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So do you believe low carb paleo is necessary?

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Created January 09, 2013 at 7:48 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvVwou-Hl6s

I watched this video, and it made sense to me why low carb paleo isn't the answer. I think it made me understand "paleo" a bit more.

So what do you think about low carb paleo? Is it really necessary?

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on January 11, 2013
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I'm autoimmune paleo- so I eat beef and veggies. Occasionally I'll cheat and eat a pear.

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This is going to sound stupid... If you aren't eating carbs or protein are you fasting with coconut oil or something?

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on January 10, 2013
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Ditto here. About the only time I can do carbs without gaining fat is after workouts, or after a fast (alternate day, or intermittent). Even then, I have to be careful to not over do it.

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Surely even "high-carb" paleo is still pretty "low carb" compared to the bagel-sandwich-pasta crowd?

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low carb helped me loose weight, adding carbs back helped muscle up.

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Ha! Yes, Definitely seen better. But I was searching through videos of crossfit recommendations.

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lol .

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on January 09, 2013
at 08:59 PM

Maybe it's just that he's really passionate about his subject?

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at 08:59 PM

Me too. For the same reasons. Low-carb is great for the metabolically deranged.

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http://robbwolf.com/2013/01/09/thoughts-carb-paleo-episode-3-hope

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96440612cf0fcf366bf5ad8f776fca84

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on January 10, 2013
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Yes, well, if you're doing crossfit, you'll certainly need the carbs to get through those workouts. You could try them without, but you'll "bonk out".

Some folks, myself included, don't do very well on carbs. I certainly feel energetic for a short while, but then I get ravenous, and start to gain fat very quickly. A higher fat, low carb diet works better for me.

If I'm doing intermittent fasting (I normally do this 3-4x a week), or alternate day fasting (doing this now for two weeks or so), it's ok to eat carbs without problems, or after a large fasted weight training workout (i.e. carb backloading).

But otherwise, if I'm eating 3 meals a day, and not doing any workout/fast, eating carbs is a problem for me. I find it's less of a problem recently than when I first started, so perhaps I had an issue with insulin resistance that's going away.

Insulin has a lot of control over body composition, which is why some folks who do better with carbs and find they lose muscle without it, ditto for folks like me who quickly gain fat. Insulin is triggered by both carbs and protein (though to a lesser extent by protein) and signals both muscle and fat cells to absorb macronutrients from food.

In fat tissue, glucose/glycogen gets converted to fat, in muscle protein gets absorbed more rapidly and can be used for repairs. This is why it's recommended to eat lower fat, high carb/protein after work outs.

However, if you don't have periods of zero carbs/protein intake, you never get to autophagy, so you never get to clean out the broken proteins and other dead junk inside your cells. Autophagy also allows the immune system to more aggressively go after viruses/bacteria.

Further, either high salt low carb, or high carb low salt diets tend to make you carry more water, so it sort of gives the illusion that eating low carb will lean you out, or make you lose muscle, when it's really water weight. (If you do low carb, you should eat some salt as the water is needed.)

Normally, I tend to do IF's 3-4x a week, though for these two weeks, I'm doing alternate day fasting instead, as I've read it's good to do that once a year to prevent any possible cancerous cells from proliferating. Plus it seems to be helping lean me out and it doesn't seem I'm losing very much muscle mass, though I do notice I can't quite do as many reps as before. I'm using the bulletproof rapid fat loss protocol here, but in an alt. day form. (so bulletproof coffee with BCAA, L-Glutamine, then lots of water, and activated charcoal away from vitamins, etc.)

When I work out, I work out late morning on Saturdays, and I work out fasted. It's just weights - but I do everything at one time (legs, arms, back, shoulders, abs, etc.)

I then wait about an hour before the first post work out meal (for both autphagy as well as insulin resistance reset), and in this meal I have some meat and a whole sweet potato. If I don't consume some carbs here, I feel like a zombie afterwards. L-Glutamine post workout helps with recovery too. I find while I do get a bit sore and stiff, it's not very bad, and I don't lose any muscle by only working out once a week.

But, I'm not doing crossfit, so I don't need the carbs for the workout. If you are, you probably do need them to get through the workout. I don't know which is better, but certainly if you have insulin issues, avoiding carbs is probably a better idea until you resolve that.

I have tried working out after eating a high carb meal (coconut flour pancakes with maple syrup) and I can do a lot more sets, but if I don't work out quickly, I get a sugar crash, and because I did a lot more sets/reps, I'm sore for a lot longer and takes longer to recover.

The actual meals tend to be high fat, lots of bulletproof coffee, salads with guacamole, olive oil, bacon, grassfed bison, cod livers, lamb, wild salmon, leafy greens (either those mixed organic salad greens, or kale, or spinach), sometimes cauliflower, broccoli, a bit of onion, carrots, kraut, etc.

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on January 11, 2013
at 06:30 PM

I'm autoimmune paleo- so I eat beef and veggies. Occasionally I'll cheat and eat a pear.

7dab2d8c97e44d8d0c298e5c9d5d75bc

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on January 11, 2013
at 06:29 PM

This is going to sound stupid... If you aren't eating carbs or protein are you fasting with coconut oil or something?

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on January 09, 2013
at 07:51 PM

Necessary, no of course not

Beneficial to some, sure

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on January 09, 2013
at 08:43 PM

It is absolutely necessary for my health. I thrive on low-carb and anything but will harm me. Others thrive on higher-carb with no ill effects. Low-carb might not be the answer FOR YOU, but it works for some of us.

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on January 09, 2013
at 08:59 PM

Me too. For the same reasons. Low-carb is great for the metabolically deranged.

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on January 10, 2013
at 11:29 AM

Ditto here. About the only time I can do carbs without gaining fat is after workouts, or after a fast (alternate day, or intermittent). Even then, I have to be careful to not over do it.

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on January 09, 2013
at 11:41 PM

Not for me.

I thrive on potatoes. I lose all my muscle when I try to go VLC. I think the most important take aways from paleo are 1) eat unprocessed foods, 2) no wheat, no vegetable oils 3) watch the dairy, corn, legumes, fruit, oats, nuts, rice etc. 4) and eat plenty of healthy fats and proteins. If you're following these rules and eating moderate or even high carbs you're still better off than 99% of the population. (but it's pretty hard to be high carb when following these rules)

I was amazed at how fast my muscle glycogen responded after introducing potatoes post VLC.

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on January 09, 2013
at 08:53 PM

I don't believe in low-carb for healthy people. I don't believe in high processed carbs either - they will do more harm to your body that anything else possible.

I believe in healthy carbs - vegetables and fruit, organic and in season.

Of course, there are some medical conditions when low carb is necessary. I am low-carbing right now at this very moment. But if those conditions can be treated successfully - there is no reason to stay low-carb for the rest of your life.

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on January 09, 2013
at 08:59 PM

lol .

7dab2d8c97e44d8d0c298e5c9d5d75bc

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on January 09, 2013
at 09:00 PM

Ha! Yes, Definitely seen better. But I was searching through videos of crossfit recommendations.

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on January 09, 2013
at 08:59 PM

Maybe it's just that he's really passionate about his subject?

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on January 10, 2013
at 01:51 PM

If you are among the many millions of Americans suffering from digestive complaints, a leaky gut and/or autoimmune diseases then one must be extra careful in choosing carbohydrates that are not damaging. This is where the Specific Carbohydrate Diet (SCD) comes in. SCD is just a mild Paleo variant where all starchy veggies, as well as grains, are prohibited. Fruit becomes the primary carbohydrate source. Because fructose is absorbed so quickly one needs to be fairly restrained when eating fruits, and especially if drinking fruit juice, or an unpleasant "sugar rush" will result.

For myself, going potato/rice free for the past year has done wonders for my IBS and psoriasis. I do best when I make the effort to hold down carbohydrates (fruits) but I am nowhere near VLC.

_Lazza

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lol .

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