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What paleo "craze" don't you get?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created March 30, 2012 at 5:06 AM

From being on this site, it seems that the following items have magical powers:

Kerrygold butter, heavy cream, coconut products, bone broth, BACON, organ meats...

Which of these (or anything else not mentioned here) don't you like? What paleo "craze" do you NOT incorporate in your meals even though it can be a healthy part of your diet?

Hold on to your seats...I dislike bacon. It appears that I've committed a paleo sin. I've never liked it. I've only had conventional bacon in the past, but I find everything about the texture and taste gross:(. I don't like any form of bacon...extra crispy, crumbled, wrapped in anything...ECK.

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on July 14, 2012
at 08:45 AM

PS cred for creating one of the bitchiest threads ive seen on here. Your original question isnt that bitchy, but some of the answers reek of inresolved personal issues :P Im giving you +1 for the entertainment!

Bb3d1772b28c02da2426e40dfcb533f5

(5381)

on July 14, 2012
at 08:42 AM

MCTs from coconut oil come for the original ketogenic diet, used to treat epilepsy (1950s I think). They discovered that MCTs create much more ketone bodies than regular sat fats. Hence the obsession with coconut oil in paleo, because it helps transition to a ketogenic state, if your doing paleo low carb. Liver has more vitamins and amino acids than you will ever find in any multi- product. It really is a nutritional super food. Shame it tastes like crap though.

C2ad96801ec1e22d2bf62475b6e52751

(1416)

on June 22, 2012
at 02:03 AM

This, this, a thousand times this.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 22, 2012
at 12:55 AM

Cool. I still think low carb sucks. Bacon is still high in omega 6. To me, celery tastes better than kale in onion dip. To each his/her own.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 22, 2012
at 12:53 AM

Cool. I still think low carb sucks. Bacon is still high in omega 6. celery tastes better than kale in homemade onion dip. To each his/her own.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 22, 2012
at 12:52 AM

and in regard to "it's the best way to lose weight." I am sorry but the diet that you can adhere to is the one that will help you lose weight. Low carb diets have a very poor track record in this regard. It is a great short term strategy though, I'll grant you that.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 22, 2012
at 12:50 AM

Cool. I still think low carb sucks. Bacon is still high in omega 6. celery tastes better than kale in homemade onion dip.

3327924660b1e2f8f8fc4ca27fedf2b2

(2919)

on June 22, 2012
at 12:42 AM

I wish I could buy some grubs in Whole Foods

3327924660b1e2f8f8fc4ca27fedf2b2

(2919)

on June 22, 2012
at 12:42 AM

I get low carb. It's the best way to lose weight. Bacon is delicious. Kale is crunchy and has more texture and taste than pretty much any green leafy vegetable. It's also one of the few veggies sturdy enough to do stuff with it like dip it into homemade onion dip.

3327924660b1e2f8f8fc4ca27fedf2b2

(2919)

on June 22, 2012
at 12:32 AM

Any workout that requires a trainer is not a good workout in my opinion.

1ce9661622ba354c61669ffe900a01ab

(552)

on April 02, 2012
at 09:37 PM

Rene, very true. What I foresee with the explosion of interest in Crossfit (there are quite a few CF gyms in Northern CA), I see more and more emphasis on getting membership than emphasis on technique. My $.02. Not everyone is meant to deadlift, clean/press, etc, etc. If one likes that and feels better/reaps benefits from CF, by all means, rock on (and keep doing it) ; )

6cdc6b1e75690cfcc4804a6c9eaa910a

(2171)

on April 02, 2012
at 04:17 PM

@cerement - Ha! Not in my (non-existent recipe) book it ain't!!!

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on April 02, 2012
at 01:14 PM

(Does no one get my sarcasm?)

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on April 02, 2012
at 10:06 AM

I ate huge amounts of fat, not for the sake of it, but because it made me feel good. All of it was coconut oil. My mental improves a lot with it. There's nothing wrong with eating tons of calories if you don't get fat from it and do well with it. In my case, I can eat >4000kcal and still remain lean.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on April 02, 2012
at 08:59 AM

Grubs are pretty fatty too, we just don't go for bugs as much these days.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on April 02, 2012
at 08:58 AM

I thought we were well hooked up on the animal fat front until we hunted the really large beasties to extinction. Wonder if lack of mammoth drove people into the sea to hunt whales?

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(2923)

on April 02, 2012
at 07:37 AM

@Medis - learn to make your own sausage - sausages and salamis were the traditional way to store and use the leftover "nasty bits" after the steaks were long gone

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(2923)

on April 02, 2012
at 07:32 AM

Just threaten to pull out some bacon. Bacon is the gateway meat. The first strip is free ...

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(2923)

on April 02, 2012
at 07:29 AM

@Gary - that's a recipe, short and simple, but it's still a recipe :p

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

(6259)

on April 01, 2012
at 04:44 PM

An ancestral lifestyle can provoke cognitive dissonance causing ignorance or hate. Others can be curious. At AHS 2011 in an informal poll of 300ish, 50-70% of current ancestral lifestylers had been ex-vegan/ex-vegetarian! Paleos and vegans/vegetarians share 80% in common esp. when both are gluten-free, dairy-free, and/or soy-free. We should build trust on common ground (ie. against GMOs, like fermented foods etc.). Demonizing our differences won't help. Give a little respect. Remember Cordain, Daniel, Kresser, Lalonde, Masterjohn, Minger, Sisson,Wolf etc. were ex-vegetarian/vegan!

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

(6259)

on April 01, 2012
at 04:40 PM

An ancestral lifestyle can provoke cognitive dissonance causing ignorance or hate. Others can be curious. At AHS 2011 in an informal poll of 300ish, 50-70% of current ancestral lifestylers had been ex-vegan/ex-vegetarian! Paleos and vegans/vegetarians share 80% in common esp. when both are gluten-free, dairy-free, and/or soy-free. We should build trust on common ground (ie. against GMOs, like fermented foods etc.). Demonizing our differences won't help. Give a little respect. Remember Cordain, Daniel, Kresser, Lalonde, Masterjohn, Minger, Sisson, etc. were ex-vegetarian/vegan.

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

(6259)

on April 01, 2012
at 04:38 PM

An ancestral lifestyle can provoke cognitive dissonance causing ignorance or hate. Others can be curious. At AHS 2011 in an informal poll of 300ish, 50-70% of current ancestral lifestylers had been ex-vegan/ex-vegetarian! Paleos and vegans/vegetarians share 80% in common esp. when both are gluten-free, dairy-free, and/or soy-free. We should build trust on common ground (ie. against GMOs, like fermented foods etc.). Demonizing our differences won't help. Give a little respect. Remember Lalonde, Daniel, Cordain, Wolf, Masterjohn, Sisson, and Kresser, etc. were ex-vegetarian/vegan!

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

(6259)

on April 01, 2012
at 04:09 PM

Some are threatened by how healthy some people are with an ancestral lifestyle - or how they have improved on it. Or they ignore it because of cognitive dissonance. The irony is that often Paleos and Vegans/Vegetarians agree on 80% - especially if they are both dairy-free, gluten-free and soy-free. We should focus on our common ground (against GMOs), etc. and build trust. Remember 50-70% people in a current ancestral lifestyle were vegetarian and/or vegan at some point, so they current vegetarians/vegans are likely to be open to change. Demonizing the differences doesn't help anyone.

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

(6259)

on April 01, 2012
at 03:59 PM

Have you read Taubes - Why We Get Fat (short) and Good Calories, Bad Calories (longer version)? A calorie is not just a calorie. The body metabolizes different foods differently. There is a big difference in 800 calories from each of the following foods - meat/seafood, vegetables, starches, grains, legumes, fruits, nuts - not to mention unprocessed vs. less processed foods.

078f89f5194e97954801fd70d3037dd6

(78)

on April 01, 2012
at 06:09 AM

Some of it make sense. Plus it is new to me so I'm still learning. However I work in the medical field and see patients almost daily with problem from high fat diets. People with coronary artery disease, gall bladder issues, hypertension and so on. BTW, no offense taken at all.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on April 01, 2012
at 12:15 AM

My biggest point for recipes is a lot of people don't know how to cook very basic dishes. The simpler the dish, the more important the skill is behind it. I have eaten so many dishes that would have been worth the few minutes it would have taken to google how to cook that cut, or how to season properly, or how to skim a stew. So, my motto is recipes: use it the first time you cook something, or beware. Same goes in professional kitchens- except instead of a recipe you get guidance from a fellow cook. Similar principle.

D4d83e7981ca572aaaa19fc620bb54f1

(467)

on March 31, 2012
at 08:28 PM

No, I didn't say anything about having to ask questions about health, or not to ask about muscles. I don't think you have to have any health problems in order to want to be (stay) healthy and care more about it. Perhaps I think this way because I see everyone getting unhealthy (aging included) everyday, just at different rates.

6cdc6b1e75690cfcc4804a6c9eaa910a

(2171)

on March 31, 2012
at 08:00 PM

Chelsea - maybe it's just me, but recipes somehow detract from the simplicity for me and add a window to add unnecessary and more likely damaging ingredients. Example - a friend of mine has a recipe for liver and onions that involves coating the liver in flour to fry. I just fry up liver and onions in coconut oil. Get the difference I'm talking about? Mine isn't a recipe, it's just liver and onions. Hers is a recipe that she follows slavishly, even though the flour is potentially damaging and unnecessary.

Medium avatar

(10601)

on March 31, 2012
at 07:30 PM

Seek it out yes for sure, and feast on it when available, but I doubt that this happened at every meal. From my current reading on Neolithic Turkey, fat was coming from domestic sheep and goats. Wear patterns on teeth suggest that much of the food was eaten raw even though there were ovens. Cattle were wild and were available from time to time but not a major part of the diet.

4d6aa1a676240b15dc569ff8ade0500f

(2546)

on March 31, 2012
at 06:51 PM

@warren: i'm just always astonished by some of the questions that pop up on paleo hacks or other forums where it's clear that something is not working for the people that bring them up. examples like hair falling or massive binges since going low carb, or continuing to eat high fat despite gaining weight when weight loss is the goal, issues around food intolerances but the continued consumption of those foods because it is a "recommended" food. i think many of us wish that some expert has the answer for us and our health and diet, when the reality is that we have to do leg-work ourselves!

7e1433afbb06c318c4d90860d493c49d

(5959)

on March 31, 2012
at 06:10 PM

Sure, it's not "paleo" that I put a pat of butter on my steak. But, then, it's also not "paleo" that the butcher trimmed off most of the fat from the meat.

7e1433afbb06c318c4d90860d493c49d

(5959)

on March 31, 2012
at 05:35 PM

Free ranging animals in northern climates store fat for the winter. For example, venison is lean, but deer have thick layers of fat right underneath the skin. Trimmed muscle meats and low-fat ideology are the cultural norm of today, but I seriously doubt paleo man would have feasted on the lean muscle and discarded the layers of fat. There's evidence that early hominids scavenged animal carcasses to break open bones to get at the fatty marrow, so if anything, it is paleo to seek out fat rather than shun it.

24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on March 31, 2012
at 04:54 PM

@Alex: I've questioned whether any added fats are "paleo". Yes, olive oil, butter, lard, etc. are all "refined" foods. Depending on source, coconut oil can be highly processed -- deodorized, etc. So if all the CO folks are eating your brand, then it's not highly processed, but it remains a refined food. Just as sugar and flour are refined foods, so too is any oil extracted from a whole food. Doesn't make it bad, but it's not a natural food either.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 31, 2012
at 04:43 PM

Elimination diets, where whole groups of foods are eliminated are a fantastic way of discovering problem foods. I wish I had heard about doing elimination diets that way, a long time ago. It would have save me years of trying to figure out what was going on. Unfortunately, I did it the wrong way around because I had nobody to guide me and I really didn't know what I was doing. I would just eliminate one suspect food at a time. That worked with milk and bread but was a very slow and painful way of doing it, with other foods

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(10601)

on March 31, 2012
at 04:42 PM

The analogy of fruit juice is too hard to ignore @Evelyn. One orange or apple is fine. The trouble starts when you process 10 oranges into juice and drink it. The same goes for fat, and your coconut oil logic makes lots of sense.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 31, 2012
at 04:42 PM

Elimination diets, where whole groups of foods are eliminated are a fantastic way of discovering problem foods. I wish I had heard about doing elimination diets that way, a long time ago. It would have save me years of trying to figure out what was going on. Unfortunately, I did it the wrong way around. I would just eliminate one suspect food at a time. That worked with milk and bread but was a very slow and painful way of doing it, with other foods.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 31, 2012
at 04:33 PM

So a healthy twenty-something that wants to get fit and gain some muscle should really be on here posting questions about particular health problems that they don't have?

7e1433afbb06c318c4d90860d493c49d

(5959)

on March 31, 2012
at 03:14 PM

Highly processed? The coconut oil I buy is fresh coconut that has been pressed and centrifuged. That's no more "highly processed" than other traditional fats, like butter, olive oil, sesame oil, rendered animal fat, etc. IMO, "highly processed" as a scare term should be limited to those "foods" which have actually been damaged into something unhealthy by the processing.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on March 31, 2012
at 02:13 PM

I understand your take on coconut oil, but I just benefit so much from it... And it makes life way easier : I was underweight last year and don't want to under-eat ever again.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on March 31, 2012
at 02:08 PM

*fruit is just sugar on a branch* it's sugar and lots of other stuff, but what's so wrong with sugar in the right context? Paleo re-enactment is **not** cool anymore, didn't you notice?

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on March 31, 2012
at 02:05 PM

I just don't think it's the right season for pemmican yet. This year I'm gonna make it when going on holiday.

645be4f772c65ed78832224d35222893

(364)

on March 31, 2012
at 12:40 PM

Just asking for a little more meaningful discussion instead of shotgun approach.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on March 31, 2012
at 12:02 PM

I don't hate bone broth, it just doesn't really do anything. I thought it'd improve my skin, but it doesn't even work as well as pure gelatin. The taste is okay though, but when I leave the fat in it's extremely nasty :). Senneth, just a quick question : did you try eggshell calcium once? And also : where do you get your potassium from? Now that I don't eat spinach anymore, I have trouble getting enough calcium and potassium.

695d450f25e1e5f4eba82c615206cc5a

(189)

on March 31, 2012
at 11:22 AM

I think most of the crossfit injuries are from "crossfitters" who don't actually have trainers / coaches / or the know-how to properly perform movements. That goes for all workout routines. I know many people who go into the gym with a "get-ripped" plan and end up hurting themselves. Some crossfitters can be pushy, but not all of us are! Either you like it or you don't.

D4d83e7981ca572aaaa19fc620bb54f1

(467)

on March 31, 2012
at 10:24 AM

I agree or understand that it happens, since I think some people can be healthy enough and live well enough. But I also think getting sick would happen eventually to most people not following a healthy diet, and that it would be natural to care about health above other things. Also, sometimes we seem/look healthy when we are actually starting to develop some health issues.

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

(3536)

on March 31, 2012
at 12:46 AM

I want to love coconut, I really do, but it just doesn't want to love me back.

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

(3536)

on March 31, 2012
at 12:45 AM

I am not a huge bacon fan...tastes good, but makes me feel like shit.

5f3e1f803d7a9b8704bb11cda26bcf9a

(658)

on March 31, 2012
at 12:24 AM

Sara, what is "D" I am guessing diarrhea but not sure. I use bone broth on my old dog and she really thrives on it.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 30, 2012
at 11:36 PM

Some people don't give health much thought because they don't suffer any health problems.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 30, 2012
at 11:31 PM

Do people actually yell at you for not eating potatoes?

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on March 30, 2012
at 11:31 PM

Thanks. I need to try those things.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 30, 2012
at 11:29 PM

So? Many people seem to do very well, eating a lot of fat. Are people really eating huge amounts of fat just for the sake of it? How come I don't know of anybody that does this?

Ae3b7ea9f3755af32287825db8d98796

(2022)

on March 30, 2012
at 11:23 PM

Paleo 2.0- Is baked nut flour better than wheat flour or cheddar bunnies or cupcakes from a mix? I think everyone just does the best they can. It's not worth it to me to have my kids feel left out or for me to be ostracized by other moms, so I'd rather make a paleo muffin. No big deal. FWIW, I think they are disgusting.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 30, 2012
at 11:19 PM

I don't care if I'm hated by vegans but I must say that I am not aware of any vegans that hate me. The "them versus us" mentality is very cult like and should be avoided.

Medium avatar

(10601)

on March 30, 2012
at 11:16 PM

Because of kindly Dr. A, the speed limit on fat was removed and you can eat it ad libitum. I fail to see a connection between this and ancestor diet, but it's engrained in paleo CW.

Medium avatar

(10601)

on March 30, 2012
at 11:12 PM

The fat comes from Atkins, the godfather of modern paleo.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 30, 2012
at 11:11 PM

What makes you think "too many people follow blindly the information they find on blogs, websites, books"?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 30, 2012
at 11:05 PM

So be annoyed but some people are trying to fix themselves. Maybe you could find out why you get yourself wound up over something so trivial as other people's food intolerances? lol

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(10601)

on March 30, 2012
at 11:04 PM

+1 for the repetitive word "obsession".

Medium avatar

(10601)

on March 30, 2012
at 11:00 PM

All you really need to know about paleo is in a book or a blog. Nevermind ancestral living just follow Plan 9.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 30, 2012
at 10:58 PM

I don't think an allergy test will tell you what FODMAPs are giving you any problems but elimination diets certainly will.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 30, 2012
at 10:51 PM

Do people actually yell at you or not eating potatoes?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 30, 2012
at 10:47 PM

Senneth, did you try taking the fat off the top off of the broth when it has gone cold?

645be4f772c65ed78832224d35222893

(364)

on March 30, 2012
at 10:39 PM

Okay, let me amend: I thinks the shear breadth of elimination diet advocacy is annoying. Everyone and their uncle has some food that gives them grief, and they harp on that one thing in every forum thread. It often isn't an intelligent recommendation either, just a broad dragnet that "might" answer someone's concerns. I don't know how you fix this other than finding actual concrete medical/scientific evidence to narrow it down... Seriously, between goitrogens, FODMAPS, nightshades, dairy, and olaxates, you might as well eliminate "all food" and see how that works out.

2a00b9a42e4cb6e489a0e69d20714576

(3043)

on March 30, 2012
at 10:37 PM

Have you tried building up an immunity to it. People tend to try things, get sick and than write it off immediately. Coconut oil may not be natural in your old diet, try starting with a maximum of 1/4 of a teaspoon, maybe through cooking or plain and than work up. Also MCTs oil can be hidden in your water (made by Alpha).Its a perfect food, designed for brain health, especially for preventing/curing althemizers.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 30, 2012
at 10:37 PM

How do you know that people that eat a lot of fat are eating more total calories than they need?

2a00b9a42e4cb6e489a0e69d20714576

(3043)

on March 30, 2012
at 10:34 PM

Recipes are fun. Food on some level is still about social gathering.For some who are in control and eat whole foods, why shouldn't they enjoy being creative with them?

D4d83e7981ca572aaaa19fc620bb54f1

(467)

on March 30, 2012
at 10:16 PM

You're so right! I've never liked following recipes, especially the amounts of the ingredients. I prefer just hearing of combinations, like which herb goes well with what. I guess I only need to know the basics (for example, I didn't know stock has to simmer for days), and the rest is just whatever I feel like.

D4d83e7981ca572aaaa19fc620bb54f1

(467)

on March 30, 2012
at 10:07 PM

+1 about Crossfit obsession!

B9cbcb55e622f574368aec33052c0f08

(90)

on March 30, 2012
at 09:39 PM

Hehe, was listening to a podcast today where they were talking about how picking on vegans was just too easy and probably the safest group you could mess with. Was hilarious.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on March 30, 2012
at 08:50 PM

that's not paleo per-se, that's a Ray Peat thing

0fb8b3d6dcfb279b0f7e050d2d22510f

(4645)

on March 30, 2012
at 08:38 PM

to many - fruit is just sugar on a branch- though not all fruit is the same. some berries are cool, cherries and the once a week apple in season but oranges are really junk food, so it may sound simple but bull shit it isn't, at least to the guys that developed Paleo.

D4d83e7981ca572aaaa19fc620bb54f1

(467)

on March 30, 2012
at 08:37 PM

The flour I still have in the cupboard is almond flour. No more wheat, etc and I have also been nut-free, so I should probably just get rid of it. :)

D4d83e7981ca572aaaa19fc620bb54f1

(467)

on March 30, 2012
at 08:33 PM

Before I went paleo, I was on the SCD diet, so I used to bake some almond muffins. I still baked once again while paleo, since the ingredients were paleo (almonds, eggs, butter, honey), but now even though I want to finish with the flour I have in the cupboard, I just don't feel like baking. Baking just isn't paleo, as you mention. Besides, I don't have the cravings for pastries anymore. But I do think it was important to bake before paleo, as a transition. It was so easy for me to not need carbs when I went paleo. So my guess is that people who mention baking are probably transitioning.

F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

(4090)

on March 30, 2012
at 08:30 PM

I can't have starchy veggies -got the small intestinal bacterial overgrowth. Those little buggers love starch!!

0fb8b3d6dcfb279b0f7e050d2d22510f

(4645)

on March 30, 2012
at 08:29 PM

boil water place in bones- tougher than driving to the diner but a skill that pays you back tenfold. google has about a million sites that explain making stock (even mine)

F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

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on March 30, 2012
at 08:29 PM

I hate bone broth too! Its like liquid oil. UGH!!

D4d83e7981ca572aaaa19fc620bb54f1

(467)

on March 30, 2012
at 08:26 PM

I like bacon, but it does cause me problems, probably since it's smoked

1ce9661622ba354c61669ffe900a01ab

(552)

on March 30, 2012
at 07:21 PM

meret, I concur with your response. Good points ; )

1296f5fecd084f101d7c5fbe013f07eb

(1213)

on March 30, 2012
at 04:46 PM

Heh. Can you figure out how it's NOT healthy? Just interested in the thought process. No offense meant.

Ebcbbdcb8b727e69e06eaa102d49a84c

(1804)

on March 30, 2012
at 04:38 PM

+1 for your views on bacon.

Ebcbbdcb8b727e69e06eaa102d49a84c

(1804)

on March 30, 2012
at 04:35 PM

Organ meats creep me out too. I just can't get past the whole idea of them. I did, however, recently make my first batch of bone broth and actually liked it. Never know until you try! (actually saying this to myself, too!)

1ce9661622ba354c61669ffe900a01ab

(552)

on March 30, 2012
at 04:12 PM

Ah, yes Vegans. You should see the face of local Vegans as I walk around my town with my "Carnivores Eat Vegans" shirt on, lol. You just gotta picture me (this big/stocky paleo eater) wearing this shirt. I've had a few approach me and express their dislike of my shirt and Paleo lifestyle. To that I usually ask them, "Hey, you gonna eat that" (usually they've had food or shakes of some type, lol!!). Love it! Had to share ; )

4d6aa1a676240b15dc569ff8ade0500f

(2546)

on March 30, 2012
at 04:08 PM

motomoto, i'm not saying there aren't some people who are extremely sensitive to carbs. what bothers me is when people take CW and then replace it with other principles (even if paleo/primal) without actually considering their own body's reaction to the changes their making. i think too many people follow blindly the information they find on blogs, websites, books, simply because a supposed "expert" is saying that 'THIS' is the way. if you arrive at the conclusion that you're sensitive to carbs, and limit them for that reason: more power to you!!!

1ce9661622ba354c61669ffe900a01ab

(552)

on March 30, 2012
at 03:50 PM

The "carb" thing comes into play with many of us (such as myself). If not for being careful with carb intake, weight loss would be slow or non-existent. To each his/her own I say. I'm not offended by anyone's "opinion" on Paleo/Primal or whatever you want to call your "diet" (because that's what it is, a diet). Be proud that you can do/eat the way you want and feel/look better at the same time. Paleo on I say! ; )

3c759c53195d8f3a7a66cb24faeff004

on March 30, 2012
at 03:47 PM

@gydle that is such a good point!

7e1433afbb06c318c4d90860d493c49d

(5959)

on March 30, 2012
at 03:33 PM

I think an elimination diet is reasonable for absolutely anyone because it is an opportunity to learn about yourself. Experimentation is a good thing. It doesn't cost anything, and it's not like you're going to die of nightshade veggie deficiency.

7e1433afbb06c318c4d90860d493c49d

(5959)

on March 30, 2012
at 03:27 PM

@Dean I was surprised the first time I saw a deer carcass being skinned. The meat itself was very lean, but the animal carried thick layers of fat that were cut away and discarded.

7e1433afbb06c318c4d90860d493c49d

(5959)

on March 30, 2012
at 02:51 PM

By definition, vegans do not eat *any* animal products. Even if you're eating only a tiny quantity of meat, dairy, or eggs, vegans are going to have a problem with it.

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on March 30, 2012
at 02:42 PM

In all fairness, allergy testing is notoriously unreliable. I think an elimination diet seems totally reasonable for someone who's sick, as a method to identify the culprit. For me, it was nice to know that certain foods were *not* the culprits, so there was no need to treat them like poison.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on March 30, 2012
at 02:32 PM

Vegans definitely see us as the enemy for some reason. I see myself as a vegan who eats meat as much as anything. My diet is plant-based, but they'd shit themselves to see two little of wild venison chops on a plate full of spinach, peppers, onions, and mushrooms.

2870a69b9c0c0a19a919e54cb3a62137

(1520)

on March 30, 2012
at 02:23 PM

Game animals are rich in fat, but you don't get those parts in stores.

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(2338)

on March 30, 2012
at 02:22 PM

it's not that hard to figure out and if you spend any appreciable time around the paleosphere you'll find it makes a lot of sense

403a53c045ac5cda63f5b576d44e9710

on March 30, 2012
at 02:20 PM

It doesn't make sense to me either.

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(2338)

on March 30, 2012
at 02:20 PM

eat them and pay attention to how you feel you'll be amazed

7841848bd0c27c64353c583fb7971242

(7275)

on March 30, 2012
at 01:55 PM

I think the problem is not understanding that how your body reacts to something is different from how others might react. It seems a lot of people don't "get" a craze if it has done nothing for them. For example, you don't get elimination of FODMAPS or nightshades. From what I've read, ellimination diets are a lot more reliable than allergy testing, especially since allergy testing only assesses IgE reactions, and not IgG and IgA reactions. For people who are having troubled finding the problem foods in their diet, an elimination diet can be a godsend.

5759bd89db5f73cabe0a6e8f8e6e1cb9

(1467)

on March 30, 2012
at 01:50 PM

fantastic.. You said it so well.. I did really badly on low carb because I am hypothroid and fasting just gave me headaches. I was eating a piece of chicken the other day which tasted great and felt that I should dump a big bit of coconut oil on it. I am listening to my body more with paleo. I have realized that very little amounts of fructose give me a headache so I have had to buy a glucometer to figure things out for myself. Yes we need to tweak to perfection for ourselves and stop following blindly

5759bd89db5f73cabe0a6e8f8e6e1cb9

(1467)

on March 30, 2012
at 01:50 PM

fantastic.. You said it so well.. I did really badly on low carb because I am hypothroid and lost fasting Just gave me headaches. I was eating a piece of chicken the other day which tasted great and felt that I should dump a big bit of coconut oil on it. I am listening to my body more with paleo. I have realized that very little amounts of fructose give me a headache so I have had to buy a glucometer to figure things out for myself. Yes we need to tweak to perfection for ourselves and stop following blindly

5759bd89db5f73cabe0a6e8f8e6e1cb9

(1467)

on March 30, 2012
at 01:49 PM

fantastic.. You said it so well.. I did really badly on low carb because I am hypothroid and lost fasting just gave me headaches. I was eating a piece of chicken the other day which tasted great and felt that I should dump a big bit of coconut oil on it. I am listening to my body more with paleo. I have realized that very little amounts of fructose give me a headache so I have had to buy a glucometer to figure things out for myself. Yes we need to tweak to perfection for ourselves and stop following blindly.

7841848bd0c27c64353c583fb7971242

(7275)

on March 30, 2012
at 01:46 PM

Haha, I'm sort of the opposite to you with coconut oil: I like it for deodorant and toothpaste, but I don't like to eat it. I like bone broths because they are tasty, but didn't notice any difference from eating them, so I didn't get the hype, either. Then I started using bone broth (sans onion) for my dog when he gets D, and it is amazing. It cuts down what is usually a week of D down to a day or two, so I can understand the excitement more now.

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(2861)

on March 30, 2012
at 01:21 PM

Mandy, I'm skeptical though that baked nut flour is any better than rancid seed oil.

0382fa263de4c83328dc34a56e25437f

(4238)

on March 30, 2012
at 01:20 PM

I actually spend less now on food than I used to, pre-Paleo. For myself, that is. My husband is still a SAD eater. But my cheap cuts of meat, four dollar steaks and two dollars worth of broccoli are still less expensive than his deli sandwiches and premade frozen pizzas.

2f83028f9830b25f7c21109197176d9e

(328)

on March 30, 2012
at 12:34 PM

I can't eat bacon straight. I mostly dice up a slice or two and add it to soups or hashes for flavoring.

7e1433afbb06c318c4d90860d493c49d

(5959)

on March 30, 2012
at 12:11 PM

I understand the high fat eating. Fuel calories have to come from somewhere, and if it's not carbohydrate, then it's fat. I have wonky carb metabolism, so I get 50-60% of my calories as fat.

Ae3b7ea9f3755af32287825db8d98796

(2022)

on March 30, 2012
at 12:07 PM

Some people just like to cook! Nothing crazy about that. As far as paleo baked goods, sometimes you need a good substitute for muffins and cupcakes. I have little kids and I couldn't get away with serving bacon and avocado for a play date snack:)

7e1433afbb06c318c4d90860d493c49d

(5959)

on March 30, 2012
at 12:06 PM

Gourmet food isn't strange at all from a paleo diet perspective if you're not doing paleo as a cult of food reenactment.

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

(5043)

on March 30, 2012
at 11:09 AM

I don't get the whole idea of "recipes" at all. If you have whole food, some spices, some veggies, just experiment and cook it up. But then our culture is currently really into all teh celebrity chef and competitive cooking stuff, so maybe that's it. People think it needs to be "gourmet"

78cb3c4f70de5db2adb52b6b9671894b

(5519)

on March 30, 2012
at 08:16 AM

I think higher fat eating makes sense if someone is low-carb because they use the fats to make up for the calories they're not getting from starches/sugars. But I have to admit that my stomach twitches when I read about people cooking their bacon with lots of butter with eggs, sandwiched in-between sausage, and drinking coconut milk on the side.

8e10b687e328468783a72c55b64710e8

(1453)

on March 30, 2012
at 08:06 AM

I get acne from eating bacon. I love the taste, hate what it does to me.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on March 30, 2012
at 08:03 AM

I don't get bone broth either, but I gotta admit I see differences when I eat organ meat and bone broth regularly. *If everyone wanted organs to eat*. As if that's ever gonna happen, Paula. My butcher's assistent even asked someone else to cut the liver when I asked her for it. And when my mum eats liver, my whole family is disgusted.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on March 30, 2012
at 08:01 AM

I can understand it, especially if you didn't eat fat for a long time. Maybe it has something to do with fat-soluble vitamins, the ones we're all deficient in?

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on March 30, 2012
at 08:00 AM

Yes, I never got that paleo recipe craze. Maybe I'm just a bad cook though.

C513f1dba19e01bbd7e0f4f12b243a97

(670)

on March 30, 2012
at 07:17 AM

That's awesome, Sunny! I envy you so much. I'm still trying to get over this irrational fear of the foods that have the potential to be the most nourishing. But most days it's easier just to go for the ground beef and lamb chops -_-

8fbbf720caae616b07d3a8a12e59093f

(56)

on March 30, 2012
at 06:43 AM

How many organ meats can there be in the world? If everyone wanted organs to eat, there would be a shortage.

8fbbf720caae616b07d3a8a12e59093f

(56)

on March 30, 2012
at 06:41 AM

Love the (nitrite-free) bacon, but is it still bacon if I trim most the dangling fat BEFORE and AFTER it's slow cooked in an oven?

0266737ea1782946902fd3f8e60fa0b9

(2504)

on March 30, 2012
at 05:50 AM

+1 for not loving bacon.

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on March 30, 2012
at 05:48 AM

organ meats are just as easy to cook as muscle meats

90f66d30d977b07694403b469b3f85c5

on March 30, 2012
at 05:35 AM

I LOVE BACON!!!

78cb3c4f70de5db2adb52b6b9671894b

(5519)

on March 30, 2012
at 05:29 AM

I also associate bacon with being "dirty". I think it's because it's a food I used to be so fearful of and I still haven't gotten over it. I'm fine and dandy and all with fats...but the entire crisp nature of bacon kind of freaks me out. I grew up in an opposite culture where we eat EVERYTHING...kidneys, livers, hearts, fish eyeball goo :), jellyfish, sea slugs, tripe, etc. etc. My mom once asked if it was illegal in America to eat duck eggs from a random nest at the park, to give you an idea of how I grew up. Thus, nothing much grosses me out in terms of parts of an animal.

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(19245)

on March 30, 2012
at 05:13 AM

Join the bacon heresy club.

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F5dba6620bab247c3ebf5a4e8324b39d

(318)

on March 30, 2012
at 07:47 AM

I don't understand why people make Paleo treats, cakes an pastries. It's like hey I've found the great simple eating plan, but I still want to eat all the crap it ate before, but because it's made from Paleo ingredients it's good for me. The high levels of Fat is another thing. If they look at the game animals we buy now, which would be similar to the games the Paleo peep hunted, they have very minimal fat. Somewhere near 3%. Paleo has lost its simplicity. If it hasire than 3 ingredients, don't eat it

403a53c045ac5cda63f5b576d44e9710

on March 30, 2012
at 02:20 PM

It doesn't make sense to me either.

7e1433afbb06c318c4d90860d493c49d

(5959)

on March 30, 2012
at 12:06 PM

Gourmet food isn't strange at all from a paleo diet perspective if you're not doing paleo as a cult of food reenactment.

Bf57bcbdc19d4f1728599053acd020ab

(5043)

on March 30, 2012
at 11:09 AM

I don't get the whole idea of "recipes" at all. If you have whole food, some spices, some veggies, just experiment and cook it up. But then our culture is currently really into all teh celebrity chef and competitive cooking stuff, so maybe that's it. People think it needs to be "gourmet"

7d64d3988de1b0e493aacf37843c5596

(2861)

on March 30, 2012
at 01:21 PM

Mandy, I'm skeptical though that baked nut flour is any better than rancid seed oil.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on March 30, 2012
at 08:00 AM

Yes, I never got that paleo recipe craze. Maybe I'm just a bad cook though.

2870a69b9c0c0a19a919e54cb3a62137

(1520)

on March 30, 2012
at 02:23 PM

Game animals are rich in fat, but you don't get those parts in stores.

7e1433afbb06c318c4d90860d493c49d

(5959)

on March 30, 2012
at 03:27 PM

@Dean I was surprised the first time I saw a deer carcass being skinned. The meat itself was very lean, but the animal carried thick layers of fat that were cut away and discarded.

Ae3b7ea9f3755af32287825db8d98796

(2022)

on March 30, 2012
at 12:07 PM

Some people just like to cook! Nothing crazy about that. As far as paleo baked goods, sometimes you need a good substitute for muffins and cupcakes. I have little kids and I couldn't get away with serving bacon and avocado for a play date snack:)

D4d83e7981ca572aaaa19fc620bb54f1

(467)

on March 30, 2012
at 08:37 PM

The flour I still have in the cupboard is almond flour. No more wheat, etc and I have also been nut-free, so I should probably just get rid of it. :)

D4d83e7981ca572aaaa19fc620bb54f1

(467)

on March 30, 2012
at 08:33 PM

Before I went paleo, I was on the SCD diet, so I used to bake some almond muffins. I still baked once again while paleo, since the ingredients were paleo (almonds, eggs, butter, honey), but now even though I want to finish with the flour I have in the cupboard, I just don't feel like baking. Baking just isn't paleo, as you mention. Besides, I don't have the cravings for pastries anymore. But I do think it was important to bake before paleo, as a transition. It was so easy for me to not need carbs when I went paleo. So my guess is that people who mention baking are probably transitioning.

Ae3b7ea9f3755af32287825db8d98796

(2022)

on March 30, 2012
at 11:23 PM

Paleo 2.0- Is baked nut flour better than wheat flour or cheddar bunnies or cupcakes from a mix? I think everyone just does the best they can. It's not worth it to me to have my kids feel left out or for me to be ostracized by other moms, so I'd rather make a paleo muffin. No big deal. FWIW, I think they are disgusting.

3c759c53195d8f3a7a66cb24faeff004

on March 30, 2012
at 03:47 PM

@gydle that is such a good point!

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4d6aa1a676240b15dc569ff8ade0500f

(2546)

on March 30, 2012
at 01:23 PM

  • the fear of fruit
  • the fear of starchy veggies
  • obsession with coconut products, even for people who likely never had it in their heritage
  • obsessive adding of a lot of extra fat to every meal -- there's no reason to pour straight up coconut oil over your meal.
  • obsessive counting of carb grams, even non-starchy veggies
  • obsessive manipulation of supplementation to reach "perfect" nourishment
  • obsessive focus on eating animal protein at every meal
  • feeling of superiority and condecension that can come through when talking about other people's eating habits.

i guess i don't love how many people still eat according to external cues instead of truly listening to their bodies and trying to understand what makes them feel their best. i essentially did all of the things above and meanwhile have realized that: fruit and tubers make my body feel good, coconut does not. counting carbs drives me mental. supplementation was expensive and actually didn't make a difference. my body doesn't want meat every meal, and it certainly doesn't want excessive amounts of fat. we tend to give a lot of our power away by taking on other people's beliefs about how to eat -- stop just following others' mandates! start thinking for yourself!

742ff8ba4ff55e84593ede14ac1c3cab

(3536)

on March 31, 2012
at 12:46 AM

I want to love coconut, I really do, but it just doesn't want to love me back.

1ce9661622ba354c61669ffe900a01ab

(552)

on March 30, 2012
at 07:21 PM

meret, I concur with your response. Good points ; )

5759bd89db5f73cabe0a6e8f8e6e1cb9

(1467)

on March 30, 2012
at 01:50 PM

fantastic.. You said it so well.. I did really badly on low carb because I am hypothroid and lost fasting Just gave me headaches. I was eating a piece of chicken the other day which tasted great and felt that I should dump a big bit of coconut oil on it. I am listening to my body more with paleo. I have realized that very little amounts of fructose give me a headache so I have had to buy a glucometer to figure things out for myself. Yes we need to tweak to perfection for ourselves and stop following blindly

5759bd89db5f73cabe0a6e8f8e6e1cb9

(1467)

on March 30, 2012
at 01:49 PM

fantastic.. You said it so well.. I did really badly on low carb because I am hypothroid and lost fasting just gave me headaches. I was eating a piece of chicken the other day which tasted great and felt that I should dump a big bit of coconut oil on it. I am listening to my body more with paleo. I have realized that very little amounts of fructose give me a headache so I have had to buy a glucometer to figure things out for myself. Yes we need to tweak to perfection for ourselves and stop following blindly.

5759bd89db5f73cabe0a6e8f8e6e1cb9

(1467)

on March 30, 2012
at 01:50 PM

fantastic.. You said it so well.. I did really badly on low carb because I am hypothroid and fasting just gave me headaches. I was eating a piece of chicken the other day which tasted great and felt that I should dump a big bit of coconut oil on it. I am listening to my body more with paleo. I have realized that very little amounts of fructose give me a headache so I have had to buy a glucometer to figure things out for myself. Yes we need to tweak to perfection for ourselves and stop following blindly

1ce9661622ba354c61669ffe900a01ab

(552)

on March 30, 2012
at 03:50 PM

The "carb" thing comes into play with many of us (such as myself). If not for being careful with carb intake, weight loss would be slow or non-existent. To each his/her own I say. I'm not offended by anyone's "opinion" on Paleo/Primal or whatever you want to call your "diet" (because that's what it is, a diet). Be proud that you can do/eat the way you want and feel/look better at the same time. Paleo on I say! ; )

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(10601)

on March 30, 2012
at 11:04 PM

+1 for the repetitive word "obsession".

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 30, 2012
at 11:11 PM

What makes you think "too many people follow blindly the information they find on blogs, websites, books"?

4d6aa1a676240b15dc569ff8ade0500f

(2546)

on March 30, 2012
at 04:08 PM

motomoto, i'm not saying there aren't some people who are extremely sensitive to carbs. what bothers me is when people take CW and then replace it with other principles (even if paleo/primal) without actually considering their own body's reaction to the changes their making. i think too many people follow blindly the information they find on blogs, websites, books, simply because a supposed "expert" is saying that 'THIS' is the way. if you arrive at the conclusion that you're sensitive to carbs, and limit them for that reason: more power to you!!!

4d6aa1a676240b15dc569ff8ade0500f

(2546)

on March 31, 2012
at 06:51 PM

@warren: i'm just always astonished by some of the questions that pop up on paleo hacks or other forums where it's clear that something is not working for the people that bring them up. examples like hair falling or massive binges since going low carb, or continuing to eat high fat despite gaining weight when weight loss is the goal, issues around food intolerances but the continued consumption of those foods because it is a "recommended" food. i think many of us wish that some expert has the answer for us and our health and diet, when the reality is that we have to do leg-work ourselves!

C2ad96801ec1e22d2bf62475b6e52751

(1416)

on June 22, 2012
at 02:03 AM

This, this, a thousand times this.

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A7925ab8ea44e6d4d5d7c6f202632c6c

(404)

on March 30, 2012
at 05:41 AM

eating HUGE amounts of fat just for the sake of it, even if that means eating more total calories than you probably need to

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 30, 2012
at 10:37 PM

How do you know that people that eat a lot of fat are eating more total calories than they need?

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(10601)

on March 30, 2012
at 11:16 PM

Because of kindly Dr. A, the speed limit on fat was removed and you can eat it ad libitum. I fail to see a connection between this and ancestor diet, but it's engrained in paleo CW.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 30, 2012
at 11:29 PM

So? Many people seem to do very well, eating a lot of fat. Are people really eating huge amounts of fat just for the sake of it? How come I don't know of anybody that does this?

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on April 02, 2012
at 10:06 AM

I ate huge amounts of fat, not for the sake of it, but because it made me feel good. All of it was coconut oil. My mental improves a lot with it. There's nothing wrong with eating tons of calories if you don't get fat from it and do well with it. In my case, I can eat >4000kcal and still remain lean.

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

(6259)

on April 01, 2012
at 03:59 PM

Have you read Taubes - Why We Get Fat (short) and Good Calories, Bad Calories (longer version)? A calorie is not just a calorie. The body metabolizes different foods differently. There is a big difference in 800 calories from each of the following foods - meat/seafood, vegetables, starches, grains, legumes, fruits, nuts - not to mention unprocessed vs. less processed foods.

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1ce9661622ba354c61669ffe900a01ab

on March 30, 2012
at 04:04 PM

Still don't get the obsession many Paleo folks have with Crossfit, lol. You do it, great! Not my thing, nor will it ever be (so, don't push it on me, plus I'm bigger than you so leave me alone, kidding, lol). I run into so many fanatical Paleo Crossfitters it's become quite comical. Time will show the numerous injuries and burnout Crossfit does to folks (especially those who are obsessive with it, I know a few burnouts/injured already). Others will continue moderate/aggressive routines and be fine (good for you). Just a fad IMO. Get your butt out there and just move (and move often) is my opinion (and add some strength training if you so desire).

As for eating habits (what people eat), I could care less. To each his/her own I say. If it works for you, by all means eat/ingest it. Bottom line, just stay away from a SAD diet ; ) Paleo on folks!

D4d83e7981ca572aaaa19fc620bb54f1

(467)

on March 30, 2012
at 10:07 PM

+1 about Crossfit obsession!

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(189)

on March 31, 2012
at 11:22 AM

I think most of the crossfit injuries are from "crossfitters" who don't actually have trainers / coaches / or the know-how to properly perform movements. That goes for all workout routines. I know many people who go into the gym with a "get-ripped" plan and end up hurting themselves. Some crossfitters can be pushy, but not all of us are! Either you like it or you don't.

1ce9661622ba354c61669ffe900a01ab

(552)

on April 02, 2012
at 09:37 PM

Rene, very true. What I foresee with the explosion of interest in Crossfit (there are quite a few CF gyms in Northern CA), I see more and more emphasis on getting membership than emphasis on technique. My $.02. Not everyone is meant to deadlift, clean/press, etc, etc. If one likes that and feels better/reaps benefits from CF, by all means, rock on (and keep doing it) ; )

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(2919)

on June 22, 2012
at 12:32 AM

Any workout that requires a trainer is not a good workout in my opinion.

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246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

(21430)

on March 30, 2012
at 11:49 AM

I don't get why so many get so defensive about their potatoes. Eat them! Enjoy them! Don't yell at me because I eat them less than you do and otherwise advocate a low carb approach for myself.

As much as I like coconut oil (I cook with it, use it for a dip with beef jerky, and occasionally put it in chai tea), I don't know about all the "mix this with coconut oil to make deodorant, use coconut oil as lube/face cream/shampoo/toothpaste/diaper ointment".

I eat 2-3 strips of bacon every day. I can't say that bacon is a wonderful food source, but it's a quick and non-filling (calorically equivalent to a small steak but in a smaller package) calorie dump when I need it. I understand this craze - a food that was labelled "bad" has been upgraded to "meh, you might can do better" on Paleo, so people approach it with semi-carte blanche.

I like bone broths - but don't necessarily feel they are any more a healing food than I am the Dali Lama. Nutritive and mentally calming, yes... wonderfood/superfood, meh.

Not into the megadosing of certain vitamins/minerals. I take a few things here/there (zinc/mag/b6 and cod liver oil), but unless countered with some sort of a deficiency, I don't think I feel it necessary.

And I might get some flack for this, but I really, truely do not understand when people say "I'm eating 1500 calories, and crossfitting 7 days a week, plus weightlifting in the evenings, and I run 17 miles every two days - why am I not losing weight?". Similar posts seem to pop up on PH every freaking day... and every time I read one I can feel the veins pop out on my forehead.

I kinda miss the "old school" paleo craze, pemmican. It doesn't get much press anymore. I might have to make some now...

Ebcbbdcb8b727e69e06eaa102d49a84c

(1804)

on March 30, 2012
at 04:38 PM

+1 for your views on bacon.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 30, 2012
at 11:31 PM

Do people actually yell at you for not eating potatoes?

5f3e1f803d7a9b8704bb11cda26bcf9a

(658)

on March 31, 2012
at 12:24 AM

Sara, what is "D" I am guessing diarrhea but not sure. I use bone broth on my old dog and she really thrives on it.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on March 31, 2012
at 02:05 PM

I just don't think it's the right season for pemmican yet. This year I'm gonna make it when going on holiday.

7841848bd0c27c64353c583fb7971242

(7275)

on March 30, 2012
at 01:46 PM

Haha, I'm sort of the opposite to you with coconut oil: I like it for deodorant and toothpaste, but I don't like to eat it. I like bone broths because they are tasty, but didn't notice any difference from eating them, so I didn't get the hype, either. Then I started using bone broth (sans onion) for my dog when he gets D, and it is amazing. It cuts down what is usually a week of D down to a day or two, so I can understand the excitement more now.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 30, 2012
at 10:51 PM

Do people actually yell at you or not eating potatoes?

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6cdc6b1e75690cfcc4804a6c9eaa910a

(2171)

on March 30, 2012
at 01:04 PM

I don't get recipes. For me the whole point is you don't need a recipe, you just eat plain, unadulterated, simple, real, unprocessed food. Done. Give me a slab of meat/fish/chicken with veggies and I'm cool...

2a00b9a42e4cb6e489a0e69d20714576

(3043)

on March 30, 2012
at 10:34 PM

Recipes are fun. Food on some level is still about social gathering.For some who are in control and eat whole foods, why shouldn't they enjoy being creative with them?

6cdc6b1e75690cfcc4804a6c9eaa910a

(2171)

on March 31, 2012
at 08:00 PM

Chelsea - maybe it's just me, but recipes somehow detract from the simplicity for me and add a window to add unnecessary and more likely damaging ingredients. Example - a friend of mine has a recipe for liver and onions that involves coating the liver in flour to fry. I just fry up liver and onions in coconut oil. Get the difference I'm talking about? Mine isn't a recipe, it's just liver and onions. Hers is a recipe that she follows slavishly, even though the flour is potentially damaging and unnecessary.

D4d83e7981ca572aaaa19fc620bb54f1

(467)

on March 30, 2012
at 10:16 PM

You're so right! I've never liked following recipes, especially the amounts of the ingredients. I prefer just hearing of combinations, like which herb goes well with what. I guess I only need to know the basics (for example, I didn't know stock has to simmer for days), and the rest is just whatever I feel like.

518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

(11577)

on April 01, 2012
at 12:15 AM

My biggest point for recipes is a lot of people don't know how to cook very basic dishes. The simpler the dish, the more important the skill is behind it. I have eaten so many dishes that would have been worth the few minutes it would have taken to google how to cook that cut, or how to season properly, or how to skim a stew. So, my motto is recipes: use it the first time you cook something, or beware. Same goes in professional kitchens- except instead of a recipe you get guidance from a fellow cook. Similar principle.

6cdc6b1e75690cfcc4804a6c9eaa910a

(2171)

on April 02, 2012
at 04:17 PM

@cerement - Ha! Not in my (non-existent recipe) book it ain't!!!

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(2923)

on April 02, 2012
at 07:29 AM

@Gary - that's a recipe, short and simple, but it's still a recipe :p

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B41cdb2253976ba9b429dd608d02c21f

(1495)

on March 30, 2012
at 02:16 PM

I'm taking a different avenue - I don't get why other people, ESP. Vegetarians and Vegans hate Paleo no matter how much I educate them on "we aren't eating meat 24-7." My diet is similar to a Vegan diet, just add eggs and some meat and remove the soy. I eat far more veggies than I do animals. Actually, I eat more veggies than any Vegan I know. I also happen to have more animals as pets than any Vegan I know. Are other Paleo crazies ruining it for us? I just don't get the deep hatred for Paleo peeps.

1ce9661622ba354c61669ffe900a01ab

(552)

on March 30, 2012
at 04:12 PM

Ah, yes Vegans. You should see the face of local Vegans as I walk around my town with my "Carnivores Eat Vegans" shirt on, lol. You just gotta picture me (this big/stocky paleo eater) wearing this shirt. I've had a few approach me and express their dislike of my shirt and Paleo lifestyle. To that I usually ask them, "Hey, you gonna eat that" (usually they've had food or shakes of some type, lol!!). Love it! Had to share ; )

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 30, 2012
at 11:19 PM

I don't care if I'm hated by vegans but I must say that I am not aware of any vegans that hate me. The "them versus us" mentality is very cult like and should be avoided.

7e1433afbb06c318c4d90860d493c49d

(5959)

on March 30, 2012
at 02:51 PM

By definition, vegans do not eat *any* animal products. Even if you're eating only a tiny quantity of meat, dairy, or eggs, vegans are going to have a problem with it.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on March 30, 2012
at 02:32 PM

Vegans definitely see us as the enemy for some reason. I see myself as a vegan who eats meat as much as anything. My diet is plant-based, but they'd shit themselves to see two little of wild venison chops on a plate full of spinach, peppers, onions, and mushrooms.

B9cbcb55e622f574368aec33052c0f08

(90)

on March 30, 2012
at 09:39 PM

Hehe, was listening to a podcast today where they were talking about how picking on vegans was just too easy and probably the safest group you could mess with. Was hilarious.

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

(6259)

on April 01, 2012
at 04:40 PM

An ancestral lifestyle can provoke cognitive dissonance causing ignorance or hate. Others can be curious. At AHS 2011 in an informal poll of 300ish, 50-70% of current ancestral lifestylers had been ex-vegan/ex-vegetarian! Paleos and vegans/vegetarians share 80% in common esp. when both are gluten-free, dairy-free, and/or soy-free. We should build trust on common ground (ie. against GMOs, like fermented foods etc.). Demonizing our differences won't help. Give a little respect. Remember Cordain, Daniel, Kresser, Lalonde, Masterjohn, Minger, Sisson, etc. were ex-vegetarian/vegan.

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

(6259)

on April 01, 2012
at 04:44 PM

An ancestral lifestyle can provoke cognitive dissonance causing ignorance or hate. Others can be curious. At AHS 2011 in an informal poll of 300ish, 50-70% of current ancestral lifestylers had been ex-vegan/ex-vegetarian! Paleos and vegans/vegetarians share 80% in common esp. when both are gluten-free, dairy-free, and/or soy-free. We should build trust on common ground (ie. against GMOs, like fermented foods etc.). Demonizing our differences won't help. Give a little respect. Remember Cordain, Daniel, Kresser, Lalonde, Masterjohn, Minger, Sisson,Wolf etc. were ex-vegetarian/vegan!

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

(6259)

on April 01, 2012
at 04:09 PM

Some are threatened by how healthy some people are with an ancestral lifestyle - or how they have improved on it. Or they ignore it because of cognitive dissonance. The irony is that often Paleos and Vegans/Vegetarians agree on 80% - especially if they are both dairy-free, gluten-free and soy-free. We should focus on our common ground (against GMOs), etc. and build trust. Remember 50-70% people in a current ancestral lifestyle were vegetarian and/or vegan at some point, so they current vegetarians/vegans are likely to be open to change. Demonizing the differences doesn't help anyone.

8508fec4bae4a580d1e1b807058fee8e

(6259)

on April 01, 2012
at 04:38 PM

An ancestral lifestyle can provoke cognitive dissonance causing ignorance or hate. Others can be curious. At AHS 2011 in an informal poll of 300ish, 50-70% of current ancestral lifestylers had been ex-vegan/ex-vegetarian! Paleos and vegans/vegetarians share 80% in common esp. when both are gluten-free, dairy-free, and/or soy-free. We should build trust on common ground (ie. against GMOs, like fermented foods etc.). Demonizing our differences won't help. Give a little respect. Remember Lalonde, Daniel, Cordain, Wolf, Masterjohn, Sisson, and Kresser, etc. were ex-vegetarian/vegan!

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(2923)

on April 02, 2012
at 07:32 AM

Just threaten to pull out some bacon. Bacon is the gateway meat. The first strip is free ...

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on March 30, 2012
at 07:30 PM

Don't get coconut oil. It doesn't work for me. Being scared of fruit is really BS to me. Going without starchy veggies I don't understand.

F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

(4090)

on March 30, 2012
at 08:30 PM

I can't have starchy veggies -got the small intestinal bacterial overgrowth. Those little buggers love starch!!

0fb8b3d6dcfb279b0f7e050d2d22510f

(4645)

on March 30, 2012
at 08:38 PM

to many - fruit is just sugar on a branch- though not all fruit is the same. some berries are cool, cherries and the once a week apple in season but oranges are really junk food, so it may sound simple but bull shit it isn't, at least to the guys that developed Paleo.

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(10601)

on March 30, 2012
at 11:00 PM

All you really need to know about paleo is in a book or a blog. Nevermind ancestral living just follow Plan 9.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on March 31, 2012
at 02:08 PM

*fruit is just sugar on a branch* it's sugar and lots of other stuff, but what's so wrong with sugar in the right context? Paleo re-enactment is **not** cool anymore, didn't you notice?

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0fb8b3d6dcfb279b0f7e050d2d22510f

(4645)

on March 30, 2012
at 08:32 PM

asking permission to eat something on paleohacks - just eat it and your body will get back to you if you are serious about it, otherwise eat anything and wear a paleo T-Shirt and you are cool in a crowd.

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90f66d30d977b07694403b469b3f85c5

on March 30, 2012
at 05:33 AM

I don't get bone broth or organ meats. I've never tried either of them, and I'd like to, but it seems like they must be more trouble than they're worth!

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on March 30, 2012
at 08:03 AM

I don't get bone broth either, but I gotta admit I see differences when I eat organ meat and bone broth regularly. *If everyone wanted organs to eat*. As if that's ever gonna happen, Paula. My butcher's assistent even asked someone else to cut the liver when I asked her for it. And when my mum eats liver, my whole family is disgusted.

0fb8b3d6dcfb279b0f7e050d2d22510f

(4645)

on March 30, 2012
at 08:29 PM

boil water place in bones- tougher than driving to the diner but a skill that pays you back tenfold. google has about a million sites that explain making stock (even mine)

8fbbf720caae616b07d3a8a12e59093f

(56)

on March 30, 2012
at 06:43 AM

How many organ meats can there be in the world? If everyone wanted organs to eat, there would be a shortage.

Medium avatar

(2338)

on March 30, 2012
at 02:20 PM

eat them and pay attention to how you feel you'll be amazed

Ebcbbdcb8b727e69e06eaa102d49a84c

(1804)

on March 30, 2012
at 04:35 PM

Organ meats creep me out too. I just can't get past the whole idea of them. I did, however, recently make my first batch of bone broth and actually liked it. Never know until you try! (actually saying this to myself, too!)

64433a05384cd9717c1aa6bf7e98b661

(15236)

on March 30, 2012
at 05:48 AM

organ meats are just as easy to cook as muscle meats

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D4d83e7981ca572aaaa19fc620bb54f1

(467)

on March 30, 2012
at 10:30 PM

That to some it seems to be more about muscles/looks than about health.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 30, 2012
at 11:36 PM

Some people don't give health much thought because they don't suffer any health problems.

D4d83e7981ca572aaaa19fc620bb54f1

(467)

on March 31, 2012
at 10:24 AM

I agree or understand that it happens, since I think some people can be healthy enough and live well enough. But I also think getting sick would happen eventually to most people not following a healthy diet, and that it would be natural to care about health above other things. Also, sometimes we seem/look healthy when we are actually starting to develop some health issues.

D4d83e7981ca572aaaa19fc620bb54f1

(467)

on March 31, 2012
at 08:28 PM

No, I didn't say anything about having to ask questions about health, or not to ask about muscles. I don't think you have to have any health problems in order to want to be (stay) healthy and care more about it. Perhaps I think this way because I see everyone getting unhealthy (aging included) everyday, just at different rates.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 31, 2012
at 04:33 PM

So a healthy twenty-something that wants to get fit and gain some muscle should really be on here posting questions about particular health problems that they don't have?

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645be4f772c65ed78832224d35222893

on March 30, 2012
at 12:53 PM

I think there's a difference between how your body reacts to something and not "getting" a concept. Obviously, if your system can't handle coconut, you shouldn't eat it. That has nothing to do with your lack of understanding or some fault in the coconut advocates.

For me, the crazes I don't "get" are the obsession with elimination diets for FODMAPs and nightshades. For some people that have auto-immune or inflammation problems, sure...but the idea that you should take the time to eliminate entire families of vegetables and fruits just to see if they do cause you problems is hogwash. If you have a legitimate problem, get an allergy test. I think the Primal Palate people are doing some sort of elimination diet right now...why?

645be4f772c65ed78832224d35222893

(364)

on March 30, 2012
at 10:39 PM

Okay, let me amend: I thinks the shear breadth of elimination diet advocacy is annoying. Everyone and their uncle has some food that gives them grief, and they harp on that one thing in every forum thread. It often isn't an intelligent recommendation either, just a broad dragnet that "might" answer someone's concerns. I don't know how you fix this other than finding actual concrete medical/scientific evidence to narrow it down... Seriously, between goitrogens, FODMAPS, nightshades, dairy, and olaxates, you might as well eliminate "all food" and see how that works out.

7841848bd0c27c64353c583fb7971242

(7275)

on March 30, 2012
at 01:55 PM

I think the problem is not understanding that how your body reacts to something is different from how others might react. It seems a lot of people don't "get" a craze if it has done nothing for them. For example, you don't get elimination of FODMAPS or nightshades. From what I've read, ellimination diets are a lot more reliable than allergy testing, especially since allergy testing only assesses IgE reactions, and not IgG and IgA reactions. For people who are having troubled finding the problem foods in their diet, an elimination diet can be a godsend.

7e1433afbb06c318c4d90860d493c49d

(5959)

on March 30, 2012
at 03:33 PM

I think an elimination diet is reasonable for absolutely anyone because it is an opportunity to learn about yourself. Experimentation is a good thing. It doesn't cost anything, and it's not like you're going to die of nightshade veggie deficiency.

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on March 30, 2012
at 02:42 PM

In all fairness, allergy testing is notoriously unreliable. I think an elimination diet seems totally reasonable for someone who's sick, as a method to identify the culprit. For me, it was nice to know that certain foods were *not* the culprits, so there was no need to treat them like poison.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 30, 2012
at 10:58 PM

I don't think an allergy test will tell you what FODMAPs are giving you any problems but elimination diets certainly will.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 30, 2012
at 11:05 PM

So be annoyed but some people are trying to fix themselves. Maybe you could find out why you get yourself wound up over something so trivial as other people's food intolerances? lol

645be4f772c65ed78832224d35222893

(364)

on March 31, 2012
at 12:40 PM

Just asking for a little more meaningful discussion instead of shotgun approach.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 31, 2012
at 04:42 PM

Elimination diets, where whole groups of foods are eliminated are a fantastic way of discovering problem foods. I wish I had heard about doing elimination diets that way, a long time ago. It would have save me years of trying to figure out what was going on. Unfortunately, I did it the wrong way around. I would just eliminate one suspect food at a time. That worked with milk and bread but was a very slow and painful way of doing it, with other foods.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 31, 2012
at 04:43 PM

Elimination diets, where whole groups of foods are eliminated are a fantastic way of discovering problem foods. I wish I had heard about doing elimination diets that way, a long time ago. It would have save me years of trying to figure out what was going on. Unfortunately, I did it the wrong way around because I had nobody to guide me and I really didn't know what I was doing. I would just eliminate one suspect food at a time. That worked with milk and bread but was a very slow and painful way of doing it, with other foods

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41747)

on March 30, 2012
at 11:17 AM

  • Bone broth - I don't think there's anything magic in there. It's good for a soup base and that's about it.
  • Gelatin - It's a bunch of non-essential amino acids...
  • Coconut oil - For its own sake, coconut oil is wacky. Now, cook with it and it's a fine fat to use.
  • Bacon - (in all things). A little bit of bacon now and then is perfectly fine, probably don't eat more than half a pound a month (and only that much because that's how I packaged them when we butchered the pig). I scratch my head how some folks eat 2-3 pounds per person per week!

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0266737ea1782946902fd3f8e60fa0b9

(2504)

on March 30, 2012
at 06:25 AM

where do I begin? Can't tolerate coconut milk (thank you fodmaps), don't like the taste/feel of most fats, and have particular trouble with animal fats, don't like meat, and am totally skeeved by organ meats (other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you like the show?)

If left to my own devices, I'd get 100% of my calories from sugar and mainline diet coke. Unfortunately for my natural preferences, I do best on a high protein, high veg diet, so I mostly follow the paleo plan of eating, but it's definitely not natural for me.

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24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on March 31, 2012
at 01:49 PM

Hands down the coconut fat obsession. Coconut oil is highly processed. Coconut milk (cream) doesn't just drip from a coconut. I'm not sure it was on this board or not, but someone once issued a challenge of sorts. Get a real coconut in it's whole state. Not just the brown shell that has been pre-scored to crack easily with a little whack either. Now go get the coconut meat out of that coconut. There's no doubt our paleo ancestors in that climate would have eaten this food. There's also no doubt that they didn't consume up to several coconuts' worth of the fat daily.

Oh, and I know it's not an obsession, but I don't get ANYONE buying Primal Fuel!!

7e1433afbb06c318c4d90860d493c49d

(5959)

on March 31, 2012
at 03:14 PM

Highly processed? The coconut oil I buy is fresh coconut that has been pressed and centrifuged. That's no more "highly processed" than other traditional fats, like butter, olive oil, sesame oil, rendered animal fat, etc. IMO, "highly processed" as a scare term should be limited to those "foods" which have actually been damaged into something unhealthy by the processing.

24df4e0d0e7ce98963d4641fae1a60e5

on March 31, 2012
at 04:54 PM

@Alex: I've questioned whether any added fats are "paleo". Yes, olive oil, butter, lard, etc. are all "refined" foods. Depending on source, coconut oil can be highly processed -- deodorized, etc. So if all the CO folks are eating your brand, then it's not highly processed, but it remains a refined food. Just as sugar and flour are refined foods, so too is any oil extracted from a whole food. Doesn't make it bad, but it's not a natural food either.

7e1433afbb06c318c4d90860d493c49d

(5959)

on March 31, 2012
at 06:10 PM

Sure, it's not "paleo" that I put a pat of butter on my steak. But, then, it's also not "paleo" that the butcher trimmed off most of the fat from the meat.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on March 31, 2012
at 02:13 PM

I understand your take on coconut oil, but I just benefit so much from it... And it makes life way easier : I was underweight last year and don't want to under-eat ever again.

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(10601)

on March 31, 2012
at 04:42 PM

The analogy of fruit juice is too hard to ignore @Evelyn. One orange or apple is fine. The trouble starts when you process 10 oranges into juice and drink it. The same goes for fat, and your coconut oil logic makes lots of sense.

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C513f1dba19e01bbd7e0f4f12b243a97

(670)

on March 30, 2012
at 05:23 AM

Nothing wrong with not being keen on bacon! Me, I grew up Muslim, so pork is something I know nothing about (but would like to try). But whenever I smell it I feel funny because of the association that pig is bad and dirty.

I don't really get marrow. I don't know how to prepare it, that's probably why, but I'm still overcoming the ick factor. I get my marrow in my bone broth in liquified form, but I can only slurp out little bits that come attached to my lamb chops and even then I feel a bit queasy...

I also can't stomach heart or kidney, again because I grew up in a culture that is totally close-minded and somehow favours neat, packaged slabs of muscle meat completely removed from its origin. I know people get so grossed out when we talk about organ meats partly because it reminds them that meat actually came from a creature.

I think avocados are gross too. I tend to dislike most kinds of 'plant fat', unless it's coconut oil, and only when that's used to cook an animal product.

90f66d30d977b07694403b469b3f85c5

on March 30, 2012
at 05:35 AM

I LOVE BACON!!!

78cb3c4f70de5db2adb52b6b9671894b

(5519)

on March 30, 2012
at 05:29 AM

I also associate bacon with being "dirty". I think it's because it's a food I used to be so fearful of and I still haven't gotten over it. I'm fine and dandy and all with fats...but the entire crisp nature of bacon kind of freaks me out. I grew up in an opposite culture where we eat EVERYTHING...kidneys, livers, hearts, fish eyeball goo :), jellyfish, sea slugs, tripe, etc. etc. My mom once asked if it was illegal in America to eat duck eggs from a random nest at the park, to give you an idea of how I grew up. Thus, nothing much grosses me out in terms of parts of an animal.

C513f1dba19e01bbd7e0f4f12b243a97

(670)

on March 30, 2012
at 07:17 AM

That's awesome, Sunny! I envy you so much. I'm still trying to get over this irrational fear of the foods that have the potential to be the most nourishing. But most days it's easier just to go for the ground beef and lamb chops -_-

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(2923)

on April 02, 2012
at 07:37 AM

@Medis - learn to make your own sausage - sausages and salamis were the traditional way to store and use the leftover "nasty bits" after the steaks were long gone

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A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on March 30, 2012
at 06:20 PM

I don't understand the orange juice and carrots.

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on March 30, 2012
at 08:50 PM

that's not paleo per-se, that's a Ray Peat thing

A968087cc1dd66d480749c02e4619ef4

(20436)

on April 02, 2012
at 01:14 PM

(Does no one get my sarcasm?)

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B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on March 30, 2012
at 07:59 AM

Never understood bone broth. Gelatin works better for me, and you don't even have to prepare it.
Never understood bacon, until I looked at the nutritional value and was a bit amazed to see it's pretty nutritious.
Never understood the fatty fish craze. I react better to non-fatty fish.
Never understood the retinol toxicity fear and vitamin D craze.
Never understood the magnesium hype.
I wish I could also say "Never understood the fructose fear", but I feared fructose for a long time myself.

Edit : Never understood the berries-craze. What's up with that? For what reason are berries better than any other fruit??? They happen to cause issues for me in big amounts ,most likely due to the tiny seeds.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on March 30, 2012
at 10:47 PM

Senneth, did you try taking the fat off the top off of the broth when it has gone cold?

F1b39d4f620876330312f4925bd51900

(4090)

on March 30, 2012
at 08:29 PM

I hate bone broth too! Its like liquid oil. UGH!!

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on March 31, 2012
at 12:02 PM

I don't hate bone broth, it just doesn't really do anything. I thought it'd improve my skin, but it doesn't even work as well as pure gelatin. The taste is okay though, but when I leave the fat in it's extremely nasty :). Senneth, just a quick question : did you try eggshell calcium once? And also : where do you get your potassium from? Now that I don't eat spinach anymore, I have trouble getting enough calcium and potassium.

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1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

on June 22, 2012
at 12:11 AM

Low carb. bacon. kale.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 22, 2012
at 12:53 AM

Cool. I still think low carb sucks. Bacon is still high in omega 6. celery tastes better than kale in homemade onion dip. To each his/her own.

3327924660b1e2f8f8fc4ca27fedf2b2

(2919)

on June 22, 2012
at 12:42 AM

I get low carb. It's the best way to lose weight. Bacon is delicious. Kale is crunchy and has more texture and taste than pretty much any green leafy vegetable. It's also one of the few veggies sturdy enough to do stuff with it like dip it into homemade onion dip.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 22, 2012
at 12:52 AM

and in regard to "it's the best way to lose weight." I am sorry but the diet that you can adhere to is the one that will help you lose weight. Low carb diets have a very poor track record in this regard. It is a great short term strategy though, I'll grant you that.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 22, 2012
at 12:55 AM

Cool. I still think low carb sucks. Bacon is still high in omega 6. To me, celery tastes better than kale in onion dip. To each his/her own.

1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

(14952)

on June 22, 2012
at 12:50 AM

Cool. I still think low carb sucks. Bacon is still high in omega 6. celery tastes better than kale in homemade onion dip.

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2006ccb2b60f9cc5ba5e8eff8a7abc46

on June 21, 2012
at 11:09 PM

ridiculously analytically scientific explanations

for everything

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6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on April 02, 2012
at 09:15 AM

Paleo shakes....I seriously don't get it.

If you just had jaw surgery, fine, mix or blend away.

But for the rest of us, as a meal replacement...how hard is it for you to chew your food? Bodybuilders, if you can lift those bad ass weights, why can't you be bothered to chew a steak?

Sure a blender can do what your teeth do, but food should ideally be slowly mixed with saliva to start the digestive process for good nutrient uptake unless you are mixing salivary amylase into your beverage.

Seems like it might also lead to mindless munching and overconsumption outside of shake time, since shakes deprive the consumer of a "true" meal sensory experience.

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1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on March 30, 2012
at 06:05 AM

I react to coconut so EVCO is of the list....

2a00b9a42e4cb6e489a0e69d20714576

(3043)

on March 30, 2012
at 10:37 PM

Have you tried building up an immunity to it. People tend to try things, get sick and than write it off immediately. Coconut oil may not be natural in your old diet, try starting with a maximum of 1/4 of a teaspoon, maybe through cooking or plain and than work up. Also MCTs oil can be hidden in your water (made by Alpha).Its a perfect food, designed for brain health, especially for preventing/curing althemizers.

1a98a40ba8ffdc5aa28d1324d01c6c9f

(20378)

on March 30, 2012
at 11:31 PM

Thanks. I need to try those things.

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078f89f5194e97954801fd70d3037dd6

on March 30, 2012
at 06:03 AM

I don't understand the high fat eating. I can't figure out how its healthy. Also, trying to eat paleo is pretty expensive

0382fa263de4c83328dc34a56e25437f

(4238)

on March 30, 2012
at 01:20 PM

I actually spend less now on food than I used to, pre-Paleo. For myself, that is. My husband is still a SAD eater. But my cheap cuts of meat, four dollar steaks and two dollars worth of broccoli are still less expensive than his deli sandwiches and premade frozen pizzas.

7e1433afbb06c318c4d90860d493c49d

(5959)

on March 30, 2012
at 12:11 PM

I understand the high fat eating. Fuel calories have to come from somewhere, and if it's not carbohydrate, then it's fat. I have wonky carb metabolism, so I get 50-60% of my calories as fat.

78cb3c4f70de5db2adb52b6b9671894b

(5519)

on March 30, 2012
at 08:16 AM

I think higher fat eating makes sense if someone is low-carb because they use the fats to make up for the calories they're not getting from starches/sugars. But I have to admit that my stomach twitches when I read about people cooking their bacon with lots of butter with eggs, sandwiched in-between sausage, and drinking coconut milk on the side.

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(1213)

on March 30, 2012
at 04:46 PM

Heh. Can you figure out how it's NOT healthy? Just interested in the thought process. No offense meant.

B0fe7b5a9a197cd293978150cbd9055f

(8938)

on March 30, 2012
at 08:01 AM

I can understand it, especially if you didn't eat fat for a long time. Maybe it has something to do with fat-soluble vitamins, the ones we're all deficient in?

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(2338)

on March 30, 2012
at 02:22 PM

it's not that hard to figure out and if you spend any appreciable time around the paleosphere you'll find it makes a lot of sense

078f89f5194e97954801fd70d3037dd6

(78)

on April 01, 2012
at 06:09 AM

Some of it make sense. Plus it is new to me so I'm still learning. However I work in the medical field and see patients almost daily with problem from high fat diets. People with coronary artery disease, gall bladder issues, hypertension and so on. BTW, no offense taken at all.

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(10601)

on March 30, 2012
at 11:12 PM

The fat comes from Atkins, the godfather of modern paleo.

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(10601)

on March 31, 2012
at 04:59 PM

How would ancestral peoples have had access to as much fat as modern paleo dieting demands? Free ranging animals are lean. Once taken and dressed, their fat has to be rendered for storage, and this requires cooking techniques beyond an open fire, as well as pottery. Fat storage is a Neolithic development. Beyond narrow paleo scenarios of abundant seals and buffaloes, getting a good yield of fat from animals requires domesticating them.

It seems likely to me that paleos rarely ate high fat meals. None of the highly rewarding fats from butter, coconut oil, fish oil or bacon. More likely the occasional rancid greasy joint.

7e1433afbb06c318c4d90860d493c49d

(5959)

on March 31, 2012
at 05:35 PM

Free ranging animals in northern climates store fat for the winter. For example, venison is lean, but deer have thick layers of fat right underneath the skin. Trimmed muscle meats and low-fat ideology are the cultural norm of today, but I seriously doubt paleo man would have feasted on the lean muscle and discarded the layers of fat. There's evidence that early hominids scavenged animal carcasses to break open bones to get at the fatty marrow, so if anything, it is paleo to seek out fat rather than shun it.

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(10601)

on March 31, 2012
at 07:30 PM

Seek it out yes for sure, and feast on it when available, but I doubt that this happened at every meal. From my current reading on Neolithic Turkey, fat was coming from domestic sheep and goats. Wear patterns on teeth suggest that much of the food was eaten raw even though there were ovens. Cattle were wild and were available from time to time but not a major part of the diet.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on April 02, 2012
at 08:59 AM

Grubs are pretty fatty too, we just don't go for bugs as much these days.

6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on April 02, 2012
at 08:58 AM

I thought we were well hooked up on the animal fat front until we hunted the really large beasties to extinction. Wonder if lack of mammoth drove people into the sea to hunt whales?

3327924660b1e2f8f8fc4ca27fedf2b2

(2919)

on June 22, 2012
at 12:42 AM

I wish I could buy some grubs in Whole Foods

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