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what's been your personal evolution of paleo?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 24, 2013 at 1:50 AM

How has your personal paleo diet evolved and changed over time and more specifically for what reason?

mine went a little like this-


I flirted with atkins (eggs, bacon, salads, meats) years ago without much success as all the high fat never really felt satiating and always had wicked carb cravings ( this is where i developed severe carbophobia)

Fastforward - to high protein-lowish carb zonish i guess) this felt pretty good and my blood work was fine last year when i got tested, but i felt like i was probably consuming too much protein. Im not arnold shwartzeneger! ..hehe.
I was doing probably 150 protein daily < 70 grams carbs and wutver esle was naturally occuring fat/or olive oil.

Brainhiccup I had a whirl with veganism for ethical reasons and mostly due to a big meat recall we had here which kinda threw me for a loop. I ate clean-tonnes of fruits, beans and brown rice, quinoa, fruits etc. I was also hoping to see some majestic outcomes like all the propaganda promises. Glowingeyeballs, zen peace and tranquility, never sweating or having B.O., the ability to levitate lol...etc etc.. all the BS that gets spewed by the pundits.

Needless to say nothing fantastical materialized. I didnt feel particularly crappy or anything (yet) but i noticed by my skin tone that something wasnt quite right. Blemishes wouldnt heal properly and my skin looked kinda dry with a bluish undertone. lol..blech.. So i ate some eggs and i swear my skin was visibly better within 2 days ( no shit!). I regained my space-cadet pink glow :) My mom even asked me if i had makeup on! So me and veganism parted ways.

This january i started PHD/paleo ( ez on the butters and coconut oils though -thnx for headsup Travis :) I figured i would get the benefits of an adequate amount of animal protein without overdoing it (budget wise too!) Im trying my hardest to eats stuff i dont love. Like fish and seafoods and liver which im not particularly a big fan of - but am trying to develop more of a taste for.

So thats where im at right now. With this current diet i feel most balanced and satiated and not really going insane with craving like i did on atkins and zone. The addition of some safe carbs seems to have curbed my appetite i guess. My weight loss has kinda stalled but i dont really care. I know my activity level has changed due to a more sedentary job so this is probably why. I think im at my weight setpoint and I know i have to break that barrier. I hope to do so by ramping up my exercise regime and maybe a few more tweaks. I average 70-80 grams Protein, 100 grams carbs, and balance is mostly naturally occuring fats. I have my cronometer set for 24P/38C/38F- and aim for that.

My main objective is to be the strongest and healthiest me possible. I think that balance and moderation are the keys to life. Nothing in excess is the motto i strive to exemplify now.

So now that youve skimmed the above text-back to the question at hand- whats your story ? How did your paleo diet evolve and change- how did you come to your current paleo-style eating plan.

Thnx in advance for sharing~ peace

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

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on April 06, 2013
at 10:55 PM

:) so you went full circle then eh ..you took the scenic route. Thats great cuz you know exactly what works best for 'you"- ty for response :)

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on April 06, 2013
at 03:38 AM

oh no... long road to finding what it finally was that was causing it ..damm. My sisters going through IBS for the past few years..ive been telling her to cut wheat :) hehe..i hope you figure your issues out once in for all. ty for sharing your experiences

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

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on March 28, 2013
at 05:38 AM

i could live on bread :P :) i miss it mucho.

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on March 25, 2013
at 02:30 PM

I don't really enjoy pasta or bread. Rice noodles, I do like, and are pretty innoxious. Bread, unless it's delivering a burger, I'll still pass. Had bread at a restaurant the other day with family and was just turned off at the gummy texture of it.

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on March 25, 2013
at 07:34 AM

Bread is still a minor part of my diet. I probably only have about 5 slices a week from sourdough rolls that keep frozen. It goes good with soups.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 25, 2013
at 05:51 AM

yes..apples and dates are more of a fall-ish to me. Im actually not too keen on dates and never eat them. summertimes berries, pineapples, and peaches rule. I see your winterwonderland- :) cest beau

37cc142fbb183f2758ef723a192e7a9d

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on March 25, 2013
at 01:01 AM

Strangely I crave apples, dates, pears etc all year round and I live in a place where winter is....special

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 25, 2013
at 12:40 AM

true ..totally dif mindset there

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

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on March 25, 2013
at 12:38 AM

Good its evolved and making more sense to you personally :) ..i never had any (apparent ) bad reactions or intolerances of any kind to bread. Other than it being too Delicious and e.z. to overeat and prone to make me gain weight. thnx for sharing :)

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 25, 2013
at 12:35 AM

wow- incredible self control staying soo low in calories. Id get really irritable if i ever go lower than 1000 which i really never tried to do too much intentionally. Im doing PHD and I.F too right now :) ..like you say i think our bodies do adapt and everything works till it stops working. When you hit that wall ( which is where i happen to be at now ) u have to tweak and change things up. Amazing commitment and results ! thnx for sharing :)

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

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on March 25, 2013
at 12:31 AM

Quite a roller coaster ride some of us have had. Its gotta be a testament to how healthy the diet is if it increases fertility ! :) Wow.. so for you it wasnt IIFYM or a calorie is just a calorie then! :) Body recomp is better than just a number on the scale - next step- chill n enjoy for a bit- summers round the corner and youll prolly be more active and lose even more if thats wut you want to do ~very inspirational- ty sharing your journey.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

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on March 25, 2013
at 12:20 AM

In the summer i feel like i could eat fruits all the live long day. Then soon as the winds start howlin i crave the warmth of stews and such. Hope that works to help clear your sinusitis..be sure to post your results. Thnx for sharing~:)

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

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on March 25, 2013
at 12:16 AM

lol and the HFCS symposium :) -nice debate

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

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on March 25, 2013
at 12:13 AM

Agreed much better to extol the various benefits of whole foods and not focus on demonizing certain ones. I was severe carbophobic for ages thnx to an atkins mentality. Im glad you moved away from the strict dogma and are doing wuts right and feels good for :you:..thnx for sharing your journey.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

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on March 25, 2013
at 12:03 AM

im guessing there are sum :)

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 25, 2013
at 12:03 AM

LOL @ half ass paleo :) hehe H.A.P :) trademark that quick!! :) do u still indulge in some pasta or bread every now and then>? Sounds like youve found a balance for wut works for you - so thats a good thing :) ! thnxx for sharing

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 25, 2013
at 12:00 AM

LOL.. yeah the caveman diet sounds pretty comical- like we should be eating pteradactyl eggs and brontasaurus burgers ( BET THEY'D BE GOOD THOUGH ! :) ..oh yeah..oppurtunistic for sure. When survival instincts kick in the GReat *Yuk-Durianfibber himself would eat a raw squirrel if it came down to that. :) Hope you got all your bloodwork and that under control now.. thnx for sharing ~

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 24, 2013
at 11:50 PM

Excellent you were so proactive and persevered to find a way to heal yourself. Yes fear of fat (and carbs)! i know what you mean i used to feel horrible if i ate a potatoe -and with butter! VERBOTTEN!..OH the guilt :) thnx for sharing !

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 24, 2013
at 11:37 PM

wow...quite a journey. Thnx so much for sharing. Thats wut its all about "healthy relationship with foods" wheter your fat thin or somewhere in between> its too easy these days to get sidetracked and develop obsessive behaviours-we' re constantly bombarded with soOOO much info... perhaps to our detriment. Eating a little bit more intuitively and instinctively would prolly serve us all well to some extent.

32652cb696b75182cb121009ee4edea3

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on March 24, 2013
at 08:25 PM

Oh the soaking! I actually still prepare my kids grains this way occasionally. But it sure a lot of planning ahead. I'm with you on the veggies ... once I realized I could cook my kale in bacon grease I started eating a lot more of it! (kale that is ... just a LITTLe bacon grease goes a long way).

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on March 24, 2013
at 05:44 PM

AWWW GROUP CAVEHUG

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on March 24, 2013
at 04:18 PM

I'm thinking about incorporating some oatmeal into my diet also. I'm getting seriously tired of potatoes as my main starch.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on March 24, 2013
at 04:12 PM

Yea dude, I was probably a little overzealous when I said they should be banned anyways, that's likely taking it a step too far.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 24, 2013
at 04:08 PM

I give up you win but for the record I'm not condoning the use of HFCS or seed oils. I'm just saying I don't agree with the prospect of them becoming banned goods. I also don't pay attention to any nutrition nutrition studies done with fake or unnatural foods and/or overweight or obese subjects. So you will always win the nutrition trivia war when I'm your opponent. But good to know about the Gatorade. That's a step forward.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 24, 2013
at 03:59 PM

You know way more nutrition factoids than I know, so I'll never win the nutrition battle with you. So I'll say you're right. But to be clear I wasn't arguing FOR consumption of HFCS or seed oils, I was just saying they shouldn't be banned and that I don't really pay attention to studies done on overweight people (or any nutrition studies for that matter). That's great about the gatorade.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 24, 2013
at 03:57 PM

You know way more nutrition factoids than I know, so I'll never win the nutrition battle with you. So I'll say you're right. But to be clean I wasn't arguing FOR consumption of HFCS or seed oils, I was just saying they shouldn't be banned.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 24, 2013
at 03:52 PM

Thanks. Yeah, but it's not like I didn't screw up in other ways. We all do. The main thing is to learn and don't beat yourself up about.

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on March 24, 2013
at 03:50 PM

+1 for not ever getting fat. I wish I had realized that years ago.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on March 24, 2013
at 03:43 PM

68.8% of Americans are overweight or obese. Those insulin resistant results were from 25% over 10 weeks. Average %caloric intake from hfcs is 10% per day every day over a lifetime. Maybe those results aren't relevant to the healthy minority (if you define health based on weight, which I wouldn't), but I disagree with that too. Fructose even at 10% will fuck you up over a longer timeframe and that's the average intake already for most Americans. There should be waring labels. Besides the new Gatorade uses Dextrose instead of hfcs.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 24, 2013
at 03:19 PM

Stephen, those are overweight and obese subjects consuming pure fructose beverages proving 25% of their calories for 10 weeks consecutive weeks. In no way is that relevant to healthy people who want to have a gatorade once in a while.

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on March 24, 2013
at 03:17 PM

One of my favorite Naipaul stories is about the pundit forcing young Biswas to eat bananas, as a punishment for soiling the banana tree. Cultural vegetarianism is very different from the romanticized Western version.

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on March 24, 2013
at 03:14 PM

One of my favorite Naipaul stories is the pundit for in young Biswas to eat bananas as punishment for soiling the banana tree. Cultural vegetarianism is very different than the romantic Western version.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on March 24, 2013
at 02:23 PM

And http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2673878/ . Fructose induced decreased insulin sensitivity in healthy humans but glucose didn't.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on March 24, 2013
at 02:19 PM

http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/2/1/5

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on March 24, 2013
at 01:51 PM

Also, I'm a big Ron Paul fan, I was at the state convention where almost 35% of the delegates were Ron Paul supporters. Had we had another 15% Ron Paul would have been on the ballot in Tampa and may have been the one who ran against Obama in '12. Where I'm going with this is that I'm extremely conservative and against much government regulation, I think it's a bad idea. Because of that I'm not for most regulations and I was against Bloomberg, because what might he ban next, high sat fat foods? Like no more than 8oz of steak in a meal? That being said I'm 100% for warning labels on hfcs.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on March 24, 2013
at 01:40 PM

Yes, cigarettes have warning labels that they may cause lung cancer, alcohol has similar labels. There is clinical and epidemiological evidence that HFCS may cause diabetes by promoting IR and abdominal fat (the control they compare it to is sugar). I definitely think there should be a warning label that says HFCS may cause diabetes. And yes, a healthy person could eat some seed oils and be healthy. If you replaced all, or even half your sugar with hfcs and half your oils with canola or soy oil I'd bet a lot of money you start becomming metabolically fucked in a relatively short amount of time

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

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on March 24, 2013
at 01:30 PM

A warning label, really? You can eat HFCS and be very healthy. You can eat seed oils and be healthy as well. It's definitely a big picture thing and not singling out 1 or 2 evils and then worse yet proceeding to ban them. Cause we all know how well bans work, right? I say let people be free to make their own mistakes and eat however they wish. THere's abundant free information available to the public on what healthy food choices are.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 24, 2013
at 01:27 PM

A warning label, really? You can eat HFCS and be very healthy. You can eat seed oils and be healthy as well. It's definitely a big picture thing and not singling out 1 or 2 evils and then worse yet proceeding to ban them. Cause we all know how well bans work, right?

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 24, 2013
at 03:49 AM

u eat lots of fruits?

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 24, 2013
at 03:49 AM

u shud change ur name to GIGIDONTEATnocheats

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 24, 2013
at 03:48 AM

omg i hate you ..:) heheh.. JK ..thts great! I do have a treat now and then (usually something chocolatey- i never liked chips or pop and that kinda crap) but very seldomly - ya gotta live a lil :)

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 24, 2013
at 03:43 AM

oh okay good :) phase them in. Yeah i know- BPA'S and all that crap. Crazy world we live in. Mmmhmm..paramount importance having all those hormones working synergistically.

89985542ffc00c296552951369fe809a

(912)

on March 24, 2013
at 03:40 AM

I never cheat! I don't crave chocolate or pizza or anything like that! It's nuts. I honestly can say that I have not had any of those things in 10 years! It's nuts, but true :)

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 24, 2013
at 03:37 AM

excellent :) ! ..and holy! youre lucky! its really hard to come by pastured meats here. Both logistically and economically speaking..Good mom you had! im trying to do same for my son and instill good eating habits. Hes right into health and physical fitness so thats a good thing. Continued success thnx for sharing ~ :) sidenote* dont you ever cheat and have a chocolate bar- a lil weee slice of za? like ever ever ever..????? :) come on tell.. noone will see or know heheh..

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on March 24, 2013
at 03:33 AM

Muscles aren't nearly as important as hormones. We live in a civilization with all sorts of estrogen mimickers and other endocrine Disruptors. I think it's important for both men and women to really understand and utilize this information for optimal health. That being said, no, I will not be taking taurine and creatine together yet. It's too many variables. I'll first increase my dose of taurine gradually over the next week or two so I can see how higher doses affect me. Only then may I reintroduce creatine. I might introduce some raw adrenal tablets I got first.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 24, 2013
at 03:24 AM

make sure tht you give wutever protocol your testing enought time to work though. On the other hand sometimes its good to just to coast/autopilot for a bit and let your mind/body/soul get comfy where youre at b4 u shift gears again. THEN SHOCK IT! :) AND change things up!

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 24, 2013
at 03:17 AM

:) are u going to take the taurine as well as the creatine together..? interesting i saw your post and links on the taurine and was looking at some articles and studies too. Im looking forward to seeing how you progress with it. Course im a girl so im not looking to get massive muscles- but at the same time i think theres benefits for us girls too in balancing/raising our T levels too especially since having extreme high estorgen levels is linked to so many bad things. If i could afford an endocrinologist id go have all those levels (progesterone/test/est)tested and see where im at.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on March 24, 2013
at 03:07 AM

I very recently found out that the amino acid taurine acts similarly to insulin: http://www.illpumpyouup.com/articles/taurine-supplements-and-bodybuilding.htm . In the past I could not gain an ounce of weight on a low carb diet even with large caloric surpluses. I'm interested in seeing if I can use taurine along with a bunch of meat to gain weight (muscle). So No, I don't have a macro ratio that I necessarily recommend or follow regularly yet. I'm still working to find something that makes me feel/look just right. One thing I do know for sure though, is to work with my body and enjoy the trip

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 24, 2013
at 03:05 AM

:) excellent..! inspirational! :) best of times are still ahead for you. Kinda sounds kinda-sorta like my journey too. I hear ya about the low carb wall. I cant even beleive how people can stay zero-low for so long..blows my mind. But i guess it works for some ...I want some ben and jerrys one of these days soon :) ehehhe.. i keep my cheats to a minimum but every blue moon that falls on a monday i gotta have some copious amounts of chocolate! God Bless ..live to 100 :) peace !

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 24, 2013
at 02:22 AM

Awesome! Thank Goodness you met the dude in hawaaiii b4 any real damage was done! for sure HFCS and junky oils gotta go! I think its admirable that youre getting this all figured out and are so inquisitive and experimental. We cant just believe what we read. Gotta remain constantly skeptical and have to be our own guinea pigs and see what works for us. Bloombergs should tackle rancid oils next! So did you finally decide on what macros work for your goals? or still a work in progress? or does it depend if your in a cutting or bulking phase prolly eh..? ty for sharing Stephen :)

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on March 24, 2013
at 03:00 AM

1) Over a period of 15 years I had tried vegetarian, vegan, "Zone", Atkins, and "don't care" diets, with (in retrospect) no success. The fact that I was constantly trying a diet is a testament to the fact that I was unhappy with my size, shape, and general health, despite being in my 20's and 30's.

2) About a year ago (age 42) I discovered the Paleo/Primal thing, and did it "whole hog", dropped all grains and sugars and went very low carb. I felt totally amazing for the first time in 10 years and lost about 10 pounds.

3) 2 months later I hit the low-carb wall, and was not feeling as good but unwilling to let go of my losses in weight and girth. Carefully added back some paleo-friendly carbs and, much to my astonishment, didn't gain back the weight and continued to feel great, realized that the grains and sugars have probably been the problem all along, and I just needed a diet that eliminated them.

4) Graduated from cardio, to high-intensity strength-based exercises at home, to crossfit, and feel and look far more amazing than I have probably ever in my life. I finally have the body I always thought I should have, and it's far easier than I ever thought possible. I started to realize the exercise might be more important than diet for me. Am considering strange and terrible things like competing in fitness events, Tough Mudders, and other things that any sane 40-something should never consider.

5) Have carefully added back Paleo-friendly carbs, have given up grains and sugars, have some cheats that keep me sane (wine, cheese, the occasional booze), and think I might have found the diet that I can stick with for the next 30 years. For the first time thought that I might live past 80. Much to my daughter's relief.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 24, 2013
at 03:05 AM

:) excellent..! inspirational! :) best of times are still ahead for you. Kinda sounds kinda-sorta like my journey too. I hear ya about the low carb wall. I cant even beleive how people can stay zero-low for so long..blows my mind. But i guess it works for some ...I want some ben and jerrys one of these days soon :) ehehhe.. i keep my cheats to a minimum but every blue moon that falls on a monday i gotta have some copious amounts of chocolate! God Bless ..live to 100 :) peace !

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Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

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on March 24, 2013
at 02:09 AM

One day I decided to eat healthy and go vegetarian. Then I decided to go healthier and become vegan. I did a work exchange in Hawaii and a guy there said vegan was BS, he knew a lot, took me under his wing and I decided Weston A Price was the way to go. I've gone through different diet combinations of limiting fruit, nuts, grains, dairy and I've gone through phases of eating tons of steak, beef, eggs, dairy. I've tried low carb high fat low protein, high protein high fat low carb and high carb high fat low protein. I've tried phases of raw meat, raw dairy raw eggs. I've tried this with different combinations of a HOST of supplements. Now that I've tried all that bullshit I'm starting to just listen to what my body wants and trust my instincts.

The main things I've learned are:

  1. Fuck Fructose (hfcs)
  2. Fuck seeds (grains and seed oils)

I've also learned a ton about exercise, physiology, chemistry and biology, but that might not pertain so much to this question. The main conclusion though is to trust my instincts and enjoy.

I also want to tell a story. People say our instincts do us in, make us eat more and make us fat. I think that's bullshit. I think our instincts make us thrive we just have shitty options. Sure, someone eating French fries in rancid seed oil is going to get fat, but make some French fries in butter or coconut oil, put them next to that same person and let them choose based on taste which one they prefer to eat. Have you ever had fries made in a saturated non-rancid fat? They're 100 times tastier.. I think people should listen to their instincts more and that garbage like HFCS and rancid seed oils should either be banned or get surgeon general warning labels like cigarette packs have.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on March 24, 2013
at 02:19 PM

http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/2/1/5

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 24, 2013
at 03:43 AM

oh okay good :) phase them in. Yeah i know- BPA'S and all that crap. Crazy world we live in. Mmmhmm..paramount importance having all those hormones working synergistically.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 24, 2013
at 03:24 AM

make sure tht you give wutever protocol your testing enought time to work though. On the other hand sometimes its good to just to coast/autopilot for a bit and let your mind/body/soul get comfy where youre at b4 u shift gears again. THEN SHOCK IT! :) AND change things up!

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 24, 2013
at 03:17 AM

:) are u going to take the taurine as well as the creatine together..? interesting i saw your post and links on the taurine and was looking at some articles and studies too. Im looking forward to seeing how you progress with it. Course im a girl so im not looking to get massive muscles- but at the same time i think theres benefits for us girls too in balancing/raising our T levels too especially since having extreme high estorgen levels is linked to so many bad things. If i could afford an endocrinologist id go have all those levels (progesterone/test/est)tested and see where im at.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on March 24, 2013
at 03:07 AM

I very recently found out that the amino acid taurine acts similarly to insulin: http://www.illpumpyouup.com/articles/taurine-supplements-and-bodybuilding.htm . In the past I could not gain an ounce of weight on a low carb diet even with large caloric surpluses. I'm interested in seeing if I can use taurine along with a bunch of meat to gain weight (muscle). So No, I don't have a macro ratio that I necessarily recommend or follow regularly yet. I'm still working to find something that makes me feel/look just right. One thing I do know for sure though, is to work with my body and enjoy the trip

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 24, 2013
at 01:30 PM

A warning label, really? You can eat HFCS and be very healthy. You can eat seed oils and be healthy as well. It's definitely a big picture thing and not singling out 1 or 2 evils and then worse yet proceeding to ban them. Cause we all know how well bans work, right? I say let people be free to make their own mistakes and eat however they wish. THere's abundant free information available to the public on what healthy food choices are.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 24, 2013
at 03:59 PM

You know way more nutrition factoids than I know, so I'll never win the nutrition battle with you. So I'll say you're right. But to be clear I wasn't arguing FOR consumption of HFCS or seed oils, I was just saying they shouldn't be banned and that I don't really pay attention to studies done on overweight people (or any nutrition studies for that matter). That's great about the gatorade.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 24, 2013
at 03:19 PM

Stephen, those are overweight and obese subjects consuming pure fructose beverages proving 25% of their calories for 10 weeks consecutive weeks. In no way is that relevant to healthy people who want to have a gatorade once in a while.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 24, 2013
at 03:57 PM

You know way more nutrition factoids than I know, so I'll never win the nutrition battle with you. So I'll say you're right. But to be clean I wasn't arguing FOR consumption of HFCS or seed oils, I was just saying they shouldn't be banned.

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(10490)

on March 24, 2013
at 05:44 PM

AWWW GROUP CAVEHUG

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on March 24, 2013
at 04:12 PM

Yea dude, I was probably a little overzealous when I said they should be banned anyways, that's likely taking it a step too far.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on March 24, 2013
at 01:40 PM

Yes, cigarettes have warning labels that they may cause lung cancer, alcohol has similar labels. There is clinical and epidemiological evidence that HFCS may cause diabetes by promoting IR and abdominal fat (the control they compare it to is sugar). I definitely think there should be a warning label that says HFCS may cause diabetes. And yes, a healthy person could eat some seed oils and be healthy. If you replaced all, or even half your sugar with hfcs and half your oils with canola or soy oil I'd bet a lot of money you start becomming metabolically fucked in a relatively short amount of time

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 24, 2013
at 02:22 AM

Awesome! Thank Goodness you met the dude in hawaaiii b4 any real damage was done! for sure HFCS and junky oils gotta go! I think its admirable that youre getting this all figured out and are so inquisitive and experimental. We cant just believe what we read. Gotta remain constantly skeptical and have to be our own guinea pigs and see what works for us. Bloombergs should tackle rancid oils next! So did you finally decide on what macros work for your goals? or still a work in progress? or does it depend if your in a cutting or bulking phase prolly eh..? ty for sharing Stephen :)

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 24, 2013
at 04:08 PM

I give up you win but for the record I'm not condoning the use of HFCS or seed oils. I'm just saying I don't agree with the prospect of them becoming banned goods. I also don't pay attention to any nutrition nutrition studies done with fake or unnatural foods and/or overweight or obese subjects. So you will always win the nutrition trivia war when I'm your opponent. But good to know about the Gatorade. That's a step forward.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on March 24, 2013
at 03:33 AM

Muscles aren't nearly as important as hormones. We live in a civilization with all sorts of estrogen mimickers and other endocrine Disruptors. I think it's important for both men and women to really understand and utilize this information for optimal health. That being said, no, I will not be taking taurine and creatine together yet. It's too many variables. I'll first increase my dose of taurine gradually over the next week or two so I can see how higher doses affect me. Only then may I reintroduce creatine. I might introduce some raw adrenal tablets I got first.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on March 24, 2013
at 03:43 PM

68.8% of Americans are overweight or obese. Those insulin resistant results were from 25% over 10 weeks. Average %caloric intake from hfcs is 10% per day every day over a lifetime. Maybe those results aren't relevant to the healthy minority (if you define health based on weight, which I wouldn't), but I disagree with that too. Fructose even at 10% will fuck you up over a longer timeframe and that's the average intake already for most Americans. There should be waring labels. Besides the new Gatorade uses Dextrose instead of hfcs.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on March 24, 2013
at 02:23 PM

And http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2673878/ . Fructose induced decreased insulin sensitivity in healthy humans but glucose didn't.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on March 24, 2013
at 01:51 PM

Also, I'm a big Ron Paul fan, I was at the state convention where almost 35% of the delegates were Ron Paul supporters. Had we had another 15% Ron Paul would have been on the ballot in Tampa and may have been the one who ran against Obama in '12. Where I'm going with this is that I'm extremely conservative and against much government regulation, I think it's a bad idea. Because of that I'm not for most regulations and I was against Bloomberg, because what might he ban next, high sat fat foods? Like no more than 8oz of steak in a meal? That being said I'm 100% for warning labels on hfcs.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 24, 2013
at 01:27 PM

A warning label, really? You can eat HFCS and be very healthy. You can eat seed oils and be healthy as well. It's definitely a big picture thing and not singling out 1 or 2 evils and then worse yet proceeding to ban them. Cause we all know how well bans work, right?

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(2097)

on March 25, 2013
at 12:16 AM

lol and the HFCS symposium :) -nice debate

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on March 24, 2013
at 03:43 PM

Let me preface that prior to going paleo I ate a pretty good diet consisting of meat, fish, vegetables, oatmeal, sprouted grain bread, sweet potatoes, nuts, and some fruit. Wasn't afraid of fat. Ate eggs every morning. Ate nuts or avocado almost daily. Always ate whole foods growing up but developed severe anorexia from the ages of 12-15. Real recovery began at 16. Started eating exclusively the foods listed above and recovered from anorexia, going from a low 58lbs to a high of 140lbs in between the ages of 15 and 17. Currently 155lbs.

Then in June of 2009 I picked up Primal Blueprint and started eating a high fat, VLC diet. Became obsessed in a way that reminded me of my childhood anorexia. Feared most foods. Felt like our bodies were weak and the world is this toxic place we can't compete with. Lost about 10lbs of muscle mass and went from about 5% body fat to nearly 8% body fat in 6 months time. Both strength and endurance dropped significantly. Libido dropped, and overall drive dropped.

Said "screw this. I'm doing going down this path again." Returned to pre paleo diet but ommited the sprouted grain bread and replaced those carbs by eating an additional large sweet potato. Returned to normal body composition and mindset in a matter of months. Restored a healthy relationship with food. Continued to improve over the next few of years, but have basically kept most things the same. Experimented with LeanGains. Not entirely sold on it, think a lot of it is hype, but that's just me. Came to conclusion that the physiology of healthy, fit, active people is way different than that of obese or even moderately fat people. I should only take advice from people who are getting the results that I desire. that excludes every paleo guru that I know of.

Now I eat based on what I know works for my body, which are the same foods that allowed me to build a healthy relationship with food when I was 16. Not what's getting the hype or what is the evil food of the day/week/month/year. I just eat what I know makes me feel, look, and perform the way I want. That's meat, fish, nuts, vegetables, eggs, starch, and some fruit. Currently incorporating oatmeal and sprouted grain bread back into my diet. No problems so far. In the end it's all about the big picture. Staying active. Not ever getting fat. Making at least 90% of my diet real, whole, fresh foods. The big ones are food quality, calories, and nutrient timing.

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on March 24, 2013
at 03:50 PM

+1 for not ever getting fat. I wish I had realized that years ago.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 24, 2013
at 11:37 PM

wow...quite a journey. Thnx so much for sharing. Thats wut its all about "healthy relationship with foods" wheter your fat thin or somewhere in between> its too easy these days to get sidetracked and develop obsessive behaviours-we' re constantly bombarded with soOOO much info... perhaps to our detriment. Eating a little bit more intuitively and instinctively would prolly serve us all well to some extent.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on March 24, 2013
at 03:52 PM

Thanks. Yeah, but it's not like I didn't screw up in other ways. We all do. The main thing is to learn and don't beat yourself up about.

Cb9a270955e2c277a02c4a4b5dad10b5

(10989)

on March 24, 2013
at 04:18 PM

I'm thinking about incorporating some oatmeal into my diet also. I'm getting seriously tired of potatoes as my main starch.

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on March 24, 2013
at 02:19 PM

Started more or less in a "healthy" SAD, just overweight. Starting a food log, with a 3500 calorie deficit, but more or less just the same "healthy" SAD, started running as well. Lost 30+ pounds doing this, cool beans (literally, I was eating a lot of beans). Flirted with a high protein, bodybuilder crazy exacting timed diet... it did not have any appeal. At the same time I ended up hearing about paleo, and simply dismissing it as a version of Aktins (which 4 years ago, it largely was!) Upon doing my own research and math, I started cutting a number of things from my diet: bread, pasta, rice, potatoes... replacing with more nutrient dense foods. Essentially was maximizing nutrients per calorie, eventually I realised that this was essentially the paleo approach. Hardcore paleo for about 6 months, saw some additional weight loss, but certainly a little wacky at times. Currently, I'm what you call a 50/50 paleo, or half-assed paleo. I still get 80% of the benefits without 100% of the hassle. :)

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 25, 2013
at 12:03 AM

LOL @ half ass paleo :) hehe H.A.P :) trademark that quick!! :) do u still indulge in some pasta or bread every now and then>? Sounds like youve found a balance for wut works for you - so thats a good thing :) ! thnxx for sharing

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on March 25, 2013
at 02:30 PM

I don't really enjoy pasta or bread. Rice noodles, I do like, and are pretty innoxious. Bread, unless it's delivering a burger, I'll still pass. Had bread at a restaurant the other day with family and was just turned off at the gummy texture of it.

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on March 24, 2013
at 11:44 AM

My paleo journey doesn't make sense without knowledge of my pre-paleo efforts. I've tried extreme calorie restriction; a sensible shake for breakfast, another for lunch and a sensible dinner. Lean cuisine frozen meals in that case for a total of ~1200 calories/day. Not much for someone above 300+ lbs. and active.

I went all-out on Atkins where I ate pretty much low-GI vegetables, fat, and meat. I took the induction phase down more than a hundred pounds and ate less than most thin women I knew. I had stopped losing weight at some point so extreme calorie/carb restriction seemed the only way. I stopped when I developed a stutter and extreme brain-fog that went away when I quit eating that way.

I've done plenty of "eat in moderation, leave something on your plate" type of diets that were pretty much pure will power to the tune of 50-80 pounds weight-loss over the years.

I've exercised for several hours per day of lifting and running along with eating a "healthy" diet of whole grains, everything else they say you should eat, etc...

I then discovered Paleo/Primal. The simple heuristics offered by those diets were helpful in the beginning but soon my body adapted after the years of different types of diets and I quit losing weight effortlessly and was not satiated no matter how much whole-food, paleo, primal, whatever foods I ate.

I now do IF and eat in PHD ratios, I track my calories religiously with a free calorie tracking app, and I exercise. The weight loss now is very slow but I feel that for the first time I am primarily losing fat and not muscle also. I also don't feel that I am becoming nutritionally deficient in the process, which I think has lead to my long-term lack of compliance in the past.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 25, 2013
at 12:35 AM

wow- incredible self control staying soo low in calories. Id get really irritable if i ever go lower than 1000 which i really never tried to do too much intentionally. Im doing PHD and I.F too right now :) ..like you say i think our bodies do adapt and everything works till it stops working. When you hit that wall ( which is where i happen to be at now ) u have to tweak and change things up. Amazing commitment and results ! thnx for sharing :)

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on March 24, 2013
at 03:30 AM

I have been wheat, dairy, gluten, sugar, soy, nuts, HFCS & trans-fat free for 10 years! 10 years - can you believe it! LOL! I feel and have felt phenomenal for all of these years too - so much so that I would NEVER go back to my old ways!

Oh and I haven't TOUCHED a grain-fed animal in all of these years either!

I transformed my ways all thanks to my intelligent mother! Of course it took her some time to convince me, but when I was 15... BAM! Changed everything! :)

89985542ffc00c296552951369fe809a

(912)

on March 24, 2013
at 03:40 AM

I never cheat! I don't crave chocolate or pizza or anything like that! It's nuts. I honestly can say that I have not had any of those things in 10 years! It's nuts, but true :)

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 24, 2013
at 03:37 AM

excellent :) ! ..and holy! youre lucky! its really hard to come by pastured meats here. Both logistically and economically speaking..Good mom you had! im trying to do same for my son and instill good eating habits. Hes right into health and physical fitness so thats a good thing. Continued success thnx for sharing ~ :) sidenote* dont you ever cheat and have a chocolate bar- a lil weee slice of za? like ever ever ever..????? :) come on tell.. noone will see or know heheh..

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 24, 2013
at 03:48 AM

omg i hate you ..:) heheh.. JK ..thts great! I do have a treat now and then (usually something chocolatey- i never liked chips or pop and that kinda crap) but very seldomly - ya gotta live a lil :)

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 24, 2013
at 03:49 AM

u eat lots of fruits?

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 24, 2013
at 03:49 AM

u shud change ur name to GIGIDONTEATnocheats

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61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

(10490)

on March 24, 2013
at 03:15 PM

I started out eating as my parents ate (of course!) My mother never really got fast food very often, maybe a few times a year, and she cooked most of our meals. They are Seventh Day Adventists, so all of our food was quasi-kosher (they will combine meat and dairy). A lot of our meals were also vegetarian, or close. Lots of beans, potatoes, pasta, white bread, and cornbread. Some chicken, ground beef, and rice. Very little fish.

When I got out on my own as a young adult, I continued eating mostly the same things, adding in some yogurt and more rice and fish and salads, cutting back on the breads. That was just what I wanted to eat. Still ate the mac and cheese out of a box, still ate the Hamburger Helper.

Later, my tastes began to evolve. I became a foodie. Loved to be in the kitchen, cooking up whatever tasty things I wanted. Much less processed food, but didn't care a bit about macros, sugar intake, and I thought canola oil was just fine. It's heart healthy!

After taking some prescription medications, I got pretty sick and I gained almost 30 pounds IN THREE MONTHS. It was ridiculous. I felt awful, and I thought that eating better would help. So I went healthy-SAD. Made myself eat oatmeal in the morning, whether I was hungry or not (the answer was generally not) because it was good for me. Completely disregarded how awful it made me feel (one packet of instant oatmeal felt like it swelled to the size of a toddler in my tummy, made me very lethargic). Took the doctor's advice and ate lots of crackers and toast and noodle soups to settle my nausea. Got sicker and sicker, even after stopping the prescriptions. They were clearly not side effects. Not sure exactly the mechanism, but something about those prescriptions messed up my gut flora, or digestive enzyme secretion, I dunno, SOMETHING AWFUL. I decided that clearly this "trying to be healthy according to FDA standards diet" wasn't helping. I lost a lot of weight after I stopped the medication, but too fast. I was cold and shaky all the time. I stopped getting my period. I could barely sleep. I was anxious and weak and just in a terrible spot.

I started researching diets. I came across SOLE (Sustainable Organic Local Ethical) and WAPF about the same time. With my budget restrictions, I did what I could. I hate the taste of fermented grains, and it is a lot of bother, and while I like cooking I wasn't really into baking - so I just didn't mess with that. I ate very little bread since it wasn't prepared in the way I thought healthy. I planted my own organic vegetable and fruit garden, went to farmer's markets, learned to can and make jam&jelly, and did that for a while. Major improvement. My weight stabilized at my normal, I got my period back, and even though I was still really weak I finally felt like the worst was over.

WAPF led me to Paleo/Primal. It wasn't much different than what I'd been doing on my fermenting-grains-is-too-much-work WAPF inspired diet. I just started to pay a little more attention to macros and lost the fat-phobia that the SAD is known for. I didn't start adding in a whole bunch of extra fat, but I did start using the amount I had always wanted to use, but didn't, cause I didn't think it was healthy. No more dry baked potatoes, no more fat-free salad dressings, no more non-fat yogurt. I started trying vegetables that I thought I had hated - turns out, I only hate them when they are frozen and plain steamed to mush because I thought butter wasn't healthy.

Adding in more fat really helped (I'm around 50% fat, not particularly high for a Paleo/Primal eater). That was the last missing piece. Now I feel great and life is delicious.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 24, 2013
at 11:50 PM

Excellent you were so proactive and persevered to find a way to heal yourself. Yes fear of fat (and carbs)! i know what you mean i used to feel horrible if i ate a potatoe -and with butter! VERBOTTEN!..OH the guilt :) thnx for sharing !

32652cb696b75182cb121009ee4edea3

(5802)

on March 24, 2013
at 08:25 PM

Oh the soaking! I actually still prepare my kids grains this way occasionally. But it sure a lot of planning ahead. I'm with you on the veggies ... once I realized I could cook my kale in bacon grease I started eating a lot more of it! (kale that is ... just a LITTLe bacon grease goes a long way).

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32652cb696b75182cb121009ee4edea3

(5802)

on March 24, 2013
at 12:36 PM

Wow, what a question. Let's see.

1970s-1980s : I was raised by a working single mom on processed, boxed foods. I remember my husband asking when we were dating: "your mom even cooks SPAGHETTI out of a box?"

1990s: After being fat my entire childhood, I became alternately anorexic and bulimic as I finished high school and started college. I got mono and repeated bouts of bronchitis; this depression in my immune system lasted about 10 years. I flirted with the original Zone during this time, and worked out 2.5-3 hours every day. Weight change: 150lb to 105 lb, back up to 150lb within a 10 year period.

2000-2005: Had my first child. Did the Bradley method and had a natural childbirth. I ate a 99% Bradley diet and gained weight like a momma cow. By the time I went into labor I weighed 205lb. Lost 10lb at birth. Weight: 195lb.

In an attempt to lose this weight I converted to vegetarian for 5 years. I lost zero lb. I felt horrid. I was massively depressed. At the end of 5 years I went on a Jenny Craig diet for 2 months and lost back to 150 lb. Did Body for Life for a while as maintenance, and actually built a little muscle.

2005-2010: Had my second child, ate Bradley again, and ballooned up to 210lb. After this birth I discovered Weston Price. I didn't lose any weight, but I felt so much better. Depression gone. I got pregnant again quickly with 2 more babies (Weston Price does awesome things for infertility!). Didn't gain huge amounts of weight this time, but hovered between 190-210 lb. Continued eating Weston Price after the last birth. Still felt pretty good, but I could NOT lose weight. Switched to raw vegan for about 6 months, but couldn't keep up with the food prep with all these children. :)

2010: Read Good Calories Bad Calories, and was very impressed with the information about cancer (both my maternal and paternal grandmothers died of cancer, and I've suffered from bowel problems my whole life). I decided to go cold turkey on zero sugar. After the first 3 days, I was stunned at how good I felt. I did a little more research, and decided to go paleo all the way. I lost 30 lb in 2 months, eating about 3000 cal a day! I couldn't believe it, bc I've been tracking my food for decades, and rarely ate more than 1200-1500 cal a day. And I lost it in all the right places (hips and thighs). Weight: 160lb.

Then that was it. I've continued eating paleo for the last 2.5 years, but no more weight loss. I feel amazing. I started crossfit a year ago, and I've definitely reshaped my body. I love it that I've accomplished more in my 2 hours a week at crossfit than I did in my 3 hours a night working out in college! I'd like to lose a little more. Trying to figure out what the next step should be. PDH? VLC? Relax, eat and play?

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 25, 2013
at 12:31 AM

Quite a roller coaster ride some of us have had. Its gotta be a testament to how healthy the diet is if it increases fertility ! :) Wow.. so for you it wasnt IIFYM or a calorie is just a calorie then! :) Body recomp is better than just a number on the scale - next step- chill n enjoy for a bit- summers round the corner and youll prolly be more active and lose even more if thats wut you want to do ~very inspirational- ty sharing your journey.

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on March 24, 2013
at 01:42 PM

As a relatively young man (20), I haven't had a lot of time to experiment with different diets. However, my transition to and from paleo has been interesting, and I think at some point in retrospect will have seemed helpful.

That being said, my first attempt in being pro-active about my diet manifested itself as vegetarianism. Not for ethical reasons, but as a means to be more conscious about what I ate.

Vegetarianism worked really well for me and I continued eating that way for about 9 months starting my second semester of college. I got into good shape (I wasn't overweight to begin with), and took up cycling, which I still continue actively.

However, as a Vegetarian (incidentally), I started to develop some disordered eating habits. Nothing that was entirely specific to Vegetarianism, but rather adopting a belief that gains in fitness/physique could be attributed to eliminating all but a minimum of calories and fat in my diet. As a result, I became underweight, and generally unwell.

ANYWAY, discovering Paleo did two things for me. On one hand, it allowed me to embrace a balanced diet free of fat-phobia, but it was also another way for me to continue my disordered eating (low-carb), and to continue discriminating against specific food/food groups (legumes, grains).

The morale of the story for me, I think, is that not worrying about the sometimes nebulous supremacy of one food over another has been more healthful than worrying about my o3:o6 ratio, IF, etc.

For otherwise healthy people, a 'hardcore paleo' diet (which seems to be moderating itself over that the last few months), or any diet which scares people away from a balanced lifestyle and foods can lead to disordered eating.

Which isn't to say eating 'paleo' was a mistake, or that my experience is applicable to anyone other than myself. Rather my personal evolution with paleo has been to concentrate on whole foods, which I think are self-evidently advantageous to eat, rather than be lead by dogma, which again, I think PH is moving away from.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 25, 2013
at 12:13 AM

Agreed much better to extol the various benefits of whole foods and not focus on demonizing certain ones. I was severe carbophobic for ages thnx to an atkins mentality. Im glad you moved away from the strict dogma and are doing wuts right and feels good for :you:..thnx for sharing your journey.

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(10611)

on March 24, 2013
at 02:58 PM

15 years ago I had bad bloodwork - high TG's and cholesterol - and decided that carbs were the answer. Bloodwork did not improve much, but my diet remained carby. About the same time I heard about the Caveman diet for the first time. I considered it a joke, something my overweight CV challenged brother in law was using as an excuse for steaks and beer. I got more active around 2000, walking instead of driving, lost about 25 lbs and saw my bloodwork improve. Then I went into a 6 year sedentary desk job, gaining all the weight back and more on my high carb overeating diet. In 2007, diagnosed diabetic and now obese, I started carb exchange counting, strictly limiting high glycemic carbs. I lost weight, and to continue losing became more active. It had worked for me before and still worked.

It was at that time that I connected what I was doing as an emulation of Paleo/ancestral hunt and gather and carb reduction. It wasn't so much elimination as conscious restriction and substitution. I see the Med diet as the model, because I believe our ancestors would have eaten anything opportunistically, but it has to be consciously tempered with restraint in face of food superabundance.

Lately I've been thinking and reading about ancient life. What would I do if the lights went out? It's not a state of paranoia so much as a response to seeing how survival works. Meat is not necessarily fat or available. Same with vegetables and fruit. This is not likely to put me into the pemmican business but I'm starting to comprehend the need for dried foods.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 25, 2013
at 12:00 AM

LOL.. yeah the caveman diet sounds pretty comical- like we should be eating pteradactyl eggs and brontasaurus burgers ( BET THEY'D BE GOOD THOUGH ! :) ..oh yeah..oppurtunistic for sure. When survival instincts kick in the GReat *Yuk-Durianfibber himself would eat a raw squirrel if it came down to that. :) Hope you got all your bloodwork and that under control now.. thnx for sharing ~

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on March 24, 2013
at 02:02 PM

Any peatarians?

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 25, 2013
at 12:03 AM

im guessing there are sum :)

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(1353)

on March 24, 2013
at 12:45 PM

I got interested in moving naturally through barefoot running and MovNat. So it became philosophically natural to extend that interest to primal diet. I'm more interested simply in primal food choices than proportions though. I feel like I would have eaten mostly fruit and nuts even if I was living in the Paleolithic. I've loved getting back into meat and lifting though, after being basically a pescatarian runner for many years. I've quit dairy now for 5-6 weeks to see if it impacts my chronic sinusitis but I'm not sure if it is.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 25, 2013
at 12:20 AM

In the summer i feel like i could eat fruits all the live long day. Then soon as the winds start howlin i crave the warmth of stews and such. Hope that works to help clear your sinusitis..be sure to post your results. Thnx for sharing~:)

37cc142fbb183f2758ef723a192e7a9d

(1353)

on March 25, 2013
at 01:01 AM

Strangely I crave apples, dates, pears etc all year round and I live in a place where winter is....special

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on March 25, 2013
at 05:51 AM

yes..apples and dates are more of a fall-ish to me. Im actually not too keen on dates and never eat them. summertimes berries, pineapples, and peaches rule. I see your winterwonderland- :) cest beau

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on March 24, 2013
at 09:17 AM

Started high fat low carb. Meats, eggs, vegetables, salads, some dairy and berries. Then to moderate carb PHD. Now I'm eating much less fat and meat, I eat about 3 serves of red meat a week. I eat more dried fruit, oatmeal, legumes, sourdough bread, brown rice. Great food sources and I feel better than I have in a long time.

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(2097)

on March 25, 2013
at 12:38 AM

Good its evolved and making more sense to you personally :) ..i never had any (apparent ) bad reactions or intolerances of any kind to bread. Other than it being too Delicious and e.z. to overeat and prone to make me gain weight. thnx for sharing :)

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on March 25, 2013
at 07:34 AM

Bread is still a minor part of my diet. I probably only have about 5 slices a week from sourdough rolls that keep frozen. It goes good with soups.

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on March 28, 2013
at 05:38 AM

i could live on bread :P :) i miss it mucho.

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on April 06, 2013
at 09:26 AM

Holy crap it's been 9 years. Alright, it started with Atkins for about a month. Super successful, but my friends and family scared me into going back to carbs. I was worried I'd regain the weight, so I did the whole low-calorie thing (unintentionally. I was probably anorexic at this point, but I denied it). I cut out dairy since I became lactose intolerant for some reason. Went vegetarian for a couple of months. Finally figured out wheat was a problem, too, but had a hard time cutting it out completely. A little over two years after Atkins, found out I had parasites this whole time. Quit vegetarianism.

THEN (and this is when it really starts), one day I was watching Dr. Oz (I know, I know), and Tim Ferriss was on. His methods made sense to me, so I experimented with slow-carb. Did a little more research, and realized low-carb was right all along (couldn't handle the beans). Read up some Gary Taubes, Drs. Eades, and the like. Since I wanted to cut out dairy and wheat anyway, I stumbled upon Paleo. And after some trial and error (traditional Atkins, high-protein, etc.), I found that IF-ing on a high-fat diet has been the best thing that ever happened to me.

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(2097)

on April 06, 2013
at 10:55 PM

:) so you went full circle then eh ..you took the scenic route. Thats great cuz you know exactly what works best for 'you"- ty for response :)

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on April 06, 2013
at 03:27 AM

I had terrible IBS for years, and went back and forth with gluten free. It made me feel a bit better but it didn't fix the problem. I then went back to eating normally, but got too excited with junk food and I was quite heavy (compared to what I am now) at 70kg. I was 'chubby' and felt tired all the time.

I then went back on gluten free and did a lot of cardio training at the gym - which did help me lose a bit of weight to a point. In total I lost about 10kgs by 'eating healthy', limiting calories and exercise. However, I was still a bit overweight to my liking.

However, my IBS never ceased and I couldn't shift the last 4-5kgs. So I thought if I went off grains completely, surely my IBS couldn't complain! I did lose that lost 4-5 kgs, never looked better, but made my IBS worse.

I've found out I have fructose malabsorption. So for a while I was eating semi-low FODMAP and some grains, but then I got terrible headaches. My weight did dip to its lowest at that point, at 55kg, when I was feeling very ill.

So now I'm back on mostly paleo (I eat some bread, a bit of rice, some gluten-free flours, etc, occasionally) at the same time as a strict low FODMAP diet. I'm hoping that this will be the answer to my problems! I'm sitting at a healthy 56-57 kgs and feeling pretty good. In terms of weight loss, paleo is the tried and true method for me.

89fa2da4805b0b4e54b77a5a20a2e206

(2097)

on April 06, 2013
at 03:38 AM

oh no... long road to finding what it finally was that was causing it ..damm. My sisters going through IBS for the past few years..ive been telling her to cut wheat :) hehe..i hope you figure your issues out once in for all. ty for sharing your experiences

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