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Intermittent fasting with "Paleo" stagnates a little...

Commented on March 07, 2014
Created March 05, 2014 at 1:18 PM

Hi there,

let me introduce myself short: My name is Michael, currently 32 years old, active CrossFitter for 2,5 years now. Done lots of weight lifting in the local Globo Gym but these days are gone after I had a look into working out with Kettlebells. Currently I do about 3 workouts a week including a 5/3/1 routine as well as the metcon workouts. Planning to increase the amount of workouts as soon possible.

Let me explain my "problem" here:

I??ve been doing Paleo/Primal* for some time and really got into the idea of eating clean and healthy. Last year I??ve tried to combine it with intermittend fasting and could literally "feel" the fat fall off.

*My "version" of Paleo includes some intake of legumes and dairy products from time to time (I just love eating cheese) and I??m doing good with it.

Since beginning of 2014 I??ve started to eat clean again, since beginning of February I??ve added intermittend fasting to this. But as good as this combination worked last year, I cannot get to the level again, it seems like the belly fat and the "love handles" keep sticking to my body. I can clearly see the shoulder and neck muscles grow and form, but this seems to be impossible this time.

A "normal" day looks like this:

Fasting between 9pm and 1am.

Morning: 1 cup of coffe (espresso) + 1 tablespoon coconut oil / supplements: BCAAS / Kre-Alkalyn

Office: 1 large cup of coffe (americano) from then on only green tea (4-6 cups / day)

Lunch: (today for example) Hotpot with beans, meat, peppers, tomatoes (otherwise lots of chicken, red meat, salad sometimes) + 1 protein shake + BCAAS

maybe some fruit in the afternoon (1 apple)

Pre-Workout: usually 1 Banana

Workout from 5pm to 6pm

After Workout: 1 Protein shake + 10gr. dextrose

Dinner: Whatever is available: Chicken, Red Meat, Salads, all with veggies like carrots, green beans, peas, etc.

Before bedtime: BCAAS + ZMA (for recovery)

Sleeping time is usually around 7 hours. (sometimes longer, sometimes shorter...)

On weekends I break the fast to have the meals togehter with my wife, but stop eating at 9pm.

Could I please ask for your advise on this? Maybe I just need to relax and wait for it to come...

Thank you very much in advance!

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on March 07, 2014
at 06:27 AM

@rawdog: makes totally sense what you´re saying! I have the feeling that I "need" working out to reduce my stress level. It is my kind of overpressure valve if you know what I mean.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on March 06, 2014
at 04:17 PM

And of course doing lots of working out increases stress (although just enough can decrease stress.) If you find you're refreshed by your workout, keep at it. If you find yourself forcing yourself to go, it's too much.

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on March 06, 2014
at 04:13 PM

Dairy is highly insulogenic, and cheese contains quesomorphins - a morphine like substance that makes you love it - leading to, guess what? fat gain.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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at 04:12 PM

I understand that your "version" of what is paleo differs than the standard. But there are reasons we avoid both legumes and dairy. Legumes are also high in carbs for example, and contain antinutrients. Loving a food doesn't mean it's good for you. I'd love some KrispeKreme doughnuts and pizza, but I'm not going to touch them.

Stress can cause you to hold on to fat reserves simply because your body feels threatened. If your food intake is too high, you'll add to your fat stores, but if it's way too it will feel high stress and strive to hold on to fat.

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on March 06, 2014
at 05:23 PM

Maybe switch up fasting and normal eating schedules - I need to also try this myself but one week fast all week, next week 3 meals spread evenly, next week fast half/normal meals the rest of the week? You definitely might be plateau-ing - I think I have

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on March 06, 2014
at 12:34 PM

Good input thanks for that. What about lunch? This is mostly high protein/fat with very little carbs.

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on March 06, 2014
at 12:32 PM

Skip the pre workout banana. Working out fasted uses fat stores. If you give yourself all that sugar before you workout, you will just burn off the sugar.

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on March 06, 2014
at 11:50 AM

Thanks for your answer! Yes, I know, that is why I put this one here:

*My "version" of Paleo includes some intake of legumes and dairy products from time to time (I just love eating cheese) and I´m doing good with it.

I do not have any issues with those foods, so maybe the plateau is more the reason. What exactly do you mean with food intake vs. stress levels? I don´t feel like having lots of stress at the moment, all going quite easy.

96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on March 06, 2014
at 04:12 PM

I understand that your "version" of what is paleo differs than the standard. But there are reasons we avoid both legumes and dairy. Legumes are also high in carbs for example, and contain antinutrients. Loving a food doesn't mean it's good for you. I'd love some KrispeKreme doughnuts and pizza, but I'm not going to touch them.

Stress can cause you to hold on to fat reserves simply because your body feels threatened. If your food intake is too high, you'll add to your fat stores, but if it's way too it will feel high stress and strive to hold on to fat.

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on March 06, 2014
at 11:25 AM

You do realize that both dairy and legumes, especially beans aren't paleo (peas and lentils are probably less offensive if soaked and cooked properly)? Maybe you can try a strict 30 day paleo diet without both legumes and dairy and see what happens?

Or maybe you just hit a plateau based on your current food intake vs stress levels.

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