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Most original influential helpful major person/group in the paleo/primal/health community?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created June 28, 2011 at 9:28 AM

People that seem to be super knowledgeable/intelligent/unique with their ideas

Robb wolf (http://robbwolf.com)

Chris Kresser (http://chriskresser.com and http://thehealthyskeptic.org/)

Kurt Harris (http://www.archevore.com)

Richard Nikoley (http://freetheanimal.com)

Melissa Mcewen (http://huntgatherlove.com)

Jack Kruse (http://jackkruse.com/jacks-blog/)

Denise Minger (http://rawfoodsos.com)

Melissa McEwen http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=hunt+gather+love

John Durant (http://hunter-gatherer.com)

Chris Masterjohn (http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/Vegetarianism.html)

Loren Cordain (http://thepaleodiet.com)

Art ayers (http://coolinginflammation.blogspot.com)

Paul Jaminet (http://perfecthealthdiet.com)

Emily Deans (http://evolutionarypsychiatry.blogspot.com)

Peter Dobromylskyj (http://high-fat-nutrition.blogspot.com)

Mark sisson (http://www.marksdailyapple.com)

Ned kock (http://healthcorrelator.blogspot.com)

Gary Taubes (http://www.garytaubes.com/blog)

Stephan Guyenet (http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com)

Dallas and Melissa (http://www.whole9life.com)

Angelo Coppola (http://www.latestinpaleo.com)

The Eades (http://www.proteinpower.com)

Dr. William Davis (http://www.trackyourplaque.com/blog)

Tom Naughton (http://www.fathead-movie.com)

Matt Lalonde (Release the Cracken!)

Other good stuff-Weston A Price, Robert Lustig, Boyd Eaton, Primal Body Primal Mind, Art Devany, Underground Wellness, Jimmy Moore's podcast, fitbomb and naturally engineered

I must be forgetting some people/sources. Who/which is your favorite.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

What about Lalonde? He was on SHR and I thought he delivered. A smartypants and a dreamboat all in one!

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on March 17, 2012
at 07:05 PM

@LikesLardinMayo Definitely some truth there. But I didn't post this for kiss-ass points.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 16, 2012
at 04:15 AM

Anonymous - Because he said all of us were the best Paleo person. Everyone loves a kiss-ass.

E05b8d2c9ae8a9a92341785f342f131d

(346)

on March 14, 2012
at 05:25 PM

Just thought I'd let you know: You put Peter Dobromylskyj twice.

E05b8d2c9ae8a9a92341785f342f131d

(346)

on March 14, 2012
at 05:24 PM

You put Peter Dobromylskyj twice

0e395acc856e3353f3f5892e6b09b0e7

(1227)

on August 19, 2011
at 01:58 PM

I paid a year ago, but did not use the site much so am not renewing. I admire his contributions tho.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 29, 2011
at 07:35 PM

@ Nico - I agree. Not vilifying reductionism as a tool; it has it's place. @ MHGL - haha- naw, i wouldn't call CM the sort of reductionist you described above! i lost track of the context here for a sec.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on June 29, 2011
at 06:04 PM

are you calling my boyfriend a reductionist? jklol. I don't think he is. Chris is the most holistic person I know. Stephan is very holistic too.

02736efa3fda31740e8890eed0cb663d

(1813)

on June 29, 2011
at 08:25 AM

While scientific knowledge on a subject is certainly important, I think being an "expert" is way overrated. Most experts on nutrition seem to be regurgitating the conventional wisdom. Most M.D.s have studied almost no nutrition. Even people involved in research are usually confined to a very specialized area. I think Chris Kresser has two things going for him: he has read a lot of the scientific literature, and he is involved in trying to help real people. Plus, people who clearly know their stuff, like Drs. Deans and Harris, seem to think he knows something.

02736efa3fda31740e8890eed0cb663d

(1813)

on June 29, 2011
at 08:12 AM

I think the problem isn't reductionism per se but reductionism that leaves important stuff out, or assuming that we know more than we actually do. Reductionism is necessary for any kind of productive human knowledge.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 29, 2011
at 01:36 AM

@ MHGL -- I just spit out my beverage -- you're trying to say those folks are non-reductionists?! Wow. Ok. I guess reductionism is in the eye of the beholder. Fwiw, Deans is a self-proclaimed reductionist. In any case, I certainly agree that these folks are solid.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on June 28, 2011
at 09:47 PM

I can't for the life of me figure out why this was upvoted to over 25!!! I can see a few upvotes, even 8 or 9, but 26????

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 28, 2011
at 09:43 PM

Jack, that was me, applauding Don. So you were right. However, that was the only time I have ever read anything by him, so I was only agreeing with what he said there.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 28, 2011
at 09:41 PM

Oh man, I was hoping that smartcookie might miss this thread. No, I'm not lucky, I guess :)

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 28, 2011
at 09:32 PM

by the way... my response to that person was "oh no no no. This guy Stephan always suits up in a coat and tie before posting from his home computer. He never posts in his underwear." I think she realized how silly she was being.

Cfc7dee889a66db9cd76c4f348109294

(1652)

on June 28, 2011
at 09:28 PM

Haha! Busted...

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 28, 2011
at 09:20 PM

Thomas - I think this is why I thought that was you under Don's article: http://paleohacks.com/questions/44786/don-matesz-the-impact-of-farewell-to-paleo/44821#44821

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 28, 2011
at 09:10 PM

Jack, I know that you know your stuff. I am not saying that one needs a degree in nutrition to speak to these issues. I certainly don't have one.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 28, 2011
at 08:56 PM

no one knows about him now cuz he went behind the paywall years ago.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 28, 2011
at 08:56 PM

that's funny about SmartCookie Thomas.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 28, 2011
at 08:55 PM

I guess I look at it from a perspective closer to my own. I don't have a degree in nutrition, but I know a couple things. If I put up a blog people could say the exact same thing about me. In fact, I write articles for my company's health and wellness site. Of course, the stuff I write is nothing like what people are expecting. Many people on the committee that I write for are all about low-fat. Then I load up my articles with ref and I still get people who are skeptical. "Who is this Chris Masterjohn guy? And who is Stephan Guyenet? How do you know it's not some blogger in his underwear?"

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 28, 2011
at 08:54 PM

Smartcookie is going to kill me, and understandably so! She just began her blog, and it isn't even about Paleo. I just thought her article was well-written and intelligent.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 28, 2011
at 08:49 PM

Jack, no problem, dude. Understandable mistake about mixing me up with that other Thomas.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 28, 2011
at 08:47 PM

Jack, obviously I can't read Chris Kresser's mind but he seems to be cultivating "guru" status. Apparently he has succeeded in that. He has a (very recent) degree in acupuncture. Why doesn't he talk about that? He doesn't. Correct me if I am wrong but he tends to speak about these issues from the Western Medicine point of view. That's his right, but I don't think he has that much background to speak authoratively from that perspective. Now he has the Healthy Baby Course. What is that? How is he an expert on that?

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on June 28, 2011
at 08:41 PM

@Thomas - Do you have a link to that blog?

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on June 28, 2011
at 08:40 PM

@Tomas - Do you have a link to that blog?

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 28, 2011
at 08:37 PM

sorry man. In the comments below Don's article there is someone named "Thomas" that commented frequently. I don't know why, but I just assumed that was you. I think it's because I see you here so much. That was stupid.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 28, 2011
at 08:34 PM

hang on... i think i messed up and confused you for someone else regarding Don....

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on June 28, 2011
at 08:33 PM

Forgot to mention J.Stanton and Paul Jaminet!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 28, 2011
at 08:32 PM

Jack, who is Don? Seriously I don't know which Don you are talking about. I had no idea that I EVER defended anybody up here. My statement about SmartCookie may have been a first! I knew you were kidding about SmartCookie. However, I know I make a lot of jokes up here and I am often flirty, so I just wanted to take the opportunity to say that it's not serious. I am usually (not always..you know who you are :) ) just playing around.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 28, 2011
at 08:29 PM

Also, Kresser explains very openly on his site that he is not an MD. He explains exactly what his qualifications are. What would be the more appropriate thing for him to do? He is not posing. He is not hiding anything.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 28, 2011
at 08:28 PM

I disagree with you about Chris Kresser. He writes very well informed and well articulated pieces in a simple fashion that is easily understandable and is basically in line with what "Paleo" is and isn't quite well. Until I see otherwise, I will hold my opinion of him where it is. He's one of the loudest voices in the Paleo nutrition world and for good reason. I don't care what his degree says. If the info that he puts out is good, then great. Look at Dr K. He is super educated, and very seasoned in his field, and people give him a hard time for being too complicated. Kresser keeps it simple.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 28, 2011
at 08:24 PM

And nothing for or against Mr. Kresser, but when graduated from Acupuncture school does not have a major bearing on his knowledge of nutrition.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 28, 2011
at 08:23 PM

Yo, chillax! !

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 28, 2011
at 08:19 PM

Who are the posers Thomas? You seem to defend Don pretty strongly, and I think he might be the biggest poser on these lists in my mind. And I was just kidding about SmartCookie. I mean, her pic is surely nice, but I was just making a funny comment because it seemed strange that you dissed all the "gurus". I haven't been to SC's site yet, but I will soon.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 28, 2011
at 08:16 PM

Let's see, he graduated with an Acupuncture degree in 2010, which means he isn't even a very seasoned expert in that area. Now his wife is having a baby and he's styling himself an expert in that arena. Stay tuned. In 2012, he's going to take a shit and profess himself to be an expert in proctology and gastro-intestinal disorders.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 28, 2011
at 08:07 PM

As depraved as I might seem, I don't go after women that young. Read her blog. She's definitely smarter than a lot of these poseurs people seem to be "drooling over".

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 28, 2011
at 07:35 PM

I think Thomas just wants to hook up because he's drooling over that new pic of her.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 28, 2011
at 07:34 PM

That's an odd comment Thomas. He's on my list, and staying there until he gives me a good reason to remove him.

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

(4359)

on June 28, 2011
at 07:20 PM

Because he produces very good work.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 28, 2011
at 06:42 PM

When reading any "sciency" paleo blog, I strongly encourage everyone to arm themselves with several grains of salt. There are premises, and there are conclusions. The first does not always lead to the second. Bombastic or unsupported claims are rarely made by those listed above, plus they are clear writers, and that is why I appreciate them so much. But judging smartness is very difficult. Similar to what ben61820 says below, some of the best bloggers are those who aren't defending any particular viewpoint, and are moreso conveying "unbiased" information. In that area, paleo is blessed.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 28, 2011
at 06:24 PM

Melissa- please update us as soon as paleobabby is formed.

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

(3536)

on June 28, 2011
at 05:45 PM

Why do you say that Thomas??

A2fe5bbd09c7804fd321e9e9a9f9d199

(1614)

on June 28, 2011
at 05:44 PM

hopefully that will improve over time. keeping technical jargon to a minimum better connects the concepts to how most minds work, otherwise language gets in the way. summary points help, as well as the larger conceptual framework (quilting) since it's a noble attempt to integrate all this info into an almost narrative structure which can work well for long term absorption.

1f8384be58052b6b96f476e475abdc74

(2231)

on June 28, 2011
at 05:34 PM

ME, haha only i can find out what works for me.

8a4ce6a9e1ab27616920b828df08b259

(354)

on June 28, 2011
at 05:31 PM

I totally agree with your answer; however, after a minute of thought..I do like this question, as I wasn't familiar with a few of these people. Now I have more resources!

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on June 28, 2011
at 05:30 PM

there are several :) I think the folks I respect most are Chris Masterjohn (duh), Kurt Harris, Emily Deans, Mat Lalonde, Stephan Guyenet, and I hope I'm not forgetting anyone...

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on June 28, 2011
at 05:25 PM

I'm talking about a couple articles mainly his ideas about leaky mitochondria and energy use. I never said the guy knew everything, obviously he doesn't.

A727956fa3f943057c4edb08ad9e864e

(4183)

on June 28, 2011
at 05:24 PM

My problem with Don's change of heart is that he is extrapolating his own experience as the Ultimate Truth. Like just because he didn't get on well with high-fat, no one can.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 28, 2011
at 05:12 PM

By the way, I have no idea why Chris Kresser is on anybody's list for Paleo's smartest person.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 28, 2011
at 05:07 PM

Meri, yeah for sure Lalonde is pretty good to listen to.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18706)

on June 28, 2011
at 04:46 PM

If his blog has any info it is totally obscured by buzz words strung together in a haphazard fashion. I guess it's not surprising that it's mostly the self-professed non-science types who are fooled into thinking there must be something there. It turns out that knowing what those words mean doesn't make his posts more clear.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18706)

on June 28, 2011
at 04:39 PM

Unbiased, really? Isn't that a bit like saying someone doesn't have an accent?

D5096ff5baffc0ba5d20b21346414a7a

(1112)

on June 28, 2011
at 04:31 PM

so Melissa..does this answer my question I addressed to you? Chris Masterjohn it is!

D5096ff5baffc0ba5d20b21346414a7a

(1112)

on June 28, 2011
at 04:29 PM

So who is the nonreductionist biochemist who writes clearly for the layperson and does not have a financial investment in his/her ideas?

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 28, 2011
at 04:02 PM

it would be exciting indeed to see a new creation from the two of you. i'm rooting for you melissa.

F040035b2008ec80b205481afbd39ad4

(1837)

on June 28, 2011
at 03:59 PM

Agreed. He does a great job pulling together 'Latest in Paleo'. he shows great energy in researching and producing the show. I find it a great complement to Robb Wolff's podcast.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on June 28, 2011
at 03:55 PM

Even if I'm not on your list, perhaps I'll get to use the genes of your smartest individual to create a super-smart hybrid.

Cc7381bd787721575ea9198048132adb

(5541)

on June 28, 2011
at 03:38 PM

My vote is for Edward J. Edmonds

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on June 28, 2011
at 03:35 PM

Melissa is definitely wheat :)

A089b683ee0498f2b21b7edfa300e405

(3895)

on June 28, 2011
at 03:28 PM

..thought we all gave up on both wheat and chaff, once we got here..! LOL

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on June 28, 2011
at 03:12 PM

Wow, great answer!!

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on June 28, 2011
at 02:44 PM

it's quite interesting that his "science" is at odds with that of Dr. Harris and Guyenet.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on June 28, 2011
at 02:42 PM

I would say Don is smarter than a lot of folks. Something wasn't working for him, so he changed his diet. He might not have a good handle on biochem, but he is self-experimenting the way we all should be. Contrast that with Dr. Eades' latest posts on having cramps all the time. When I had cramps I changed my diet and now I never have them. That's not something normal that should be tolerated.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on June 28, 2011
at 02:40 PM

proof that if you use science-y words people will think you are a scientist and really smart!

1471beca8e3adff4ae2f89d10e5f7acb

(6550)

on June 28, 2011
at 02:13 PM

Yeah, really, what is the point of a question like this?

F040035b2008ec80b205481afbd39ad4

(1837)

on June 28, 2011
at 02:08 PM

+1 I was going to post something similar but I wasn't sure whether you could classify an Aboriginal as part of the 'paleo community' (as in our web-based version of it). Anyone who could adapt and survive and indeed THRIVE in the wilds armed with little more than a knife would be the 'smartest' in my view!

2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

(919)

on June 28, 2011
at 01:44 PM

PS except that Dr. Harris's approach is more user friendly for the less scientifically-minded like myself

2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

(919)

on June 28, 2011
at 01:43 PM

he has to be on a par with Dr. Kurt Harris

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

(4359)

on June 28, 2011
at 01:18 PM

Stephan Guyenet probably deserves the title, a wee bit more than a mention...

A89f9751a97c3082802dc0bcbe4e9208

(13978)

on June 28, 2011
at 12:52 PM

+1 for mentioning "The Kracken"! ;)

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 28, 2011
at 12:24 PM

Bravo Edward! :)

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on June 28, 2011
at 11:53 AM

Great list, now we just need to add links to the OP's list...

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on June 28, 2011
at 11:50 AM

I was gonna say Emily Deans! But now I don't have to. (Or did I sneak it in anyways?)

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

(7304)

on June 28, 2011
at 11:27 AM

Ned Kock and Dr. Ayers are good mentions.

C4134ed417dbc0a6b79ab2cee32632d3

(1811)

on June 28, 2011
at 09:48 AM

And perhaps I should also suggest Dr. Kruse?

C4134ed417dbc0a6b79ab2cee32632d3

(1811)

on June 28, 2011
at 09:48 AM

Surely Stephan Guyenet desrves a mention?

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667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 28, 2011
at 11:50 AM

Lets just go with "intelligent" and "sober and unbiased". Then its easy, Chris Masterjohn and Guyenet.

The rest are pretty much funny, intelligent on a layperson level bloggers. Nothing wrong with that but nothing like those two guys.

0dbd7154d909b97fe774d1655754f195

(16131)

on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

What about Lalonde? He was on SHR and I thought he delivered. A smartypants and a dreamboat all in one!

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18706)

on June 28, 2011
at 04:39 PM

Unbiased, really? Isn't that a bit like saying someone doesn't have an accent?

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on June 28, 2011
at 05:07 PM

Meri, yeah for sure Lalonde is pretty good to listen to.

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B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on June 28, 2011
at 11:04 AM

Not to split hairs and get philosophical but things like this make me nauseous. It's human nature that a lists like are made. We like people until we find a flaw in them or their theories. Then we stone them. Instead of saying who are the smartest people you should probably look at it a bit differently and lower your expectations a bit, a lot of them went on the same journey most of us have. Experience with a little added knowledge led them to draw their conclusions. Literally a little hunting and gathering. All of these people differ in their approach though the common thread might be eating whole natural foods, there are differences in the details that end up making big differences in different people.

Take Don Matesz for instance, a lot of people have left very critical comments on his sight since he has changed his approach. Don runs a blog, writes articles, and gives his opinion... that in itself is good. And a lot of people like his approach and went to him for advice. Then when he changed some people were upset or felt betrayed, but not for the right reasons I don't think. I think some people felt they lost some guidance and are so insecure and debilitated by having to a) find somebody else to leach and adopt their opinions off of or b) figure it out for themselves. Why? Because blaming yourself when things go wrong is much harder than blaming somebody else.

The Paleo Community (places like PaleoHacks) where the work, n=1 experiments, and practical applications are tested... "she" if you will, is the smartest member of the community.

8a4ce6a9e1ab27616920b828df08b259

(354)

on June 28, 2011
at 05:31 PM

I totally agree with your answer; however, after a minute of thought..I do like this question, as I wasn't familiar with a few of these people. Now I have more resources!

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on June 28, 2011
at 09:47 PM

I can't for the life of me figure out why this was upvoted to over 25!!! I can see a few upvotes, even 8 or 9, but 26????

8b982d4beccca9fcb85affe8d4bd4ff2

(1585)

on June 28, 2011
at 12:24 PM

Bravo Edward! :)

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on June 28, 2011
at 03:12 PM

Wow, great answer!!

Cc7381bd787721575ea9198048132adb

(5541)

on June 28, 2011
at 03:38 PM

My vote is for Edward J. Edmonds

1471beca8e3adff4ae2f89d10e5f7acb

(6550)

on June 28, 2011
at 02:13 PM

Yeah, really, what is the point of a question like this?

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on June 28, 2011
at 02:42 PM

I would say Don is smarter than a lot of folks. Something wasn't working for him, so he changed his diet. He might not have a good handle on biochem, but he is self-experimenting the way we all should be. Contrast that with Dr. Eades' latest posts on having cramps all the time. When I had cramps I changed my diet and now I never have them. That's not something normal that should be tolerated.

A727956fa3f943057c4edb08ad9e864e

(4183)

on June 28, 2011
at 05:24 PM

My problem with Don's change of heart is that he is extrapolating his own experience as the Ultimate Truth. Like just because he didn't get on well with high-fat, no one can.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 16, 2012
at 04:15 AM

Anonymous - Because he said all of us were the best Paleo person. Everyone loves a kiss-ass.

B9cc28905ec54389c47cde031d709703

on March 17, 2012
at 07:05 PM

@LikesLardinMayo Definitely some truth there. But I didn't post this for kiss-ass points.

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Bbaeb252415d6123214e1b98c17117ac

(414)

on June 28, 2011
at 11:47 AM

Stephan Guyenet (http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/) has earned the most respect from me so far because he is not afraid to change or adjust his point of view when he gets new, contradicting, but solid evidence. This is quite a rare trait. Well, of course his posts are also always well thought-out and he always provides plenty of references to primary sources. Plus, he does not stop there but provides his own ideas and theories for everyone to discuss.

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033b030a8dc01c0d17b0357cd02da5d6

(130)

on June 28, 2011
at 10:33 AM

Peter Dobromylskyj (Hyperlipid)

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9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on June 28, 2011
at 03:01 PM

"smart" is pretty hard to qualify. Some of the people listed here are fantastic writers who aren't great at biochemistry. Others are amazing biochemists who write incomprehensibly. Some have a financial investment in certain ideas and are unwilling to let them go despite the fact that science has disproved them. A few are biochemical reductionists who can seem intelligent, despite the fact that their conclusions are built upon a foundation of sand/in vitro studies/conclusions from worm studies. It can be hard to separate the wheat from the chaff.

D5096ff5baffc0ba5d20b21346414a7a

(1112)

on June 28, 2011
at 04:29 PM

So who is the nonreductionist biochemist who writes clearly for the layperson and does not have a financial investment in his/her ideas?

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on June 28, 2011
at 05:30 PM

there are several :) I think the folks I respect most are Chris Masterjohn (duh), Kurt Harris, Emily Deans, Mat Lalonde, Stephan Guyenet, and I hope I'm not forgetting anyone...

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(19245)

on June 28, 2011
at 03:35 PM

Melissa is definitely wheat :)

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(3895)

on June 28, 2011
at 03:28 PM

..thought we all gave up on both wheat and chaff, once we got here..! LOL

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(1813)

on June 29, 2011
at 08:12 AM

I think the problem isn't reductionism per se but reductionism that leaves important stuff out, or assuming that we know more than we actually do. Reductionism is necessary for any kind of productive human knowledge.

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(3631)

on June 29, 2011
at 01:36 AM

@ MHGL -- I just spit out my beverage -- you're trying to say those folks are non-reductionists?! Wow. Ok. I guess reductionism is in the eye of the beholder. Fwiw, Deans is a self-proclaimed reductionist. In any case, I certainly agree that these folks are solid.

559aa134ff5e6c8bcd608ba8dc505628

(3631)

on June 29, 2011
at 07:35 PM

@ Nico - I agree. Not vilifying reductionism as a tool; it has it's place. @ MHGL - haha- naw, i wouldn't call CM the sort of reductionist you described above! i lost track of the context here for a sec.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on June 29, 2011
at 06:04 PM

are you calling my boyfriend a reductionist? jklol. I don't think he is. Chris is the most holistic person I know. Stephan is very holistic too.

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66974b2cb291799dcd661b7dec99a9e2

(11121)

on June 28, 2011
at 01:37 PM

Labeling someone as 'smart' is a human fallacy, that for some people can can make them feel better about the choices they make if their list fits their way of thinking. Being smart is relative, being book smart or educated does not always equate to real world smart. I see a lot of smart people on this site for example. Perhaps what makes one smart is understanding our limitations and that we do not know everything, then trying different things to see the results, modifying and continuing forward, always open minded.

If I traveled to the outback in Australia and talked to an Aboriginal I would consider him just as smart as, say Robb Wolf or Dr Harris.

F040035b2008ec80b205481afbd39ad4

(1837)

on June 28, 2011
at 02:08 PM

+1 I was going to post something similar but I wasn't sure whether you could classify an Aboriginal as part of the 'paleo community' (as in our web-based version of it). Anyone who could adapt and survive and indeed THRIVE in the wilds armed with little more than a knife would be the 'smartest' in my view!

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(20436)

on June 28, 2011
at 11:53 AM

Great list, now we just need to add links to the OP's list...

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(7304)

on June 28, 2011
at 11:27 AM

Ned Kock and Dr. Ayers are good mentions.

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on June 29, 2011
at 12:16 AM

I think it is important to not latch onto one "smartest" guru and instead, read and listen to as many as you can and then make your own decisions. Isn't taking the word of a few what got us into this SAD mess in the first place? I read almost all of the people listed above, try to synthesize all the information as best I can and make the best informed choices I can for me. For one of the few times in history, scientists, non-scientists, journalists, and even paleohackers seem to be working together to figure out how these bodies of ours work. The more we dig, the more we find. It is fascinating and I love watching the evolution of what "paleo" means and what it might become. P.S. Degrees don't equal intelligence - there are a lot of stupid doctors out there.

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on June 28, 2011
at 07:48 PM

I think "smartest" is not the best word, maybe influential (and smart of course). For me, the only two people which would make me at least consider changing some of my points of view are Peter Dobromylsky and Art Ayers.

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Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 28, 2011
at 03:37 PM

I think there is an opportunity for this type of question to be asked in a better format with different verbiage. Many of us will likely be somewhat uncomfortable with the notion of placing any of these people on some kind of pedestal. It's not a good idea to do that with anyone really.

Lots of good folk mentioned here, but Don's got to go. I know Edward thinks people reacted poorly to his announcement. I'm sure many did. But for me personally, Don's out, and it's not because I don't know where to place blame. I just think his inappropriately labeled "Farewell to Paleo" was quite trashy.

How about this question...

Who are your favorite sources for information on health and wellness?

To that, I would say, in no particular order:

Stephan Guyenet

Dr. Kurt Harris

Chris Kresser

Chris Masterjohn

Mark Sisson

Honorary (or Secondary) Mentions:

Paul Jaminet

Dr. Art Ayers

Dr. William Davis

If I had to pick just 2 sources only, with no exceptions:

Stephan Guyenet and Chris Masterjohn

And if I had some kind of complex situation that needed to be analyzed and could only go to one individual to break it down, I would have to bring it to CMast.

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(24543)

on June 28, 2011
at 06:24 PM

Melissa- please update us as soon as paleobabby is formed.

D5096ff5baffc0ba5d20b21346414a7a

(1112)

on June 28, 2011
at 04:31 PM

so Melissa..does this answer my question I addressed to you? Chris Masterjohn it is!

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 28, 2011
at 04:02 PM

it would be exciting indeed to see a new creation from the two of you. i'm rooting for you melissa.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on June 28, 2011
at 03:55 PM

Even if I'm not on your list, perhaps I'll get to use the genes of your smartest individual to create a super-smart hybrid.

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1568416ef28477d1fa29046218d83ddd

(6235)

on June 28, 2011
at 12:06 PM

There are a lot of smart people on that list, but I think that focusing on pure horsepower is a problem. Just like when you have a car a big engine is useless without a transmission, driveshaft and wheels, a really powerful intelligence is not useful without the ability to apply the ideas and communicate both the application and the rationale clearly.

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on June 28, 2011
at 10:57 AM

Peter Dobromylskyj, Chris Masterjohn, Emily Deans, Stephan Guyenet, Matt Lalonde and Robb Wolf are probably the 'smartest', but it depends on one's bias! As a real food geek, these are my favourites!

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(13978)

on June 28, 2011
at 12:52 PM

+1 for mentioning "The Kracken"! ;)

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(20436)

on June 28, 2011
at 11:50 AM

I was gonna say Emily Deans! But now I don't have to. (Or did I sneak it in anyways?)

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on June 28, 2011
at 08:33 PM

Forgot to mention J.Stanton and Paul Jaminet!

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on June 28, 2011
at 11:52 AM

Dr. Ron Rosedale (http://drrosedale.com). He is a Paleo Mensch. I can only win with him on fashion and banjo knowledge. Deep banjo knowledge.

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4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

(4359)

on June 28, 2011
at 04:50 PM

The ones I read (and where I think most new ideas originate), in order:

  1. Stephan Guyenet (spot-on opinion-leader; always has been)

  2. Chris Masterjohn (a very close second; also an opinion-leader)

  3. Paul Jaminet (close to spot on; emphasizes supplements a bit too much)

  4. Peter Dobromylsky (genius of low-carb; but wonder why he hasn't moved to accept starch yet; does he read Stephan?)

  5. Chris Kresser (very good series on diseases; great reporting)

  6. Denise Minger (The Great debunker of flawed studies; posts every blue moon)

  7. Melissa McEwan (very good nutrition commentary; somewhat more topical than her BF :))

  8. Art Ayers (Good analysis of interaction between biofilms and nutrition, but has fallen by the wayside)

  9. Don Matesz (even though he's off sometimes, I've learned from him)

  10. The animalpharm lady (sex-obsessed low-carber; occasionally finds and posts true gems)

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on June 28, 2011
at 01:59 PM

I know the thread began with "smartest" and "intelligent". However, I have to say Angelo Coppola does an excellent job of presenting a purely neutral and informative view of the paleodiet world. This is the journalistic perspective. From the scientific perspective, I'd have to agree with Masterjohn, Guyenet, and Wolf.

F040035b2008ec80b205481afbd39ad4

(1837)

on June 28, 2011
at 03:59 PM

Agreed. He does a great job pulling together 'Latest in Paleo'. he shows great energy in researching and producing the show. I find it a great complement to Robb Wolff's podcast.

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B9d7395bdf305a2ddb51cc05a49577d8

(10)

on June 28, 2011
at 08:46 PM

I'm amazed that no one entered Art DeVany = considered by many to be one of the 'grandfathers' of the paleo movement, both for diet & exercise. See www.artdevany.com

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(15976)

on June 28, 2011
at 08:56 PM

no one knows about him now cuz he went behind the paywall years ago.

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(1227)

on August 19, 2011
at 01:58 PM

I paid a year ago, but did not use the site much so am not renewing. I admire his contributions tho.

1
77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 28, 2011
at 05:11 PM

I am unimpressed by gurus. I am impressed with SmartCookie.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 28, 2011
at 05:12 PM

By the way, I have no idea why Chris Kresser is on anybody's list for Paleo's smartest person.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 28, 2011
at 08:24 PM

And nothing for or against Mr. Kresser, but when graduated from Acupuncture school does not have a major bearing on his knowledge of nutrition.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 28, 2011
at 07:34 PM

That's an odd comment Thomas. He's on my list, and staying there until he gives me a good reason to remove him.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 28, 2011
at 08:28 PM

I disagree with you about Chris Kresser. He writes very well informed and well articulated pieces in a simple fashion that is easily understandable and is basically in line with what "Paleo" is and isn't quite well. Until I see otherwise, I will hold my opinion of him where it is. He's one of the loudest voices in the Paleo nutrition world and for good reason. I don't care what his degree says. If the info that he puts out is good, then great. Look at Dr K. He is super educated, and very seasoned in his field, and people give him a hard time for being too complicated. Kresser keeps it simple.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 28, 2011
at 08:32 PM

Jack, who is Don? Seriously I don't know which Don you are talking about. I had no idea that I EVER defended anybody up here. My statement about SmartCookie may have been a first! I knew you were kidding about SmartCookie. However, I know I make a lot of jokes up here and I am often flirty, so I just wanted to take the opportunity to say that it's not serious. I am usually (not always..you know who you are :) ) just playing around.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 28, 2011
at 08:34 PM

hang on... i think i messed up and confused you for someone else regarding Don....

4781cf8ae1bfcb558dfb056af17bea94

(4359)

on June 28, 2011
at 07:20 PM

Because he produces very good work.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 28, 2011
at 07:35 PM

I think Thomas just wants to hook up because he's drooling over that new pic of her.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on June 28, 2011
at 08:23 PM

Yo, chillax! !

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 28, 2011
at 08:56 PM

that's funny about SmartCookie Thomas.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 28, 2011
at 08:29 PM

Also, Kresser explains very openly on his site that he is not an MD. He explains exactly what his qualifications are. What would be the more appropriate thing for him to do? He is not posing. He is not hiding anything.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 28, 2011
at 08:54 PM

Smartcookie is going to kill me, and understandably so! She just began her blog, and it isn't even about Paleo. I just thought her article was well-written and intelligent.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 28, 2011
at 08:47 PM

Jack, obviously I can't read Chris Kresser's mind but he seems to be cultivating "guru" status. Apparently he has succeeded in that. He has a (very recent) degree in acupuncture. Why doesn't he talk about that? He doesn't. Correct me if I am wrong but he tends to speak about these issues from the Western Medicine point of view. That's his right, but I don't think he has that much background to speak authoratively from that perspective. Now he has the Healthy Baby Course. What is that? How is he an expert on that?

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on June 28, 2011
at 08:40 PM

@Tomas - Do you have a link to that blog?

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(3536)

on June 28, 2011
at 05:45 PM

Why do you say that Thomas??

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 28, 2011
at 08:37 PM

sorry man. In the comments below Don's article there is someone named "Thomas" that commented frequently. I don't know why, but I just assumed that was you. I think it's because I see you here so much. That was stupid.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 28, 2011
at 09:32 PM

by the way... my response to that person was "oh no no no. This guy Stephan always suits up in a coat and tie before posting from his home computer. He never posts in his underwear." I think she realized how silly she was being.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 28, 2011
at 08:16 PM

Let's see, he graduated with an Acupuncture degree in 2010, which means he isn't even a very seasoned expert in that area. Now his wife is having a baby and he's styling himself an expert in that arena. Stay tuned. In 2012, he's going to take a shit and profess himself to be an expert in proctology and gastro-intestinal disorders.

0bc6cbb653cdc5e82400f6da920f11eb

(19245)

on June 28, 2011
at 08:41 PM

@Thomas - Do you have a link to that blog?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 28, 2011
at 08:07 PM

As depraved as I might seem, I don't go after women that young. Read her blog. She's definitely smarter than a lot of these poseurs people seem to be "drooling over".

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 28, 2011
at 09:10 PM

Jack, I know that you know your stuff. I am not saying that one needs a degree in nutrition to speak to these issues. I certainly don't have one.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 28, 2011
at 08:49 PM

Jack, no problem, dude. Understandable mistake about mixing me up with that other Thomas.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 28, 2011
at 09:43 PM

Jack, that was me, applauding Don. So you were right. However, that was the only time I have ever read anything by him, so I was only agreeing with what he said there.

Cfc7dee889a66db9cd76c4f348109294

(1652)

on June 28, 2011
at 09:28 PM

Haha! Busted...

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 28, 2011
at 08:55 PM

I guess I look at it from a perspective closer to my own. I don't have a degree in nutrition, but I know a couple things. If I put up a blog people could say the exact same thing about me. In fact, I write articles for my company's health and wellness site. Of course, the stuff I write is nothing like what people are expecting. Many people on the committee that I write for are all about low-fat. Then I load up my articles with ref and I still get people who are skeptical. "Who is this Chris Masterjohn guy? And who is Stephan Guyenet? How do you know it's not some blogger in his underwear?"

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 28, 2011
at 08:19 PM

Who are the posers Thomas? You seem to defend Don pretty strongly, and I think he might be the biggest poser on these lists in my mind. And I was just kidding about SmartCookie. I mean, her pic is surely nice, but I was just making a funny comment because it seemed strange that you dissed all the "gurus". I haven't been to SC's site yet, but I will soon.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18472)

on June 28, 2011
at 09:20 PM

Thomas - I think this is why I thought that was you under Don's article: http://paleohacks.com/questions/44786/don-matesz-the-impact-of-farewell-to-paleo/44821#44821

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on June 28, 2011
at 09:41 PM

Oh man, I was hoping that smartcookie might miss this thread. No, I'm not lucky, I guess :)

02736efa3fda31740e8890eed0cb663d

(1813)

on June 29, 2011
at 08:25 AM

While scientific knowledge on a subject is certainly important, I think being an "expert" is way overrated. Most experts on nutrition seem to be regurgitating the conventional wisdom. Most M.D.s have studied almost no nutrition. Even people involved in research are usually confined to a very specialized area. I think Chris Kresser has two things going for him: he has read a lot of the scientific literature, and he is involved in trying to help real people. Plus, people who clearly know their stuff, like Drs. Deans and Harris, seem to think he knows something.

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E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on June 28, 2011
at 12:08 PM

Jack Kruse

His blog has some awesome info

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(919)

on June 28, 2011
at 01:43 PM

he has to be on a par with Dr. Kurt Harris

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on June 28, 2011
at 02:44 PM

it's quite interesting that his "science" is at odds with that of Dr. Harris and Guyenet.

2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

(919)

on June 28, 2011
at 01:44 PM

PS except that Dr. Harris's approach is more user friendly for the less scientifically-minded like myself

A2fe5bbd09c7804fd321e9e9a9f9d199

(1614)

on June 28, 2011
at 05:44 PM

hopefully that will improve over time. keeping technical jargon to a minimum better connects the concepts to how most minds work, otherwise language gets in the way. summary points help, as well as the larger conceptual framework (quilting) since it's a noble attempt to integrate all this info into an almost narrative structure which can work well for long term absorption.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on June 28, 2011
at 02:40 PM

proof that if you use science-y words people will think you are a scientist and really smart!

E5c7f14800c5992831f5c70fa746dc5c

(12857)

on June 28, 2011
at 05:25 PM

I'm talking about a couple articles mainly his ideas about leaky mitochondria and energy use. I never said the guy knew everything, obviously he doesn't.

100fd85230060e754fc13394eee6d6f1

(18706)

on June 28, 2011
at 04:46 PM

If his blog has any info it is totally obscured by buzz words strung together in a haphazard fashion. I guess it's not surprising that it's mostly the self-professed non-science types who are fooled into thinking there must be something there. It turns out that knowing what those words mean doesn't make his posts more clear.

0
033b030a8dc01c0d17b0357cd02da5d6

(130)

on June 28, 2011
at 10:45 AM

Peter Dobromylskyj (Hyperlipid)

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