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Headed Down a Dark USDA/FDA Alley -- Which experts do you take with you?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created July 08, 2012 at 10:29 PM

If such an occasion arose in which you found yourself headed into a dark alley surrounded by all manner of experts from the USDA, FDA, ADA, AMA, and various other corrupt, inept acronyms, which five experts would you take with you to defend your position and lay waste to the abundance of bovine feces that is likely to spew from the mouthes of the government's dietary imbeciles?

Personally, I'm taking:
-Robb Wolf. The dude is bright and funny as hell. Even if he's not the smartest guy in the alley, he'll certainly have the quickest wit.
-Chris Masterjohn. I think his writings are excellent. There will no doubt be a need for a pro-Cholesterol Captain amongst our strike team.
-Stephan Guyenet. No dogma, loves studying the brain, and doesn't jump to conclusions. Rationality and conservative science is important.
-Anthony Colpo. Love him or hate him, the guy has minimal tolerance for crap science and nonsensical claims. I'm 100% on board for his debunking of low-carb myths, although I think he could do so in a more cordial manner. Ah well, who cares.
-Denise Minger. Holy aptitude for analyzation and detail, Batman. Denise needs to come just in case any angry vegetarians arrive with weaponized China Study launchers. (Plus, she's cute.)

Honorable mentions:
-Mat Lalonde. Abso-freaking-lutely brilliant. And push comes to shove, if somebody throws a punch, I feel like Lalonde could hold his own in a fist fight.
-Kurt Harris. Biting wit, dry humor, and a no B.S. approach to nutrition -- what's not to like?

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on July 09, 2012
at 02:26 PM

I really should have considered bringing more female specific combatants. I mean, I'm not gender discriminant (I love Ms. Minger), but I guess my male brain didn't consider bringing representatives for female only issues. Good call!

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on July 09, 2012
at 04:00 AM

Well then, how about Richard Nikoley? He looks tough and he can talk trash to boot.

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on July 09, 2012
at 03:10 AM

Not a fan of the majority of those bench players, but I really dig the work Ravnskov has done. Good call.

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on July 09, 2012
at 02:46 AM

If we're getting physical, I say John Welbourn. I believe he would eat their (USDA, FDA, ADA, AMA) souls if there was no compliance.

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on July 09, 2012
at 02:36 AM

If we're gonna bring Kresser, I want to give him some vocal coaching beforehand...or load him up with caffeine. The guy has a ton of great insights, but his delivery leaves something to be desired. (At least, that's my feeling based on his podcast.)

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on July 09, 2012
at 02:16 AM

Good point, cerement. I say bring both!

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on July 09, 2012
at 02:00 AM

Taubes alone would suffice.

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on July 09, 2012
at 01:50 AM

I don't know, if we can resurrect people for this battle, we should just get an army of primitive peoples.

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on July 09, 2012
at 01:30 AM

If you want a poster boy, Art de Vany, shirtless, at 73, would beat out Sisson ...

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on July 09, 2012
at 12:07 AM

Eesh, I take a bit of issue with this one. His debunking of the lipid hypothesis / Sat. Fat hatred is excellent, but when devising the carbohydrate-insulin hypothesis, "science" wasn't used.

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on July 09, 2012
at 12:03 AM

Gary Taubes - while not a Paleo expert per se, his willingness (and eagerness) to beat down the "established authority" with Science would earn him a place in my top five

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on July 09, 2012
at 02:00 AM

Taubes alone would suffice.

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on July 09, 2012
at 12:07 AM

Eesh, I take a bit of issue with this one. His debunking of the lipid hypothesis / Sat. Fat hatred is excellent, but when devising the carbohydrate-insulin hypothesis, "science" wasn't used.

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on July 08, 2012
at 11:06 PM

It would have to be Melissa Mcewen, Denise Minger, and Nell Stephenson because having 3 small, smart, and cute girls around I suppose is about the only way one could get me to stay in a dark alley with proselytizing experts for anything longer than a couple minutes.

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on July 08, 2012
at 10:47 PM

I'd swap Colpo and Minger for Kresser and Lalonde. :) I feel like a kid with baseball cards again!

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on July 09, 2012
at 02:36 AM

If we're gonna bring Kresser, I want to give him some vocal coaching beforehand...or load him up with caffeine. The guy has a ton of great insights, but his delivery leaves something to be desired. (At least, that's my feeling based on his podcast.)

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on July 09, 2012
at 01:32 AM

Are we talking guys who could physically beat some ass?

Matt Lalonde

Robb Wolf

Gary Taubes (used to be an amateur boxer)

If we are talking purely debate....my winning team would be

Lalonde (forceful speaker and can deal with the biochemistry)

Kresser (extremely broad knowledge base + deals with patients)

Ned Kock (statistician to deal with epidemiology and is very underrated in the paleo communitty IMO)

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on July 09, 2012
at 02:46 AM

If we're getting physical, I say John Welbourn. I believe he would eat their (USDA, FDA, ADA, AMA) souls if there was no compliance.

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on July 09, 2012
at 04:00 AM

Well then, how about Richard Nikoley? He looks tough and he can talk trash to boot.

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on July 09, 2012
at 12:59 AM

Potato Avenger hit all the biggies I would want in my corner.

But just for kicks, I would bring Mark Sisson, shirtless, and make sure all the FDA/USDA crackpots knew exactly how old he is. =)

Edited to add: She may not be glamorous, but nobody knows more about how GOOD saturated fat is for you (and how insanely terrible trans fats and too much n-6 is) than Mary Enig.

Damn, I wish Weston Price were still alive... I assume we have to keep our picks to the living? Hehheh. ;-)

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on July 09, 2012
at 02:16 AM

Good point, cerement. I say bring both!

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on July 09, 2012
at 01:30 AM

If you want a poster boy, Art de Vany, shirtless, at 73, would beat out Sisson ...

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on July 09, 2012
at 01:50 AM

I don't know, if we can resurrect people for this battle, we should just get an army of primitive peoples.

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on July 08, 2012
at 10:51 PM

Me, myself, and I.....I cant think of two more :)

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on July 09, 2012
at 03:39 PM

I wouldn't want anyone with a vested interest selling books or supplements. Taubes, Wolf, Nora, etc. Too much commercial intent. With Taubes now writing for Reader's Digest he might switch sides for a buck. Dr. Oz would be just as valuable in a scrap.

Guyenet, Minger and Kock. Solid, honest and not a glimmer of paleo hucksterism.

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on July 09, 2012
at 02:00 PM

I would take Balanced Bites, Cave Girl Eats and Nora Gedgaudas. I want advice for what's best for women!

My 4th and 5th would probably be Robb and Greg Everett...for the comic relief.

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on July 09, 2012
at 02:26 PM

I really should have considered bringing more female specific combatants. I mean, I'm not gender discriminant (I love Ms. Minger), but I guess my male brain didn't consider bringing representatives for female only issues. Good call!

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on July 09, 2012
at 02:51 AM

Having given this some more thought, I still agree with Potato Avenger on the top picks, but if we could have a backup team, I'd choose:

Jeff Volek, Steve Phinney, Richard Feinman, and/or Eric Westman. I know low-carb is like poison around here lately, but let's please not discount the thousands of people who thrive on LC (me included) -- and how much amazing research on human metabolism has come out of the LC world.

Julia Ross -- she could give the pharmaceutical companies a run for their money when it comes to mental health.

Natasha Campbell McBride - few people have her expertise when it comes to what the modern diet has done to our kids. (And everyone else, for that matter, but her stuff on autism and the gut is just brilliant.)

William Davis -- a cardiologist who knows the real deal about heart disease and diet? Yes, please.

Uffe Ravnskov. Definitely. (But we have to work on his accent...he can be hard to understand.) ;-)

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on July 09, 2012
at 03:10 AM

Not a fan of the majority of those bench players, but I really dig the work Ravnskov has done. Good call.

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on July 08, 2012
at 11:03 PM

It would have to be Melissa Mcewen, Denise Minger, and Nell Stephenson because having 3 small, smart, and cute girls around I suppose is the only way one could get me to stay in a dark alley with proselytizing experts for anything longer than a couple minutes.

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on July 08, 2012
at 10:55 PM

Well, it would have to be Melissa Mcewen, Denise Minger, and Nell Stephenson because having 3 small, smart, and cute girls around would be the only way one could get me to stay in dark alley with proselytizing experts for anything longer than a couple minutes.

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