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Protein Vs Fat...... getting in shape, and breath??????

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created April 11, 2011 at 1:56 PM

Ok, I've been using a Paleo structured diet for about 2 months, and by structured I do me loosely. I have moved to high protein and fat intake, and completely limited my carbs, and completely cut out legumes. Salads with no dressing, and a decent amount of seeds/nuts. Sugars have taken a back seat to protein for the most part. I haven't had the budget to be 100% strict, but doing my best.
While doing this roughly outlined diet I have also started a moderately intense workout regiment. I was wondering what should I adjust about the diet if anything to get the best results, and if I should just keep piling on the eggs and whatnot.
As well, did get a complaint from someone earlier this week that my breath was apparently a trash can. I understand that your body will cause your breath to smell "sweet" when your in a state of burning fat, but could the higher levels of protein be the problem, or is it that I have to much protein and not enough fat in my diet?? Any help would be greatly appreciated!!

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on April 17, 2012
at 03:11 PM

FYI, men should avoid even trace consumption of tea tree oil. I like how bright tea tree oil smells and tastes, but it's definitely not good to ingest, sadly.

Cf626d3fba66c18297b3f1116a920e58

(3417)

on May 04, 2011
at 11:27 PM

Moral of the story if you have low body fat %: Eat potatoes, get fat again, or stay hungry! :D

Cf626d3fba66c18297b3f1116a920e58

(3417)

on May 04, 2011
at 11:26 PM

Moral of the story: Eat potatoes :D

Cf626d3fba66c18297b3f1116a920e58

(3417)

on May 04, 2011
at 11:25 PM

Sorry, I totally missed this question til now... fat cells secrete leptin which reduces NPY synthesis, NPY being a strong signal for hunger. Once you have a small bf%, you secrete less leptin by default (smaller/fewer fat cells), so you have a LESSENED inhibition of NPY synthesis -- increased hunger signal. Insulin inhibits NPY synthesis. VLC diminishes insulin concentration. Take it all together: low bf% = low leptin = high NPY = hungry; VLC = low insulin = high NPY = hungry. That's a powerfuly double-whammy hunger signal that almost no amount of braised short ribs will conquer.

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

(5838)

on April 30, 2011
at 02:26 AM

Cheers. I re-read your question and had a question. Could you elaborate more here on this statement? "If you're male and below 10% or so body fat, you probably shouldn't do VLC if you ever want to feel satiated for reasons a little too complicated for this question"

Cf626d3fba66c18297b3f1116a920e58

(3417)

on April 29, 2011
at 10:54 PM

Thanks, man :) I really appreciate the compliment!

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

(5838)

on April 29, 2011
at 10:37 PM

@Becker, I'd like to comment that I'm glad you found PaleoHacks. You seem to really know your stuff and you're super helpful, and positive in all your responses. Keep up the great work man, we need more people like you.

03281912f1cb9e4e771a8a83af302e3a

(1204)

on April 11, 2011
at 08:44 PM

This isn't weird at all. The sugars from all the sugar, flour and starches stick to your teeth. The bacteria that cause tooth decay feed on glucose from the decomposing starches stuck to your teeth and gums. Amylase in saliva breaks down the starches into glucose.

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

(1702)

on April 11, 2011
at 07:02 PM

Oddly enough I have found that my teeth feel "cleaner" after brushing since switching to Paleo - am I just weird?

Cf626d3fba66c18297b3f1116a920e58

(3417)

on April 11, 2011
at 06:09 PM

You're welcome! Bulk meal-making is how I began, but I fell in love with cooking, so I've been preparing each meal individually for the last couple of months. If you have access to a kitchen only 3 days a week, definitely cook up a ton of meat to store. A couple of pounds of ground beef every couple of days is a good, affordable start, even if grass-fed.

540fd839acd032b3e2904c652b35038a

on April 11, 2011
at 05:53 PM

Thanks for the tips, seems like pretty sound advice. I realize that the ketosis will last for a while, currently at about 18% body fat, trying to get down to around 10. The salad dressing I know is not that bad if I go for the healthy choices, but I'd prefer it as just salad, just as a reminder that its fuel. I have around three days a week I can use a kitchen, so I think I need to start bulk meal making and then leftovers throughout the week. I will not only welcome spending money on good food, especially if I see great results. Thanks!!

246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

(21420)

on April 11, 2011
at 04:34 PM

Good stuff becker! +1

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on April 11, 2011
at 03:10 PM

Great answer becker!

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Cf626d3fba66c18297b3f1116a920e58

(3417)

on April 11, 2011
at 02:22 PM

Limit nuts and seeds. Both contain fats -- yay. Both contain horribly unhealthy omega 6:omega 3 ratios -- boo. Additionally, they may contain significant amounts of lectins, but what doesn't these days? Mostly, the reasons to limit or even avoid these are scientifically, the omega 6:omega 3 ratios are undesirable and logically, paleolithic folks wouldn't have had access to a significant amount of either. Plus do you have any idea how much work it takes to crack open dozens of nuts with rocks? Me neither, but I'm sure it's a lot.

Feel free to add dressing to your salad, but make sure it has a healthy oil base, like extra virgin olive oil. 1-2 tbsp should be fine. Try mixing it with 1/3 as much balsamic vinegar before adding to the salad to bring your greens to the next level.

Your ketogenic state -- the shunting of most of your caloric intake straight into the Krebs cycle for energy -- is leading to your breath smelling like overripe fruit. Not always the best smell, but it doesn't mean your teeth are dissolving. In fact, eating lots of carbohydrates leads to a net acid load in the body which pulls a major component of hydroxyapatite (enamel) out of the teeth and contributes to tooth decay. Despite the fact your breath is awful, truly just awful, your teeth are probably healthier than they've ever been. The ketosis will continue until you reintroduce carbs to your diet. Don't do this until you have reached your body fat goal. If you're male and below 10% or so body fat, you probably shouldn't do VLC if you ever want to feel satiated for reasons a little too complicated for this question. Keep smelling like a trashcan until you reach this point, then humor your friends and add some carbs back to come out of ketosis. No worries. Keep the carbs under 100g a day on average, and you shouldn't regain any weight.

The unusually high protein intake does indeed lead to even more ketosis, at least with respect to some of the amino acids you're taking in.

Eggs are totally fine to feast on, but not so much if you just buy them from the supermarket. Get them from a local farmer who pastures his chickens. This just about quadruples the price for a dozen eggs, but it confers to them significant nutrition and the guarantee that you won't be getting salmonella, well, ever. Feel free to eat these suckers raw. Alternatively, raise your own chickens. Why not?

Also, FAST!!! This will make the budget less of a concern so that you can focus on buying only quality foods because, well, you'll be eating less! There are many different approaches to fasting, and you can read about them on this site or just about any Paleo site, but a simple one is to eat a big, fatty breakfast on one day, then eat nothing until breakfast until the next day. Do this twice a week, and you're golden. Alternatively, skip breakfast every day and eat ad libitum the rest of the day.

Hope this helps a bit, feel free to ask more questions.

246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

(21420)

on April 11, 2011
at 04:34 PM

Good stuff becker! +1

Cf626d3fba66c18297b3f1116a920e58

(3417)

on April 11, 2011
at 06:09 PM

You're welcome! Bulk meal-making is how I began, but I fell in love with cooking, so I've been preparing each meal individually for the last couple of months. If you have access to a kitchen only 3 days a week, definitely cook up a ton of meat to store. A couple of pounds of ground beef every couple of days is a good, affordable start, even if grass-fed.

540fd839acd032b3e2904c652b35038a

on April 11, 2011
at 05:53 PM

Thanks for the tips, seems like pretty sound advice. I realize that the ketosis will last for a while, currently at about 18% body fat, trying to get down to around 10. The salad dressing I know is not that bad if I go for the healthy choices, but I'd prefer it as just salad, just as a reminder that its fuel. I have around three days a week I can use a kitchen, so I think I need to start bulk meal making and then leftovers throughout the week. I will not only welcome spending money on good food, especially if I see great results. Thanks!!

Medium avatar

(12379)

on April 11, 2011
at 03:10 PM

Great answer becker!

Cf626d3fba66c18297b3f1116a920e58

(3417)

on April 29, 2011
at 10:54 PM

Thanks, man :) I really appreciate the compliment!

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

(5838)

on April 29, 2011
at 10:37 PM

@Becker, I'd like to comment that I'm glad you found PaleoHacks. You seem to really know your stuff and you're super helpful, and positive in all your responses. Keep up the great work man, we need more people like you.

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

(5838)

on April 30, 2011
at 02:26 AM

Cheers. I re-read your question and had a question. Could you elaborate more here on this statement? "If you're male and below 10% or so body fat, you probably shouldn't do VLC if you ever want to feel satiated for reasons a little too complicated for this question"

Cf626d3fba66c18297b3f1116a920e58

(3417)

on May 04, 2011
at 11:25 PM

Sorry, I totally missed this question til now... fat cells secrete leptin which reduces NPY synthesis, NPY being a strong signal for hunger. Once you have a small bf%, you secrete less leptin by default (smaller/fewer fat cells), so you have a LESSENED inhibition of NPY synthesis -- increased hunger signal. Insulin inhibits NPY synthesis. VLC diminishes insulin concentration. Take it all together: low bf% = low leptin = high NPY = hungry; VLC = low insulin = high NPY = hungry. That's a powerfuly double-whammy hunger signal that almost no amount of braised short ribs will conquer.

Cf626d3fba66c18297b3f1116a920e58

(3417)

on May 04, 2011
at 11:26 PM

Moral of the story: Eat potatoes :D

Cf626d3fba66c18297b3f1116a920e58

(3417)

on May 04, 2011
at 11:27 PM

Moral of the story if you have low body fat %: Eat potatoes, get fat again, or stay hungry! :D

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1edb06ded9ccf098a4517ca4a7a34ebc

on April 17, 2012
at 12:56 AM

if your calories and/or carbs are sufficiently low, it could be ketotic breath. The remedy is obvious.

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3ab5e1b9eba22a071f653330b7fc9579

on April 17, 2012
at 12:53 AM

Another helpful solution for your breath is tea tree sticks. You can get these on amazon and they are filled with essential oils that will kill bacteria and freshen your breath, plus they double as a toothpick for removing leftover pieces of delicious meat from your teeth. They aren't too classy looking to chew on so I wouldnt reccomend doing it at a resturaunt or your office, but these things are a great way to keep your mouth feeling clean

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0001U1YB8?ie=UTF8&tag=marsdaiapp07-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=9325&creativeASIN=B0001U1YB8

Ebb10603524dd22621c1155dd7ddf106

(19150)

on April 17, 2012
at 03:11 PM

FYI, men should avoid even trace consumption of tea tree oil. I like how bright tea tree oil smells and tastes, but it's definitely not good to ingest, sadly.

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246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

(21420)

on April 11, 2011
at 04:35 PM

I buy fresh mint leaves and chew them after meals - the chlorophyl and mint oils tend to keep the breath at bay. I also brush often... which helps (a little).

03281912f1cb9e4e771a8a83af302e3a

(1204)

on April 11, 2011
at 08:44 PM

This isn't weird at all. The sugars from all the sugar, flour and starches stick to your teeth. The bacteria that cause tooth decay feed on glucose from the decomposing starches stuck to your teeth and gums. Amylase in saliva breaks down the starches into glucose.

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

(1702)

on April 11, 2011
at 07:02 PM

Oddly enough I have found that my teeth feel "cleaner" after brushing since switching to Paleo - am I just weird?

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