 2010
at 04:57 PM

Kamal, time shall help. All of my favourite foods and no more than memories for me and posses no emotional or physical attachment whatsoever.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on September 28, 2010
at 06:21 PM

Ikco: when I can fast for 16 hours yet withstand the smell of freshly baked chocolate chip cookies, then the game will be won.

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on September 29, 2010
at 08:20 AM

Kamal: My mother is an at-home baker/pastry chef. 'nuff said.

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on September 28, 2010
at 07:29 AM

@Ben, no need to avoid it, it's just a matter of balance. e.g. assuming your o3:o6 is balanced beforehand from grassfed meat all week, then half a roast chicken a week would add around 10g omega6 to balance out, so you'd need to have one day eating salmon to balance it out to a 1:1 ratio.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on September 28, 2010
at 01:47 PM

thanks for the replies. I will say that for some reason my mind always defaults to "omega 6=vegetables, omega 3=meat" basically. I mean i fully realize that the soycorn feed of ruminants etc messes that up but its stuck in my head:) I do prolly take in more n6 animal fat than may be optimal but i am good amount being strict with avoidance of veg/nut fats to at least allow me some wiggle room, yknow? I got my sardine-consumption strong and regular which hopefully helps.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on September 28, 2010
at 12:37 AM

No, don't rethink it! It's just that almost everything I truly enjoy is high omega 6, so I had to make an effort to cut some of it out. Otherwise it would be roasted chicken for dinner, burrito bowl with avocado for lunch, almonds for a snack, etc. If you, too, were an omega 6 addict, it might be worth it to cut some out.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on September 28, 2010
at 02:01 PM

Stephen- it's been several months of roughly paleo, and two months of 95% paleo. Unfortunately, dessert is and has always been my favorite thing in the world, so it doesn't look like the craving will ever fully go away.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on May 03, 2011
at 02:04 AM

Thanks Joshua, I'm going to have to try that! (by the way, I looked at your website...strongman, eh? I used to lurk at Jesse Marunde's website and the gripboard many years ago.)

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on May 03, 2011
at 01:22 AM

Kamal, my new favorite food is an extra rare prime rib thats been refrigerated overnight, then seared in coconut fat or tallow until crispy on the outside the next day. It got rid of my "crispy chicken skin" blues... and it ends up being the perfect "black and blue" steak. There's always an option for decadent foods even on so called "level two paleo"... POWERUP!

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on April 05, 2011
at 02:38 AM

I've noticed that when I try to adapt to a strict paleo diet ( I've done this twice) without cheating I get wicked stomach aches, migraines, and food just moves through me. I've done a paleo challenge before where I cheated about 2 meals a week and loved it. My performance went through the roof but I got super skinny. I tried this again a few months back, this time without cheating and it sucked ass. I noticed that if I threw in some beans the stomach ache and migraine went away and I was all around happier.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on April 05, 2011
at 03:02 AM

Yeah, my boyfriend said he had the same experience...

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on April 20, 2012
at 10:07 PM

I wonder what causes this? My boyfriend totally finds this too- he feels crappy if he doesn't eat some gluten-free restaurant food or the like every once in a while.

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on September 28, 2010
at 03:08 PM

The Blue Zoners don't eat strict paleo - veggie based diet, lots of nuts and legumes, soy products in Okinawa.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Zone

http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_buettner_how_to_live_to_be_100.html

I'd say their lifestyle is paleo though - constant physical activity, lowish caloric intake, tight almost tribal community, have a purpose.

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on September 28, 2010
at 02:12 PM

I have a friend who ate lowfat (he avoided it) paleo for 2 months lost a lot of weight and then couldn't sustain it. He wouldn't eat any fat and gained a lot of weight back. Now he doesn't believe in paleo. I tried to help him find what kind of paleo diet to eat but he wouldn't listen. It was probably more vegetarian than paleo, regardless, he wasn't willing to find what worked for him and now he will spread a bad word on paleo eating.

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on September 28, 2010
at 02:28 PM

Basically, sounds like he was eating mostly protein. Good way to get 'rabbit fever' as the innuit called it. The body requires fat in order to maintain health.

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on September 28, 2010
at 02:23 PM

i've never heard of a style of eating that would be "low fat paleo". Im supposing it'd be just lean, lean meat and vegetable/fruits with non-fatty dressings?

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on September 28, 2010
at 12:20 AM

I have one (of sorts)....my mom had some heart issues about a year ago, they found a partial blockage, and the doctor put her on a strict diet that allowed only fish and/or a few fish oil pills for fat, nothing else, no avacado, no coconut, no other meat options. Now, her blockage seems to be reversed, she can exercise at a higher intensity, her blood work numbers are great and she's lost weight. The doctor claimed that the diet was necessary because, genetically, her body converts all fats to cholesterol.

Faced with her mortality, she doesn't want to hear anything else because her current diet has worked. Certainly makes it difficult to argue with her....thoughts?

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on September 29, 2010
at 12:03 AM

@Diane - No, it's not a paleo diet at all. Grains, beans, etc. are not eliminated. Sorry, should have been clearer on that. @Tim - I don't think it's really a high fish diet either. It's really more of the classic low-fat MacDougal diet really, just add in a serving of fish here and there.

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on September 28, 2010
at 05:48 PM

Genetically converting all fat to cholesterol doesn't sound likely, but having a genetic predisposition to now allowing circulating blood cholesterol to properly enter into cells IS a legitimate issue. The diet he put her on is a paleo diet, just not with added luxuries many of us enjoy like avocado or coconut. A paleo diet doesn't dictate what you must eat 100% of the time, but rather is a guide for what not to eat. If what she does works for her and she enjoys the diet/lifestyle, then don't change it. As long as she gets the nutrients she needs, she should be aok.

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on September 28, 2010
at 01:37 AM

Heh, just a high fish paleo diet then? Did the strict diet cut out fake fats/veggie oils, grains and sugars as well? A high seafood/fish diet could certainly be paleo!

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on September 28, 2010
at 03:43 AM

I guess she could do nothing but fish, fruit, and veggies. She better like fruit and veggies though, or it would get really old really fast!

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on September 28, 2010
at 05:49 PM

Here's the thing I was talking about with the genetic predisposition: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Familial_hypercholesterolemia

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on September 28, 2010
at 12:34 PM

Related: Have any paleos gone veg?

Michelle, a type 1 diabetic who was featured in Cordain's newsletter once:

I'm back on insulin and I quit the paleo diet.My sugars started increasing to the 140s-150s in March and I went back on insulin. The diet really wasn't helping. However, I stayed on the paleo diet for a few days but I couldn't take it anymore and started having dairy, grains, and legumes again.

I totally understand. I don't think I could do paleo if I could NEVER EVER cheat or I might die.

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on September 28, 2010
at 01:02 PM

Wow, but conversely, I don't think I would cheat if it meant I would die!

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on September 29, 2010
at 10:06 PM

I hate the term "cheat meal". It's not cheating! You're making a conscious decision to eat some foods you don't eat on a regular basis. Calling it cheating makes it like a moral judgement or something.

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on September 28, 2010
at 02:09 PM

Seems like once the autoimmune attack on the beta cells gets going, it's hard to stop. Paleo might help slow it down and paleo very likely will make it easier to balance the injected insulin that you will have to take as a type 1, but it doesn't cure all maladies.

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on December 15, 2010
at 02:47 PM

Thanks Nicole, I think "guilt, shame, and blame" are totally vile concepts. I eat 2 squares of Lindt 85% dark chocolate every day and feel like I'm having a party. I don't feel like I'm cheating. It is just what I do and have never had greater success with a lifestyle than I am having with paleo.

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on April 05, 2011
at 02:45 AM

Great point, Nicole!

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on April 05, 2011
at 04:22 AM

Type 1 diabetics must take insulin. They just cannot produce insulin, which is needed for protein and carb, and it will lead to excessive blood sugar if insulin is not added. So controlling with diet was never an option there.

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on April 20, 2012
at 10:39 PM

Haha.. Jenny J, I hear what you are saying... I need to ease up on myself a little. The furthest I've strayed is a steak in a restaurant while on vacation out of town (after carefully reviewing the allergen guide to ensure no gluten or dairy in the seasonings). Out hotel room had a full kitchen and we made the rest of our meals.

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on April 20, 2012
at 10:05 PM

Seriously some people's "cheat meals" on here make me scratch my head and say seriously? You ate stew at a restaurant? I would be proud of myself if I stuck that close. I go on a Indian food binge every month or so, and I still consider myself "pretty good". Maybe giving myself too much credit...

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on September 27, 2010
at 11:20 PM

Hey, I love my McDonalds. Not paleo at all but that is where I go once every two months for my "cheat meal". My GI system gladly cleanses it's self of this refined white flour and deep fried potato garbage the next day. I alternate McDonalds one month with a banana split the next. Both are worth a good cleansing. And yes, any self respecting caveman would have eaten the same thing if it was available. :)

However, in a hurry or on the go... fast food will serve just fine. Get whatever burger or chicken sandwich you want, get a side salad, toss the bun and skip the fries.

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