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Where are Stephen-Aegis and Eva? What makes one take an extended break from Paleohacks?

Answered on September 12, 2014
Created May 07, 2011 at 12:26 AM

Stephen-Aegis and Eva could always be counted on to answer your questions in a timely and thorough manner, but they have not logged in for a couple weeks. Where did they go? Are they together, like some crazy paleo Thelma and Louise?

More generally, what makes a daily paleohacker take a leave of absence? Have you done so?

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on July 01, 2011
at 08:16 PM

ruh-roh! he will be missed.

4ff24fb9a7d48305681487dfb8040a5e

(383)

on July 01, 2011
at 04:47 PM

Stephen's pictures in the Before/After Thread are deleted. I guess he's left us...

93f44e8673d3ea2294cce085ebc96e13

(10502)

on May 09, 2011
at 07:58 AM

Also - would love to know know why "But I no longer point people to this site for information about how and why I eat the way I do."

93f44e8673d3ea2294cce085ebc96e13

(10502)

on May 09, 2011
at 07:56 AM

@Jennie -- easy with the manufactured drama there -- what makes you think that "I fully expect to get kicked off the forum for airing my little perspective,"?

A8d95f3744a7a0885894ee0731c9744c

(3761)

on May 08, 2011
at 04:28 PM

@PersonMan- Do you worry that your kidneys can't take all of you supplementing?

Db4ad76f6f307a6f577e175710049172

(2297)

on May 07, 2011
at 10:46 PM

Kamal- my guess would be that there is a different method of fat storage/processing going on in birds, since geese and ducks also have high omega-6s. But that's just a guess.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 07, 2011
at 12:49 PM

Thanks for the answer Dr.K(avorkian), I will include more K2 but omit the arduous climb for fear of cortisol.

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

(2399)

on May 07, 2011
at 11:24 AM

Laura, how many have been kicked from this site for writing that something on PaleoHacks is discouraging ? Or kicked at all ?

2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

(919)

on May 07, 2011
at 08:31 AM

Crazy or not, PersonMan's questions make compulsive reading

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18452)

on May 07, 2011
at 06:43 AM

OMG maybe Dr. K is PersonMan! and that's how he asks all those crazy questions. lol!

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on May 07, 2011
at 04:32 AM

And why you gotta be hatin' on Kronkie?

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 07, 2011
at 04:02 AM

@Laura: Then she's not insane. I'll take your instinct on it. It's never failed you before, right?

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on May 07, 2011
at 03:42 AM

How about a Jose Canseco then--40 steals and 40 homers. (40 upvotes and 40 downvotes)

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 07, 2011
at 03:13 AM

She doesn't sound insane to me

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 07, 2011
at 03:12 AM

@Kamal: That's why we need to pick a minimum number of each to define statistically significant. Ever watch baseball? "Best steal percentage for a player with at least 40!" Etc.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on May 07, 2011
at 03:03 AM

(you can't be the ratio champ as long as there's someone with one downvote and no upvotes)

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 07, 2011
at 02:55 AM

Like a break from heroine. Great times.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 07, 2011
at 02:54 AM

What a bizarre answer. Nobody's gonna kick you off, but some will downvote you for being insane. Seriously though, what pissed you off so much? This place seems like a good resource, what happened that changed that?

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 07, 2011
at 02:53 AM

Take that, Jack Kronk. My downvote to upvote ratio just deteriorated a bit. My championship ratio is in its death throes.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 07, 2011
at 02:51 AM

Epic answer. Upvoted.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on May 07, 2011
at 02:31 AM

Bristlebeard-- that's about what I thought. But there's something missing. Feed a cow corn and it still has low omega-6. Feed a chicken corn, and it has super high omega-6. Why?

Db4ad76f6f307a6f577e175710049172

(2297)

on May 07, 2011
at 02:19 AM

Kamal, kind of jumping on your question, but poultry do tend to search out seeds in the ground, and eat those, giving even pastured birds a higher omega-6 content than other pastured animals. That's the first thing that jumps to mind anyway.

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on May 07, 2011
at 02:03 AM

What causes softmtissue calcification? Easy. Nutrient depletion of K2 Second reason is calcinosis which is exceedingly rare but seen with high levels of ros. Person man.......keep beating to your own drum. Sometimes being different is refreshing.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on May 07, 2011
at 01:46 AM

Oh and I've really come around to using ANSWERS for answers and COMMENTS for comments:) thanks all btw:)

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

(2944)

on May 07, 2011
at 01:42 AM

I just lol'ed .

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

(5838)

on May 07, 2011
at 01:35 AM

I agree with all those points... And laughed out loud at the analogy.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on May 07, 2011
at 01:35 AM

...and your questions as well. I didn't consider Nora Gedgaudus until you asked about her views.

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

(5838)

on May 07, 2011
at 01:33 AM

Agreed. I basically modeled my IF training off his input. Many thanks, Stephen. I've also bookmarked his blog.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on May 07, 2011
at 01:33 AM

I always love your answers, Ben! They don't even really apply to anything I am doing, but they are always so nice and clear.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on May 07, 2011
at 01:31 AM

You are way nicer and more patient than I am, Todd.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on May 07, 2011
at 01:29 AM

I've got the inverse issue right now. There are 4-5 very specific questions I've been wanting to ask. But the more specific the question is, the less likely people are to answer it. And sometimes there's a glut of catchy questions, and technical stuff gets lost in the there. Plus, you don't want to ask a bunch of questions in a row. Like one question I have is "Why does poultry have so much omega-6?" But would anyone actually know, or would I just be peeing against the wind? (wrong analogy)

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

(5838)

on May 07, 2011
at 01:27 AM

I have always given this guy the benefit of the doubt.. until now.

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

(5838)

on May 07, 2011
at 01:25 AM

I don't think it's right to list the names, but there are a select few on this site who's vast knowledge, insight, forethought, scientific background, and willingness to help others, far surpass what I can can ever hope to offer. Stephen and Eva are on that list, as are you, Kamar (which is why I know you had good intentions with the post). I consider the ability to sign on and learn from them absolutely priceless.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on May 07, 2011
at 01:17 AM

I totally agree, Todd. Sometimes there just doesn't seem to be anything I can contribute to. I won't throw in an answer just to answer.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on May 07, 2011
at 01:12 AM

Aww thanks! My daughter's softball season has started so my evenings aren't as free. Add on to that, my work has gotten more busy, I just end up with less PH time!

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on May 07, 2011
at 01:05 AM

Nevermind, it won't let me :(

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on May 07, 2011
at 01:05 AM

Actually, I can just delete it!

6426d61a13689f8f651164b10f121d64

(11488)

on May 07, 2011
at 01:02 AM

@Jennie, you don't get "kicked off" for having a different perspective. Patrik is deeply interested in improving the site. Please consider emailing him with your specific concerns and suggestions. Thanks,

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on May 07, 2011
at 12:58 AM

Moderators-- if this is inappropriate, please do delete or close. I was just curious about this kind of stuff.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on May 07, 2011
at 12:57 AM

Hi Jennie-- at the risk of probing too much, what kind of stuff on here really grinds your gears?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 07, 2011
at 12:53 AM

Only those relevant to my scope of experience/Knowledge(capital 'K' knowledge a that). Riddle me this: "what causes calcification of the soft tissues and how can one avoid this state"?

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on May 07, 2011
at 12:52 AM

Totally agreed- I wasn't sure this was at all wise to post. Right after posting, I almost deleted it.

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

(5838)

on May 07, 2011
at 12:50 AM

There's also that other important thing that gets in the way.. Life. It's not obligatory. I miss their insight as much as anyone, but a direct call out likely isn't the best way to handle (even though I'm fairly certain that wasn't your intent)

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18452)

on May 07, 2011
at 12:49 AM

you've got to be joking. this is how you view all answers personman. i, mean seriously. of all people to write this... how many questions have you genuinely answered adequately?

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6426d61a13689f8f651164b10f121d64

(11488)

on May 07, 2011
at 01:13 AM

When I go on vacation, I also take a vacation from my computer. A break from electronic stimulation is a good thing.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 07, 2011
at 02:55 AM

Like a break from heroine. Great times.

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667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on May 07, 2011
at 01:31 AM

I was very active for a few months when I first started on this forum, then took a break. I didn't think I could contribute was all it was. I would get excited to write a good thorough response and then just see someone else's and get dismayed. No biggy.

I started up again about one month ago but I try to only write things I've really thought through and feel are worthy of other's time reading I suppose.

I have gotten a lot out of Aegis' entries. I followed a similar path lifting weights and moving away from a VLC paleo to a more starch-fueled regime.

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

(5838)

on May 07, 2011
at 01:33 AM

Agreed. I basically modeled my IF training off his input. Many thanks, Stephen. I've also bookmarked his blog.

667f6c030b0245d71d8ef50c72b097dc

(15976)

on May 07, 2011
at 01:46 AM

Oh and I've really come around to using ANSWERS for answers and COMMENTS for comments:) thanks all btw:)

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on May 07, 2011
at 01:35 AM

...and your questions as well. I didn't consider Nora Gedgaudus until you asked about her views.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on May 07, 2011
at 01:33 AM

I always love your answers, Ben! They don't even really apply to anything I am doing, but they are always so nice and clear.

2
101b3a5c96d313d22262f65bdff20acf

(539)

on May 07, 2011
at 12:43 AM

I'll admit I'm cooling off, myself. I've seen a lot here over the last few months that's frankly discouraging and have started asking my questions of paleo experts elsewhere.

I've been devoted to this way of eating for about a year and a half now and, even not being a 'newbie,' watching the way some questions are answered by the people in charge makes me cringe. I can't speak for anyone else, of course. And I know I will not be missed when the time comes that I'm only logging on here once a month, I'm no sherpamelissa or Steph-Aeg.

There are a few basic patterns in the way online communities evolve. Some succeed and some don't, and a lot of it has to do with how a given community is governed. What the future of PaleoHacks is, is anyone's guess. But I no longer point people to this site for information about how and why I eat the way I do.

I fully expect to get kicked off the forum for airing my little perspective, so I'll thank everyone now for the time, expertise and anecdote you all provide here. Much of it has been quite valuable.

6426d61a13689f8f651164b10f121d64

(11488)

on May 07, 2011
at 01:02 AM

@Jennie, you don't get "kicked off" for having a different perspective. Patrik is deeply interested in improving the site. Please consider emailing him with your specific concerns and suggestions. Thanks,

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on May 07, 2011
at 12:57 AM

Hi Jennie-- at the risk of probing too much, what kind of stuff on here really grinds your gears?

84666a86108dee8d11cbbc85b6382083

(2399)

on May 07, 2011
at 11:24 AM

Laura, how many have been kicked from this site for writing that something on PaleoHacks is discouraging ? Or kicked at all ?

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 07, 2011
at 04:02 AM

@Laura: Then she's not insane. I'll take your instinct on it. It's never failed you before, right?

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 07, 2011
at 03:13 AM

She doesn't sound insane to me

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 07, 2011
at 02:54 AM

What a bizarre answer. Nobody's gonna kick you off, but some will downvote you for being insane. Seriously though, what pissed you off so much? This place seems like a good resource, what happened that changed that?

93f44e8673d3ea2294cce085ebc96e13

(10502)

on May 09, 2011
at 07:58 AM

Also - would love to know know why "But I no longer point people to this site for information about how and why I eat the way I do."

93f44e8673d3ea2294cce085ebc96e13

(10502)

on May 09, 2011
at 07:56 AM

@Jennie -- easy with the manufactured drama there -- what makes you think that "I fully expect to get kicked off the forum for airing my little perspective,"?

2
50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

(5838)

on May 07, 2011
at 12:43 AM

It seems to me the quality and importance of questions comes in waves. Ideas build off ideas, etc...

Sometimes it's just muddled with questions like "Is x paleo?" you can only answer that so many times.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on May 07, 2011
at 01:17 AM

I totally agree, Todd. Sometimes there just doesn't seem to be anything I can contribute to. I won't throw in an answer just to answer.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on May 07, 2011
at 12:52 AM

Totally agreed- I wasn't sure this was at all wise to post. Right after posting, I almost deleted it.

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

(5838)

on May 07, 2011
at 12:50 AM

There's also that other important thing that gets in the way.. Life. It's not obligatory. I miss their insight as much as anyone, but a direct call out likely isn't the best way to handle (even though I'm fairly certain that wasn't your intent)

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on May 07, 2011
at 01:29 AM

I've got the inverse issue right now. There are 4-5 very specific questions I've been wanting to ask. But the more specific the question is, the less likely people are to answer it. And sometimes there's a glut of catchy questions, and technical stuff gets lost in the there. Plus, you don't want to ask a bunch of questions in a row. Like one question I have is "Why does poultry have so much omega-6?" But would anyone actually know, or would I just be peeing against the wind? (wrong analogy)

Db4ad76f6f307a6f577e175710049172

(2297)

on May 07, 2011
at 02:19 AM

Kamal, kind of jumping on your question, but poultry do tend to search out seeds in the ground, and eat those, giving even pastured birds a higher omega-6 content than other pastured animals. That's the first thing that jumps to mind anyway.

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

(5838)

on May 07, 2011
at 01:35 AM

I agree with all those points... And laughed out loud at the analogy.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on May 07, 2011
at 02:31 AM

Bristlebeard-- that's about what I thought. But there's something missing. Feed a cow corn and it still has low omega-6. Feed a chicken corn, and it has super high omega-6. Why?

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

(5838)

on May 07, 2011
at 01:25 AM

I don't think it's right to list the names, but there are a select few on this site who's vast knowledge, insight, forethought, scientific background, and willingness to help others, far surpass what I can can ever hope to offer. Stephen and Eva are on that list, as are you, Kamar (which is why I know you had good intentions with the post). I consider the ability to sign on and learn from them absolutely priceless.

Db4ad76f6f307a6f577e175710049172

(2297)

on May 07, 2011
at 10:46 PM

Kamal- my guess would be that there is a different method of fat storage/processing going on in birds, since geese and ducks also have high omega-6s. But that's just a guess.

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34a367e60db77270bd7096dc04270fdc

(4171)

on May 07, 2011
at 12:37 AM

I miss them too - I was missing Sherpamelissa lately but she finally responded to someones question the other day =)

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on May 07, 2011
at 01:12 AM

Aww thanks! My daughter's softball season has started so my evenings aren't as free. Add on to that, my work has gotten more busy, I just end up with less PH time!

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77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 07, 2011
at 12:38 AM

Answer: inadequacy of responses to questions asked.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 07, 2011
at 02:51 AM

Epic answer. Upvoted.

2f54dbe892ec89b12d1db686568e885a

(919)

on May 07, 2011
at 08:31 AM

Crazy or not, PersonMan's questions make compulsive reading

50637dfd7dc7a7e811d82283f4f5fd10

(5838)

on May 07, 2011
at 01:27 AM

I have always given this guy the benefit of the doubt.. until now.

65430e39d7e9e9322718d016fe668051

(2944)

on May 07, 2011
at 01:42 AM

I just lol'ed .

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 07, 2011
at 12:53 AM

Only those relevant to my scope of experience/Knowledge(capital 'K' knowledge a that). Riddle me this: "what causes calcification of the soft tissues and how can one avoid this state"?

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 07, 2011
at 02:53 AM

Take that, Jack Kronk. My downvote to upvote ratio just deteriorated a bit. My championship ratio is in its death throes.

7e746be2f0e550a8cd7df881322ae705

(18701)

on May 07, 2011
at 01:31 AM

You are way nicer and more patient than I am, Todd.

77877f762c40637911396daa19b53094

(78467)

on May 07, 2011
at 12:49 PM

Thanks for the answer Dr.K(avorkian), I will include more K2 but omit the arduous climb for fear of cortisol.

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on May 07, 2011
at 04:32 AM

And why you gotta be hatin' on Kronkie?

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18452)

on May 07, 2011
at 06:43 AM

OMG maybe Dr. K is PersonMan! and that's how he asks all those crazy questions. lol!

Ed71ab1c75c6a9bd217a599db0a3e117

(25477)

on May 07, 2011
at 02:03 AM

What causes softmtissue calcification? Easy. Nutrient depletion of K2 Second reason is calcinosis which is exceedingly rare but seen with high levels of ros. Person man.......keep beating to your own drum. Sometimes being different is refreshing.

6f2c00fcbf48c69f0ea212239b3e1178

on May 07, 2011
at 03:12 AM

@Kamal: That's why we need to pick a minimum number of each to define statistically significant. Ever watch baseball? "Best steal percentage for a player with at least 40!" Etc.

Af1d286f0fd5c3949f59b4edf4d892f5

(18452)

on May 07, 2011
at 12:49 AM

you've got to be joking. this is how you view all answers personman. i, mean seriously. of all people to write this... how many questions have you genuinely answered adequately?

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on May 07, 2011
at 03:42 AM

How about a Jose Canseco then--40 steals and 40 homers. (40 upvotes and 40 downvotes)

21fd060d0796fdb8a4a990441e08eae7

(24543)

on May 07, 2011
at 03:03 AM

(you can't be the ratio champ as long as there's someone with one downvote and no upvotes)

A8d95f3744a7a0885894ee0731c9744c

(3761)

on May 08, 2011
at 04:28 PM

@PersonMan- Do you worry that your kidneys can't take all of you supplementing?

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