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A girl (4) and her chocolate milk...Which is the lesser evil?

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Created August 28, 2012 at 3:46 PM

My daughter is a chocolate milk junkie...I have been cutting back on the amount of chocolate milk she gets in my home, but she lives with her father part time, so cutting it out completely is impossible...He feeds her junk and McDonalds and Hershey's syrup chocolate milk...I have been giving her Chocolate Ovaltine in whole milk about half the time, and chocolate soymilk the other half (she is only allowed chocolate milk when she wakes up from rest and bed)...Would you recommend I switch her to chocolate almond milk?

I wish I could cut it out, but she's got enough going on (her dad and I have been divorcing for half her life now...She's 4 and we're almost to the 2 year point in our divorce)...

My aim is not to make her 100% paleo or primal...I just want her to have the healthiest food I can give her while she is with me...

Thanks :-)

0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

Why give your daughter cow's milk if she already has access to breastmilk?

2a00b9a42e4cb6e489a0e69d20714576

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on August 29, 2012
at 12:11 PM

Why not? The coconut milk is so sweet there's no sugar needed.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on August 29, 2012
at 04:52 AM

Kate, I went through the same thing. It is because he wants to show you that he rejects you because you rejected him. All you have to do is 1. keep all your interactions to a bare minimum, less is more. Do not initiate any communication. 2. When you talk, be very business like and receptive to his ideas. Basically, just say "OK" and "sure" many times. Treat him as you would a business partner. Good luck!

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on August 29, 2012
at 04:47 AM

I want to warn you about raw honey. It depends on her immune system, wait to introduce it a bit later. I would add over-ripe banana.

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on August 29, 2012
at 01:17 AM

+10000000000000.

65333605eb0e62ccdb9ffaac00727bc6

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on August 29, 2012
at 12:09 AM

That's a nice idea, Allie...Hopefully some day we will have that kind of relationship...We are in year two of a very messy divorce...Anything that I have to say is immediately smacked down and I'm treated like a jerk.

65333605eb0e62ccdb9ffaac00727bc6

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on August 29, 2012
at 12:05 AM

Very cool...Might be a good naughty snack for when a mama needs a lil'chocolate too, you know?

65333605eb0e62ccdb9ffaac00727bc6

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on August 29, 2012
at 12:05 AM

I didn't know that...I'll have to give that a shot :-)

65333605eb0e62ccdb9ffaac00727bc6

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on August 29, 2012
at 12:02 AM

I'll have to try it with cocoa powder...I've tried to get her to drink smoothies repeatedly (even gave her one when I served one to her cousins, thinking monkey see, you know?) and she always turns her nose up at it...I have the pickiest kid :rolleyes:

65333605eb0e62ccdb9ffaac00727bc6

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on August 29, 2012
at 12:00 AM

I'm sorry to hear that...Thank you for all the sacrifices I know that your family makes <3 As a side note, I had insufficient milk supply when my daughter was an infant...I did everything that I could to keep her fed...I got the job done until I had to go back to work, but then I had to supplement...It's tough being a nursing mom...Often people don't know what it's like and can't imagine the internal turmoil that it can cause (for me it was terrible) <3

65333605eb0e62ccdb9ffaac00727bc6

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on August 28, 2012
at 11:56 PM

I feel for you...It's painful for everyone involved :-( <3

53ae5256bd5ba7fadcf3755115cbc1d5

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on August 28, 2012
at 11:50 PM

we have the same problem. My two wonderful stepkids have a mother who feeds them a SUPER-SAD diet. DSS12 is obese and both he and DSD8 have chronic constipation. They are only fed crap and then it makes them sick- they keep getting fed crap and they just get sicker. Mom kind of shrugs her morbidly obese shoulders and says "I tell them to eat healthy and they don't?" AND SHE'S A NURSE!!! they come to our house and every meal is a FIGHT they literally CRY because they aren't getting McDonald's and Krispy Kreme for every meal (but they do get their laxatives) SO FRUSTRATING! can't you tell?

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on August 28, 2012
at 10:44 PM

Keep in mind Ovaltine is malt=wheat!

D00765f23491e27d913753d608798cad

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on August 28, 2012
at 09:03 PM

Oh and this is one of those things where when the kid gets involved they are much more likely to eat it. My 3 year old gets very excited about selecting and adding the ingredients to the blender and pushing the button.

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on August 28, 2012
at 07:24 PM

It shouldn't, unless you use too much chocolate. You might want to toss it in a blender or bullet while it's hot. Or, you could just put make it in either one. Ganache is thick, but it's usually one part cream to two parts chocolate, with butter for shine. If you use two parts cream to one part chocolate, it will be fine. Remeber not to boil the cream, though. Heat it to just before a boil and don't burn it. When I make ganache, I sprinkle some sugar in the pot and leave it, which means I can heat the cream without stirring, it won't burn. But you don't want added sugar.

Fb677d93955eb0fac597e3d94db92980

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on August 28, 2012
at 06:48 PM

@bonebroth: full time working military mom. I can only pump so much and she still nurses through the night because of it. :( @Kate: I completely understand. I'm about to enter a similar situation.

65333605eb0e62ccdb9ffaac00727bc6

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on August 28, 2012
at 06:38 PM

Thank you thank you thank you...It is so great to hear from someone who is going through a similar situation <3

65333605eb0e62ccdb9ffaac00727bc6

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on August 28, 2012
at 06:36 PM

When I mix chocolate milk myself, I've been using ovaltine (at a fraction of the serving size...it's *HUGE*)...It seemed to be the least terrible commercially prepared mix.

65333605eb0e62ccdb9ffaac00727bc6

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on August 28, 2012
at 06:30 PM

Chocolate almond is pretty much the same price as the soy...I'll do the switcheroo and hope she likes it ;-)

65333605eb0e62ccdb9ffaac00727bc6

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on August 28, 2012
at 06:25 PM

Do you think it would solidify when it cools? My picky little mama doesn't like hot chocolate (I know...only kid in the history of the world who doesn't like hot chocolate...even in the winter!)

65333605eb0e62ccdb9ffaac00727bc6

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on August 28, 2012
at 06:23 PM

I guess the biggest problem I have is that I have her all day during the week, but then she goes home to her fathers Monday and Tuesday nights...When she's not here her diet is terrible... I'm not so worried about people judging me...She's my child, after all ;-)

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at 06:20 PM

LOL You're funny...I like it ;-)

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C2ad96801ec1e22d2bf62475b6e52751

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on August 28, 2012
at 04:24 PM

A girl (4) and her chocolate milk???Which is the lesser evil?

The girl.

65333605eb0e62ccdb9ffaac00727bc6

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on August 28, 2012
at 06:20 PM

LOL You're funny...I like it ;-)

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506baaf161d3787df898017cd51be386

on August 28, 2012
at 04:32 PM

My son is the same age, and I have the exact same situation. I share custody with his father, who feeds him crap. I have found that he LOVES the chocolate almond milk and last night, he actually got upset at what I was eating (eggs,onion,spinach,mushrooms,bacon, and avocado) vs. what he had. He wanted my dinner! I inadvertently made him paleo. lol. I've been cooking a lot and only healthy foods. The more I cook and the more variety I have, the more he wants to try. He already snacks on almonds with me and loves them. I think it was better to not force paleo, but to slowly switch/transition some of his foods. That way he feels like it's his choice. I'm not trying to get him on Paleo but the healthier he'll eat on his own, the better :)

65333605eb0e62ccdb9ffaac00727bc6

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on August 28, 2012
at 06:38 PM

Thank you thank you thank you...It is so great to hear from someone who is going through a similar situation <3

65333605eb0e62ccdb9ffaac00727bc6

(150)

on August 28, 2012
at 11:56 PM

I feel for you...It's painful for everyone involved :-( <3

53ae5256bd5ba7fadcf3755115cbc1d5

(190)

on August 28, 2012
at 11:50 PM

we have the same problem. My two wonderful stepkids have a mother who feeds them a SUPER-SAD diet. DSS12 is obese and both he and DSD8 have chronic constipation. They are only fed crap and then it makes them sick- they keep getting fed crap and they just get sicker. Mom kind of shrugs her morbidly obese shoulders and says "I tell them to eat healthy and they don't?" AND SHE'S A NURSE!!! they come to our house and every meal is a FIGHT they literally CRY because they aren't getting McDonald's and Krispy Kreme for every meal (but they do get their laxatives) SO FRUSTRATING! can't you tell?

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Fb677d93955eb0fac597e3d94db92980

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on August 28, 2012
at 04:34 PM

I know many may judge giving her chocolate milk at all but i sympathize with your situation.

Here is what i would do: First: no more soy! Second: slowly dilute the amount of chocolate with more milk. I'm not anti dairy and my daughter drinks organic whole milk mixed with breastmilk (she's one though) Third: learn about all of the tasty paleo treats and try them out. Even better, make them with her around the time when she would get chocolate milk. It's a good distraction, she will be more inclined to try them, she will enjoy helping mommy, and she'll be exposed to healthier food. Win-win-win-win! :)

0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

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on September 07, 2013
at 01:28 AM

Why give your daughter cow's milk if she already has access to breastmilk?

65333605eb0e62ccdb9ffaac00727bc6

(150)

on August 29, 2012
at 12:00 AM

I'm sorry to hear that...Thank you for all the sacrifices I know that your family makes <3 As a side note, I had insufficient milk supply when my daughter was an infant...I did everything that I could to keep her fed...I got the job done until I had to go back to work, but then I had to supplement...It's tough being a nursing mom...Often people don't know what it's like and can't imagine the internal turmoil that it can cause (for me it was terrible) <3

Fb677d93955eb0fac597e3d94db92980

(1115)

on August 28, 2012
at 06:48 PM

@bonebroth: full time working military mom. I can only pump so much and she still nurses through the night because of it. :( @Kate: I completely understand. I'm about to enter a similar situation.

65333605eb0e62ccdb9ffaac00727bc6

(150)

on August 28, 2012
at 06:23 PM

I guess the biggest problem I have is that I have her all day during the week, but then she goes home to her fathers Monday and Tuesday nights...When she's not here her diet is terrible... I'm not so worried about people judging me...She's my child, after all ;-)

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F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on August 28, 2012
at 06:55 PM

How about taking raw organic milk and mixing it with some real organic cocoa powder using a shaker or a blender? I would also add organic cream and .... something sweet. It will taste like a milkshake.

65333605eb0e62ccdb9ffaac00727bc6

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on August 29, 2012
at 12:05 AM

I didn't know that...I'll have to give that a shot :-)

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on August 29, 2012
at 01:17 AM

+10000000000000.

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

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on August 29, 2012
at 04:47 AM

I want to warn you about raw honey. It depends on her immune system, wait to introduce it a bit later. I would add over-ripe banana.

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on August 28, 2012
at 05:54 PM

Cut out the soymilk first, that is a giant step in the right direction. If chocolate almond milk is not cost prohibitive, that is great. If it is, then just stick with whole milk.

65333605eb0e62ccdb9ffaac00727bc6

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on August 28, 2012
at 06:30 PM

Chocolate almond is pretty much the same price as the soy...I'll do the switcheroo and hope she likes it ;-)

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Cc3ce03985eac5ebcbb95fc2329f13b0

on August 28, 2012
at 05:40 PM

How about making hot chocolate milk with organic milk and a quality dark couverture? Couverture is a chocolate that has at least 32% cocoa butter in it. You can buy it in small disks at bulk stores, heat the milk, pour it over the chocolate, and let the chocolate melt, almost like making a ganache. After about 5-10 minutes, stir it really well. If it needs sweetening, add honey or Xylitol. This way you're controlling the quality of the ingredients, the sugar, and using a whole fat milk. There's no reason you could not do this with whipping cream.

Make sure it's couverture, not coating chocolate, which has had all the cocoa butter removed and replaced with bad oils.

65333605eb0e62ccdb9ffaac00727bc6

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on August 28, 2012
at 06:25 PM

Do you think it would solidify when it cools? My picky little mama doesn't like hot chocolate (I know...only kid in the history of the world who doesn't like hot chocolate...even in the winter!)

Cc3ce03985eac5ebcbb95fc2329f13b0

(7370)

on August 28, 2012
at 07:24 PM

It shouldn't, unless you use too much chocolate. You might want to toss it in a blender or bullet while it's hot. Or, you could just put make it in either one. Ganache is thick, but it's usually one part cream to two parts chocolate, with butter for shine. If you use two parts cream to one part chocolate, it will be fine. Remeber not to boil the cream, though. Heat it to just before a boil and don't burn it. When I make ganache, I sprinkle some sugar in the pot and leave it, which means I can heat the cream without stirring, it won't burn. But you don't want added sugar.

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D00765f23491e27d913753d608798cad

on August 28, 2012
at 09:02 PM

What about smoothies? I do a frozen ripe banana in the blender w/ cocoa powder and a mix of coconut and almond milk and my 3 year old and 1 year old both love it.

D00765f23491e27d913753d608798cad

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on August 28, 2012
at 09:03 PM

Oh and this is one of those things where when the kid gets involved they are much more likely to eat it. My 3 year old gets very excited about selecting and adding the ingredients to the blender and pushing the button.

65333605eb0e62ccdb9ffaac00727bc6

(150)

on August 29, 2012
at 12:02 AM

I'll have to try it with cocoa powder...I've tried to get her to drink smoothies repeatedly (even gave her one when I served one to her cousins, thinking monkey see, you know?) and she always turns her nose up at it...I have the pickiest kid :rolleyes:

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B1fcaceba952861d0324bdb291edbbe0

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on August 28, 2012
at 08:36 PM

Like many have suggested, I'd start mixing her your own chocolate milk. Whole milk + cocoa powder + raw honey to sweeten. Make a couple extra bottles of it for her when she goes to see her dad.

(As an aside, if you decide to send her with some chocolate milk - mention you made some that are a healthier alternative and you were trying to make it a little easier for him. If he's receptive to this idea, then maybe you can start making other paleo snacks she can take with her in the future.)

F5a0ddffcf9ef5beca864050f090a790

(15515)

on August 29, 2012
at 04:52 AM

Kate, I went through the same thing. It is because he wants to show you that he rejects you because you rejected him. All you have to do is 1. keep all your interactions to a bare minimum, less is more. Do not initiate any communication. 2. When you talk, be very business like and receptive to his ideas. Basically, just say "OK" and "sure" many times. Treat him as you would a business partner. Good luck!

65333605eb0e62ccdb9ffaac00727bc6

(150)

on August 29, 2012
at 12:09 AM

That's a nice idea, Allie...Hopefully some day we will have that kind of relationship...We are in year two of a very messy divorce...Anything that I have to say is immediately smacked down and I'm treated like a jerk.

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on August 28, 2012
at 05:33 PM

I personally don't mind my daughter having dairy. I wouldn't say that chocolate itself and milk itself are bad. The added ingredients and sugars in commercially bought and prepared chocolate milk is what's going to be the worst. If you want to do chocolate milk, maybe use unsweetened or less sweetened chocolate and real milk?

65333605eb0e62ccdb9ffaac00727bc6

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on August 28, 2012
at 06:36 PM

When I mix chocolate milk myself, I've been using ovaltine (at a fraction of the serving size...it's *HUGE*)...It seemed to be the least terrible commercially prepared mix.

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96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on August 29, 2012
at 01:20 AM

You could also take an ounce of dark chocolate and melt it with a metal whisk in a sauce pan and pour milk over it, and keep stirring it as it heats up until the chocolate dissolves. You can absolutely use 100% baking chocolate for this.

Then, once it's done, sweeten with something you approve of: honey, maple syrup, stevia for example. (Avoid agave, it's pure fructose, avoid artificial sweeteners, they're toxic.)

Add a tablespoon of real vanilla extract and you'll have a chocolate milk that's much tastier than anything that comes from a supermarket.

If she likes it cold, make it ahead of time and put it in the fridge. If not, you could also include coconut oil in it for an extra kick.

And best of all you can use whole milk, or cream, instead of that low-fat abomination.

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on August 28, 2012
at 07:34 PM

Just add some cocoa powder and add it to full fat coconut milk, refrigerate and it becomes a pudding or just drink it as a drink.

65333605eb0e62ccdb9ffaac00727bc6

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on August 29, 2012
at 12:05 AM

Very cool...Might be a good naughty snack for when a mama needs a lil'chocolate too, you know?

2a00b9a42e4cb6e489a0e69d20714576

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on August 29, 2012
at 12:11 PM

Why not? The coconut milk is so sweet there's no sugar needed.

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