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Will I ever feel full?

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Created May 16, 2012 at 3:36 AM

6 days in constant hunger. WTF. Will it end? Also extremely dizzy throughout the day. Been drinking lots of water and it helps from time to time. What am I not getting enough of?

Any good snack ideas?

I happen to dislike seafood, and have been doing chicken and steak, and even frying some turkey slices for the hell of it. Onions, Garlic, Brocolli, Cauliflower. Fruit, like cantelope is generally desert, and then some cashews or other nuts to munch on, but the hunger never goes away.

My diet before was Breakfast - Eggos 3-4 Snack: Entemans chocolate chip cookies Lunch: bowl of cereal - crispix Dinner: Mac and cheese.

Loved putting cheese on everything and tons of bread. Now no cheese or bread just dizziness hunger and washing out frying pans.

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

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on May 16, 2012
at 06:45 AM

This. Glucose is good.

B04787f664abf9bebc28f71bf7825a3c

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on May 16, 2012
at 04:54 AM

Agrees whole heartedly!

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on May 16, 2012
at 04:44 AM

@Blitherakt I just tried the garlic & herb Kerrygold butter...Can we say "love at first bite"?

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on May 16, 2012
at 04:42 AM

I agree that sounds like a wonderful idea!

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on May 16, 2012
at 04:42 AM

Given the example of your previous diet, you may have more damage to undo than will be accomplished in six days. :( Stick with it! Also, it is the combination of fat and protein that satiates hunger. Olive oil isn't the best choice for cooking; go for some coconut oil or good old bacon fat. A nice big steak and some fresh veggies oven roasted in coconut oil should do the trick...

A4216f1b1e1f5ab3815bd91700905081

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on May 16, 2012
at 04:25 AM

What are you doing to your avocados, Mklovin?

A4216f1b1e1f5ab3815bd91700905081

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on May 16, 2012
at 04:25 AM

Kerrygold is the brand that seems to be the best. It's pricey, but it tastes fantastic!

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on May 16, 2012
at 04:24 AM

I'd love to pool the community and get a consensus on exactly where to start, given "ideal" health (no leaky gut, no celiac, etc.) for fat to protein to vegetal carbohydrate ratios. From there, we could take a "I felt like this, and added that" survey, and potentially match a symptom to a one or two cause with a fix...

B04787f664abf9bebc28f71bf7825a3c

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on May 16, 2012
at 04:19 AM

Use butter (grass fed, preferably!)

73c6ef35da25ee2c0e3a26ea8a363cc8

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on May 16, 2012
at 04:11 AM

I have been dousing everything I eat in Olive Oil. Unfortunately at this point I can't stand the taste of Avocados. Hoping that changes.

B04787f664abf9bebc28f71bf7825a3c

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on May 16, 2012
at 04:07 AM

I know we all have the same homo sapiens sapiens DNA, but still, every person's body is different. You might need more carbs a day than the next person. The key is to experiment! Have a green smoothie a few times one week, and see how you feel. Up your fat intake the next perhaps, and see how you feel. Also, be careful with the nut consumption. It's very easy to over-eat those!

A4216f1b1e1f5ab3815bd91700905081

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on May 16, 2012
at 03:53 AM

How much of what you're eating is kind of important: one chicken breast and 14-oz of broccoli, followed by half a cantaloupe is way different than a chicken breast fried in coconut oil and a cup of broccoli, followed by a slice of cantaloupe.

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on May 16, 2012
at 03:50 AM

Pop an edit on this and give typical day's worth of food since you started. A baseline for what you were eating before might help, too.

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B04787f664abf9bebc28f71bf7825a3c

on May 16, 2012
at 03:57 AM

You should eat when you are hungry.

Paleo isn't a low carb diet, although a lot of people use it to eat low carb.

Don't eat when you aren't hungry.

Pretty simple!

A4216f1b1e1f5ab3815bd91700905081

(1646)

on May 16, 2012
at 04:24 AM

I'd love to pool the community and get a consensus on exactly where to start, given "ideal" health (no leaky gut, no celiac, etc.) for fat to protein to vegetal carbohydrate ratios. From there, we could take a "I felt like this, and added that" survey, and potentially match a symptom to a one or two cause with a fix...

5ef574d7893bc816ec52e04139e9bc09

(6097)

on May 16, 2012
at 06:45 AM

This. Glucose is good.

B04787f664abf9bebc28f71bf7825a3c

(877)

on May 16, 2012
at 04:42 AM

I agree that sounds like a wonderful idea!

B04787f664abf9bebc28f71bf7825a3c

(877)

on May 16, 2012
at 04:07 AM

I know we all have the same homo sapiens sapiens DNA, but still, every person's body is different. You might need more carbs a day than the next person. The key is to experiment! Have a green smoothie a few times one week, and see how you feel. Up your fat intake the next perhaps, and see how you feel. Also, be careful with the nut consumption. It's very easy to over-eat those!

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A4216f1b1e1f5ab3815bd91700905081

on May 16, 2012
at 04:03 AM

The more I read the "newbie" posts (mine included), the more I think the newcomers are getting hit with the "grains are bad" from the paleo side, and "fat is bad" from the traditional side.

Fat is your friend, particularly in the beginning. When making the transition, having enough calories to run the body is more important than n-3:n-6 ratios, CAFO vs. grass-fed or PUFA and MUFA ratios. Get the body used to the non-crap calories, and then tweak for optimum performance after a month of adjustment.

N=1 (or maybe n=2): every time I, or my wife, felt crappy during the first thirty days, I forced an avocado. That generally lead to "I don't feel as bad, and now I want BACON." We kept boosting the fat bit by bit, and the feeling crappy went away.

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Fd7b128cf714044a86d8bd822c7a8992

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on May 16, 2012
at 03:42 AM

Are you sure you're getting enough calories? It's easy to get a LOT of calories eating processed foods like cookies; you might just not realize how low-calorie something like chicken is, in comparison.

Are you getting enough fat? Since you're decreasing your carbs, you need to increase fat to make up for it - butter, olive oil, fatty meat, avocados...fat makes you feel full and satisfied, so if you're constantly hungry it might be a sign that you're not getting enough.

B04787f664abf9bebc28f71bf7825a3c

(877)

on May 16, 2012
at 04:19 AM

Use butter (grass fed, preferably!)

73c6ef35da25ee2c0e3a26ea8a363cc8

(85)

on May 16, 2012
at 04:11 AM

I have been dousing everything I eat in Olive Oil. Unfortunately at this point I can't stand the taste of Avocados. Hoping that changes.

A4216f1b1e1f5ab3815bd91700905081

(1646)

on May 16, 2012
at 04:25 AM

What are you doing to your avocados, Mklovin?

C1b6ba4644d341827634bd8380f672e3

(48)

on May 16, 2012
at 04:42 AM

Given the example of your previous diet, you may have more damage to undo than will be accomplished in six days. :( Stick with it! Also, it is the combination of fat and protein that satiates hunger. Olive oil isn't the best choice for cooking; go for some coconut oil or good old bacon fat. A nice big steak and some fresh veggies oven roasted in coconut oil should do the trick...

A4216f1b1e1f5ab3815bd91700905081

(1646)

on May 16, 2012
at 04:25 AM

Kerrygold is the brand that seems to be the best. It's pricey, but it tastes fantastic!

B04787f664abf9bebc28f71bf7825a3c

(877)

on May 16, 2012
at 04:44 AM

@Blitherakt I just tried the garlic & herb Kerrygold butter...Can we say "love at first bite"?

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on May 16, 2012
at 04:48 AM

If you're hungry, EAT. Eat good fats (butter, coconut oil, olive oil, fattier cuts of meat) with every meal and eat till you're full. Not sure if you're full? Eat more. Your body is used to carbs, so keep feeding it good quality carbs (not processed, grain based crap). Grain-free does not = low carb. Paleo isn't low carb unless you want it to be.

Stop snacking to stave off hunger. In fact, stop snacking at all. It's like constantly feeding kindling to a camp fire. Eat a satisfying meal, then let yourself get truly hungry, and fill up again with plenty of protein, good fats and good carbs.

If you're only 6 days in, your body is probably in withdrawl and screaming for the crap it's used to.

B04787f664abf9bebc28f71bf7825a3c

(877)

on May 16, 2012
at 04:54 AM

Agrees whole heartedly!

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on May 16, 2012
at 04:40 AM

This is the appetite suppression triple threat in my opinion:

  • Bacon
  • Avocado
  • Coconut Oil
  • oh yeah, more bacon

If you ???????????? bacon check this out!

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Dc6407193ba441d1438f6f0c06af872b

on May 16, 2012
at 10:44 AM

You are transitioning from carb-burning to fat-burning, and that takes two weeks or so. For some people, the first two weeks are hell, and eating more doesn't always help if you don't have the enzymes to burn the fat yet. You'll be there shortly.

A trick I learned from Protein Power was to take like 300mg of potassium for the first two weeks or so. You lose it when you lose some of the glycogen when you are converting from carb to fat burning.

Half way there!

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on May 16, 2012
at 05:11 AM

If you're dizzy, you may need electrolytes. Try drinking bone broth 2x a day and taking some magnesium. Eat 1/2 an avocado every day.

Also, eat more fat. As Dr. Volek says, "When in doubt, eat more fat." That should squash the hunger. I highly recommend coconut butter!

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B514acafd0a6cc251279b6cb21b48941

on May 16, 2012
at 04:28 AM

When you knock out or lower carbs from your diet, you have to compensate with fat. You're probably just not eating enough of it. The problem with going from a traditional diet, or a crappy one, to paleo is that it takes some acclimation to figure out just how much you need to eat. When I first started on paleo, I was used to eating 3 smallish meals a day and then a couple snacks, and when I tried that mindset on this diet, I was STARVING. The guy who got me into it kept telling me to each more. He broke down what he eats for me - which is the equivalent of about 3lbs of meat a day - and I thought, "There's no way I can eat that much food!" Instead, I had to find ways to add more fat to my meals. Now, I pretty much always throw in a handful of nuts, top a dish off with a fried egg or two, or add a few slices of avacado to every meal. And I'm not afraid to snack when I'm hungry. I'll grab a high-fiber piece of fruit (apples and pears are the best) and some nuts or a hard-boiled egg.

You may want to check out Mark Sisson's book "The Primal Blueprint". It's a great reference guide for beginning paleo dieters and it answers a lot of questions that you'll come up with.

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on May 16, 2012
at 03:53 AM

First of all, welcome!

Carbs (especially white ones) have a lot of volume for a fairly low amount of nutrients, so you end up eating a lot of food (by volume) in order to get enough energy to go about your day. With paleo, you get the nutrients in a much more available form, so you can keep up with less food by volume, but your stomach will still be looking for more food because that's what it's used to. Be patient, make sure you're eating enough calories (check out paleotrack.com), and you'll start feeling better.

Are you tired, or just hungry? If your energy is down, definitely eat more. Don't worry about macronutrient ratios at this point, just get comfortable eating paleo foods.

PS???I thought your old food list was what you were eating now. I was gonna say...

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on May 16, 2012
at 12:56 PM

I'm 16 days in and went through two weeks of feeling like crap. This time last week I was so hungry and craving sugar so badly I ate what felt like my body weight in dried fruit (I paid for it later!)

A week on, having stuck to my guns (and stopped eating fruit) and I feel much better. My advice would be - if you're hungry, have a glass of water. If you're still hungry 15 minutes later, eat. I really struggled with the fear of fat, but have gradually been getting more liberal with butter and lard/tallow for cooking, plus more avocados, a few nuts/seeds and yesterday discovered how nice coconut oil is in black coffee.

I agree wholeheartedly with the above. During the first couple of weeks, don't think about calories / volume of food, just get rid of the crap from your system. Once you feel better (and man alive you'll know you feel better) you'll be surprised how easy it is to listen to your body and start to realise what it's asking for (i.e more fat, food in general, water etc).

Good luck and stick with it, you won't regret it. Look forward to seeing a follow up post in a few weeks :)

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on May 16, 2012
at 12:19 PM

You have been eating paleo for 6 days! Relax. It takes time to ease in to. In my opinion you are starting off too low carb for a comfortable transition. Add in mashed sweet potatoes with coconut oil for a great snack or banana with almond butter. As you get more accustomed to this way of eating then you can tune down the carbs and snacks, but it was a hard adjustment for me too!

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