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The Dirty Dozen includes strawberries, blueberries and POTATOES!!

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Strawberries are supposed to be one of the worst. I wash all my strawberries very well (and ALWAYS individually). Yes it takes longer, but I take the time because strawberries are much more pourous than other fruits since their is really no 'skin' of any kind. Then again, organic strawberries are usually pretty easy to find. Trader Joes always has them during strawberry season. They are just more expensive.

What about potatoes? I eat a lot of tubers, and I don't really find organic sweet potatoes and regular potatoes very easy to come by, so most of my consumption is non-organic.

Are you all eating organic potatoes or are you just washing the potatoes really well? Do you think eating a high volume of non organic tubers could catch up to us?

The Dirty Dozen and the Clean 15- CNN

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on August 19, 2011
at 07:09 PM

m.m.m .

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on August 16, 2011
at 01:23 AM

I buy organic pesticide free tubers when I can. Sometimes they're hard to come by, Trader Joe's is nice in a pinch. I scrub the hell out of them and eat the skins on both as I like the texture, unless I'm making traditional mashies. Smashed the skins stay on. Crossing the street where I live means taking my life into my hands on a daily basis. I'm going to enjoy my 'tatoes :) Now strawberries, actually any soft berry, I always buy organic and pesticide free. Those babies are too delicate to scrub-a-dub.

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Terrence I appreciate the input but you're yelling at us like we're a bunch of media-manipulated morons. Buying organic is a valid choice. Most of us know the system isn't perfect but I like supporting a system that is at least TRYING to do better. The days of saying "organic" is just a big hoax are gone my friend. Local, organic is a smart choice. Perfect? No. Better than the other stuff? I think so.

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-1 for excessive hostility.

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lol. +1 xjhues.

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at 08:59 PM

A lot of small farmers won't list themselves as organic in the US because to do so now requires expensive USDA certification. To find out, just ask them what methods and materials they use to control pests and diseases on their crops. You'll find that a number of them raise organically but can't legally use that term due to lack of certification.

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on August 15, 2011
at 08:53 PM

I'm not sure. ;)

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on August 15, 2011
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xjhues - you are the one to whom "Absolute certainty is the privilege of uneducated men and fanatics". Very true. And yet here you are seemingly possessing a lot of it". You do process a LOT of it don't you, xjhues

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Grenadine - Oh I'd bet that most if not all organically grown produce is still sprayed with organically approved stuff. And yes, I ALWAYS peel the potatoes. Lately, though, I have been digging the Golden Yukon potatoes and the skin on those is more palatable. I still always 'clean em up' (taking out the spots and 'eyes' and such), but yes generally speaking I always peel both potatoes and sweet potatoes and just eat the starchy flesh inside.

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on August 15, 2011
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Terrence, there are no guarantees in life besides leaving it. Just read one of the quotes on the site you linked to - "Absolute certainty is the privilege of uneducated men and fanatics". Very true. And yet here you are seemingly possessing a lot of it. Odd.

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on August 15, 2011
at 08:19 PM

I'm with Shari.. ok, i'm not *quite* as staunch, but i do make an effort to avoid the worst offenders - particularly strawberries... i bet even the organic ones are sprayed with an 'organic' fungicide.. but that's pure conjecture (and possibly even BS). @Jack, i hope you're peeling your potatoes!

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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terrence. you have some good points. We know that organic producers are allowed (and do) use some 'organically approved' chemicals. If your desire is to expose this or help educate some people here on what you know about this stuff, let's have it man. Help us out. If you are passionate about this stuff, then great! But keep in mind that these are good peeps you are talking to and I didn't really see anyone comin at you with much fire in these here comments. Just wanted to throw that out there for ya. Thanks for bringing this side of the equation here. It elevates the value of the discussion.

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on August 15, 2011
at 08:11 PM

You seem pretty convinced, T. Whatever works for you

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Name ONE "organic" producer that "promises no/less" pesticides - ONE, just ONE. Are you even remotely aware of the number of PESTICIDES and HERBICIDES that are called 'organic". Do you you know what kind of soil destroying "fertilizer" that many "organic" producers use?

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at 07:43 PM

Because a promise of no/less pesticides is better than a guarantee of some/more.

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"if you put a gun to my head." now THAT'S conviction folks.

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How is it "WISE" to pay extra for something when you have NO IDEA what pesticides and herbicides were used on it? Buying from a local farmer may make sense; but it does not guarantee no pesticides or herbicides were used.

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While I'm fully aware of what you're saying, and people like Salatin have even written that for years that doesn't change the fact that it's wise to pay for organic for certain products like potatoes and strawberries.

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Conventionally grown strawberries are little chemical-filled sponges. You can not wash that crap off of them either. It's all the way through the fruit. I wouldn't eat a conventional strawberry if you put a gun to my head. Same with broccoli and apples. Oh and potatoes. Yes I live and die by the dirty dozen list.

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on August 15, 2011
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I will come kill your spiders! It's one of my jobs at our house.

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on August 15, 2011
at 05:51 PM

haha - i know the first time a spider crawled out of my lettuce my 2 year old learned a new word from mommy! And he laughed and laughed at my shreiking and jumping around like a lunatic - but I'm getting used to the creepie crawlies!

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Melissa - yah mine too. but they are bright orange, and to me taste and look more like yams. I really like the sweet potatoes at my local farmers market. They are light yellow in color.

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on August 15, 2011
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hmmm... that's interesting. walmart/target have organic tubers, but not my local Henry's farmers market? No wonder I don't see them around much. I hardly ever go to Walmart and our conventional grocery store shopping has dropped to almost zero.

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on August 15, 2011
at 05:42 PM

hmmm... that's interesting. walmart/target have organic tubers, but not my local Henry's farmer's market? No wonder I don't see them around much. I hardly ever go to Walmart and our conventional grocery store shopping has dropped to almost zero.

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reluctantly upvoting. i like your message, but the whole spiders thing made me really think twice.

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reluctantly upvoting. i like your message, but the whole spiders thing made me raelly think twice.

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on August 15, 2011
at 05:38 PM

My Trader Joes has bags of organic sweet potatoes.

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on August 15, 2011
at 05:34 PM

Potatoes are supposed to absorb a tremendous amount of pesticides. I can't afford to be 100% organic, but potatoes are one of the things I insist on. I'm in Alabama and I can find white potatoes at Wal-Mart and Target both, organic, for a very reasonable price. There is also a healthfood store here that stocks organic sweet potatoes, should I desire some of those.

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on August 15, 2011
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i don't know if you have a garden - but potatoes are super easy to grow! (just a thought)

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at 05:26 PM

Those lists suck...glad for the info, but just another thing to think about. I love our modern world!

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on August 15, 2011
at 05:30 PM

This is a large reason why we buy organic, and as locally sourced as possible. I really wasn't as conscious of it as I am now with a little one. Sourcing the best produce is so important. We have a local organic produce delivery once a week, and opening the box is so wonderful every time. It smells like fresh earth and usually comes with spiders and earwigs! It's a little on the pricey side; however, every dollar is a vote cast - so i would rather spend my money supporting local grass-roots organizations and local farmers (plus $40/week for organic produce delivered to your door is not too bad to feed a family of 3)

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on August 15, 2011
at 06:09 PM

I will come kill your spiders! It's one of my jobs at our house.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on August 15, 2011
at 05:39 PM

reluctantly upvoting. i like your message, but the whole spiders thing made me raelly think twice.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on August 15, 2011
at 05:39 PM

reluctantly upvoting. i like your message, but the whole spiders thing made me really think twice.

Medium avatar

(12379)

on August 15, 2011
at 05:51 PM

haha - i know the first time a spider crawled out of my lettuce my 2 year old learned a new word from mommy! And he laughed and laughed at my shreiking and jumping around like a lunatic - but I'm getting used to the creepie crawlies!

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on August 15, 2011
at 05:39 PM

Sweet potatoes are part of the "clean 15" meaning they have low pesticide residue. According to some studies I've read most of the pesticides are in the skin so you can avoid a bunch by not eating those.

Washing with water and/or other solutions as well as the cooking process (blanching and frying) helped to eliminate most of the pesticide residues from the potato tubers.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0278691500001770

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on August 15, 2011
at 05:34 PM

Sweet potatoes are on the "Clean 15" list, which is precisely why I make them my staple tuber. Conventional sweet potatoes are cheaper than conventional white potatoes around here, and organic white potatoes are super pricey. Sweet potato ftw!

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on August 15, 2011
at 05:31 PM

Strangely enough, all my local grocery stores that aren't "speciality" (trader joes, whole foods) sell organic potatoes for the same price per pound as conventional. Specialty and health stores tend to mark them up. Also, my farm delivery service actually sells organic local potatoes for much less than any groceries.

Even if there isn't an enormous difference pesticide or taste wise, I choose the organic every time. If something I want is unaffordable as organic, I just don't buy it. There are plenty of alternatives. If nothing else, wild harvest sells organic frozen fruit/veg that is often priced the same and if not, just a few ?? more per pound. For instance, organic fresh strawberries can go for $5/lb, but frozen they're $3, which is only .25?? more than conventional fresh. Raspberries are almost impossible to find organic and fresh, and when you can they can be $6 for a half pint. But a half pound frozen organic is $3, which cheaper than fresh conventional.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on August 15, 2011
at 05:42 PM

hmmm... that's interesting. walmart/target have organic tubers, but not my local Henry's farmers market? No wonder I don't see them around much. I hardly ever go to Walmart and our conventional grocery store shopping has dropped to almost zero.

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on August 15, 2011
at 08:59 PM

A lot of small farmers won't list themselves as organic in the US because to do so now requires expensive USDA certification. To find out, just ask them what methods and materials they use to control pests and diseases on their crops. You'll find that a number of them raise organically but can't legally use that term due to lack of certification.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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on August 15, 2011
at 05:42 PM

hmmm... that's interesting. walmart/target have organic tubers, but not my local Henry's farmer's market? No wonder I don't see them around much. I hardly ever go to Walmart and our conventional grocery store shopping has dropped to almost zero.

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on August 16, 2011
at 12:50 AM

I don't eat that much that I don't grow myself, but I can tell you that they are all difficult to grow and store for more than a short time without some sort of help. I'd go organic for these, but only if I knew who was doing the growing, or if I knew the certifying body and could look them up.

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on August 15, 2011
at 07:45 PM

I churn through a ridiculous volume of sweet potatoes and always buy the organic variety (1.79 a pound and worth every penny.). I bought 13.*lbs yesterday. My store doesn't even sell conventional ones, just about 5 varieties of organic. I still peel them just in case.

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on August 15, 2011
at 07:23 PM

I grow my own with 4 sq ft many people can grow up to 100 lbs ( you can see it here http://tipnut.com/grow-potatoes/ ). If I didn't grow them then I would be buying them from the store and washing them. I don't by organic, for cost reasons and also because of my suspicions. If anything I'd just buy local.

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on August 15, 2011
at 06:18 PM

The absolute NONSENSE that the EWG pushes is a a farce.

Check out the post below to see the REAL STORY - here is what an ORGANIC FARMER says, in part,"Chief among EWG's flaws is the fact that there is no routine field testing of organic crops under current organic certification standards. None. I guarantee you that everyone at EWG is fully aware of this deep flaw, and it draws into question whether the organic food EWG promotes is even really organic in the first place, which in turn undermines their whole argument before it even gets out of the gate. And yet, the media gleefully plays along promoting EWG???s list of alleged ???dirty??? foods.

Here is a link

http://john-ray.blogspot.com/2011/08/organic-fanatics-get-black-eye-great.html#links

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at 06:41 PM

How is it "WISE" to pay extra for something when you have NO IDEA what pesticides and herbicides were used on it? Buying from a local farmer may make sense; but it does not guarantee no pesticides or herbicides were used.

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on August 15, 2011
at 07:43 PM

Because a promise of no/less pesticides is better than a guarantee of some/more.

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on August 15, 2011
at 08:11 PM

You seem pretty convinced, T. Whatever works for you

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-1 for excessive hostility.

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Terrence I appreciate the input but you're yelling at us like we're a bunch of media-manipulated morons. Buying organic is a valid choice. Most of us know the system isn't perfect but I like supporting a system that is at least TRYING to do better. The days of saying "organic" is just a big hoax are gone my friend. Local, organic is a smart choice. Perfect? No. Better than the other stuff? I think so.

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on August 15, 2011
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terrence. you have some good points. We know that organic producers are allowed (and do) use some 'organically approved' chemicals. If your desire is to expose this or help educate some people here on what you know about this stuff, let's have it man. Help us out. If you are passionate about this stuff, then great! But keep in mind that these are good peeps you are talking to and I didn't really see anyone comin at you with much fire in these here comments. Just wanted to throw that out there for ya. Thanks for bringing this side of the equation here. It elevates the value of the discussion.

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at 07:53 PM

Name ONE "organic" producer that "promises no/less" pesticides - ONE, just ONE. Are you even remotely aware of the number of PESTICIDES and HERBICIDES that are called 'organic". Do you you know what kind of soil destroying "fertilizer" that many "organic" producers use?

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on August 15, 2011
at 08:38 PM

xjhues - you are the one to whom "Absolute certainty is the privilege of uneducated men and fanatics". Very true. And yet here you are seemingly possessing a lot of it". You do process a LOT of it don't you, xjhues

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on August 15, 2011
at 08:24 PM

Terrence, there are no guarantees in life besides leaving it. Just read one of the quotes on the site you linked to - "Absolute certainty is the privilege of uneducated men and fanatics". Very true. And yet here you are seemingly possessing a lot of it. Odd.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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lol. +1 xjhues.

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I'm not sure. ;)

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

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on August 15, 2011
at 06:22 PM

While I'm fully aware of what you're saying, and people like Salatin have even written that for years that doesn't change the fact that it's wise to pay for organic for certain products like potatoes and strawberries.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

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m.m.m .

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on August 15, 2011
at 05:54 PM

Ever diligent about broadening its reach, Walmart seems to have id'd the organic crowd as a new market. Will be interesting to watch -- wouldn't be surprised if their entry into this until recently "fringe" business pushes organic foods into the mainstream. I'd think it can't help but improve prices for consumers, and would like to think that it would generate more business for organic farmers.

Up until a week or so ago, I was able to get ilaneer (baby coconuts) at my local Super Walmart -- for about $3 each (vs $5 at another local organic provider). But they haven't had them lately -- wonder if it's a seasonal thing? Hope they didn't stop stocking them.

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on August 15, 2011
at 05:35 PM

I would stick to locally grown or organic only. I think all of those that you listed and then some, are treated with Bud Nip if they are conventional. Apparently this chemical cannot be washed off as it penetrates the entire fruit/vegetable.

http://pmep.cce.cornell.edu/profiles/extoxnet/carbaryl-dicrotophos/chlorpropham-ext.html

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