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Adult Vaccination and Paleo Philosophie

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created February 28, 2013 at 9:43 AM

I must admit that this is not a nutrition based question. However I will assume that many people here are like me, concerned about natural health and the big crimes of modern industry and biased health care.

How Paleo-philosophie friendly are adult vacines? Were I was born vacines where only mandatory during the first years of our life. Afterwards everything was optional. Now I am living in Germany and many people is telling me that adults must get certain vacines every 10 years. My doctors just gave me a prescription for a supercombo of Diphtheria, Tetanus, Pertussis and Poliomyelitis... and it has been like 20-25 years since I got shot for those. I am concerned about doctors who do not consider that immigrants have a different sensitivity to pharmaceutical compounds and/or are not the average local vaccination history.

I am also concerned about injecting modern science into my blood stream. Specially where I live now because I never thought I could receive by post so many catalogs about medical products (pain killers, sleeping pils, antidepressants, general medicaments... and so on) Therefore I have developed a small paranoia about the weight of the pharma industry here and the popularity of adult vacines.

So. How do paleo minded people approach this issue? Is there so much crap in the vaccination as in the nutrition science?


UPDATE: It seems that this question has stirred some anti-corporations and conspiracy thoughts. Just wanted to make clear it was never my intention to waste my time with those topics

  1. After one year in Paleo I came to the conclusion that the wild differences between mainstream media misinformation about a healthy nutrition is just based on economical convenience. I am not thinking all the time in conspiracies, but I do believe that as much as money moves the world, it can also have a deep impact on information. I think it is rather naive thinking that 100% of the curricula of a professional is absolute pure unbiased absolute truth from pure heart and noble intentions organisms that would never be influenced by money.

  2. I have learned that many doctors neglect the fact that inmigrants are not used to some common pharma. I as European am used to Paracetamol, so I need the European doses. However many asians did not grow up taking that, and their first intake can be 20 times as poweful as it is for me.

  3. I am sad for the anti German answers. I have lived in 6 different countries beyond my own, in none of them felt so free, respected and stable as I do in Germany.

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on March 01, 2013
at 04:59 PM

oh well, I have a long history about bad luck with doctors. Last year a tooth completely crack the same month two dentists told me, everything was OK, now got my implant. With Paleo I solved weekly vertigo attacks, more than once I bited the ground. 4 doctors told me it was just stress. My last two checkups were with two different doctors. They immediately urged me to start eating a SAD style diet to save my life. I am still switching doctors every time I need one waiting for the one who will not roll his/her eyes after hearing I am paleo. I try hard, but now I hardly have a reason to see them

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on March 01, 2013
at 03:55 PM

At what point did doctors become evil? We shouldn't use sunscreen because it's a corporate conspiracy? I guess I shouldn't have taken anti-viral meds when I was holed up in the hospital with meningitis. I don't take the flu vaccine because I can deal with the flu and hate needles. If you think the tetanus shots and their ilk are evil, I question your wisdom. Let us remember that doctors also are on board with paleo and wheat belly. A doctor wrote wheat belly! Not enough, but to question a doctor's wisdom at every turn is wildly narcissistic.

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on March 01, 2013
at 02:20 PM

Do the research, talk to a doctor you trust. I think the bigger problem is you do not have a strong, trusting relationship with your doctor. Find one who will listen, discuss, and guide you in your health decisions.

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on March 01, 2013
at 02:17 PM

There are lab who do random sampling of vaccines by plant. They publish their findings online. Just do the research.

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on March 01, 2013
at 02:15 PM

Every vaccine I have received as an adult I have known the manufacturer, where it was produced, and when. This information is not secret, just ask rather than read some bogus conspiracy website.

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on March 01, 2013
at 10:49 AM

Eating toothpaste is Paleo: http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/2012/10/developmental-fluoride-neurotoxicity-a-systematic-review-and-meta-analysis/

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on March 01, 2013
at 10:45 AM

According to this study, eating toothpaste will raise your child’s IQ: http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/2012/10/developmental-fluoride-neurotoxicity-a-systematic-review-and-meta-analysis/

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on March 01, 2013
at 10:45 AM

According to this study, eating toothpaste will raise your child’s IQ: http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/2012/10/developmental-fluoride-neurotoxicity-a-systematic-review-and-meta-analysis/

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on March 01, 2013
at 10:37 AM

Eating toothpaste is Paleo. According to this study, it raises childhood IQ: http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/2012/10/developmental-fluoride-neurotoxicity-a-systematic-review-and-meta-analysis/

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on March 01, 2013
at 10:30 AM

My comments are not anti-German. The Germans (or what's left of the nation) live under a permanent occupation government. The military bases enforce the institutional control. Duh. What did you think happens to the loser of a war? Not that Spaniards would know anything about winning a modern war. It goes thus: Troy, Thebes, Carthage, Corinth, Germania.

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on March 01, 2013
at 10:16 AM

Thanks, I decided that doctors talking about vaccination, is not like doctors convincing us to follow the SAD diet.

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on March 01, 2013
at 10:14 AM

Although many Paleo people just want to lose weight, I believe that many others as myself, just wanted to take better care of themselves and improve their health based in the most natural way. Some of us even wanted to add some pounds. After listening so many doctors talking about how important is the SAD diet and remove all forms of cholesterol, I would not blame people having second thoughts about other advice

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on March 01, 2013
at 12:51 AM

Diptheria and pertussis probably don't seem that bad because folks in the developed world have never seen them. Wiki says ~1% fatality with diptheria and 5-10% with pertussis. I cannot see how any risk from vaccination for these diseases outweighs the risks involved with the diseases themselves. Even the flu vaccine probably has a better risk assessment than actually contracting the flu. *wonders when his own tetanus booster is due*

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on March 01, 2013
at 12:38 AM

Nah, I'm pretty smart, the fluoride industry just pays me to act all dumb on PH.

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on February 28, 2013
at 11:41 PM

Matt: you're stupid.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on February 28, 2013
at 11:29 PM

Israel is a corporate entity?

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on February 28, 2013
at 11:26 PM

What does nutrition have to do with getting your vaccine from a trusted source? Would you take a "vaccine" from a pharma corporation based in a country at war with yours? How about "vaccines" from corporations owned by persons who actively fund depopulation programs? You sure they on your side?

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on February 28, 2013
at 10:38 PM

Agree with the recommendation of keeping tetanus vaccination up to date. In another life as a respiratory therapist I saw a patient with tetanus, acquired while gardening. It was a horrible ordeal for her to go through.

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on February 28, 2013
at 10:36 PM

vaccines working is not an argument for using them. for example, europeans and americans have been meddling in africans lives for centuries. if we vaccinate africans that will give us even more excuses to control them, because if africans tribes don't care to vaccinate every generation then we will have to do it for them.

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on February 28, 2013
at 10:12 PM

@ Karen & Matt - Go ahead and take a shot from an entity with corporate owners, executives, scientists unknown to you. Behave like the natural slave you were born to be.

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on February 28, 2013
at 10:11 PM

Go ahead and take a shot from an entity with corporate owners, executives, scientists unknown to you. Be the natural slave you were born to be, Karen & Matt!

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on February 28, 2013
at 10:06 PM

Go ahead and take a shot from an entity with corporate owners, executives, scientists unknown to you.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on February 28, 2013
at 12:42 PM

Are you being satiric?

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on February 28, 2013
at 12:41 PM

Vaccines and trauma medicine are examples of how not everything modern medicine does is wrong. For prevention and treating many acute problems it is just great.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on February 28, 2013
at 12:27 PM

(But I'm part of the conspiracy too, right? I'm not anti-fluoride AKA MIND CONTROL JUICE!)

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on February 28, 2013
at 12:26 PM

LOL @ the conspiracy theorist. ;)

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on February 28, 2013
at 12:03 PM

Btw, of course I know I'm gonna get negged for this post. I'm a social Darwinist, in a way. If you don't know how to watch out for yourself in this life and leave yourself wide open, well, good luck. I'm tellin' you straight: those Germans are in DEEP SHIT.

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on February 28, 2013
at 11:53 AM

Germany has a CIA-run occupation government. It's never been given full sovereignty. Ergo the continued U.S. occupation. They can put anything in those shots.

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on February 28, 2013
at 11:51 AM

I'm quite serious. Germany has a CIA-run occupation government. It's never been given full sovereignty. Ergo the continued U.S. occupation. They can put anything in those shots.

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on February 28, 2013
at 11:19 AM

Don't forgo vaccines. It's probably right up there with sanitation/hygiene when it comes to what medical advances have had the most impact on human health and longevity. Most modern folks haven't ever seen the diseases we are typically vaccinated against, tetanus being one.

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(Disability-adjusted life year for tetanus per 100,000 inhabitants in 2004. via Wikipedia)

No surprise that you don't have any idea what tetanus is, look at the Americas, Europe, Australia... it's quite uncommon (because folks are vaccinated). It's the odd case that happens when folks aren't up to date on their vaccinations.

It's a terrible, life-threatening disease that's completely avoidable with vaccination. It's sort of a no-brainer...

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on February 28, 2013
at 10:36 PM

vaccines working is not an argument for using them. for example, europeans and americans have been meddling in africans lives for centuries. if we vaccinate africans that will give us even more excuses to control them, because if africans tribes don't care to vaccinate every generation then we will have to do it for them.

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on February 28, 2013
at 12:41 PM

Vaccines and trauma medicine are examples of how not everything modern medicine does is wrong. For prevention and treating many acute problems it is just great.

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on March 01, 2013
at 10:16 AM

Thanks, I decided that doctors talking about vaccination, is not like doctors convincing us to follow the SAD diet.

782d92f4127823bdfb2ddfcbcf961d0e

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on February 28, 2013
at 10:38 PM

Agree with the recommendation of keeping tetanus vaccination up to date. In another life as a respiratory therapist I saw a patient with tetanus, acquired while gardening. It was a horrible ordeal for her to go through.

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on February 28, 2013
at 10:59 PM

Personally, I would rather keep my immune system healthy with good sleep, good gut health, excellent diet & Vitamin D supplementation and forgo most vaccines. If I were travelling, I would choose carefully which vaccines to get, if any.

Tetanus makes sense to me. Flu, diptheria, pertussis...not so much. Polio? Hmmm, would have to think about that one.

This website is useful: http://www.nvic.org/

Not unbiased, but I really don't know of any vaccine-related website that could be unbiased, given Big Pharma's stake in the discussion.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on March 01, 2013
at 12:51 AM

Diptheria and pertussis probably don't seem that bad because folks in the developed world have never seen them. Wiki says ~1% fatality with diptheria and 5-10% with pertussis. I cannot see how any risk from vaccination for these diseases outweighs the risks involved with the diseases themselves. Even the flu vaccine probably has a better risk assessment than actually contracting the flu. *wonders when his own tetanus booster is due*

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6d1d2c385960f3d82d960ae3cffb3193

on February 28, 2013
at 10:53 PM

When you start getting into this area, and leaving the nutrition-based conversation, that's where you lose me. Just because I feel that dependence on grains and sugars is a direct contributing factor to my obesity, this has nothing to do with foregoing a polio vaccine because of concern with a conspiracy theory. I'd rather take my chances with the vaccine than the disease.

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on February 28, 2013
at 11:26 PM

What does nutrition have to do with getting your vaccine from a trusted source? Would you take a "vaccine" from a pharma corporation based in a country at war with yours? How about "vaccines" from corporations owned by persons who actively fund depopulation programs? You sure they on your side?

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(245)

on March 01, 2013
at 10:14 AM

Although many Paleo people just want to lose weight, I believe that many others as myself, just wanted to take better care of themselves and improve their health based in the most natural way. Some of us even wanted to add some pounds. After listening so many doctors talking about how important is the SAD diet and remove all forms of cholesterol, I would not blame people having second thoughts about other advice

6d1d2c385960f3d82d960ae3cffb3193

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on March 01, 2013
at 03:55 PM

At what point did doctors become evil? We shouldn't use sunscreen because it's a corporate conspiracy? I guess I shouldn't have taken anti-viral meds when I was holed up in the hospital with meningitis. I don't take the flu vaccine because I can deal with the flu and hate needles. If you think the tetanus shots and their ilk are evil, I question your wisdom. Let us remember that doctors also are on board with paleo and wheat belly. A doctor wrote wheat belly! Not enough, but to question a doctor's wisdom at every turn is wildly narcissistic.

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on February 28, 2013
at 10:46 PM

im against vaccines in some cases not because they don't work or because they're full of mercury or whatever crap people are saying now days, but because vaccines working is not an argument for using them. for example, europeans have been meddling in the african homeland for centuries, and if we made a program that successfully vaccinated all africans, that will give us even more power to control their lives, as each generation has to be vaccinated, and if the tribesmen don't want to do it, we're going to. I don't buy into the "we're saving lives" canard. african tribes are perfectly happy they way they are, or else you'd have to say every single species of animal on this planet isn't happy without medical intervention. but of course nobody has the authority to say that.

so basically there are times when people really just want to save lives, and then there are times when vaccinations are a means to an end.

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on March 01, 2013
at 02:40 PM

There is a great book called "The Vaccine Book" by Dr Sears. It is written for childhood vaccinations, but would be applicable to adults as well. What he does in the book is look at data:

(1) what are the chances of you contracting the disease? (2) what are the chances of you having extreme complications if you DO contract it? (3) what are the chances of death if you DO contract it? (4) now, compare that to the chance of complications from the vaccine itself.

There are no clear cut answers, just some trends that make you think. Most of the book he says, "we need more research on this."

Spoiler alert - most of the time he sides with the vaccine. With most diseases, the numbers are pretty close, but with some (like meningitis) there is a clear cut advantage to having the vaccine.

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on February 28, 2013
at 10:27 PM

See linked article in response to the Mikes and Karens of the world.

You're accepting into the body an unknown concoction from a corporate entity with owner, executive, scientist unbeknownst to you, and which may contain any virus, bacterium, or chemical contaminant.

Not an argument against the use of vaccines... but it would seem prudent to know the source.

A recent example of a spiked vaccine:

Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent
January 27, 2013

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gave-birth-control-to-ethiopian-jews-without-their-consent-8468800.html

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on March 01, 2013
at 10:49 AM

Eating toothpaste is Paleo: http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/2012/10/developmental-fluoride-neurotoxicity-a-systematic-review-and-meta-analysis/

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on February 28, 2013
at 11:29 PM

Israel is a corporate entity?

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on March 01, 2013
at 12:38 AM

Nah, I'm pretty smart, the fluoride industry just pays me to act all dumb on PH.

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on February 28, 2013
at 11:41 PM

Matt: you're stupid.

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on March 01, 2013
at 02:15 PM

Every vaccine I have received as an adult I have known the manufacturer, where it was produced, and when. This information is not secret, just ask rather than read some bogus conspiracy website.

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on March 01, 2013
at 10:37 AM

Eating toothpaste is Paleo. According to this study, it raises childhood IQ: http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/2012/10/developmental-fluoride-neurotoxicity-a-systematic-review-and-meta-analysis/

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on March 01, 2013
at 10:45 AM

According to this study, eating toothpaste will raise your child’s IQ: http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/2012/10/developmental-fluoride-neurotoxicity-a-systematic-review-and-meta-analysis/

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on March 01, 2013
at 10:45 AM

According to this study, eating toothpaste will raise your child’s IQ: http://ehp.niehs.nih.gov/2012/10/developmental-fluoride-neurotoxicity-a-systematic-review-and-meta-analysis/

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24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on February 28, 2013
at 11:45 AM

If you believe the conspiracy theorists, Alex Jones foremost amongst them, website http://infowars.com, two Robber Baron families, the Rothschilds and Rockefellers, along with minions, have established a medical oligopoly over the West and intend on depopulation. They have been caught spiking the vaccines with mercury, aluminum, sterilants (e.g., Philippines and Haiti), AIDS virus (Libya), cancer viruses (SV40 in the U.S.), among other goodies.

Myself not being a doctor, I wouldn't know. I have no way of checking these claims. I leave that stuff off this forum.

But I do worry if you're in Germany. They have a chip on the shoulder against Germans. And they seized control of the German economy after the U.S. victory in WWII, so many "German" firms aren't German owned, you know?

So if you're a Spaniard, uh, no, I definitely wouldn't take anything meant for the local German population.

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on February 28, 2013
at 11:51 AM

I'm quite serious. Germany has a CIA-run occupation government. It's never been given full sovereignty. Ergo the continued U.S. occupation. They can put anything in those shots.

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on February 28, 2013
at 11:53 AM

Germany has a CIA-run occupation government. It's never been given full sovereignty. Ergo the continued U.S. occupation. They can put anything in those shots.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

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on February 28, 2013
at 12:26 PM

LOL @ the conspiracy theorist. ;)

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on February 28, 2013
at 12:42 PM

Are you being satiric?

3ce6a0d24be025e2f2af534545bdd1d7

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on March 01, 2013
at 02:17 PM

There are lab who do random sampling of vaccines by plant. They publish their findings online. Just do the research.

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on February 28, 2013
at 10:12 PM

@ Karen & Matt - Go ahead and take a shot from an entity with corporate owners, executives, scientists unknown to you. Behave like the natural slave you were born to be.

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on February 28, 2013
at 10:11 PM

Go ahead and take a shot from an entity with corporate owners, executives, scientists unknown to you. Be the natural slave you were born to be, Karen & Matt!

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on February 28, 2013
at 10:06 PM

Go ahead and take a shot from an entity with corporate owners, executives, scientists unknown to you.

24c27817ad9ac518946dda4a131737b5

on February 28, 2013
at 12:03 PM

Btw, of course I know I'm gonna get negged for this post. I'm a social Darwinist, in a way. If you don't know how to watch out for yourself in this life and leave yourself wide open, well, good luck. I'm tellin' you straight: those Germans are in DEEP SHIT.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on February 28, 2013
at 12:27 PM

(But I'm part of the conspiracy too, right? I'm not anti-fluoride AKA MIND CONTROL JUICE!)

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