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After a Depression and several binges I desperate need help turning back to paleo

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Created April 09, 2013 at 3:50 PM

Hello,

I was a 5 months paleo enthusiast just before 10 days. Then I just started with a 5 day binge (10 000 cal. more ) due to a deep depression and a lot of stress. I actually did that conciously. I needed something new. New life, new friends, new foods, new home, new everything. I feel like shit for 2 months now and I have had a lot of problems in this time.

SO

I went to my parents home for 5 days

AND

just slept / watched movies / went out with family and friends and enjoyed a lot of foods that I havent eaten for 5 months. I had absolutely no wish to exercise. I just wanted the emotional pain to go away.

SO it helped. I felt refreshed. I dont think this 10000 cals were wrong. I know they were gluten, sugar, meat, fruits, fats and whatsoever but they gave me a kickstart to feel something new.

So actually I dont have the need any more to be paleo. I cant look at meat and definitely dream of rice and bread.

AND thats my problem. I want to be paleo but somehow I dont have the motivation any more. I dont want to cook the food with me, I want to eat everything. I know it sounds stupid, but what Im saying is, can this be just a mind trick? Could my mind just trick me and better do the paleo without motivation and later find the benefits again?

Did you have such a crisis? A 10-day all-food-binging and just wondering if paleo is actually the healthiest diet in the world?

I want to be paleo, but I need an advice how to overcome such a mind crisis. Everytime I see some protein bread I think: so, you could eat everything in moderation and also be good. Why is this extreme diet? And 2 weeks ago I thought: Youk, bread produces cellulite, uneffective hormones and is for the weak willed people. So hands off. :D

Thanks for the answers, Penelope :) :) ;)

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on April 10, 2013
at 06:44 PM

Thanks. I will. Today was too stressful from work to resist the afternoon hot chocolate with chocolates. However I know my poor body hates it and until last week I was totally clean and eating well, even though it was lots of food particularly nuts and raisins. I will keep experimenting. I know if I eat fewer carbs and get off the chocolate I would lose weight of course. It is the inability to do what you want to do which is so hard for some (and really easy for those with an iron will)

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on April 10, 2013
at 02:56 AM

also avoid fructan sources (wheat, onions/garlic, etc)

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on April 10, 2013
at 02:56 AM

to help with binging, eliminate ALL sources of fructose and sweet taste upon your new Paleo diet. for me, the true cause of binging is sugar whether its added in small amounts (i.e. wheat products) or not. Cut out everything except meats/fats/eggs/seafoods, very low fructose vegs (leafy greens), no fruits/dairy and low fructose starches - white rice, white potato and asian yams. drink tea/coffee but not diet sodas

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on April 09, 2013
at 08:52 PM

I'm sorry you're in a tough spot. I suffer from the need/desire to eat large meals that leave me with a "stuffed" feeling. Luckily for me, whole fruit (such as a grapefruit and a banana) plus a huge salad of greens and low-starch vegetables AND my main serving of meat and/or tubers satisfies that need. If I still find myself with an urge for something sweet, a nice small portion of dark chocolate is enough since I'm already stuffed. Keep experimenting! You may find a routine that works.

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on April 09, 2013
at 07:37 PM

Excellent, I am looking forward to your results post!

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on April 09, 2013
at 07:05 PM

This is actually an really good idea! AND actually I am making a "paleo proclamation" :D After 30 days from tomorrow on I will be strictly paleo and, in the hope of helping other people with the same problem like me now, I will post my results in and out to motivate others. Thank you for that. That site is simple, but the people are really amazingly helpful!

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on April 09, 2013
at 07:02 PM

Good point, thanks! My depression came from financial problems, lack of (good) friends, extreme pressure in college(12-16 h studying since september 2011, rest only when I cant do any more) and loneliness + unfulfilling just-physical- relationships. Anyway, I know now the reason and can overcome it. Trainings and paleo gave me a new lifestyle, but I need to modify it a lil bit. All the best :) :) :) :)

1962b160073677e814e89c050bcaa47c

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on April 09, 2013
at 05:16 PM

Thank you for your understanding! It may sound banal, but in such times people really need this kind of nice words :) :) You are actually right : the more you eat the crap, the more you crave it. I will try to overcome this kind of feelings and feel free again. All the best Penelope

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on April 09, 2013
at 04:30 PM

You're more than welcome! It's difficult. I know. I'm new to this but without the help from my best friend, I wouldn't be where I am now. And it's so far, very worth it :)

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at 04:04 PM

justinz, thanks for the answer!! I appreciate it :) The best thing about not being paleo is that you can always eat cheap outside (fitness wraps) without food preparation and can enjoy a better social life. The worst thing about this ''benefit'' is that after a while you become the same non vibrant person as 90% of the population. :D Why that shit? So... this post had no meaning, but yes, I must motivate myself again. It is worth it :(

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on April 09, 2013
at 06:40 PM

Just an idea: You have just had a SAD binge, take note of how you feel, think, look, your cravings etc write it all down and include whatever else is important to you. Ok, now commit to 30 days of clean paleo eating no SAD foods, basically a whole 30. Then at the end of the 30 days take note of all the things you took note of after your SAD binge. Compare both lists openly and honestly and decide for you what makes you feel, think, look etc the best. After you have thought about what is really important to you and given both ways of eating and living a fair trial then decide how you want to approach your future. Remember, this is about you and what is best for you and what is best for you may not be what everyone else thinks it is. 30 days is a drop in the bucket, give it a go and see who emerges on the other side.

1962b160073677e814e89c050bcaa47c

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on April 09, 2013
at 07:05 PM

This is actually an really good idea! AND actually I am making a "paleo proclamation" :D After 30 days from tomorrow on I will be strictly paleo and, in the hope of helping other people with the same problem like me now, I will post my results in and out to motivate others. Thank you for that. That site is simple, but the people are really amazingly helpful!

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on April 09, 2013
at 07:37 PM

Excellent, I am looking forward to your results post!

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on April 09, 2013
at 10:39 PM

AND thats my problem. I want to be paleo but somehow I dont have the motivation any more. I dont want to cook the food with me, I want to eat everything. I know it sounds stupid, but what Im saying is, can this be just a mind trick? Could my mind just trick me and better do the paleo without motivation and later find the benefits again?

Btw, Paleo should have a "student template". For the high school & university students, whom, I'd imagine have at least 3 or 4 priorities higher than that of strict dietary adherence.

Although not a student, I'm trying very hard to avoid becoming that stereotypical vegetarian whose life centers around food. I want diet as an almost automatic, background process and not as a constant waste of cognitive processing time.

I'm thinking lifecycle-wise, most students should do a relaxed 80/20. And perhaps go more strict only later on in life.

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on April 09, 2013
at 03:53 PM

I went through a similar problem. I think the best thing to do is try to find friends and work together. It's much easier to change a life style if you have someone to be there, keeping tabs on you. You seem to be aware of the long term benefits of this life style so you just need help in the short term.

Best of luck! :)

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on April 09, 2013
at 04:30 PM

You're more than welcome! It's difficult. I know. I'm new to this but without the help from my best friend, I wouldn't be where I am now. And it's so far, very worth it :)

1962b160073677e814e89c050bcaa47c

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on April 09, 2013
at 04:04 PM

justinz, thanks for the answer!! I appreciate it :) The best thing about not being paleo is that you can always eat cheap outside (fitness wraps) without food preparation and can enjoy a better social life. The worst thing about this ''benefit'' is that after a while you become the same non vibrant person as 90% of the population. :D Why that shit? So... this post had no meaning, but yes, I must motivate myself again. It is worth it :(

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on April 10, 2013
at 06:14 PM

I'm so sorry to hear about your stress and issues that you have dealt with. Stress is a very difficult thing to cope with and get over.

I think that finding like-minded friends through your gym or other avenue, would be a great move for you. They can provide the support you need to continue on your Paleo journey.

You can definitely do this and make the change if it's what you truly want.

All the best!

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on April 10, 2013
at 02:51 AM

Hi good on you posting this, its the first step. The fact you have posted it makes me feel you are wanting to get back on track now finding the motivation. I will tell you my story.

I was diagnosed with celiac and decided to go paelo. I knew my insides were dying, even with this I still could not get motivated to go fully Paelo. I was feeling sick every time i had anything with gluten in it, how stupid of me but still did it. I know now I was in denial, I didn't want to admit i had celiac and I didn't want to be different. I am over that now. The most important thing for me is to feel well, that is my motivation, every day I wake up feeing well (which I have only just started to) I am grateful and I take one day at a time. Throughout the day I remind myself of this. I know a lot of us look to far ahead, when we do that we think I am deprived, I will never be able to eat what I love ever again. Now when I get up I say today I am not going to eat gluten... then the next day do the same. I am now at the point where the cravings have gone but not the memory of feeling sick. Good luck in your journey!

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on April 09, 2013
at 06:53 PM

It's funny you should post this today. I've been doing paleo for about 2 years and have found that, increasingly, over the last 6 months my mood has been getting lower and lower. On days after I run or workout vigorously I'm REALLY low and don't have the energy to do basic household chores. Yesterday, I decided to experiment by adding in some more carbs to my diet. I had a sweet potato with chicken at dinner yesterday and noticed my mood and energy pick up significantly. Yesterday was a run day, so I was pleased to when I woke up feeling energetic this morning and am not struggling with depression. I guess this is my way of saying that your body might be telling you that it needs a few more carbs (high quality and not in the form of binges).

HTH!

1962b160073677e814e89c050bcaa47c

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on April 09, 2013
at 07:02 PM

Good point, thanks! My depression came from financial problems, lack of (good) friends, extreme pressure in college(12-16 h studying since september 2011, rest only when I cant do any more) and loneliness + unfulfilling just-physical- relationships. Anyway, I know now the reason and can overcome it. Trainings and paleo gave me a new lifestyle, but I need to modify it a lil bit. All the best :) :) :) :)

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on April 09, 2013
at 06:42 PM

I'm sorry that you are having a tough time, I will keep you in my thoughts. It's good on you that you're working on getting back in gear, I'm rooting for you.

I have found that sugar and sweet fruits are the hardest things for me to get out of my head after eating them. Even though I know it makes me sad and makes my skin explode, I just want more. So, I focus on JUST eliminating that for the first week (or however long it takes to stop craving it), even though I might still be eating too much of something else that's not that good for me. Maybe sugar isn't your "worst food", but I'm sure you know what is. Maybe you could try this method of just weeding out your worst offender first.

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on April 09, 2013
at 06:26 PM

Some of your statements demonstrate good awareness of what is clearly an internal conflict.

Part of you feels you should be paleo, for logical reasons, and part of you doesn't want to be paleo because you want to keep eating some of your favored non-paleo foods. I went through this exact conversation with myself during and after my 1st year on paleo, and based on this site and others a significant number of people run into the same thing.

While you are divided in your desires, you are likely to waffle back and forth. When you're on paleo, eating those prohibited foods will be your most sincere craving; while you're on a binge, you'll keep thinking you should really go back to paleo.

If you are a person who can do so, one option is to eat paleo 90% of the time and once in a while have a small non-paleo item. Based on your "10,000 calorie" comment, that may not be your solution.

Otherwise, for as long as you continue to have conflicting goals, your results will probably resemble those we see in the US Congress. Sorry, but that's true.

All I can suggest is to keep reading and thinking. In addition to reading recommended approaches to nutrition, including paleo, how about reading about illnesses and conditions seen in people eating SAD? Is eating junk now worth the price you may pay in 5, 10, 20 or 30 years? What would be your worst health nightmare, and is your desired eating likely to increase your vulnerability to that? Much like smokers and others with potentially self-destructive habits, you really need to consider what your risks are and how strongly you wish to avoid those.

I'm 66 and my circle of friends includes people younger and older than I am. Regardless of age, the group breaks down into 2 segments: those seeking relief, any relief, from symptoms/fears and those who don't give a *^%#. The relief-seekers are more interested in changing their habits, of course, but once you have a problem it's a little late to do much about it. Those who don't care happily list their issues and keep right on with their habits.

You need to decide in which group you belong.

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on April 09, 2013
at 06:24 PM

Purchase a new cookbook, find a new blog or reread some of the things that got you to Paleo in the first place, find a Paleo buddy or support system, do a 30 day Paleo challenge.

Just do something that gets you excited about it! Good luck :)

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on April 09, 2013
at 04:39 PM

I'm really sorry to hear about the stress you've been under. Sometimes there's nothing like the comfort of home to help you bounce back. :)

Reading your post I can't help but feel a little like you want to be talked into changing you lifestyle back. No one can do that for you. It's got to be wholly your choice or it is never going to stick. For me, the reasons I continue with this lifestyle are mainly because of the results I've seen since I started and how much better I feel both mentally and physically. However, all the research that I've done and seen indicate how bad certain foods are for my health. When I occasionally crave something not Primal I remind myself the reasons why I don't eat those foods. It's purely a mental exercise. I do however find that after I eat something less on the healthy food side, like a bit of dark chocolate, I begin to crave the bad foods more. After a week or so though, the carvings subside and reaffirm for me that my body doesn't really need or want those things.

Remember, being Paleo or Primal is only as restrictive and extreme as you make it for yourself. If this is what you really want you are going to need a good inner monologue and a strong willpower to get past this bump in the road. I wish you nothing but the best of luck!

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on April 09, 2013
at 05:16 PM

Thank you for your understanding! It may sound banal, but in such times people really need this kind of nice words :) :) You are actually right : the more you eat the crap, the more you crave it. I will try to overcome this kind of feelings and feel free again. All the best Penelope

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on April 09, 2013
at 09:45 PM

Go to church. Weekly. It's a good place to meet new people, to find worthwhile things to do, to have a routine, to get spiritual guidance, and also to have a healthy source of that "keeping up with the Jones" social pressure.

I don't do it (as a social Darwinist on a Paleo board, church is not for me... except to play ping pong on their ping pong tables), but it seems right for many. Whether you're religious or not.

P.S. - Don't forget to donate for the use of their facilities. Especially if you're atheist.

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on April 09, 2013
at 08:27 PM

Sugar and junk food are addictive. Your post rang bells for me as I had thought my greatest achievement of this year was eating paleo/well again and I was so proud of myself and it was to be the start of losing the extra 30 pounds and then I was sick. I had two periods in a month (age 51) for first time ever - imagine a double does of PMT, a double does of pre menstrual bloating and weight gain... dire and presumably the start of a decade of that and I felt so ill despite eating well.

Usually when I eat well I don't catch germs so if the good eating wasn't stopping the illness and despite the good eating I was fatter than I've ever been except when having babies you being to think what is the point? You go on dates and feel totally undesirable, as if you are wearing some kind of fat suit . Obviously 8it's clear why I put on weight because whatever I eat whether fat, fruit, nuts or junk I always have huge capacity to eat much more than anyone.

One of my teenagers has decided to bulk up - he's about 98 pounds only and if I look at the nuts he is trying to eat, it's about a quarter of my own quantities. I would have survived for so long without food, such massive capacity my efficient body to store fat whether I am on meat/fat, nuts, sultanas, potatoes or chocolate. Whether I'm sick or well I always am able to pack the food in 2000 - 3000 calories a day when I suspect it's something like 1500 which keeps me at my current weight (not that I count calories nor do I weigh myself at present as it's too depressing).

So not only have I lost no weight all these months of eating so well but in the last week I have returned to by my daily hot chocolate and chocolate afternoon binge and then because it is my addictive substance like drugs would be for others it always always expands - I need more and more. It was the same the 90 - 100% chocolate - I eat more and more and more to sustain the same high as I have hugely addictive genes.

So tonight having driven out to buy chocolates I feel even worse and just as fat. I know despite the recent illness I feel better eating paleo and I have managed it for long periods before. I am hardly ever ill. I sleep 8 hours just about every night. I am very lucky but I feel totally off the rails tonight and not even enthusiastic about going back to paleo tomorrow as even when I do I never shift any weight because I seem programmed took now exactly what puts the weight on. I was joking the teenager that we need to do a swap - I have no problem eating massive quantities of all the foods he is trying to force himself to eat with his absolute iron will, total control and tiny tiny frame. I stopped seeing someone last week in part because I fel too over weight to date, not myself at all, a different fat person.

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on April 09, 2013
at 08:52 PM

I'm sorry you're in a tough spot. I suffer from the need/desire to eat large meals that leave me with a "stuffed" feeling. Luckily for me, whole fruit (such as a grapefruit and a banana) plus a huge salad of greens and low-starch vegetables AND my main serving of meat and/or tubers satisfies that need. If I still find myself with an urge for something sweet, a nice small portion of dark chocolate is enough since I'm already stuffed. Keep experimenting! You may find a routine that works.

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on April 10, 2013
at 06:44 PM

Thanks. I will. Today was too stressful from work to resist the afternoon hot chocolate with chocolates. However I know my poor body hates it and until last week I was totally clean and eating well, even though it was lots of food particularly nuts and raisins. I will keep experimenting. I know if I eat fewer carbs and get off the chocolate I would lose weight of course. It is the inability to do what you want to do which is so hard for some (and really easy for those with an iron will)

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