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Has anyone actually gone back to the S.A.D ?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created January 22, 2012 at 10:25 AM

Not that I have, or ever will. But i'm very curious to see what happened to these people * if any at all* that went back to the S.A.D

I could never see my self going back to how I was before. I wouldn't want my...

  • Back acne
  • Bad energy levels
  • Sugar cravings
  • Sleep problems
  • Moodiness
  • Lack of concentration

to come back.

Thanks ;)

C7fa1bf712d466cf7e9f2a404d5f0e34

(40)

on January 26, 2012
at 01:01 AM

Yeah, for many it's best not to have in the house to prevent overeating. But I often order a coffee with 2 cream 2 sugar from the local coffee shop.

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on January 23, 2012
at 01:01 PM

I had the same experience binging on anything I wanted over the holidays and not gaining a pound. I credit months of paleo and its positive influence on my deranged metabolism (and improvement of my hypothyroidism due to removal of inflammatory foods) for helping me scoot through that with minimal damage. It's kind of like how some folks say when they get a cold on paleo it only lasts a day or two instead of a week. I think we get some durable protective benefits--up to a point.

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on January 23, 2012
at 12:51 PM

Yes--some folks who lack sufficient motivation might return to challenge themselves with new information, or for confirmation that paleo (or something like it) is still the best way to go. I once read that repeated attempts to quit smoking were predictive of success. The more times one tries to quit, the more likely one will ultimately do it. I often think quitting the SAD is very much like quitting cigarettes. Some can go cold-turkey and never look back, others need to try repeatedly. I could totally see coming here for motivation. (Or confirmation that we're all nuts!)

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on January 23, 2012
at 12:41 PM

I disagree. One meal does not a diet make. I also personally use the word "treat," not "cheat," since I do not owe anyone my dietary fidelity. "Cheating" implies I'm doing something bad, stealing, or being unfaithful. My way of eating is not a matter of faith. I know you were just joking, but I like to take the opportunity to challenge the use of the word "cheat" in this context.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on January 23, 2012
at 01:54 AM

And don't forget 17-yr-old grandkids either. :-))

0d0316bfd35ffab6fa000120b978f303

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on January 23, 2012
at 01:47 AM

Hi Nance! I'm excited to get back to Paleo! A meal plan has been written out, and grocery shopping will happen tomorrow (along with cleaning out the cupboards!). It's time to do what's best for me!

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 23, 2012
at 01:38 AM

Hey, Heather! Sounds like you definitely had a lot going on. Write a great chapter, okay?

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on January 23, 2012
at 01:36 AM

@drbruce92, I'm glad to know you're here! You should share your thoughts now and then for sure.

Bfa1c9eacfc94a1b62f3a39b574480c6

(3700)

on January 23, 2012
at 12:06 AM

I agree. Splurges now even have to be high-quality splurges. Basically, high quality ice cream, fancy creme-brulees or nougats. Nothing that's a gluten bomb or bombards my taste buds. Subtle is good, my body doesn't crave anything stronger than dark chocolate (>85%).

Fc891327db916c10347b008acde0daca

(1022)

on January 22, 2012
at 10:36 PM

@syrahna yeah, it leads me to binging like hell aswell, that´s why I asked...

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on January 22, 2012
at 09:34 PM

I dunno... never underestimate the desire of people to remain connected to something they once had but lost, or want badly but just aren't yet ready for.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on January 22, 2012
at 07:39 PM

I don't sit down and just eat a pound of ground beef because that's what paleo says to do. I've got my proteins lined up for the week: 1.5 pounds of venison, a few ounces of bacon, and 1.5 pounds of wild salmon. Probably get nearly 12 eggs in too. I wouldn't be surprised if some folks think that sounds like a good day.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on January 22, 2012
at 07:39 PM

I don't sit down and just eat a pound of ground beef because that's what paleo says to do. I've got my proteins lined up for the *week*: 1.5 pounds of venison, a few ounces of bacon, and 1.5 pounds of wild salmon. Probably get nearly 12 eggs in too. I wouldn't be surprised if some folks think that sounds like a good *day*.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on January 22, 2012
at 07:38 PM

I don't sit down and just eat a pound of ground beef because that's what paleo says to do. I've got my proteins lined up for the **week**: 1.5 pounds of venison, a few ounces of bacon, and 1.5 pounds of wild salmon. Probably get nearly 12 eggs in too. I wouldn't be surprised if some folks think that sounds like a good *day*.

D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

(2417)

on January 22, 2012
at 06:53 PM

Oh, Nick, spoken like one of the lucky ones. White sugar, for me and a lot of others, is benign like crack is benign. That stuff seriously can run my life and it absolutely dances around the edges now, asking for attention. Don't get me wrong, I'm accountable for eating it, but talk about an addictive food...

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 22, 2012
at 05:17 PM

At the 9-month point, I'm definitely shifting toward more vegetables and fruits and moderate meat. I still prefer fatty meat, but I'm not adding extra fats at all. Frankly, I feel fabulous this way. One serving of fatty meat per day plus unlimited vegs/fruits.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

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on January 22, 2012
at 05:14 PM

Yes, and I eat home-made yogurt daily and don't worry about honey in my coffee or an extra banana (or occasional hard-shell tacos.)

C7fa1bf712d466cf7e9f2a404d5f0e34

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on January 22, 2012
at 02:07 PM

White sugar is fairly benign if you're physically active. The only downfall is that it's bereft of nutrients.

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on January 22, 2012
at 01:56 PM

why did you do it? especially juices and white sugar? Just curiuos :>

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on January 22, 2012
at 11:13 AM

Everyone that cheats occasionally goes back :)

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6a26f2ca2cd1c5c5afcda9276b309a9c

(579)

on January 22, 2012
at 10:35 AM

Well you can be sure anyone that did will have also stopped hanging out here!

0607529af9b78bb5b178f7ffabdc4693

(701)

on January 22, 2012
at 09:34 PM

I dunno... never underestimate the desire of people to remain connected to something they once had but lost, or want badly but just aren't yet ready for.

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on January 23, 2012
at 12:51 PM

Yes--some folks who lack sufficient motivation might return to challenge themselves with new information, or for confirmation that paleo (or something like it) is still the best way to go. I once read that repeated attempts to quit smoking were predictive of success. The more times one tries to quit, the more likely one will ultimately do it. I often think quitting the SAD is very much like quitting cigarettes. Some can go cold-turkey and never look back, others need to try repeatedly. I could totally see coming here for motivation. (Or confirmation that we're all nuts!)

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246ebf68e35743f62e5e187891b9cba0

(21420)

on January 22, 2012
at 03:43 PM

Quite a few times. Every time due to finances and having a family to feed in addition to myself. Being forced to a $5 budget a day to feed two adults and a child makes Paleo difficult, if not impossible (I understand this is subjective, but it is my own experience). Beans, rice, cornbread, and hambones kept me going...

Additionally during my competitive years I did begin allowing myself fairly heavy indulgence in supplements, dairy, and occasional grains. This opened the floodgates and before I knew it, I was basically back where I started diet-wise.

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32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on January 22, 2012
at 03:37 PM

I'm sure people have quit paleo and went back to SAD. But you're not likely going to find them lurking on PaleoHacks! I'm sure the dropout rate from paleo is pretty high. There's the initial dropout, from not liking change. There's the 1 month dropout from not seeing significant enough results. There's the 3-6 month dropout from meeting one's goals. Then there's the slow attrition of folks who simply get tired of it all.

It seems a natural progression for many is to be uber-strict initially, tweaking it down to reasonable functionality while getting health back in line, and then a maintenance level of paleo, where 70-80% of paleo gets you 95% of the results.

Or folks hop over to a paleo-like diet: perfect health, WAPF, ancestral, etc...

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on January 22, 2012
at 07:38 PM

I don't sit down and just eat a pound of ground beef because that's what paleo says to do. I've got my proteins lined up for the **week**: 1.5 pounds of venison, a few ounces of bacon, and 1.5 pounds of wild salmon. Probably get nearly 12 eggs in too. I wouldn't be surprised if some folks think that sounds like a good *day*.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on January 22, 2012
at 07:39 PM

I don't sit down and just eat a pound of ground beef because that's what paleo says to do. I've got my proteins lined up for the *week*: 1.5 pounds of venison, a few ounces of bacon, and 1.5 pounds of wild salmon. Probably get nearly 12 eggs in too. I wouldn't be surprised if some folks think that sounds like a good *day*.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 22, 2012
at 05:17 PM

At the 9-month point, I'm definitely shifting toward more vegetables and fruits and moderate meat. I still prefer fatty meat, but I'm not adding extra fats at all. Frankly, I feel fabulous this way. One serving of fatty meat per day plus unlimited vegs/fruits.

32f5749fa6cf7adbeb0b0b031ba82b46

(41757)

on January 22, 2012
at 07:39 PM

I don't sit down and just eat a pound of ground beef because that's what paleo says to do. I've got my proteins lined up for the week: 1.5 pounds of venison, a few ounces of bacon, and 1.5 pounds of wild salmon. Probably get nearly 12 eggs in too. I wouldn't be surprised if some folks think that sounds like a good day.

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0d0316bfd35ffab6fa000120b978f303

on January 23, 2012
at 12:52 AM

I have fallen off the wagon, but still read PaleoHacks as a source of knowledge and inspiration! The last month has been high stress. 12 hour work days (normally 8 hours), working out, baking (2nd job- yes, in addition to the 12 hour day job), and maybe 6 hours of sleep (instead of 8 that my body craves). All of that just adds to SAD. Eating Paleo for me means really planning my food, and I just haven't had the time or energy to do so. I finally made the decision to walk away from my job, so I am looking forward to going back to Paleo and taking steps towards the next chapter of my life!

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 23, 2012
at 01:38 AM

Hey, Heather! Sounds like you definitely had a lot going on. Write a great chapter, okay?

0d0316bfd35ffab6fa000120b978f303

(245)

on January 23, 2012
at 01:47 AM

Hi Nance! I'm excited to get back to Paleo! A meal plan has been written out, and grocery shopping will happen tomorrow (along with cleaning out the cupboards!). It's time to do what's best for me!

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96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 22, 2012
at 11:34 PM

I agree with Matt. People who truly gave up on or decided they didn't thrive on ancestral eating probably stopped visiting PH once they were sure their decision was final.

I had a "crisis month" about 4 months in and I did ask myself whether it was worth it to give up all my traditional snacks and high-reward treats. It's probably fair to say I gave in, too, because I had 2 binges in month 5. I stopped visiting ancestral sites, including PH, and I went out and bought a huge supply of junk.

A funny thing happened, though. None of the wheat-based foods tasted as good as I thought I remembered and they made me sick. Other binge foods didn't make me flat-out sick but the taste and after-effects were still very disappointing compared to the memories I'd been carrying around.

So, what happened is that I found out once and for all that the manufactured food-like products had lost their grip on me and I had no reason to binge. I haven't been mildly tempted since that time (August) and even on days in December when I had a neolithic treat like ice cream or chocolate the "treat" was never the best tasting food I had that day.

Now my experiments and treats are all safely within the realm of ancestral eating on a day-to-day basis. My wild monthly splurges are something like hard-shell tacos with a few forkfuls each of rice and beans. :O They taste good, there are no negative consequences and no regrets. Foods or food-like products that can't meet that standard are not included even as splurges.

Bfa1c9eacfc94a1b62f3a39b574480c6

(3700)

on January 23, 2012
at 12:06 AM

I agree. Splurges now even have to be high-quality splurges. Basically, high quality ice cream, fancy creme-brulees or nougats. Nothing that's a gluten bomb or bombards my taste buds. Subtle is good, my body doesn't crave anything stronger than dark chocolate (>85%).

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60af23519906aa54b742ffc17477c3d3

(1186)

on January 22, 2012
at 11:18 PM

I went semi-SAD for a bit. I did a fitness competition and afterward started to relax back into things a bit. Started off as cheating, then became daily. What happened? My metabolism shut down and I gained 10lbs. I lost my libido and became super moody. I felt like crap, looked like crap, performed like runny crap. I came to my senses.

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C2450eb7fa11b37473599caf93b461ef

on January 22, 2012
at 02:23 PM

Not back to SAD in a "screw this paleo stuff, I was better off before sort of way," but more in a letting stuff slide over the holidays sort of way. And yes, I felt worse, and I'm back on the wagon.

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on January 22, 2012
at 01:01 PM

I went paleo a couple years ago. Hung out with eating that way for a year. When I started bumping up my running for ultramarathons I ended up turning into a vegetarian. I didn't do it consciously really. I upped my carbs so much that I ended up just weeding out meat in place of oatmeal, rice, beans, quinoa, and sweet potatoes. It was when I added whole grain bread that things started going bad.

I was getting very intense ear aches about every 3-5 days. I went to an chiropractor that was kind of new age (def not a hippy though using crystals and crap) and he suggested that a sensitivity to gluten could have been causing the ear aches. He told me to eliminate gluten, wait 2-3 weeks, and come back and see him. 2-3 weeks later I'm in his office thanking him b/c the stabbing pain in my ears had all but vanished.

I got through my last ultramarathon, some SAD binge eating during the holidays (Thanksgiving= 7 pumpkin cookies, 1 whole pumpkin pie, and 2 pieces of a pecan pie. Christmas= 1 dozen Oreo Balls. NYE= 3 large pieces of cheesecake) and now I'm back on the paleo bandwagon. I definitely feel better and my recovery between weight lifting/running sessions is remarkable.

BTW: Didn't gain an ounce of weight after the holidays :) I freakin' killed those desert foods

A7768b6c6be7f5d6acc76e5efa66464c

on January 23, 2012
at 01:01 PM

I had the same experience binging on anything I wanted over the holidays and not gaining a pound. I credit months of paleo and its positive influence on my deranged metabolism (and improvement of my hypothyroidism due to removal of inflammatory foods) for helping me scoot through that with minimal damage. It's kind of like how some folks say when they get a cold on paleo it only lasts a day or two instead of a week. I think we get some durable protective benefits--up to a point.

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on January 22, 2012
at 11:44 AM

It depends on what SAD means to you. I've added back non-raw skimmed milk, white sugar, juices, potatoes and rice. 1 year ago all of this would be a big No-Go for me as it is too SAD related.

C7fa1bf712d466cf7e9f2a404d5f0e34

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on January 22, 2012
at 02:07 PM

White sugar is fairly benign if you're physically active. The only downfall is that it's bereft of nutrients.

Fc891327db916c10347b008acde0daca

(1022)

on January 22, 2012
at 10:36 PM

@syrahna yeah, it leads me to binging like hell aswell, that´s why I asked...

D5d982a898721d3392c85f951d0bf0aa

(2417)

on January 22, 2012
at 06:53 PM

Oh, Nick, spoken like one of the lucky ones. White sugar, for me and a lot of others, is benign like crack is benign. That stuff seriously can run my life and it absolutely dances around the edges now, asking for attention. Don't get me wrong, I'm accountable for eating it, but talk about an addictive food...

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 22, 2012
at 05:14 PM

Yes, and I eat home-made yogurt daily and don't worry about honey in my coffee or an extra banana (or occasional hard-shell tacos.)

Fc891327db916c10347b008acde0daca

(1022)

on January 22, 2012
at 01:56 PM

why did you do it? especially juices and white sugar? Just curiuos :>

C7fa1bf712d466cf7e9f2a404d5f0e34

(40)

on January 26, 2012
at 01:01 AM

Yeah, for many it's best not to have in the house to prevent overeating. But I often order a coffee with 2 cream 2 sugar from the local coffee shop.

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6120c989fd5b69f42a0834b69b87955b

(24553)

on January 23, 2012
at 02:46 AM

I went back to SAD when I was pregnant because of the severity of morning sickness and then I realized the pregnancy and lactation hormones seemed to erase the IBS symptoms I normally had after eating wheaty things. Luckily, my hormones shifted back and I didn't have much choice but to come back to paleo if I didn't want to feel ill all the time.

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D5a4ff096a452a84a772efa0e6bc626e

(2486)

on January 23, 2012
at 01:46 AM

My mom went back to SAD, I'm sorry to say. According to her, it was too socially hard and my dad was exerting serious pressure against her wacky new diet, and he was ill and on a newly restricted diet due to bloodthinners, and, and, and...

As for effects, her GERD came back, her 'seasonal' allergies that happen every season are noticeably worse, her eyes went back to their usual bloodshot look. Sigh...parents. I hear the only thing worse is kids-

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 23, 2012
at 01:54 AM

And don't forget 17-yr-old grandkids either. :-))

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on January 23, 2012
at 12:06 AM

I did, but not because I didn't like paleo. It was because I was in college, and a lot of paleoish food (salads, nuts) are expensive for a college kid. And, this article kinda convinced me eating grains isn't so bad as long as it's mostly from white flour. The jist is that most of the grain's anti-nutrients are in the germ and the hull (bran). Refined flour is made after the hull and germ are removed.

http://www.archevore.com/panu-weblog/2010/3/12/the-argument-against-cereal-grains-ii.html

And I still lurk around on PH.

96bf58d8c6bd492dc5b8ae46203fe247

(37227)

on January 23, 2012
at 01:36 AM

@drbruce92, I'm glad to know you're here! You should share your thoughts now and then for sure.

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Ca2c940a1947e6200883908592956680

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on January 22, 2012
at 03:49 PM

I started eating Fage yoghurt everyday for breakfast and I got acne so stopped. I must say I do eat a sandwich or slice of panettone once a week, and sometimes I get IBS. I actually had pancakes at a cafe this weekend with a friend and within minutes I had to run off, so I am starting to realise that some flour products are worse than others. I assume it is depending on the type and grade of flour. All the bread here in the UK is laced with Soya flour so I wouldn't be surprised if the gluten content is less of an issue.

I never actually ate the SAD diet anyway, and have always had loads of organic veg etc. The exception was pasta which I loveed but I haven't eaten it for about five months now. I don't really miss it that much, and I do the courgette noodles instead.

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D1728f99db66ff91d695a6df5cd38b02

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on January 23, 2012
at 03:43 PM

Yeah I went back to SAD, there is a time between now and when I first went Paleo back around March 2011, where I was more SAD than I was Paleo for the majority of the time. That said, I have never bought bread to keep in my house since I first went Paleo, and I wasn't very SAD to start with because I am from a coastal Part of Australia before I moved to USA where I ate a lot of fish and not much fast food for about 10 years. Probably, all of my meat was grass-fed as well as my milk. The thing I find is that my facial acne comes back when I don't eat Paleo. Also if I eat pancakes or what-not I get really sleepy. I am not sure what causes my IBS, it started after I had been in the states for a few years and doesn't really want to go away but it is more of a once a month thing now, when it used to be a couple of times a week.

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on January 23, 2012
at 02:33 PM

I just had pancakes for breakfast; now I feel disgusting.

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on January 23, 2012
at 01:25 AM

If you consider wheat/sugar as part of the SAD, then yes. I used to be very intolerant to gluten, but I can tolerate it fine now, and I do eat it occasionally. I consider sugar to be positive (Ray Peat).

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