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But Grok didn't wear a condom, so why should I ????

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created July 11, 2011 at 4:17 PM

First strain of gonnorrhea which is resistant to all antibiotics has been discovered by scientists...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/07/110711081423.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Latest+Science+News%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher

IMHO we are poised to see more and more of this - highly resistant, super-guerilla bacteria and fungi, species crossing , wildly mutating pathogens of all kinds...

So, what can we do/are we doing, as ancestral eaters striving to live an evolutionarily informed way of life?

And how might this help us to quite literally, SURVIVE?

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs194/en/

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/10/4/l_104_03.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antibiotic_resistance

EDIT: OK, I have been trying to edit this on and off for about 1.5 hours, but my laptop was having problems...

Although this question was couched in the announcement that we now have an untreatable strain of gonnorrhea, the question is meant to be much larger than that. For instance, STD's/STI's are just one area of infectious disease.

The larger view and question is: As a person who is presumably committed to an ancestral lifestyle, which includes ancestral eating as an important foundation, is there something/anything about this lifestyle that you see as protective relative to the many increasingly threatening and new infectious diseases I'd project are instore for us in the future, as well as, other threats?

Here's a part of my answer.I see commiting to a paleo lifestyle as by its very nature fostering a much more intentional way of life. What does intentional mean? It means that we are, in my view, forced to be much more present in the moment to make the choices we have to make in an environment and culture(s) which do not at all naturally support these choices.It means knee jerk responses don't work for this way of life. And thus, I believe this lifestyle fosters a more thoughtful approach to life, all the way around and a striving for a postive balance, between the moment and the future.

Relative to survival, I remember a blogpost, but cannot remember the blog, which took a very hard hitting look at the ability of humans to respond in a disaster situation, such as the many, worldwide that we have seen in just the last year or so. The blogger posed the question and observation that just looking at obesity and morbid obesity in the face of situations such a a tsunami or severe hurricane, we see the cost of these conditions. We see the deadly limited capacity of a morbidly obese parent to swim any distance to save themselves or reach their drowning child. We see persons affected by multiple diseases of civilization who face exacerbation after exacerbation of severe illness, landing them in hospitals, which, more and more are quite the scary breeding grounds and transmission sites for antibiotic resistant infectious diseases.

When we have brains that are not floating in a soup of O-6 and other neolithic agents of disease, beyond the avoidance of specific disease states, I believe that this, combined with the mindfulness of the committment to paleo life, actually has the power to change our brains and thus, on many levels and in many areas, change our choices and behavior. We create new neural pathways. As one of my favorite researcher/clinicans says: Brain develoment is USE DEPENDENT. Like traintracks, we use the neural pathways that are dug in the deepest. I believe that the ulitmate power of paleo is the making of new "tracks" which result in new behaviors and are also created by our repeatedly choosing new behaviors.

Bb2adc4df725b56e99e0652c0feb4640

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on May 06, 2012
at 08:15 AM

Oh, wait. What was the problem again? Are GM sheep paleo?

5437163ddf70d4532f196bfb4333753e

(3614)

on July 12, 2011
at 06:41 PM

A-freaking-men!

1d952d225819b0229e93160a90bf9bf8

(1600)

on July 12, 2011
at 01:57 AM

animalcule..yeah,my grandmother used that method.It worked so well that she had 13 kids,and would probably have had more if my grandfather hadn't died young.I got pregnant 2 years ago after being talked into using it.One wrong calculation and you are toast.

1d952d225819b0229e93160a90bf9bf8

(1600)

on July 12, 2011
at 01:50 AM

Wow..those Roman broads were tough..

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on July 11, 2011
at 08:50 PM

+1 - couldn't agree more, lol! The striving is to live an evolutionarily *informed* life, not, as is often and wisely said, a "Grok reenactment!"

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on July 11, 2011
at 08:35 PM

LMAO! Absolutely agreed! ;)

65660697ed243c7980725fd014eb00e0

(494)

on July 11, 2011
at 08:33 PM

Genetically modified sheep FTW. Problem solved!

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on July 11, 2011
at 08:12 PM

yeah, this came up on another thread. I'm just not willing to give up because of that risk. You have to find someone you trust, and if you can't at least let them know about your large extensive gun collection.

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on July 11, 2011
at 07:57 PM

+1 - Good one... However, one can then go over to Evolvify and read Andrew's interesting treatise on "cheating" behaviors of males and females in relationships...This is *not* to say that I don't think committed long term *monagamy* isn't possible. It is...but culturally reported numbers are dicey and working in an STD clinic can give one a whole new view... :(

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on July 11, 2011
at 07:56 PM

The only option is to genetically modify sheep to have impermeable skin.

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on July 11, 2011
at 06:54 PM

+1 to Oranges, as unless things have changed very recntly this is my info as well. :(

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

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on July 11, 2011
at 06:44 PM

And do nothing to prevent disease due to their permeability, unfortunately.

Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

(6433)

on July 11, 2011
at 06:23 PM

Apparently the Egyptians used lamb's intestines, whilst Roman prostitutes would create a sort of make-shift cervical cap out of half a hollowed out lemon.

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on July 11, 2011
at 05:45 PM

+1 - "std's aren't paleo."

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on July 11, 2011
at 05:45 PM

+1 - So, do you think your commitment to paleo living affects your perception of issues like this and your decision making in other areas of life?

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on July 11, 2011
at 05:43 PM

@animalcule: Yeah, sooooooo, sooooo low... ;)

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on July 11, 2011
at 05:42 PM

@bittykitty: Just love those fleeting "oh yeah" moments of clarity that seem too often to just keep right of flittering past... :( +1 for reminder that us old fogies have sex and condoms aint just ofr "kids!"

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on July 11, 2011
at 05:40 PM

+1 and thanks for the bit of education re: historical evidence of condom use. :)

26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

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on July 11, 2011
at 05:13 PM

People who know that as long as you don't ejaculate millions of sperm into the vagina during the rather narrow window of each cycle where they could live long enough that fertilization is possible, there is a very low chance of pregnancy. ;)

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on July 11, 2011
at 04:45 PM

@Simibee: Thank you. However, I think I didn't share enough of my own thoughts to be helpful in eliciting a "deeper" variety of answers, so think I will do a little editing...

Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

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on July 11, 2011
at 04:30 PM

Clicked on this all geared up to deliver a finger-wagging, after school special type lecture on safe sex, and was pleasantly surprised by a new and relevant topic to be viewed through a Paleo lens. +1!

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on July 11, 2011
at 04:27 PM

wrap em up, people. std's aren't paleo :)

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on July 11, 2011
at 05:45 PM

+1 - "std's aren't paleo."

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5437163ddf70d4532f196bfb4333753e

(3614)

on July 11, 2011
at 08:47 PM

Well, I know damn well that IUDs aren't "paleo" but the wife and I aren't complaining!

If anyone out there practicing casual sex with multiple partners is neglecting the use of a condom and using "paleo" as a rationale, shame on you.

This is what happens when you take a good idea and make it a religion, you abandon all common sense in order to reinforce the tenants of said religion. "Grok didn't do XYZ so I won't either"

Well, Grok didn't get life insurance. Grok didn't vote. Grok didn't pay his taxes.

But I'm pretty damn sure you should do all three.

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on July 11, 2011
at 08:50 PM

+1 - couldn't agree more, lol! The striving is to live an evolutionarily *informed* life, not, as is often and wisely said, a "Grok reenactment!"

5437163ddf70d4532f196bfb4333753e

(3614)

on July 12, 2011
at 06:41 PM

A-freaking-men!

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62f89aa727cf3ce77c36651347cabc14

(884)

on July 11, 2011
at 04:24 PM

No glove, no love.

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on July 11, 2011
at 05:45 PM

+1 - So, do you think your commitment to paleo living affects your perception of issues like this and your decision making in other areas of life?

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on July 11, 2011
at 05:04 PM

If you're going to get sexy - wrap it no matter what. Sadly, I have many friends who weren't careful and unfortunately exposed to HPV all the way to HIV.

The rising levels of STD, HIV positives have increased yet again, is heartbreaking and boggling. Yes sex feels good, but not so good that you would want to risk yourself, right? Right!?!? There was a comedian, maybe Eddie Murphy, during a standup ages ago who made a joke that one day we were going to get to the point of "you're gonna get it in and BOOOOM! it explodes." Granted over the top, but in essence the "boom" is, unfortunately, happening consistently and seems that this time the explosion is this new strain of gonorrhea.

Aside from my mini-rant, there is evidence of condom use that was depicted in the cave paintings found in Combarelles, France - 100-200 AD as well as the Egyptians using linen sheaths around 1000 BC. Thanks intertubes! So.. Paleo approved me thinks :)

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on July 11, 2011
at 05:40 PM

+1 and thanks for the bit of education re: historical evidence of condom use. :)

Fa9f340eddbad9a544184c688fa4dcdd

(6433)

on July 11, 2011
at 06:23 PM

Apparently the Egyptians used lamb's intestines, whilst Roman prostitutes would create a sort of make-shift cervical cap out of half a hollowed out lemon.

1d952d225819b0229e93160a90bf9bf8

(1600)

on July 12, 2011
at 01:50 AM

Wow..those Roman broads were tough..

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518bce04b12cd77741237e1f61075194

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on May 06, 2012
at 04:01 AM

I had to comment on this because literally last night I opened a condom for a friend and showed her how it looks and how to put it on- we are in our 20's and she has never, ever had sex with them throughout 4 partners in the last 2 years!! I can't believe that people still under utilize condoms. Even in my current long term relationship because I am not on hormonal birth control we always use condoms, even when I chart my cycle. It is a small inconvenience to be able to hit the pillow and know you aren't going to wake up to a surprise (whether that be a baby or an STD).

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on July 11, 2011
at 08:21 PM

STDs are probably paleo, but I'm not into re-enactment.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0003347203921300

Behavioural defences against sexually transmitted diseases in primates

Charles L. Nunnf1 Section of Evolution and Ecology, University of California, Davis Received 17 January 2002; revised 1 March 2002; accepted 18 July 2002. ; Available online 19 July 2003.

Abstract Sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) are known to exist in wild and domesticated animals, but little is know about behavioural defences that animals use to reduce the risk of acquiring STDs....

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on July 11, 2011
at 07:45 PM

If you are one of the MANY people unsatisfied by wrapped up sex, it seems that long-term monogamy is the only option for good old fashioned primal sex. Primal quantity (in terms of partner numbers) or primal quality is the decision you have to make...

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on July 11, 2011
at 08:35 PM

LMAO! Absolutely agreed! ;)

9d43f6873107e17ca4d1a5055aa7a2ad

on July 11, 2011
at 08:12 PM

yeah, this came up on another thread. I'm just not willing to give up because of that risk. You have to find someone you trust, and if you can't at least let them know about your large extensive gun collection.

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on July 11, 2011
at 07:57 PM

+1 - Good one... However, one can then go over to Evolvify and read Andrew's interesting treatise on "cheating" behaviors of males and females in relationships...This is *not* to say that I don't think committed long term *monagamy* isn't possible. It is...but culturally reported numbers are dicey and working in an STD clinic can give one a whole new view... :(

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5bccbf50a074175a5371b135311ebff2

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on July 11, 2011
at 06:51 PM

I work in HIV Care and Prevention... so I am glad to see this is being talked about. +1 to you chap~!

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1d952d225819b0229e93160a90bf9bf8

on July 11, 2011
at 04:57 PM

I had a conversation about condoms with my 63 year old co-worker last night.She can't figure out why married couples use them.Said it wasn't "natural".I reminded her of some very recent relations(we are both Catholics) on both sides of our families that had 10-13 kids a piece, and she kind of smiled sheepishly,then went"Oh yeah". Between avoiding mindless baby making that stresses the environment and your body, and disease, who wouldn't wrap up?

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on July 11, 2011
at 05:43 PM

@animalcule: Yeah, sooooooo, sooooo low... ;)

1d952d225819b0229e93160a90bf9bf8

(1600)

on July 12, 2011
at 01:57 AM

animalcule..yeah,my grandmother used that method.It worked so well that she had 13 kids,and would probably have had more if my grandfather hadn't died young.I got pregnant 2 years ago after being talked into using it.One wrong calculation and you are toast.

26b7615ef542394102785a67a2786867

(7967)

on July 11, 2011
at 05:13 PM

People who know that as long as you don't ejaculate millions of sperm into the vagina during the rather narrow window of each cycle where they could live long enough that fertilization is possible, there is a very low chance of pregnancy. ;)

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on July 11, 2011
at 05:42 PM

@bittykitty: Just love those fleeting "oh yeah" moments of clarity that seem too often to just keep right of flittering past... :( +1 for reminder that us old fogies have sex and condoms aint just ofr "kids!"

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on July 11, 2011
at 06:01 PM

Sheepskin condoms provide a little paleo cred, methinks.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on July 11, 2011
at 07:56 PM

The only option is to genetically modify sheep to have impermeable skin.

65660697ed243c7980725fd014eb00e0

(494)

on July 11, 2011
at 08:33 PM

Genetically modified sheep FTW. Problem solved!

Cbb1134f8e93067d1271c97bb2e15ef6

on July 11, 2011
at 06:54 PM

+1 to Oranges, as unless things have changed very recntly this is my info as well. :(

9aa2a816c61170cc0183a68be0386ba5

(1702)

on July 11, 2011
at 06:44 PM

And do nothing to prevent disease due to their permeability, unfortunately.

Bb2adc4df725b56e99e0652c0feb4640

(254)

on May 06, 2012
at 08:15 AM

Oh, wait. What was the problem again? Are GM sheep paleo?

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on May 06, 2012
at 04:28 AM

No condoms for this Cave man...

I'm more into self-high fives more than girls...you know those things are loaded with koodies...someone look up Koodies and tell me they're Paleo!

Betcha they're filled with nothing but refined sugars and Omega 6's. Truth.

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