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Sh*t Nutritionists say

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Created July 09, 2012 at 2:19 AM

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"Lizzie LeFevre, a dietitian with St. Luke???s Magic Valley Medical Center in Twin Falls, said there???s something to be said for eating natural foods. But she worries that the Paleo diet leaves out some good foods."

"Kathryn Guylay, who teaches nutrition classes in the Wood River Valley, concurred: ???It works for some people ??? a lot of people lose weight on it. But it???s an expensive diet with all the fresh fruits and vegetables and meats they eat.???"

That last one is a killer!

http://magicvalley.com/news/local/paleo-diet-claims-sizeable-following/article_f78f0468-775c-50bf-9281-302369d32401.html

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on July 11, 2012
at 01:21 PM

Haha! I wonder if she's ever told a vegetarian, "Well, vegetarian plus beef and pork is okay." =)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 11, 2012
at 10:37 AM

Oh, and as regards that pithy quote of his you referenced, do you actually believe that's a Kruse original? I can't prove it, but I seem to recall Dr. Kurt Harris saying something VERY similar. (Dr. Harris = a TRUE giant & smartest man in paleo.)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 11, 2012
at 10:32 AM

Ah, perhaps... But don't you ever wonder what became of his "investigation"/the supposed Facebook hacking/the phony photos/etc.? Aren't you the least bit, I don't know, curious?

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on July 10, 2012
at 06:31 PM

That was my response to the above quoted nutritionist, Kathryn Guylay, who said the fresh fruits, vegetables, and meats made Paleo an "expensive diet."

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on July 10, 2012
at 03:27 PM

Crisco is solid at room temperature too. My favorite solid veg fat is Master Chef hydrogenated soy (which is added to fryer fat to make the french fries sparkly-looking) which has a melt point of about 160F.

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on July 10, 2012
at 03:24 PM

That one is pretty silly advice. In contrast my non-paleo doctor asked me "What did you do to junk up your diet?", and it was clear that it was eating frosted mini wheats.

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on July 10, 2012
at 03:04 PM

What part of this did a nutritionist say? I've never heard one recommending cake over fresh organic food. Betty Crocker left the nutrition field years ago.

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on July 10, 2012
at 02:58 PM

Your advice is a perfect example of sh*t paleo nutritionists say. Going against conventional wisdom only makes sense if the conventional wisdom is false. Being confrontational over the word "preferential" is a p*ssing match.

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on July 10, 2012
at 02:19 PM

Maybe the good doctor is living his life. Maybe he is tired of the drama queens that try to stir things up when nobody really cares. To quote him "I'm not trying to save the world, as I find it generally does not want saving."

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on July 10, 2012
at 08:23 AM

Love the 'cauliflower and bread' rebuttal - must remember that one!

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 10, 2012
at 01:59 AM

You guys are all (well, most of you) being SUBJECTIVE and ARGUMENTATIVE! Let's hope Melissa's not looking.

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on July 09, 2012
at 05:28 PM

It amazes me how nutritionists and dieticians can all take biochemistry classes and yet come out of them with completely different ideas on how human metabolism and physiology work -- *especially* regarding fats. My classmates do NOT make the connection between polyunsaturates being easily oxidized, rancid, etc., and then continuing to cook in soybean oil and remain terrified of butter and lard. It's a jungle out there. It blows my mind how we can all look at the same science yet interpret it differently. I mean, we're not talking religion or philosophy, but biochemical FACTS.

4ec0fe4b4aab327f7efa2dfb06b032ff

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on July 09, 2012
at 05:23 PM

Or celery! .

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on July 09, 2012
at 04:36 PM

"Sh*t (fill-in-the-blank) Says" is a lot older than the thread you are referring to. What is your problem?

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on July 09, 2012
at 04:12 PM

If you need an "official" celiac diagnosis, you have to be eating gluten before getting the test. Otherwise, get rid of it if it makes you feel better :)

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on July 09, 2012
at 03:57 PM

That was my thought, too.

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

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on July 09, 2012
at 03:27 PM

Yep. I've heard the phrase: "Pay the farmer now or pay the doctor later."

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on July 09, 2012
at 03:04 PM

No. Your consuming a lot less fat on paleo than what is being consumed eating oreos and McDonalds.

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on July 09, 2012
at 02:41 PM

Is there really truth to the idea that it's more expensive to eat fresh food? I guess if you're comparing it to a box of cereal, yes. But, I think for many people the big comparison is to fast food and for what fast food costs, I'd think you can do pretty well shopping at a supermarket.

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on July 09, 2012
at 01:57 PM

Eating lots of grains DOES keep your blood sugar levels stable - it's always high. ;)

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on July 09, 2012
at 01:57 PM

Yeah Kimmie, I pointed this out to someone who was giving me the body wants carbs argument. He just looked at me like I was an idiot. The feeling was mutual.

4ec0fe4b4aab327f7efa2dfb06b032ff

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on July 09, 2012
at 01:55 PM

Not to even give this argument any legitimacy, but your body isn't at room temperature anyway.

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on July 09, 2012
at 12:01 PM

Actually,the body burns alcohol preferentially over even carbs. So by this logic, shouldn't you be basing your diet around beer and tequila? The burned preferentially argument is silly.

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on July 09, 2012
at 11:59 AM

Has anyone seen or read anything of Doc Harris anywhere? If it weren't for him I wouldn't be here in my slim and healthy body. I would be Old and Fat. Being old is not for sissies and I owe him a lot.

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on July 09, 2012
at 11:46 AM

Over-doing it is possible in every scenario, regardless of what you eat or lifestyle you subscribe to. I consume less fat now than I ever did before and have the added benefit of none of the fats being crap oils or from CAFO beef.

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on July 09, 2012
at 10:45 AM

Why you so bitter?

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on July 09, 2012
at 10:21 AM

There's many more knowledgeable and insightful people here than me, but I'd say no, in general it is very hard to go overboard eating saturated fats from fresh, whole foods like grass-fed beef. Many of the experiments that have slated saturated fats have been badly executed or just plain dumb. The movie "Fat Head" is a good place to start: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgBLQIJEcbE

A08b210e4da7e69cd792bddc1f4aae4b

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on July 09, 2012
at 10:12 AM

No stop me, stop me! Too late, "it goes against the advice of legions of nutrition experts who say high-fiber, low-fat beans and whole grains should be part of a healthful diet." http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2012/06/02/154166626/the-paleo-diet-moves-from-the-gym-to-the-doctors-office Like shooting fish in a barrel. Sorry, I'll stop for real now.

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on July 09, 2012
at 10:06 AM

I get blank stares at the nursing home when I ask why we keep giving diabetic residents carbohydrates like potatoes and pasta :( It's based on portion size :sigh:

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on July 09, 2012
at 07:56 AM

she might not have been that much off the mark: feed the body carbs, and the carbs it will burn preferentially - indeed; however, the best argument FOR the 'fat-as-a-preferred' fuel position is the sheer fact that it us the form body preferentially stores unused energy into...

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on July 09, 2012
at 05:40 AM

I'm incredibly curious as to what "good foods" she thinks are left out and is worried about. Good grief.

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on July 09, 2012
at 05:36 AM

As a nutrition student, I could write a book.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 09, 2012
at 04:35 AM

You are one of the untainted then. Go with God, my child.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on July 09, 2012
at 04:30 AM

I have no idea what you are talking about.

4ec0fe4b4aab327f7efa2dfb06b032ff

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on July 09, 2012
at 03:57 AM

The sample eating plan had the drug manufacturer's logo prominently displayed at the top, of course. What a scam.

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on July 09, 2012
at 03:54 AM

You see, if you eat grains throughout the day, that keeps your blood sugar at a constant high level, which you can then lower with medication. I kid you not, this is the reasoning.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on July 09, 2012
at 03:32 AM

I know, right?!?! It kills me to know I am paying to be fed HFCS and that crap. You are so right - the grocery store shelf price is not an indication of the true price, by any means.

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on July 09, 2012
at 03:06 AM

You're fine I got you; especially because I laughed at freaking Fiber One.

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on July 09, 2012
at 03:00 AM

And how cheap would a box of corn flakes or a loaf of wheat bread be if we killed the subsidies? They're *not* cheap -- we all pay with our tax dollars, whether we eat those foods or not. Grrr.

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at 02:58 AM

(Not that human beings are cows and have the same digestion...just pointing out that fiber from grains is clearly not required for excretion.

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on July 09, 2012
at 02:58 AM

For lack of a more intelligent response: wat

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

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on July 09, 2012
at 02:57 AM

The fiber thing always gets me. Anyone who's been to a farm knows cows make *plenty* of poop without freaking Fiber One cereal and whole wheat bread.

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on July 09, 2012
at 02:50 AM

That last one is a killer! I mean isn't that what should be first on any list of food!? Furthermore paleo or not that is what my grandparents and great grandparents ate (add eggs to the list)... its not some weird and foreign thing, or shouldn't be. Idiots

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on July 09, 2012
at 02:40 AM

I hate to think how much grain they'd tell her to eat if she *didn't* have to watch her blood sugar...

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

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on July 09, 2012
at 02:39 AM

Holy cr@p. It's expensive to eat fresh fruits, vegetables, and meats? I guess we're all better off sticking with boxed processed crap that has a shelf life of 87 years. I'm getting my MS in nutrition and people like this give me a bad name.

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on July 09, 2012
at 02:22 AM

It is an expensive diet. Am I missing something?

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4ec0fe4b4aab327f7efa2dfb06b032ff

(5145)

on July 09, 2012
at 02:26 AM

"You need to keep your blood sugar under control. Make sure to eat 8-10 servings of bread and grains throughout the day."

Actual advice given to my diabetic mother.

E95216c62a14d21c371fcbf2fed8469b

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on July 09, 2012
at 10:06 AM

I get blank stares at the nursing home when I ask why we keep giving diabetic residents carbohydrates like potatoes and pasta :( It's based on portion size :sigh:

0a9ad4e577fe24a6b8aafa1dd7a50c79

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on July 09, 2012
at 01:57 PM

Eating lots of grains DOES keep your blood sugar levels stable - it's always high. ;)

4ec0fe4b4aab327f7efa2dfb06b032ff

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on July 09, 2012
at 03:57 AM

The sample eating plan had the drug manufacturer's logo prominently displayed at the top, of course. What a scam.

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on July 09, 2012
at 02:40 AM

I hate to think how much grain they'd tell her to eat if she *didn't* have to watch her blood sugar...

276a5e631b62f8e0793987c0496364bb

(1644)

on July 09, 2012
at 02:58 AM

For lack of a more intelligent response: wat

4ec0fe4b4aab327f7efa2dfb06b032ff

(5145)

on July 09, 2012
at 03:54 AM

You see, if you eat grains throughout the day, that keeps your blood sugar at a constant high level, which you can then lower with medication. I kid you not, this is the reasoning.

Medium avatar

(10601)

on July 10, 2012
at 03:24 PM

That one is pretty silly advice. In contrast my non-paleo doctor asked me "What did you do to junk up your diet?", and it was clear that it was eating frosted mini wheats.

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on July 09, 2012
at 11:47 AM

"Butter and animal fats are bad for you because they are solid at room temperatures. They clog your arteries."

Cauliflower and bread are also solid at room temperatures.... what a stupid argument I heard many of my dietitian colleagues use!!!

Another one: "You shouldn't go on a gluten-free diet before being tested for celiac disease. Stop your gluten-free diet now, eat plenty of gluten everyday for the next 2 months and we'll test you. If you don't have celiac disease, you won't have to stay on a gluten-free diet."

If someone feels better with gluten, let them eat a gluten-free diet. An elimination diet still is the gold-standard for diagnosing food intolerances.

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

(8014)

on July 09, 2012
at 05:28 PM

It amazes me how nutritionists and dieticians can all take biochemistry classes and yet come out of them with completely different ideas on how human metabolism and physiology work -- *especially* regarding fats. My classmates do NOT make the connection between polyunsaturates being easily oxidized, rancid, etc., and then continuing to cook in soybean oil and remain terrified of butter and lard. It's a jungle out there. It blows my mind how we can all look at the same science yet interpret it differently. I mean, we're not talking religion or philosophy, but biochemical FACTS.

4ec0fe4b4aab327f7efa2dfb06b032ff

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on July 09, 2012
at 01:55 PM

Not to even give this argument any legitimacy, but your body isn't at room temperature anyway.

4b5be253ac1981c690689cab7e4bf06d

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on July 09, 2012
at 04:12 PM

If you need an "official" celiac diagnosis, you have to be eating gluten before getting the test. Otherwise, get rid of it if it makes you feel better :)

C0237fd9e277fcef496d538beda1f35b

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on July 09, 2012
at 03:57 PM

That was my thought, too.

E246df7366ba4b48f75b53378ed33282

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on July 10, 2012
at 08:23 AM

Love the 'cauliflower and bread' rebuttal - must remember that one!

Medium avatar

(10601)

on July 10, 2012
at 03:27 PM

Crisco is solid at room temperature too. My favorite solid veg fat is Master Chef hydrogenated soy (which is added to fryer fat to make the french fries sparkly-looking) which has a melt point of about 160F.

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E95216c62a14d21c371fcbf2fed8469b

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on July 09, 2012
at 10:00 AM

Pay now or pay later I say (with respect to "expensive" food). Nursing homes aren't cheap.

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

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on July 09, 2012
at 03:27 PM

Yep. I've heard the phrase: "Pay the farmer now or pay the doctor later."

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on July 09, 2012
at 04:15 AM

The nutritionist at work (corporate wellness program) told me that the body burns carbohydrates preferentially. I told her that she was mistaken and that fat and ketones were prefered. She insisted I was wrong. It ended up this big scene in from of a few co-workers in which I asked her to read a biochemistry textbook and get back to me. She never did.

4ec0fe4b4aab327f7efa2dfb06b032ff

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on July 09, 2012
at 01:57 PM

Yeah Kimmie, I pointed this out to someone who was giving me the body wants carbs argument. He just looked at me like I was an idiot. The feeling was mutual.

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on July 09, 2012
at 07:56 AM

she might not have been that much off the mark: feed the body carbs, and the carbs it will burn preferentially - indeed; however, the best argument FOR the 'fat-as-a-preferred' fuel position is the sheer fact that it us the form body preferentially stores unused energy into...

0242b468fe1c97997749db416c92e7ed

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on July 09, 2012
at 12:01 PM

Actually,the body burns alcohol preferentially over even carbs. So by this logic, shouldn't you be basing your diet around beer and tequila? The burned preferentially argument is silly.

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on July 10, 2012
at 02:58 PM

Your advice is a perfect example of sh*t paleo nutritionists say. Going against conventional wisdom only makes sense if the conventional wisdom is false. Being confrontational over the word "preferential" is a p*ssing match.

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on July 09, 2012
at 05:30 AM

I had one tell me (years ago after being diagnosed with an allergy) I should really eat a lot of fresh berries, full of amazing antioxidants! But, they told me this in November. And, when I stated that they weren't in season, she asked if I wanted her help or not. Help yes, her's no.

Ha. While trying to get my nutritionist visit covered by my insurance company, my doctor called and talked to a bunch of people to try and figure out the gray areas that might get it covered... Weight loss, ohhh no that's not covered at all. But what is? Obesity prevention! Um, so since I am a bit overweight we can bill it as obesity prevention but not weight loss guidance. Deal. WTF?

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on July 09, 2012
at 02:42 AM

"You're not getting nearly enough fiber and you need fiber because everyone knows you can't poop without fiber."

"You need to watch your cholesterol. Yay for statins!"

"Everything is fine in moderation." (While eating a box of Oreos)

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on July 09, 2012
at 02:57 AM

The fiber thing always gets me. Anyone who's been to a farm knows cows make *plenty* of poop without freaking Fiber One cereal and whole wheat bread.

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on July 09, 2012
at 03:06 AM

You're fine I got you; especially because I laughed at freaking Fiber One.

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

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on July 09, 2012
at 02:58 AM

(Not that human beings are cows and have the same digestion...just pointing out that fiber from grains is clearly not required for excretion.

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on July 09, 2012
at 10:10 AM

SAD is a religion for many people. (a belief system dogmatically held in absence of supporting information and often despite available evidence.) Yet, have you ever questioned persons most closely held beliefs? Very little good ever comes from it.

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on July 09, 2012
at 02:49 AM

Ugh. Are fresh, organic vegetables, fruits, and meats more expensive than their inferior, chemical ridden, corn filled alternatives? Yes. But once you cut out the fancy whole wheat bread, boxed rice mixes, cakes, canned soups and sugary cereals, you can come out ahead, if not even.

And that's not counting the potential medical bills from the diseases that can be caused or aggravated by eating crap.

What kind of price tag do they put on their health and welfare? And their children's, for those that have them?

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on July 09, 2012
at 03:32 AM

I know, right?!?! It kills me to know I am paying to be fed HFCS and that crap. You are so right - the grocery store shelf price is not an indication of the true price, by any means.

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

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on July 09, 2012
at 03:00 AM

And how cheap would a box of corn flakes or a loaf of wheat bread be if we killed the subsidies? They're *not* cheap -- we all pay with our tax dollars, whether we eat those foods or not. Grrr.

61f9349ad28e3c42d1cec58ba4825a7d

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on July 10, 2012
at 06:31 PM

That was my response to the above quoted nutritionist, Kathryn Guylay, who said the fresh fruits, vegetables, and meats made Paleo an "expensive diet."

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on July 10, 2012
at 03:04 PM

What part of this did a nutritionist say? I've never heard one recommending cake over fresh organic food. Betty Crocker left the nutrition field years ago.

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on July 11, 2012
at 12:23 PM

When I told my nutritionist friend that I was eating paleo, she responded:

"Well....paleo plus grains and dairy is okay."

Not sure what her concept of paleo is!

Fd70d71f4f8195c3a098eda4fc817d4f

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on July 11, 2012
at 01:21 PM

Haha! I wonder if she's ever told a vegetarian, "Well, vegetarian plus beef and pork is okay." =)

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on July 09, 2012
at 01:36 PM

I am finishing up a nutrition degree, and there was one week earlier this year I was feeling a little off - it's important to note that everyone around me (at the hospital I was rotating at, at school, at work) was coming down with a particularly nasty strain of influenza. One of my peers (who came down with it hard a couple days later):

"You know, you're probably feeling off because of that diet of yours. You should add whole grains back into it. I'm just saying...it's not healthy to avoid them!" [insert smug head shake here]

Needless to say, I did not start consuming "whole grains," nor did I come down with the flu.

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on July 09, 2012
at 04:13 PM

"If you still feel hungry (on this low fat, low protein, low calorie diet), just eat a cucumber!"

4ec0fe4b4aab327f7efa2dfb06b032ff

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on July 09, 2012
at 05:23 PM

Or celery! .

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E246df7366ba4b48f75b53378ed33282

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on July 09, 2012
at 03:09 PM

"This has to be the wierdest diet I have ever seen."

My dietitian, on showing her my (Paleo/GAPS) food diary last month.

It's strange that a diet of meat, leafy vegetables, nuts and berries is seen as 'wierd' for a human, but there you go.

To be fair, the dietitian did tell me to keep on eating it (until they've diagnosed my bowel problems...).

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at 02:42 AM

My nutritionist told me that I had to had 6 servings of whole grain per day. Including whole wheat and whole rye....

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on July 09, 2012
at 06:42 AM

I agree with the elimination of processed foods & consumption of things like lean protein, fruits & veggies in particular. But it seems to me that it's very possible to go overboard on fats on the paleo diet, no?

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on July 09, 2012
at 03:04 PM

No. Your consuming a lot less fat on paleo than what is being consumed eating oreos and McDonalds.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

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on July 09, 2012
at 11:46 AM

Over-doing it is possible in every scenario, regardless of what you eat or lifestyle you subscribe to. I consume less fat now than I ever did before and have the added benefit of none of the fats being crap oils or from CAFO beef.

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(1031)

on July 09, 2012
at 10:21 AM

There's many more knowledgeable and insightful people here than me, but I'd say no, in general it is very hard to go overboard eating saturated fats from fresh, whole foods like grass-fed beef. Many of the experiments that have slated saturated fats have been badly executed or just plain dumb. The movie "Fat Head" is a good place to start: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgBLQIJEcbE

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 09, 2012
at 04:26 AM

Oh no he didn't!

The problem with this, Mr. eddieosh, is that it is unacceptably close to that infamous Twitter thread, "Sh** a-certain-doctor-who-shall-go-nameless Says". This topic is, beyond a shadow of a doubt, both ARGUMENTATIVE and SUBJECTIVE! Not only shall the good (or not-so-good) doctor not be named on this august forum, he shall not be alluded to as well.

I trust the mods will attend to this posthaste.

In other unrelated news, where the HELL is Kurt Harris?! I fear we have run him off from Paleo-land with all these shenanigans over the past several months...

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on July 09, 2012
at 04:35 AM

You are one of the untainted then. Go with God, my child.

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on July 09, 2012
at 04:30 AM

I have no idea what you are talking about.

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on July 09, 2012
at 11:59 AM

Has anyone seen or read anything of Doc Harris anywhere? If it weren't for him I wouldn't be here in my slim and healthy body. I would be Old and Fat. Being old is not for sissies and I owe him a lot.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 10, 2012
at 01:59 AM

You guys are all (well, most of you) being SUBJECTIVE and ARGUMENTATIVE! Let's hope Melissa's not looking.

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on July 09, 2012
at 10:45 AM

Why you so bitter?

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(5231)

on July 09, 2012
at 04:36 PM

"Sh*t (fill-in-the-blank) Says" is a lot older than the thread you are referring to. What is your problem?

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on July 10, 2012
at 02:19 PM

Maybe the good doctor is living his life. Maybe he is tired of the drama queens that try to stir things up when nobody really cares. To quote him "I'm not trying to save the world, as I find it generally does not want saving."

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on July 11, 2012
at 10:32 AM

Ah, perhaps... But don't you ever wonder what became of his "investigation"/the supposed Facebook hacking/the phony photos/etc.? Aren't you the least bit, I don't know, curious?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on July 11, 2012
at 10:37 AM

Oh, and as regards that pithy quote of his you referenced, do you actually believe that's a Kruse original? I can't prove it, but I seem to recall Dr. Kurt Harris saying something VERY similar. (Dr. Harris = a TRUE giant & smartest man in paleo.)

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