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Why organic will be the only worldly option left

Answered on August 19, 2014
Created October 15, 2010 at 12:45 AM

Greetings, i'm relatively new to Paleohacks however, I feel it's my duty to share this with all of you. I recently viewed a documentary that spoke of the world on a large scale scope and how we are running out of reserves, of everything (Actually a bit scary). I think it is appropriate for this forum being that all of us are trying to consume more organic and push for local grown produce.

Cheers,

watch it please...http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/50078/Collapse__part_1_/

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on October 15, 2010
at 07:27 PM

Don't be silly, SnowDog. We live on a finite planet, not some abstract world where natural resources are infinitely abundant. Market advocates don't do themselves any favors by getting lost in abstract models that necessarily don't reflect all of reality. The map is the not the territory.

965ee3d84e3398b95b26e3aa0879a834

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on October 15, 2010
at 07:22 PM

@Jay: Your first sentence is essentially meaningless. There are many different ways of growing crops that can be deemed organic, many of which outproduce "conventional" ag on a per-acre basis. Not all organic is the same. MDA's entry hardly counts as a "debunking", as Girl Gone Primal states. There are myriad motivations behind folks' interest in buying local. Some of those motivations may be misguided, but others aren't, and most "debunkings" ignore the valid motivations while harping on strawmen. Oh, and shame on Penn & Teller! Libertarians have no business defending agribusiness.

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on October 15, 2010
at 01:10 PM

Unfortunately we WILL run out of those resources... I'm investing in my own seeds and cropping, a buddy of mine own cows and land as well.

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on October 15, 2010
at 11:12 AM

MDA's 'debunk' of the locally-grown label missed the point a bit. The push for local foods is really about finding local farmers and supporting them, growing your own veggies, etc. The idea is that when we can no longer easily run big trucks and so on, we will still be able to feed our community. It's at that point you bump into population and housing issues, since you need quite a bit of land to feed everyone on meat and veg, and we'd need more farmers which would change the education system dynamically. It's an interesting situation to think about and work toward.

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on October 15, 2010
at 03:05 AM

Ooo! I like that: "How does Paleo factor into your post-apocalyptic vision?" I can think of all kinds of ways.

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on October 15, 2010
at 02:34 AM

My bug out bag only has bacon!

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on October 15, 2010
at 01:48 AM

As a loyal subject of the Crown, I've always had my suspicions...

691f120a3e7a1a036845d105d86c99a3

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on October 15, 2010
at 01:47 AM

I am a fan of A Crude Awakening and The Long Emergency.

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on October 15, 2010
at 01:45 AM

the real issue is over population. we can't feed the current population on organic food or grass fed meat. 'tis true. the theory of everything organic must accept starvation and die off of populations in areas that do not support them.

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on October 15, 2010
at 01:29 AM

i think you might have to edit this into a question or else it'll be deleted

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691f120a3e7a1a036845d105d86c99a3

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on October 15, 2010
at 01:43 AM

Ah Peak Oil, one of my faves. Yes, it's true, we are doomed. Oh well, please pass the steak. Not sure PaleoHacks is the forum to be hashing this out.

Perhaps the question could be: How does Paleo factor into your post-apocalyptic vision?

Or, If the SHTF how much jerky should you take in your bug out bag?

Or, What does the TEOTWAWKI mean for Paleo dieters? Will the future be one long IF session?

hehe, man, actually I think these would be funny topics to consider.

0dbd6cbb96871e07d062fea7e37b0a18

(120)

on October 15, 2010
at 02:34 AM

My bug out bag only has bacon!

C0fcb48d7da4f76fac17318efd2cd6b8

(4069)

on October 15, 2010
at 03:05 AM

Ooo! I like that: "How does Paleo factor into your post-apocalyptic vision?" I can think of all kinds of ways.

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on October 15, 2010
at 01:12 AM

And while you're on disclose.tv, make sure to read about how Queen Elizabeth is a Reptoid. Jesus...

Ce0b5fd94b1034e96cf710b6f138c29d

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on October 15, 2010
at 01:48 AM

As a loyal subject of the Crown, I've always had my suspicions...

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on October 15, 2010
at 01:41 AM

The father of organic farming said there is no way to feed the entire planet with organic. Don't believe everything you see friend. It takes double the amount of space to grow organicly, so how could you possibly produce more food. Also, go to Mark's Daily Apple for the story debunking the whole locally grown thing. Not saying don't support local business, just that in some aspects, locally grown doesn't always help to prevent the farce of global warming, oh wait, its cooling, wait... Samm I can't keep up anymore... someone should find a way to tax this. Lmao... just playing. Seriously though, go check out MDA for that story and check out penn and teller bull sh#t for a good explination of the issue of organic.

965ee3d84e3398b95b26e3aa0879a834

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on October 15, 2010
at 07:22 PM

@Jay: Your first sentence is essentially meaningless. There are many different ways of growing crops that can be deemed organic, many of which outproduce "conventional" ag on a per-acre basis. Not all organic is the same. MDA's entry hardly counts as a "debunking", as Girl Gone Primal states. There are myriad motivations behind folks' interest in buying local. Some of those motivations may be misguided, but others aren't, and most "debunkings" ignore the valid motivations while harping on strawmen. Oh, and shame on Penn & Teller! Libertarians have no business defending agribusiness.

691f120a3e7a1a036845d105d86c99a3

(3641)

on October 15, 2010
at 01:45 AM

the real issue is over population. we can't feed the current population on organic food or grass fed meat. 'tis true. the theory of everything organic must accept starvation and die off of populations in areas that do not support them.

1f70da0b737e9c6e7679a248f4228a01

on October 15, 2010
at 11:12 AM

MDA's 'debunk' of the locally-grown label missed the point a bit. The push for local foods is really about finding local farmers and supporting them, growing your own veggies, etc. The idea is that when we can no longer easily run big trucks and so on, we will still be able to feed our community. It's at that point you bump into population and housing issues, since you need quite a bit of land to feed everyone on meat and veg, and we'd need more farmers which would change the education system dynamically. It's an interesting situation to think about and work toward.

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on October 15, 2010
at 09:50 AM

With a capitalist market economy, you can never run out of resources, as the price of any resource will simply rise to reflect its scarcity and cost of production - unless the resource is unowned, such as fish or wildlife, in which case scarcity is removed from the equation. Fortunately, most resources are owned.

965ee3d84e3398b95b26e3aa0879a834

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on October 15, 2010
at 07:27 PM

Don't be silly, SnowDog. We live on a finite planet, not some abstract world where natural resources are infinitely abundant. Market advocates don't do themselves any favors by getting lost in abstract models that necessarily don't reflect all of reality. The map is the not the territory.

Ac9425a387b78cb37a01972fe848bddb

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on October 15, 2010
at 01:10 PM

Unfortunately we WILL run out of those resources... I'm investing in my own seeds and cropping, a buddy of mine own cows and land as well.

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Ac9425a387b78cb37a01972fe848bddb

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on October 15, 2010
at 01:43 AM

Have you seen the video?

691f120a3e7a1a036845d105d86c99a3

(3641)

on October 15, 2010
at 01:47 AM

I am a fan of A Crude Awakening and The Long Emergency.

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