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Am I dying? Help fix me! (Please?) - Hack/Translate my Canadian bloodtest?! Biosig results!? :O

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created May 15, 2012 at 6:25 PM

WARNING: Long read ahead. Make sure you've had your coffee or ALA/N-Acetyl Carnitine Stack

Hi Hackers!

First time poster, long time lurker. I usually don't post questions because they are usually answered on here but I'm wondering about my blood results and I am not sure about the conversion of Canadian/UK results to US numbers. Also a few other questions for the l33t hackers out there.

My main problem: I feel like crap pretty much all the time. I have no energy. I could probably sleep 20 hours out of the day if it was socially possible/acceptable. Post nasal drip at night leads to nasty green stuff inside of my head and I can end up blowing my nose halfway through the day and still find green crap.

Quick Background: Been Paleo for around 9-10 months strict. No alcohol for around a year.

I only cheat with 85% or 90% dark chocolate( a bar a week or so) and around once a month I ram down a So Delicious Chocolate Ice Cream container (It's tiny, like 500ml http://www.turtlemountain.com/products/coconut-milk-ice-creams/chocolate)

I've possibly had gluten exposure over the last 10 months but then again I have no idea as I don't think I'm overly sensitive to gluten (I will decline my own birthday cake so I can't say I've even had gluten since going Paleo.)

I'm Male, 24, fairly healthy, 180lbs(I know, It's a terrible weight for my height), 6'2, 14% BF 20% BIA (Should be lower and I've plateaued for some reason?), exercise 3-4 times a week, low intensity more Strength based like squatting, deadlifts and Bulgarian ring pushups. Standard Paleo diet. Sleep 8-9hrs a night.

If you need any more background/info please ask, I'll provide what I can. I've got a few more test results but I haven't seen that info posted in other places so I'll keep it out of here.

Blood Tests:

Test name - Measurement:

ESR: - 1

hs-C-Reactive Protein: <0.2 - MG/L

Thyroid Stimulating Hormone: 3.27 - MU/L

Vitamin B12: 494 - PMOL/L

Ferritin: 70 - UG/L

Cortisol random SER: 391 - NMOL/L

Growth Hormone: 0.2 - ug/L

Testosterone: 20.1 - NMOL/L

Total Protein: 82 - G/L

Glucose Fasting SER: 4.8 - MMOL/L

Creatinine: 98 - UMOL/L

eGFR: 81 - ML/MIN

Hemoglobin A1C: 0.051 - ??? Mystery Unit ???

Cholesterol: 5.31 - MMOL/L

Triglycerides: 0.53 - MMOL/L

HDL Cholesterol: 1.24 - MMOL/L

LDL: 3.83 - MMOL/L

CHOL/HDL Ratio: 4.28

Doctor said my results are amazing, fantastic. When I asked him what I could improve he said I should become Prime Minister and give him a raise. I know what the general consensus of doctors is in the Paleo/Primal world but his comment was uplifting nonetheless.

So those are my blood results. I have no idea what half of them mean or how to translate them ( I tried using google but I got some really bad/scary numbers with it )

On to my recent Biosignature results...

I did the Zinc taste test. Tasted like water. Was told deficient.

Described symptoms was told B deficient. Prescribed Biotics B12 lozenge.

Was given poliquin digestive enzymes to use with my NOW Super Foods caps. Still no 'warm feeling' even with maximum dose for weeks..

After BF (14%) and BIA (20%) tests I was told I was definitely aromatising ( Turning testosterone into estrogen)

I was told to take the B vitamins, use digestive enzymes, and come back. I'll be seeing the practitioner on Friday. TBH I don't feel any different or better.

So long question into short question: What the hell is wrong with me? Why hasn't paleo fixed it? Am I dying? Why am I stuck around 14% BF and why do I keep losing weight?

I really apologise for the long read and I appreciate if anyone has an answer to any one of these questions or even some insight. I've been trying for years to feel normal and with Paleo I definitely have seen better body comp than I've ever seen in my life (I can see 2 abs! Sometimes!) but I'm more worried about how I feel.

Thank you!

3967ae8ccdd35a794898a892271d27e7

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on May 28, 2012
at 09:57 PM

Sweet, thanks! I've recently been using the Nasal Rinse thing by Neilmed, works much better than that neti pot but this looks legit

45eaf1688c1baf31d687a382b78f451f

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on May 17, 2012
at 12:07 AM

Klaud, this is the one I have: http://www.amazon.com/SinuPulse-Elite-Advanced-Irrigation-System/dp/B001CWT4JI I have had it over a year and have had no issues with it. I think it works really well.

3967ae8ccdd35a794898a892271d27e7

(372)

on May 16, 2012
at 09:30 PM

Any recommendation on which brand of irrigator to get?

3967ae8ccdd35a794898a892271d27e7

(372)

on May 16, 2012
at 09:05 PM

@Ambews - No worries! Any stabs at this are appreciated! You're right in the sense that the problem/solution can be right under your nose the whole time.

3967ae8ccdd35a794898a892271d27e7

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on May 16, 2012
at 09:04 PM

It looks like fat and feels like fat which is weird, I shouldn't be seeing such a change in 3 days. I'm cutting out fruit for 3 or 4 days to see what happens! And I thought light bulbs are bad for you? Lack of light is bad too though. Hard to find a balance sometimes :D

3967ae8ccdd35a794898a892271d27e7

(372)

on May 16, 2012
at 09:01 PM

Very solid point.

D5dff6376e17373751ccf4a10aaa0b34

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on May 16, 2012
at 02:39 PM

@Klaud Sorry my comment wasn't very helpful, just relating my experience because it sounds a LOT like yours. I tinkered and tinkered and had tests done. I thought i was eating a ton of food and I was never hungry. I still hit a wall that I recovered from by just letting go for a while, accepting my shortcomings and just eating regular stuff for a while. Paleo can't fix everything. Your situation might be completely different, but please just remain open to the possibility you might want to relax things for a bit. Eat mountain of just rice for a few days maybe:) Good luck, hang in there!

45eaf1688c1baf31d687a382b78f451f

(502)

on May 16, 2012
at 11:43 AM

Definitely see a doctor about your sinuses Klaud. Make sure the doctor checks for fungal as well as bacterial infections. I agree, a neti pot is pretty worthless, but my sinus irrigator (which is electrically controlled to deliver saline rinses) has been tremendously helpful.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on May 16, 2012
at 06:33 AM

I live indoors most of the time due to studies, but what you can do is buy 1 or 2 250W-incandescent light bulbs and let them shine on you. Does fruit make you fat, or is it just water weight...?

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on May 16, 2012
at 06:28 AM

*"I seriously think my doctor was trying to kill me (or create some kind of super bug)"* My doctor gave me antibiotics for sinus issues too, I ended up so inflamed that (1) I got terrible lupus (2) I couldn't walk in the city anymore with my eyes open. Worst time of my life ever, but now that I think of it it must have been pretty funny. Nothing on your list, except maybe the surgery, helps me. Neti pots do nothing, probiotics and prebiotics don't do anything either. My sinus infection is way down since last year though.

3967ae8ccdd35a794898a892271d27e7

(372)

on May 16, 2012
at 01:27 AM

And will do on asking my doc about sinuses. Hmm I am sensing you are on to something for sure Heather! I'll check in here again and let you know

3967ae8ccdd35a794898a892271d27e7

(372)

on May 16, 2012
at 01:26 AM

Holy crap you may be on to something. I thought bacterial infection for a while. I've been to different docs and they all prescribed different antibiotics which did nothing. Let me try to gather my thoughts in point form.. 1) I'll look into this, as breathing is sometimes difficult. I am allergic to stuff but I don't think its too bad. 2) yes, neti pot and the other spray bottle thing work but I wouldn't say they're the most effective products for me. 3) I've been ramping up probiotics recently because I've come to realise how many antibiotics I had ingested as a kid. 4) Any suggestions?

3967ae8ccdd35a794898a892271d27e7

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on May 15, 2012
at 11:44 PM

@Korion - Good reply! a)nutrients are spot on but my one issue may be poor digestion. b) salt is low-average c)not enough, I am a Canadian with a job indoors. d)I've started to mix some more fruit in but body comp changes are already visible after 3 days e) yes but rarely do i have BB f) nuts I've almost cut out completely as of a month ago and fish every day or every other day

3967ae8ccdd35a794898a892271d27e7

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on May 15, 2012
at 11:21 PM

@nandalal_rasiah You got it spot on. I am avoiding dairy for 3 weeks though. After that we will see what we can do about real ice cream. @ambews - I eat a LOT, sometimes to the point of regretting it. I usually try to eat until I am no longer hungry though. @Klaud - oh, thats me.

3967ae8ccdd35a794898a892271d27e7

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on May 15, 2012
at 11:10 PM

Hi Melissa, You're spot on about almost everything. The problem is that I've had this issue from around age 18 (when you're supposed to be invincible) so I am trying to be as strict as possible in hopes my body will hit a reset and fix itself. - I do not measure calories per day as I don't like doing it and I am pretty lazy. I'm sure I don't under-eat as I always eat to satiety or past that point. @jesuisjuba I have recently ramped up carbs quite a bit due to this fact. I have sweet potato daily, so I didnt think it to be an issue. Ive now included white potato and more beets.

3967ae8ccdd35a794898a892271d27e7

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on May 15, 2012
at 10:54 PM

@Melissa - I do salt my food, and have recently taken to eating seaweed wraps for iodine intake. @VB - It's good but nothing beats Hagen Daz! :D - 1. I pretty much eat Paleo Solution/Everyday Paleo menu, portions are pretty big, I don't measure but I eat a bit past satiety for muscle hypertrophy someday lol. 2- I'm doing something similar for a few weeks, no eggs or beef, checking to see possible allergies. 3 - I would be, what kind of herbs? Chinese medicine style? 4 - Those are the main symptoms. Mucous, PND, Terrible Energy almost always. 5 - 6 years ago or so?

D5dff6376e17373751ccf4a10aaa0b34

(274)

on May 15, 2012
at 09:27 PM

+1 on this, I went through the same thing. I just could not get it through my head that I wasn't eating enough and it caused major problems. I was addicted to the feeling I got for the first 6 months of low carb strict paleo and got used to less calories. Then I hit a wall until I mentally let go and just ate more, including things I considered cheats including carby stuff and even grains occasionally.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on May 15, 2012
at 07:02 PM

Great ice-cream! I wish I could have some... I have some questions. 1. could you post your daily menu with portion sizes? 2. Have you tried liver detox regimen? (Lots of cabbage family, onion family, no red meat for one week - only fish and chicken, and real lemon juice? 3. Would you be interested in trying herbs? 4. low energy and post nasal drip - are those two many symptoms, nothing else? 5. When did you first noticed low energy?

284213562569be43dfda0ad40914da6f

on May 15, 2012
at 07:02 PM

@melissa, I think "biosignature" refers to Charles Poliquin and his nine billion theories (that's right, THEORIES) about health, strength and conditioning. He's a very influential S&C coach and i believe still has a huge facility in St. Louis for pro athletes. Totally agree about more real ice cream. Dude needs to lighten up. and regarding losing weight, you might look into increasing rather than decreasing calories the leaner you become. Otherwise you face the trap that nearly all BBers fall into after getting as lean as they can.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on May 15, 2012
at 07:02 PM

also what is your BP like? Do you salt your food?

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on May 15, 2012
at 06:53 PM

yeah, ice cream is good boost temporarily, then you can switch back to paleo-approved carb sources later and the ice cream can help you determine what level of carbs you thrive on.

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on May 15, 2012
at 06:52 PM

I'm with Melissa. Also - due to all your strength training, are you eating enough carbs? Your mentioning not being able to keep the weight on "dinged" with me as that was my deal. When I upped the carbs my weight increased appropriately and muscle building was back on track. Tubers, sweet potatoes, other root veg..

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9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on May 15, 2012
at 06:45 PM

How come the assumption is always that people with problems aren't strict enough. What if the issue is that you are too strict? It sounds crazy, but what if you ate MORE ice cream? Like every night? And I mean REAL ice cream, not some faux coconut milk concoction? And you cut out a day of exercise? I can almost guarantee you will feel better if you do this. I've been where you've been and I know a lot of people who have. I wouldn't recommend this to anyone who was overweight, but for the people who tend towards low-energy, low-calories, strict diets, and high activity, I think your symptoms are really common.

Do you know what your daily calorie consumption is like?

Also, I haven't heard of the Biosignature thing, but it sounds like a lot of unnecessary and questionable tests.

3967ae8ccdd35a794898a892271d27e7

(372)

on May 15, 2012
at 11:10 PM

Hi Melissa, You're spot on about almost everything. The problem is that I've had this issue from around age 18 (when you're supposed to be invincible) so I am trying to be as strict as possible in hopes my body will hit a reset and fix itself. - I do not measure calories per day as I don't like doing it and I am pretty lazy. I'm sure I don't under-eat as I always eat to satiety or past that point. @jesuisjuba I have recently ramped up carbs quite a bit due to this fact. I have sweet potato daily, so I didnt think it to be an issue. Ive now included white potato and more beets.

D5dff6376e17373751ccf4a10aaa0b34

(274)

on May 15, 2012
at 09:27 PM

+1 on this, I went through the same thing. I just could not get it through my head that I wasn't eating enough and it caused major problems. I was addicted to the feeling I got for the first 6 months of low carb strict paleo and got used to less calories. Then I hit a wall until I mentally let go and just ate more, including things I considered cheats including carby stuff and even grains occasionally.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on May 15, 2012
at 06:53 PM

yeah, ice cream is good boost temporarily, then you can switch back to paleo-approved carb sources later and the ice cream can help you determine what level of carbs you thrive on.

Ce7e28769d92d5de5533e775b1de966e

on May 15, 2012
at 06:52 PM

I'm with Melissa. Also - due to all your strength training, are you eating enough carbs? Your mentioning not being able to keep the weight on "dinged" with me as that was my deal. When I upped the carbs my weight increased appropriately and muscle building was back on track. Tubers, sweet potatoes, other root veg..

284213562569be43dfda0ad40914da6f

on May 15, 2012
at 07:02 PM

@melissa, I think "biosignature" refers to Charles Poliquin and his nine billion theories (that's right, THEORIES) about health, strength and conditioning. He's a very influential S&C coach and i believe still has a huge facility in St. Louis for pro athletes. Totally agree about more real ice cream. Dude needs to lighten up. and regarding losing weight, you might look into increasing rather than decreasing calories the leaner you become. Otherwise you face the trap that nearly all BBers fall into after getting as lean as they can.

3967ae8ccdd35a794898a892271d27e7

(372)

on May 15, 2012
at 11:21 PM

@nandalal_rasiah You got it spot on. I am avoiding dairy for 3 weeks though. After that we will see what we can do about real ice cream. @ambews - I eat a LOT, sometimes to the point of regretting it. I usually try to eat until I am no longer hungry though. @Klaud - oh, thats me.

3967ae8ccdd35a794898a892271d27e7

(372)

on May 16, 2012
at 09:05 PM

@Ambews - No worries! Any stabs at this are appreciated! You're right in the sense that the problem/solution can be right under your nose the whole time.

D5dff6376e17373751ccf4a10aaa0b34

(274)

on May 16, 2012
at 02:39 PM

@Klaud Sorry my comment wasn't very helpful, just relating my experience because it sounds a LOT like yours. I tinkered and tinkered and had tests done. I thought i was eating a ton of food and I was never hungry. I still hit a wall that I recovered from by just letting go for a while, accepting my shortcomings and just eating regular stuff for a while. Paleo can't fix everything. Your situation might be completely different, but please just remain open to the possibility you might want to relax things for a bit. Eat mountain of just rice for a few days maybe:) Good luck, hang in there!

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B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

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on May 15, 2012
at 07:38 PM

I think Melissa makes a great point (like always :) ). While a strict diet, at first, seemed to cure a whole lot of my issues, becoming more and more strict just brought back problems, until after a certain time I became almost as sick as on a raw vegan diet again. I'll definitely get down-voted for bringing up Ray Peat again, but someone needs to mention it :

  • How's your nutrient intake? Do you use cron-o-meter or something similar to check whether you're low on specific things? Using supplements is cool, but it's pretty easy to use real food instead, and much more safe. I think calcium is probably the most important one to look at, since you clearly avoid dairy (you eat coconut milk ice cream so I assume you don't). Also, a strict paleo diet is likely high in phosphorus compared to calcium, because of the high intake of veggies and probably the high intake of muscle meat (again, an assumption). Like Ray Peat says, muscle meat is essentially a processed food.
  • How's your salt intake (eg. what Melissa says)?
  • How much (sun)light do you get? Not just for the vitamin-D but for the red light too.
  • How's your carbohydrate intake? If you eat high-protein without enough carbs, you'll probably end up with low blood sugar.
  • Did you try bone broth or gelatin?
  • How's your PUFA intake (eg. nuts & fish)?

3967ae8ccdd35a794898a892271d27e7

(372)

on May 15, 2012
at 11:44 PM

@Korion - Good reply! a)nutrients are spot on but my one issue may be poor digestion. b) salt is low-average c)not enough, I am a Canadian with a job indoors. d)I've started to mix some more fruit in but body comp changes are already visible after 3 days e) yes but rarely do i have BB f) nuts I've almost cut out completely as of a month ago and fish every day or every other day

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on May 16, 2012
at 06:33 AM

I live indoors most of the time due to studies, but what you can do is buy 1 or 2 250W-incandescent light bulbs and let them shine on you. Does fruit make you fat, or is it just water weight...?

3967ae8ccdd35a794898a892271d27e7

(372)

on May 16, 2012
at 09:04 PM

It looks like fat and feels like fat which is weird, I shouldn't be seeing such a change in 3 days. I'm cutting out fruit for 3 or 4 days to see what happens! And I thought light bulbs are bad for you? Lack of light is bad too though. Hard to find a balance sometimes :D

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on May 16, 2012
at 04:25 AM

Though a lot of people use paleo/primal to eat low carb, it isn't actually a low carb diet. You can't just blindly follow health gurus. Even that dude who is the leader of the Fruititarians must be doing something right -- FOR HIS OWN BODY.

Clearly if something isn't working for you for so long, you need to experiment or stop and re-evaluate what you are doing!

3967ae8ccdd35a794898a892271d27e7

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on May 16, 2012
at 09:01 PM

Very solid point.

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45eaf1688c1baf31d687a382b78f451f

on May 16, 2012
at 01:16 AM

I'm going to take this in a totally different direction, although I totally agree with Melissa. The two symptoms you describe (low energy and green mucus) could be a bacterial infection. I had the same thing. For years. Do you have any allergies?

I was treated for this sinus infection conventionally (read: antibiotics). I seriously think my doctor was trying to kill me (or create some kind of super bug). I finally looked into alternatives about two years ago and here's what helped:

  1. Sinus surgery. I had a lot of scar tissue build-up due to the fact that I was allergic to EVERYTHING as a child. Having surgery to open up my sinus passages helped immensely.
  2. Saline rinses. And not with a neti pot. I bought a SinuPulse. Awesome machine -- gets that green gunk cleaned out effectively.
  3. Probiotics. Because I had been on antibiotics for over five years. My body was a slum of nasty bacteria.
  4. Prebiotics. To help feed the probiotics and make them strong.

But I would recommend your doctor examine your sinuses to determine if you have some kind of infection,and if you do, whether it's viral or bacterial or fungal, and go from there.

45eaf1688c1baf31d687a382b78f451f

(502)

on May 16, 2012
at 11:43 AM

Definitely see a doctor about your sinuses Klaud. Make sure the doctor checks for fungal as well as bacterial infections. I agree, a neti pot is pretty worthless, but my sinus irrigator (which is electrically controlled to deliver saline rinses) has been tremendously helpful.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on May 16, 2012
at 06:28 AM

*"I seriously think my doctor was trying to kill me (or create some kind of super bug)"* My doctor gave me antibiotics for sinus issues too, I ended up so inflamed that (1) I got terrible lupus (2) I couldn't walk in the city anymore with my eyes open. Worst time of my life ever, but now that I think of it it must have been pretty funny. Nothing on your list, except maybe the surgery, helps me. Neti pots do nothing, probiotics and prebiotics don't do anything either. My sinus infection is way down since last year though.

3967ae8ccdd35a794898a892271d27e7

(372)

on May 16, 2012
at 01:27 AM

And will do on asking my doc about sinuses. Hmm I am sensing you are on to something for sure Heather! I'll check in here again and let you know

3967ae8ccdd35a794898a892271d27e7

(372)

on May 16, 2012
at 01:26 AM

Holy crap you may be on to something. I thought bacterial infection for a while. I've been to different docs and they all prescribed different antibiotics which did nothing. Let me try to gather my thoughts in point form.. 1) I'll look into this, as breathing is sometimes difficult. I am allergic to stuff but I don't think its too bad. 2) yes, neti pot and the other spray bottle thing work but I wouldn't say they're the most effective products for me. 3) I've been ramping up probiotics recently because I've come to realise how many antibiotics I had ingested as a kid. 4) Any suggestions?

3967ae8ccdd35a794898a892271d27e7

(372)

on May 16, 2012
at 09:30 PM

Any recommendation on which brand of irrigator to get?

45eaf1688c1baf31d687a382b78f451f

(502)

on May 17, 2012
at 12:07 AM

Klaud, this is the one I have: http://www.amazon.com/SinuPulse-Elite-Advanced-Irrigation-System/dp/B001CWT4JI I have had it over a year and have had no issues with it. I think it works really well.

3967ae8ccdd35a794898a892271d27e7

(372)

on May 28, 2012
at 09:57 PM

Sweet, thanks! I've recently been using the Nasal Rinse thing by Neilmed, works much better than that neti pot but this looks legit

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