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Too little paleo, and way too many hacks. Why?

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created February 18, 2011 at 7:42 PM

It amazes me how both obsessive and ignorant people can be. Educate yourself, please! Go out and read Robb Wolf's book, look for Loren Cordain, Gary Taubes, Mark Sisson online.. read WHY you are doing this.. not WHAT you should do.

So many people are on here looking for instructions on how to BE paleo when you should learn the science behind it and then you can choose for yourself. Otherwise, you're no better off than following the food pyramid.

Free your mind. Learn to choose for yourself. There, I said it. =)

Also, I obviously haven't read this forum at all and assume that you guys haven't read those books and have totally ignored the fact that many of you are talking about why. I'm just a troll. Here is a video of my cat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moyUDsBzWIA

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on February 20, 2011
at 12:36 AM

Agree with ending the snobbery.Nobody knows everything,nothing works for everyone, and God knows,we all fall off the horse at some point.One of the reasons paleo works is it IS adjustable to specific needs,unlike say, vegan, or raw food living.

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on February 19, 2011
at 10:25 PM

@A.J. - Those people, who want someone to tell them what to do, will always exist. If that's a given, would you rather do good by helping them improve their lives with your expertise, or leave them behind to sickness and unhappiness?

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on February 19, 2011
at 10:13 PM

"Oh Lord it's hard to be humble, when you're perfect in every way."

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on February 19, 2011
at 12:04 PM

@Melissa: It's also easy to debase the science one thinks they know. For example, find proof that AGE's cause or exacerbate X- not clinical studies showing a correlation. Our scientific knowledge is still evolving.

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on February 19, 2011
at 12:02 PM

@Melissa: For those who don't understand enough of the science, heuristics and anecdotes are useful. Because no comprehensive knowledge of metabolism exists, one inevitably winds up piecing together basic science studies of questionable application to real life in the worst sort of meta-analysis.

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on February 19, 2011
at 11:18 AM

100% agreed. A+

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on February 19, 2011
at 11:16 AM

So, those people end up doing just what they are said to do by the "paleo-establishment"... As most of us just did before with the medical/agroalimentary one...

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on February 19, 2011
at 04:38 AM

+1 for making a good point that we should free our minds to embrace our own lifestyles. -1 for saying it so harshly, geez. Life is learning, learning is asking questions to find answers. You break even by my math though.

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on February 19, 2011
at 01:29 AM

@canibal, I hope the humans you eat are at least free-range.

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on February 19, 2011
at 12:39 AM

What's the criterion for deletion vs. closing? Just curious. :)

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on February 19, 2011
at 12:35 AM

should I delete?

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on February 19, 2011
at 12:04 AM

I don't disagree - that would be nice. :) Stephen-Aegis is often helpful in linking answers to previous questions in his answers, I have noticed.

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on February 18, 2011
at 11:59 PM

Didn't really have to worry considering what was available.

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on February 18, 2011
at 11:46 PM

I agree Helen, although saying it the way YOU just said it would have been a lot more productive.

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on February 18, 2011
at 11:44 PM

I agree with Elizabeth. Not everone has the temperment that means reading 5 diet/healht books, reading tons of research, etc. Perhaps those people spend their time doing other very important functions of society. The whole idea behind experts is that no everyone has time to spend 200 hours or more learning each subject. Instead, just a few people do it and the others get the shorter version. Of course, this only works if the experts actually know what they are talking about..

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on February 18, 2011
at 11:28 PM

I only wish more people would search to see if their question had already been answered previously...if not, ask away!

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on February 18, 2011
at 11:19 PM

This question reeks of a staggering amount of privilege.

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on February 18, 2011
at 08:56 PM

Why getting so bent out of shape? Look at how people eat and the bazillions of diets that have very specific instructions (Paleo does too you know, ie. eat this, not that.) I don't see anything wrong with people asking questions, but yes would be good if they also got the "big picture" before or during.

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on February 18, 2011
at 08:47 PM

But I think people start paleo sometimes, like any diet, *because* they assume someone has already done the research for them, and that's why it's recommended. And so they are looking for additional "yes/no" answers. You are not in that audience, I understand. But many folks don't have the interest/inclination to read all the science, and that should be okay too.

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on February 18, 2011
at 08:45 PM

i agree with your restatement, but those questions are often asked by newbies who are trying to learn and trying to understand. their questions should be answered within the frame of your above statement, and those people should not be made to feel unwelcome in the community. as the original poster did, IMHO.

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on February 18, 2011
at 08:13 PM

I absolutely agree! I get tired of some of these questions and the direction they lead.

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on February 18, 2011
at 07:54 PM

-1 for not asking a question, and for childish name-calling. there, i said it.

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on February 18, 2011
at 07:59 PM

A bit ham-handed in its delivery, but the fellow makes a good point. There are a lot of "am I allowed to..." and "is this paleo?" sort of questions that make it sound more like a religion than a rational health strategy. A lot of people seem to miss the forest for the trees and begin to attempt to be as paleo as possible rather than as healthy as possible.

The whole "paleo" part of it is just a compass bearing to get you going in the right direction, not an endpoint itself.

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on February 18, 2011
at 11:44 PM

I agree with Elizabeth. Not everone has the temperment that means reading 5 diet/healht books, reading tons of research, etc. Perhaps those people spend their time doing other very important functions of society. The whole idea behind experts is that no everyone has time to spend 200 hours or more learning each subject. Instead, just a few people do it and the others get the shorter version. Of course, this only works if the experts actually know what they are talking about..

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on February 18, 2011
at 08:13 PM

I absolutely agree! I get tired of some of these questions and the direction they lead.

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on February 19, 2011
at 11:16 AM

So, those people end up doing just what they are said to do by the "paleo-establishment"... As most of us just did before with the medical/agroalimentary one...

0bcefaa82dc94f93ce705f86e235f335

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on February 18, 2011
at 08:47 PM

But I think people start paleo sometimes, like any diet, *because* they assume someone has already done the research for them, and that's why it's recommended. And so they are looking for additional "yes/no" answers. You are not in that audience, I understand. But many folks don't have the interest/inclination to read all the science, and that should be okay too.

Aead76beb5fc7b762a6b4ddc234f6051

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on February 18, 2011
at 08:45 PM

i agree with your restatement, but those questions are often asked by newbies who are trying to learn and trying to understand. their questions should be answered within the frame of your above statement, and those people should not be made to feel unwelcome in the community. as the original poster did, IMHO.

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on February 19, 2011
at 10:25 PM

@A.J. - Those people, who want someone to tell them what to do, will always exist. If that's a given, would you rather do good by helping them improve their lives with your expertise, or leave them behind to sickness and unhappiness?

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on February 18, 2011
at 08:09 PM

Asking questions leads to more understanding, and then further research. That's how it started with me.

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on February 20, 2011
at 12:27 AM

I've read the science, watched the lectures, listened to every podcast, interrogated local farmers, hired a strength coach, challenged and educated my doctor, argued with my friends, hurt my Mom's feelings, and freed my mind (well...sort of jimmied it free with the help of bacon grease), but I'm struggling a bit with the intention of your post.

Don't just free your mind...free yourself. Free your inner hunter-gatherer-lover-troll from spending your precious life energy reading things you don't like, hanging out with people you think are ignorant, and telling us all why we're wasting your time. You must have more videos of your cat to edit...

I like this place and the dialogue that happens here. I may ask redundant and obvious questions, but I appreciate the willingness of my fellow hackers to deepen my understanding of this new and sometimes confusing way of life.

Plus...ending a verbal attack with a smiley-face emoticon is sooo neolithic.

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on February 18, 2011
at 09:05 PM

What I take to be the spirit of this question runs something like this: "Learn the food science because no one, absolutely no one, knows your body better than you do. Learn the food science so that you don't have to be dependent on anyone." and I couldn't agree more. I have an deep aversion to seeing paleo become just another belief system, too, or to seeing people going around with a "more-paleo-than-thou" attitude...paleo snobbery, if you will. Having said that, I also think that there are many people of all ages and backgrounds who are still working on becoming self-determining, so it is just possible that by coming to this board and seeing evidence of what self-determination can do for people, they might become more self-determined themselves, hopefully eschewing the impulse to turn paleo into an ersatz religion while they are at it.

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on February 19, 2011
at 11:18 AM

100% agreed. A+

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on February 18, 2011
at 11:46 PM

I agree Helen, although saying it the way YOU just said it would have been a lot more productive.

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on February 20, 2011
at 12:36 AM

Agree with ending the snobbery.Nobody knows everything,nothing works for everyone, and God knows,we all fall off the horse at some point.One of the reasons paleo works is it IS adjustable to specific needs,unlike say, vegan, or raw food living.

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on February 18, 2011
at 10:49 PM

I don't really care what people do with their diets or what questions they ask. When I'm not interested I skip on to the next one.

I See the point that you would prefer people think for themselves but I disagree with the Food Pyramid point. Some people have a more intuitive, less scientific inclination toward learning. Me, I learn by listening to my body, and anecdata from others makes pie charts and graphs more tolerable for me. Following a paleo diet without understanding every nuance of the science surely leaves me healthier than following the food pyramid.

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on February 19, 2011
at 03:01 AM

I think you're a little confused about what it means to think for yourself. It does not mean you just sit in your little bubble and think everything up yourself. You are allowed to consider other people's points of view as you are making your own choices. It's not like any of us are twisting anyone's arm making them decide one way or the other.

Part of being Paleo is understanding who and what we are as a species, as much as possible. We are a social animal. Furthermore, we're a social animal that relies on transmitted culture as much as or more than inherited instinct. That means we ask questions when we don't understand something, and we listen to people's answers. If you don't get that, anything you might learn about the scientific side of Paleo eating is only going to take you so far.

And for the record I see no difference between looking up something on Google and coming to a site like this and asking a question. If you don't know what you're looking for you could wind up hopelessly lost. At least if you come here and ask, people who already have an idea what you're looking for based on your question can refer you to good books and websites so you don't waste the next five hours of your life reading crap.

Speaking of crap, and speaking of Cordain, if any newbies are reading this, ignore everything he says about fat intake. Lowfat Paleo, indeed.

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on February 18, 2011
at 08:44 PM

Many on this board are very science-oriented, and have the education (including critical-thinking skills) and inclination to study and read all the evidence available. However, this does not apply to everyone, including the less well educated, the learning-disabled, those who have been under-served by society in gaining life skills, those who do not speak English as a first language, etc. Do those persons deserve to be left behind, in the dust, because they may not have the skills or experience to be able to break down all the evidence themselves?

I understand the frustration with those who are perhaps lazy, or who don't have a grasp of the basics. But perhaps it's more worthwhile to assume the best of people who are trying to do the right thing, and not be a jerk about those who know less. At the very least, you can always choose to ignore those who annoy you with their ignorance. Public calling-out seems mean-spirited.

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on February 19, 2011
at 12:04 AM

I don't disagree - that would be nice. :) Stephen-Aegis is often helpful in linking answers to previous questions in his answers, I have noticed.

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on February 18, 2011
at 11:28 PM

I only wish more people would search to see if their question had already been answered previously...if not, ask away!

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on February 19, 2011
at 10:10 PM

I've read all of the books you mentioned. I have learned about the current science and continue to learn, here and elsewhere. There's always something new to consider. I would venture that this population consists of highly independent thinkers who don't believe everything they read and take the time to investigate, form opinions, and find what works best for them as individuals.

To me, this forum is about building a community where we can discuss what troubles folks and what they're curious about. It's also a place to share triumphs. It certainly isn't a place for high-handedness and self-purported perspicacity.

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on February 19, 2011
at 01:43 AM

I agree but it is the nature of the interent to ask questions on forums instead of digging for the answer first. No law requiring someone to answer them all.

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on February 18, 2011
at 09:30 PM

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on February 18, 2011
at 08:52 PM

I agree totally but I see the same with fitness questions also people need to stop bein so anal I seriously doubt a caveman was worried about eating a food too high in Omega 6 if your hungry eat

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on February 18, 2011
at 11:59 PM

Didn't really have to worry considering what was available.

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