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Just wondering how everyone customizes their experience.

For example, I believe soy lecithin to be an unparalleled source of choline, so I add a serving a day. Also, I'm pretty sure cavemen didn't have Sri Racha, but I darned sure do.

Anyone else find any compromises worthwhile or rewarding?

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on November 27, 2012
at 12:38 PM

Yeah, that's unfortunate if side comments distract from the main topic, not my intent. I was interested in learning from your specific experience based on your comments, as opposed to a general audience. I also didn't intend a debate, though I can see how that can happen. This is a case where it might be handy if the website supported personal messages for those to enable if they choose. For future, maybe I can work on phrasing my comment better. Thanks for sharing.

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on November 27, 2012
at 03:28 AM

Chelsea, you've made my point better than I ever could have.

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on November 26, 2012
at 03:53 PM

See, this is where the militants simply lose credibility. Obviously pure Paleo is ideal. And, obviously we all recognize this. But, suggesting that tofu and agave will strike anyone barren is completely ridiculous. Do you have any idea how many Mountain Dew Dorito babies are born every day? Climb off your high horse back to reality. You'll hold more water down here with us feeble humans.

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on November 26, 2012
at 03:38 PM

Conveniently don't mention I prefaced that with 'I believe...' I clearly didn't start this thread to debate sources of choline. If you're interested in that, start another thread. Or overrun this one if you just can't help yourself. To answer, I can't quote any specific sources, it just jives with my research over the years. Exactly why I wouldn't - and didn't - claim to have this knowledge. More specifically, I believe the choline in lecithin to have superior bioavailability.

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on November 26, 2012
at 02:25 PM

Gasp. Sorry but trying to saying consuming GMO silken tofu (which by the way is contaminated with barley) is not something you should just get over. So is corn my dear.Also agave is about as close to HFCS as you can get. I don't avoid it because someone said the caveman never had it. I avoid it because I'd rather not have permanent liver damage, cancer or never be able to have children.

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on November 26, 2012
at 01:30 PM

raney, please share more about your experience with citicoline.

Cbdc8318738324492f2d5918868ce4c9

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on November 26, 2012
at 01:28 PM

I was simply genuinely curious about your soy lecithin perspective and so I left it as a comment as I knew I wasn't answering your question. I could see how people with egg sensitivities might be looking for choline alternatives.

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on November 26, 2012
at 06:15 AM

Yeah it is true that those with healthier digestive tracts aren't sensitive to eggs as those without, but eggs should theoretically cause a minor degree (perhaps not even noticeable) of discomfort to all humans as a result of an eggs evolutionary protective mechanisms. Food isn't our friend in most cases haha we want the nutrients but there's often a downside to eating that fruit/veggie even kale can cause digestive upset. Like eggs, this is a result of the need to survive and not be consumed by other animals.

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on November 26, 2012
at 04:42 AM

You make a statement like "unparalleled source of choline" and people are going to question it. It's not about whether or not they got your "point."

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on November 26, 2012
at 01:29 AM

Why do you think **most** people are sensitive to eggs?

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on November 26, 2012
at 01:02 AM

I think you'd get an ample amount of choline without having to introduce a soy product by eating free range egg yolks. Personally, I notice more benefit from citicoline supplementation than I could ever get by eating choline-rich foods.

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on November 26, 2012
at 12:10 AM

When you buy soy make sure to buy "non-GMO" or "organic" since the mass-produced soy has been genetically altered for pesticide resistance. What was found is that when testing on rats, Soy caused infertility in the third generations and may lead to infertility in your offspring. Soy is also filled with anti-nutrients.

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on November 26, 2012
at 12:06 AM

What I've read is that people with a compromised intestinal barrier ("leaky gut") tend to have trouble with eggs, and that eggs are no longer a problem once their intestines get healthier. I think that is what some practitioners have found doing IgG tests with their patients.

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on November 26, 2012
at 12:05 AM

Yeah, I thought soy lecithin was bad...

F92e4ca55291c3f3096a3d4d3d854986

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on November 26, 2012
at 12:04 AM

I can't speak for the original poster but I have issues with the yolks too. Gassy.

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on November 26, 2012
at 12:04 AM

Yeah, that's true but I like eating the whole egg :D I'm not that sensitive to them as I used to be while I was on my American diet

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on November 25, 2012
at 11:55 PM

Why do you believe soy lecithin to be an unparalleled source of choline? Curious if you have some references.

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on November 25, 2012
at 11:54 PM

Do you have issues when only eating the egg yokes? i.e. the problem is in the egg white

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74786bbe8254844304a33943290c4d6d

on November 26, 2012
at 02:40 AM

My guilty pleasure...is...

...wait for it...

...I SAID WAIT...

peanut butter.

DON'T JUDGE ME!

Wifey loves it. I have to limit my consumption, but man, do I love peanut butter. Yada yada, phytic acid, mycotoxins, GMO, blah blah blah blah blah. I'm the resident 'food-nazi' in the family, so I'm allowed one thing, dammit.

I'm interested in wild peanuts. I think I found some wild peanut butter online, but wowzers, it's expensive.

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on November 26, 2012
at 02:17 AM

Hello Kashkillz,

I also include soy products in my not-quite-paleo diet. I use silken tofu in my morning smoothies as a source of protein and enjoy firmer tofu fried in (gasp!) a coating of corn starch and spices.

I also include sauces such as Sri Racha and things like barbecue sauce in small amounts.

Wild horses cannot keep me away from a bag of Original Kettle Chips. Popcorn also makes occasional appearances in my snacking regimen, but only once every month or two, and it's always cooked in olive oil on the stove at home. (Try it with truffle salt. OMG addictive)

Once in a blue moon when I go to a mexican restaurant, I'll eat a few of the chips with the salsa before moving on to my tortilla-free steak fajitas.

The Paleo gods may smite me for this, but I even include sweeteners in my diet in small amounts. Agave goes into my tea and smoothies and I'll even use regular white sugar in grain-free baked goods on occasion.

Beer.

The moral of this story, Kashkillz, is that everyone has to find their own paleo path. Kudos to you for asking others how they've tweaked the primal/paleo way of eating to work for them. I hope you get more responses that actually answer your question. Personally, I really liked seeing another primal/paleo devotee who includes soy in their diet. Unfortunately, putting yourself out there like that will always attract a fair number of crazies. I hope I don't sound too harsh saying that, but there are a lot of them here. Don't let them get you down for one minute. Get down with your soy-eating self!

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on November 26, 2012
at 03:53 PM

See, this is where the militants simply lose credibility. Obviously pure Paleo is ideal. And, obviously we all recognize this. But, suggesting that tofu and agave will strike anyone barren is completely ridiculous. Do you have any idea how many Mountain Dew Dorito babies are born every day? Climb off your high horse back to reality. You'll hold more water down here with us feeble humans.

90bcfafd2ef73fea5398c483c593349e

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on November 27, 2012
at 03:28 AM

Chelsea, you've made my point better than I ever could have.

2a00b9a42e4cb6e489a0e69d20714576

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on November 26, 2012
at 02:25 PM

Gasp. Sorry but trying to saying consuming GMO silken tofu (which by the way is contaminated with barley) is not something you should just get over. So is corn my dear.Also agave is about as close to HFCS as you can get. I don't avoid it because someone said the caveman never had it. I avoid it because I'd rather not have permanent liver damage, cancer or never be able to have children.

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on November 25, 2012
at 11:35 PM

There's not a lot of people promoting caveman re-enactment. You'll notice most people doing Paleo cook their food and don't eat just locally available things??? and use spices and herbs. IF you want to eat soy lecithin go nuts. Or have some Sriracha every day be my guest.

Besides Sriracha is delicious and generally doesn't contain anything too bizarre. Huy Fong the most popular brand is gluten free and only contains a bit of sugar. I'm sorry if someone is going to beat their chest over the amount of sugar in rooster sauce and not bananas and pineapples then they've moved firmly into the territory of religion not diet.

The potassium sorbate and sodium bisulfite are preservatives and well understood and widely regarded as very safe. Likewise few people are going to vilify xanthan gum either.

That said??? you should try making your own Sriracha it's easy (if you have a blender or magic bullet or something) and you can put in fresh ingredients and it'll be amazing.

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Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

on November 26, 2012
at 01:49 AM

People love missing (avoiding?) the point.

Just looking to canvas, seeing what the rest of us health-conscious folks have come up with. Not looking to defend my choices or put anyone else on defense.

Cbdc8318738324492f2d5918868ce4c9

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on November 26, 2012
at 01:28 PM

I was simply genuinely curious about your soy lecithin perspective and so I left it as a comment as I knew I wasn't answering your question. I could see how people with egg sensitivities might be looking for choline alternatives.

Ed7403e397077dd1acdbf25c7f6e56ce

(3452)

on November 26, 2012
at 03:38 PM

Conveniently don't mention I prefaced that with 'I believe...' I clearly didn't start this thread to debate sources of choline. If you're interested in that, start another thread. Or overrun this one if you just can't help yourself. To answer, I can't quote any specific sources, it just jives with my research over the years. Exactly why I wouldn't - and didn't - claim to have this knowledge. More specifically, I believe the choline in lecithin to have superior bioavailability.

Cbdc8318738324492f2d5918868ce4c9

(1211)

on November 27, 2012
at 12:38 PM

Yeah, that's unfortunate if side comments distract from the main topic, not my intent. I was interested in learning from your specific experience based on your comments, as opposed to a general audience. I also didn't intend a debate, though I can see how that can happen. This is a case where it might be handy if the website supported personal messages for those to enable if they choose. For future, maybe I can work on phrasing my comment better. Thanks for sharing.

61844af1187e745e09bb394cbd28cf23

(11058)

on November 26, 2012
at 04:42 AM

You make a statement like "unparalleled source of choline" and people are going to question it. It's not about whether or not they got your "point."

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

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on November 25, 2012
at 11:21 PM

I find it more rewarding without the compromises haha. I even make more compromises though since sugar will always be my #1 enemy:

-No sweetners of any kind (including maple syrup or honey) -No FODMAPS -Avoid eggs and nuts if possible

I think most people are sensitive to eggs to some degree since they do contain anti-nutrients (a protective mechanism for the egg) though they are also rich in nutrients, proteins and good fats. Same with nuts. So I end up compromising digestive stability when I eat these... sometimes I don't mind. :)

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on November 26, 2012
at 01:29 AM

Why do you think **most** people are sensitive to eggs?

7841848bd0c27c64353c583fb7971242

(7275)

on November 26, 2012
at 12:06 AM

What I've read is that people with a compromised intestinal barrier ("leaky gut") tend to have trouble with eggs, and that eggs are no longer a problem once their intestines get healthier. I think that is what some practitioners have found doing IgG tests with their patients.

Cbdc8318738324492f2d5918868ce4c9

(1211)

on November 25, 2012
at 11:54 PM

Do you have issues when only eating the egg yokes? i.e. the problem is in the egg white

F92e4ca55291c3f3096a3d4d3d854986

(11698)

on November 26, 2012
at 12:04 AM

I can't speak for the original poster but I have issues with the yolks too. Gassy.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 26, 2012
at 12:04 AM

Yeah, that's true but I like eating the whole egg :D I'm not that sensitive to them as I used to be while I was on my American diet

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on November 26, 2012
at 06:15 AM

Yeah it is true that those with healthier digestive tracts aren't sensitive to eggs as those without, but eggs should theoretically cause a minor degree (perhaps not even noticeable) of discomfort to all humans as a result of an eggs evolutionary protective mechanisms. Food isn't our friend in most cases haha we want the nutrients but there's often a downside to eating that fruit/veggie even kale can cause digestive upset. Like eggs, this is a result of the need to survive and not be consumed by other animals.

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