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Is "Paleo" a diet or a lifestyle to you?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created February 27, 2011 at 2:03 PM

I see a lot of people on here either whining about cravings or endlessly pontificating and over-intellectualizing a completely SIMPLE way of life. Do you go barefoot? Do you eat completely organic? Do you filter rain water through a Berkey? Do you avoid commercially made detergents, cleansers, toothpastes, etc and make your own? Are you aware of GMOs, fluoride, vaccines, etc? Do you watch TV? Do you adjust to the rhythms of Earth and go to bed early and rise early? Do you workout on an empty stomach and intermittently fast? Do you hunt? A lot of you seem to be almost pure carnivores which would lead me to believe you are NOT hunters. Not judging, just curious....

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on February 27, 2011
at 11:51 PM

Not a real question, just being an asshole

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on February 27, 2011
at 08:31 PM

right back at ya, melissa. we area ll coming from different places, on different journeys. we all have different levels of commitment, and interpret the fine points of "paleo" in different ways. ive found this community to overall be very supportive of those differences. i dont think there are a lot of people here too interested in sanctimonious one-upmanship. at least, i know im not...

1acc4ee9381d9a8d998b59915b3f997e

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on February 27, 2011
at 07:44 PM

You don't value civility, either, Elizabeth...you're just hiding behind it. Because everyone's feelings *except* TSST's mattered to you. If you valued civility, you would have suggested to those who responded to TSST in a judgemental way that they might want to consider what he is saying instead of just reacting to it, because civility isn't a tit-for-tat game. But more to the point, you could also have said to TSST, "Yeah, some of us whine and pontificate...*so what*? But since your ego is invested in being "civil", you spouted bullshit instead.

0bcefaa82dc94f93ce705f86e235f335

(1591)

on February 27, 2011
at 07:13 PM

I value civility. Clearly, you don't.

1acc4ee9381d9a8d998b59915b3f997e

(2099)

on February 27, 2011
at 05:54 PM

He didn't upset *my* feelings, Elizabeth. There was nothing directed at anyone personally in his question, so why would anyone take personal offense? If you want to be offended *for* people, go right ahead, but that's awefully presumptious of you, don't you think? I see the judgemental reactions to his question as a glaring example of group-think, and all your concern about peoples' feelings as bullshit.

0bcefaa82dc94f93ce705f86e235f335

(1591)

on February 27, 2011
at 05:46 PM

Finally, I don't disagree that a lot of people on PH make Paleo very, very complicated. That's an interesting question. Denigrating people is not interesting, unless one likes drama - I guess a lot of folks here do.

0bcefaa82dc94f93ce705f86e235f335

(1591)

on February 27, 2011
at 05:44 PM

Also, I think calling people "whiners" for asking for help with problems, or "pontificators" for trying to spread their particular brand of paleo is definitely attacking and provocative, and you can't convince me that word choice doesn't matter.

0bcefaa82dc94f93ce705f86e235f335

(1591)

on February 27, 2011
at 05:43 PM

Helen, people have feelings, you know? Sure, we could walk around the world pointing at people and shouting, "Hey, fatty, put down the potato chips!" and it might be true, but it's not helpful, either in conveying an important message (nurtrition is the basis for health) or in helping the object of our communcation (who is going to feel like shit and defensive when someone mocks or denigrates them). It's nice to pretend that we're all nutrition robots, but I'm starting to think that there's a strong Aspie contingent here on PH, given the amount of outright rudeness and insensitivity.

1acc4ee9381d9a8d998b59915b3f997e

(2099)

on February 27, 2011
at 05:25 PM

@Elizabeth: LOL...People do whine and pontificate here, Elizabeth. I don't mind that they whine and pontificate. I whine and pontificate, too. There is nothing wrong with whining and pontificating...all of us are only human and sometimes we feel sorry for ourselves and full of ourselves and so we whine and/or pontificate. We shouldn't kill the messenger simply for pointing it out to us.

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

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on February 27, 2011
at 05:15 PM

I agree with a lot of what you are saying.

0bcefaa82dc94f93ce705f86e235f335

(1591)

on February 27, 2011
at 05:13 PM

"Whining" and "pontificating" aren't neutral words - they're condescending and rude. A question that says "Do some folks over-analyze Paleo?" might be useful (although PH isn't supposed to be for general discussion, but for questions that have a definite answer). The OP's question is not. I downvoted him, and I downvoted you for supporting his crappy question.

1acc4ee9381d9a8d998b59915b3f997e

(2099)

on February 27, 2011
at 04:18 PM

LOL...I knew that at least one person would vote my answer down. It makes me laugh, really, that people could be so silly and defensive.

0bcefaa82dc94f93ce705f86e235f335

(1591)

on February 27, 2011
at 03:54 PM

IF this is the quality of folks who wandered over from KH's defunct forums, no wonder he closed them.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on February 27, 2011
at 03:46 PM

Damn akd, no wonder I love you! I think you just described me. <3

1acc4ee9381d9a8d998b59915b3f997e

(2099)

on February 27, 2011
at 03:46 PM

Oops. Make that *Not in His Image: Gnostic vision, sacred ecology and the future of belief* by John Lamb Lash

1acc4ee9381d9a8d998b59915b3f997e

(2099)

on February 27, 2011
at 03:44 PM

There is a book that you might be interested in, 7councilfires, called Not in His Image: Gnostic vision, sacred ecology, and the future of belief by John Lamb Lash. Actually, I can't recommend it highly enough.

1acc4ee9381d9a8d998b59915b3f997e

(2099)

on February 27, 2011
at 03:40 PM

There is a book that you might be interested in, 7councilfires, called *Not in His Image: Gnostic vision, sacred ecology, and the future of belief* by John Lamb Lash.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on February 27, 2011
at 03:37 PM

Thanks for sharing n thanks for the tip!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on February 27, 2011
at 03:36 PM

Thank you for sharing.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on February 27, 2011
at 03:36 PM

Thank you for sharing.

9cfa1ab909f6f89544be665d4ef6e3ea

on February 27, 2011
at 03:36 PM

"If someone is comfortable with who they are, they don't feel threatened by who other people are."

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on February 27, 2011
at 03:35 PM

Thank you for sharing.

9cfa1ab909f6f89544be665d4ef6e3ea

on February 27, 2011
at 03:35 PM

"Yeah, well, that's just like, your opinion, man."

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on February 27, 2011
at 03:33 PM

Thanks guys however, "whining and endlessly pontificating" is what it is.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on February 27, 2011
at 03:20 PM

Its not about "trying" to do anything. Its about expressing our inherent human animal....through many of the things you mention such as hunting, fishing, hiking, self-defense, barefoot, lifting heavy. Its not about BECOMING....its about BEING.

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on February 27, 2011
at 02:57 PM

"ENDLESSLY pontificating"....yeah, sounds pretty judgmental to me. look, we are all here with different levels of experience, varying personal goals, and a variety of lifestyles. i dont hunt, i vaccinated my kids and (HORRORS!) didnt breastfeed either of them. i love bad reality TV and probably go to bed too late. i still consider myself "paleo", FWIW and have questions about things like cravings. i would like to ask my peers without thinking someone is looking down their nose at me and my limited experience and different goals.

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

(7314)

on February 27, 2011
at 02:56 PM

Why is adding in carbs not strict paleo?

5ccb98f6ae42ce87e206cf3f6a86039f

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on February 27, 2011
at 02:49 PM

or "pontificating"

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

(15239)

on February 27, 2011
at 02:45 PM

if youre not judging, you might not want to tell people they are "whining".

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1acc4ee9381d9a8d998b59915b3f997e

(2099)

on February 27, 2011
at 03:59 PM

I wanted to tell you, 7councilfires, that I up-voted your quesion because I think, too, that some people around here do alot of pontificating and over-intellectualize what is really a very, very simple paradigm, but then someone voted your question down again. And I'll tell you something else...if my agreeing with you and up-voting your question puts me on the outs with anyone, I really don't give a shit. I thought you asked a very good question, and I did not perceive it as judgemental. The judgemental ones are the ones who took offense to your question and reacted judgementally themselves. And if that makes me a persona non grata around here, well, I really don't care.

A68f24168bc0de414a038037e287b581

(4896)

on February 27, 2011
at 05:15 PM

I agree with a lot of what you are saying.

1acc4ee9381d9a8d998b59915b3f997e

(2099)

on February 27, 2011
at 05:25 PM

@Elizabeth: LOL...People do whine and pontificate here, Elizabeth. I don't mind that they whine and pontificate. I whine and pontificate, too. There is nothing wrong with whining and pontificating...all of us are only human and sometimes we feel sorry for ourselves and full of ourselves and so we whine and/or pontificate. We shouldn't kill the messenger simply for pointing it out to us.

1acc4ee9381d9a8d998b59915b3f997e

(2099)

on February 27, 2011
at 07:44 PM

You don't value civility, either, Elizabeth...you're just hiding behind it. Because everyone's feelings *except* TSST's mattered to you. If you valued civility, you would have suggested to those who responded to TSST in a judgemental way that they might want to consider what he is saying instead of just reacting to it, because civility isn't a tit-for-tat game. But more to the point, you could also have said to TSST, "Yeah, some of us whine and pontificate...*so what*? But since your ego is invested in being "civil", you spouted bullshit instead.

0bcefaa82dc94f93ce705f86e235f335

(1591)

on February 27, 2011
at 05:13 PM

"Whining" and "pontificating" aren't neutral words - they're condescending and rude. A question that says "Do some folks over-analyze Paleo?" might be useful (although PH isn't supposed to be for general discussion, but for questions that have a definite answer). The OP's question is not. I downvoted him, and I downvoted you for supporting his crappy question.

0bcefaa82dc94f93ce705f86e235f335

(1591)

on February 27, 2011
at 05:46 PM

Finally, I don't disagree that a lot of people on PH make Paleo very, very complicated. That's an interesting question. Denigrating people is not interesting, unless one likes drama - I guess a lot of folks here do.

0bcefaa82dc94f93ce705f86e235f335

(1591)

on February 27, 2011
at 05:43 PM

Helen, people have feelings, you know? Sure, we could walk around the world pointing at people and shouting, "Hey, fatty, put down the potato chips!" and it might be true, but it's not helpful, either in conveying an important message (nurtrition is the basis for health) or in helping the object of our communcation (who is going to feel like shit and defensive when someone mocks or denigrates them). It's nice to pretend that we're all nutrition robots, but I'm starting to think that there's a strong Aspie contingent here on PH, given the amount of outright rudeness and insensitivity.

0bcefaa82dc94f93ce705f86e235f335

(1591)

on February 27, 2011
at 07:13 PM

I value civility. Clearly, you don't.

1acc4ee9381d9a8d998b59915b3f997e

(2099)

on February 27, 2011
at 04:18 PM

LOL...I knew that at least one person would vote my answer down. It makes me laugh, really, that people could be so silly and defensive.

1acc4ee9381d9a8d998b59915b3f997e

(2099)

on February 27, 2011
at 05:54 PM

He didn't upset *my* feelings, Elizabeth. There was nothing directed at anyone personally in his question, so why would anyone take personal offense? If you want to be offended *for* people, go right ahead, but that's awefully presumptious of you, don't you think? I see the judgemental reactions to his question as a glaring example of group-think, and all your concern about peoples' feelings as bullshit.

0bcefaa82dc94f93ce705f86e235f335

(1591)

on February 27, 2011
at 05:44 PM

Also, I think calling people "whiners" for asking for help with problems, or "pontificators" for trying to spread their particular brand of paleo is definitely attacking and provocative, and you can't convince me that word choice doesn't matter.

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1acc4ee9381d9a8d998b59915b3f997e

(2099)

on February 27, 2011
at 03:25 PM

For me its neither...its simply a guide to what may or may not be the best way for me to eat. I'm not strict paleo...I eat low-carb forms of dairy like hard cheese and butter, etc. And I'm not about to give up coffee or wine. But still, the paleo paradigm is a much better guide than, say, the official U.S. "food pyramid".

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on February 27, 2011
at 03:36 PM

Thank you for sharing.

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on February 27, 2011
at 04:18 PM

Am I misinterpreting this site? I thought it was a forum for sharing information on how to tweak, or "hack" your diet and exercise to improve performance, health or weight loss. That said, I'll play along. My family hunts, fishes, gardens and is outside the majority of the time when the weather is nice. I live in a house on 7 acres, that we built, that is totally off grid. Due to our greywater recycling system we use to water our orchard and garden, I use mild, natural soaps. I don't believe in vaccinating or medicating my children but these are just things that make sense to me. I'm not trying to be paleo I'm just living my life how it feels right, including watching TV, wearing high heels occasionally, driving an SUV, using deodorant and toothpaste, working out at a gym and a bunch of other very uncaveman activities.

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Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

(7314)

on February 27, 2011
at 02:10 PM

For me, it's both. I eat paleo, of course, and that to me is very important. But I also do IF, try to go barefoot and go on walks when possible, go to bed as early as I can, etc. When I started, paleo was strictly food, but over time I have realized how evolution touches many more aspects of our lives than just nutrition.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on February 27, 2011
at 03:36 PM

Thank you for sharing.

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on February 27, 2011
at 03:24 PM

Do you go barefoot? * whenever possible* Do you eat completely organic? * Nope, can't afford it* Do you filter rain water through a Berkey? * Nope* Do you avoid commercially made detergents, cleansers, toothpastes, etc and make your own? nope Are you aware of GMOs, fluoride, vaccines, etc? * yes I avoid GMOs and floride, I'll take the vacines* Do you watch TV? Do you adjust to the rhythms of Earth and go to bed early and rise early? Do you workout on an empty stomach and intermittently fast? Some of the time (when I have that much control over my schedule) Do you hunt? no but many of my friends do. I do fish

Like Mari; it started as a diet and has evolved. To me it's not about being a 'cave man' but more about simplifying. Eating closer to the land, driving less/ walking more, If I ever get to 10% BF I'd love to add a fruit smoothie with some protein after every workout!

Thanks for asking, bob

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on February 27, 2011
at 03:35 PM

Thank you for sharing.

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A5c6b0371d6367f68c7438c9aef29c4d

on February 27, 2011
at 03:13 PM

It's just food to me. A WOE is all. I do go barefoot. I grew up in the Martial Arts so I always have. Same with hunting, fishing, hiking, climbing, etc.... I've always lifted heavy stuff.

I believe training in a fasted state is counterproductive and ignorant!

I believe anyone who believed Paleo people didn't have smoked meat or forage left over from previous meals to get to the next meal is ignorant.

I believe anyone who believes we were persistent hunters has never hunted and can't see we invented better weapons, not a better ability to run. Not to mention they ignore the deleterious effects of distance running.

I believe anyone trying to live a "Paleo" lifestyle is a hopelessly lost romantic.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on February 27, 2011
at 03:20 PM

Its not about "trying" to do anything. Its about expressing our inherent human animal....through many of the things you mention such as hunting, fishing, hiking, self-defense, barefoot, lifting heavy. Its not about BECOMING....its about BEING.

1acc4ee9381d9a8d998b59915b3f997e

(2099)

on February 27, 2011
at 03:40 PM

There is a book that you might be interested in, 7councilfires, called *Not in His Image: Gnostic vision, sacred ecology, and the future of belief* by John Lamb Lash.

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on February 27, 2011
at 02:45 PM

lifestyle......but once your fit....10% of body fat......if you really want optimal performance for glycolytic exercise you will have to add in carbs post work out. Strict paleo is great fro fat shredding but extreme low carb below ten percent body fat cut performance by increasing cortisol levels.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on February 27, 2011
at 03:37 PM

Thanks for sharing n thanks for the tip!

Cab7e4ef73c5d7d7a77e1c3d7f5773a1

(7314)

on February 27, 2011
at 02:56 PM

Why is adding in carbs not strict paleo?

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